Here are our 5 best countries for Americans to escape the decline:

[Ponce]

After what was done to me in Argentina I think that I would try Uruguay......even if they do have a military junta as government.
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Here are our 5 best countries for Americans to escape the decline:

1.Uruguay, whose official motto is "libertad o muerte (liberty or death)," is located in South America, southwest of Brazil and east of Argentina. Uruguay borders on the Atlantic Ocean and has developed infrastructure, a stable democracy, European flair, and rich culture that draws many expats to her borders. Uruguay is a constitutional democracy with one of the most developed economies in South America, possessing a high GDP per capita. Between the years 2007 and 2009, Uruguay was the only country in the Americas which didn't technically experience a recession, and now has the lowest Income Inequality and highest Quality of Life in Latin America, second only to Canada in all the Americas. Uruguay is rated as the least corrupt country in Latin America with its political and labour conditions being among the freest on the continent. In 2010, Uruguay became the first nation in Latin America to test hemp cultivation, while no drugs are illegal for personal consumption. Located entirely in the temperate zone, Uruguay provides an excellent climate for growing.



Housing costs are much lower than the United States, as well as health care and food. Some consumer products such as cars and electronics can cost more, as well as Internet connection fees. Americans can buy real estate and own businesses, and they have an automatic 90-day visa to explore Uruguay. Americans only need to have a proof-of-income of $500/mth to apply for residency.


2. Costa Rica is a peaceful country in Central America, often referred to as the "Switzerland" of the Latin America due to its stable economy, political stability, and quality health care. Costa Rica, blessed with two beautiful coast lines (Pacific and Caribbean), is roughly the size of West Virginia and home to around 4 million people. The Central Valley's eternal springlike climate is said to be one of the best in the world allowing for a year-round growing season. Costa Rica is consistently voted one of the "Happiest and Greenest" countries in the world with about 95% of its electric production coming from renewable sources. AARP and others have ranked it one of the best foreign retirement locations, as it has all the same modern conveniences found in America and is only a 5-hour flight from New York.

Besides the price of real estate, which is comparable to the U.S., the cost of living is lower -- especially property taxes, health insurance, and fresh food. Americans have an automatic 90-day visa which can be renewed by leaving the country for 3 days before re-entering. Non-residents can own real estate and businesses, but are not allowed to work without a work visa. Residency requirements vary based on category. Current information is available here.


3. New Zealand might be the most isolated fully developed nation in the world. It shares no borders, sits relatively distant from any other nation, has no real national enemies, has a safe democracy and a diverse landscape with many remote places to hide away within. Located in the South Pacific with beautiful beaches, sunshine, friendly people, and stunning vistas, it has two main islands and several smaller islands like Chatham Island and the Cook Islands. New Zealand ranks highly in international comparisons on many topics, including education, economic freedom, and lack of corruption. New Zealand now ranks among the freest economies in the world with one of the least corrupt governments ranked #1 on the Global Peace Index in 2010 -- second year in a row. Its cities also consistently rank among the world's most liveable. The most commonly spoken language is English.

The cost of living is somewhat comparable to the United States. Americans have an automatic 90-day visa to enter and explore the country. Non-residents can apply for a 2-year work visa only in fields determined by immigration.


4. Iceland has a free market economy that has historically been one of the wealthiest and most developed nations in the world. In 2007, it was ranked as the most developed country in the world by the United Nations' Human Development Index, and the fourth most productive country per capita economy. In 2008, Iceland's economy was devastated by the international bankers calling their foreign debt due. However, because of pride and solidarity among the people, strong social services, a nearly self-reliant energy sector, and a manageable population (320,000), it is poised to recover once the foreign debt issues are settled. Iceland has passed legislation to establish the country as a "free speech haven" to protect journalists and their sources. This law is a huge deal as most Western countries seem to be heading toward regulating the Internet, and it has the potential to jump-start the Icelandic economy in terms of offering censorship-free servers and other services to journalists and internet businesses. Iceland is also a peaceful country with no standing army.

Iceland will be working it's way back from financial collapse, while the U.S. still appears headed for the cliff. Because of the shattered financial system, there are good opportunities to live on less income in Iceland now than during its peak, while all the signs seem poised for recovery. Residency has traditionally been difficult to get in Iceland and is usually done through vital employment needs, but the new push as a political safe-haven may open up the process a bit. Currently, American passports have an automatic 90-day visa to visit Iceland.


5. Argentina has bounced back from its financial collapse in 2002 when it defaulted on international debt causing massive inflation and high unemployment. The people said "Nunca Mas," the government has since paid off its debt to the IMF, and Argentina now has one of the world's highest qualities of life. Argentina is the second largest country in South America and the 8th largest in the world. It is a fully-developed country with strong agricultural production as the second-largest exporter of corn in the world -- not to mention good wines and beef too. The capital of Buenos Aires is known as the “Paris of Latin America” because it feels like a European city with rich architecture and numerous sidewalk cafes. If the arts and ambiance with a low cost of living are your thing, then Argentina may be the best bang for your buck.

The cost of living is reportedly much lower than the United States for housing, food, travel, and health care. Americans have an automatic passport visa of 90 days to Argentina as well. Pensioners will need to prove a $700 per month income to qualify for residency, while others can apply if they prove a steady income of $900 per month.

http://www.activistpost.com/2010/10/5-best-countries-to-escape-americas.html

[Filthy Keynes]

What about Canada? Rich in natural resources (water, arable land, gold and silver mines, rare earth mines, oil, shale) and "nobody" lives there - it's almost completely empty.

[cedarchopper]

What about Canada? Rich in natural resources (water, arable land, gold and silver mines, rare earth mines, oil, shale) and "nobody" lives there - it's almost completely empty.


Sounds like a paradise, how's the climate? :]

[milehi]

What about Canada? Rich in natural resources (water, arable land, gold and silver mines, rare earth mines, oil, shale) and "nobody" lives there - it's almost completely empty.


Sounds like a paradise, how's the climate? :]


The problem with Canada is the neighbors next door.

[SHTF2010]

forget about Canada, it's too cold up here

http://canuckspeak.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/canada_large.jpg

we have to fight off polar bears up here with our hockey sticks

made the final payment on my igloo ;D

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ahuvxRitU74/SToacpqIfII/AAAAAAAALhg/A_743YcBWCU/s400/canada_igloo.jpg

[General of Darkness]

I'm not sure if there's going to be a place where you can get away from anything. Maybe middle of the desert or something.

I think Crazychicken posted this link.

http://www.nvlandman.com/tour/individual/individual.htm

[Sparky]

Hasta la vista, baby.

[palani]

There are at least 50 countries to escape to that have not been discussed.

The move is virtual. Place a notice in the legal section of the paper and start acting as if you lived where you should have lived from birth.

I see no reason to import your decline to any other country. That is one reason I don't like to see Californians move in here.

[V10Silver]

What about Canada? Rich in natural resources (water, arable land, gold and silver mines, rare earth mines, oil, shale) and "nobody" lives there - it's almost completely empty.


Sounds like a paradise, how's the climate? :]


Unbelievably Friggin cold....They have too seasons winter and almost winter. Summer lasts for 2 days in mid July...other than that it's a baren frozen wasteland....That's why they all come here in their speedos for holiday. Christ they swim in Maine in Novembrrrrrr!

[ximmy]

I'm staying put... :)

[willie pete]

I'm thinking, and I could be wrong, it's happened before :D, that if it gets that bad here in the US, there will really be no where else to run...and remember any gov't anywhere can change quickly, just like here

[ShortJohnSilver]

What about Canada? Rich in natural resources (water, arable land, gold and silver mines, rare earth mines, oil, shale) and "nobody" lives there - it's almost completely empty.


Arrogant attitudes, cold winters, up to 15% sales tax. No guns allowed (pretty much) either.

[steyr_m]

What about Canada? Rich in natural resources (water, arable land, gold and silver mines, rare earth mines, oil, shale) and "nobody" lives there - it's almost completely empty.


It's OK here. It's fairly stable. The area where I live, the unemployment is around 5%. It's gets f-ing cold here. -40 F is not unusual in the winter; but it isn't that cold here all winter. We are becoming awash with brown/black/yellow peoples thanks to our communist government.

[milehi]

That is one reason I don't like to see Californians move in here.


Those aren't real Californians, but carpetbaggers returning home. ;)

[Apparition]

Anyone considering emigrating to Canada better have some valued skills/talent because every potential immigrant needs to pass a points-based test that favors the highly-skilled over everyone else.

Considering the financial costs and hassles of immigration, I'll just remain here and possibly move to the sparsely-populated areas of the Midwest or Northwest when the SHTF.

[Still Barbaro]

I am a natural born (white boy) US citizen who has been living outside of the US for 10 years.

East Asia is great: cost of living is low, health care is the best, year-round fruit, beautiful women, less regulations, and balmy weather year round.

More freedom here, that is for sure.

Any questions? PM me.

[Filthy Keynes]

Parts of Canada aren't so cold.

http://www.callum-macdonald.com/wordpress/wp-content/photos/Canada_Toronto_Beer_in_the_Snow.jpg

http://gregpike.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/free-beer-during-all-maple-leaf-playoff-games.jpg

[Light]

Anyone considering emigrating to Canada better have some valued skills/talent because every potential immigrant needs to pass a points-based test that favors the highly-skilled over everyone else.

Considering the financial costs and hassles of immigration, I'll just remain here and possibly move to the sparsely-populated areas of the Midwest or Northwest when the SHTF.



I'm pretty good with a harmonica. I also know some good card tricks so I have that going for me..

[JDRock]

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I'm pretty good with a harmonica. [/quote]


good...i need somone in my band that can play one well.

[PatColo]

I am a natural born (white boy) US citizen who has been living outside of the US for 10 years.

East Asia is great: cost of living is low, health care is the best, year-round fruit, beautiful women, less regulations, and balmy weather year round.

More freedom here, that is for sure.

Any questions? PM me.


what do you think about this article? from a guest writer @ Makow's site,

Thailand - Retirement Paradise For White Men (http://www.henrymakow.com/thailand_is_paradise_found_for.html)

[Gaillo]

Unless I can take my guns with, there really aren't any countries you can "escape" to. Life as an unarmed slave is not worth living. That makes Canada the only real option in the western hemisphere that I'm aware of... and I'd have to give up the really GOOD guns to head there. No thanks.

[steyr_m]

Unless I can take my guns with, there really aren't any countries you can "escape" to. Life as an unarmed slave is not worth living. That makes Canada the only real option in the western hemisphere that I'm aware of... and I'd have to give up the really GOOD guns to head there. No thanks.


You may not. There are prohibited guns here (no AK's or H&K G3's, and more) but some you can buy with the greatest of ease. I've been putting off buying this 8" barreled shotgun, but you need no more license than to buy any other shotgun.

https://www.dlaskarms.com//product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=15&osCsid=2c91306a0d327579833dc3b8257d09a1

It isn't harder to buy this than a pistol.

http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/default.asp?Pg=8&do=3&mcid=1&scid=12&pid=789

[Filthy Keynes]

Unless I can take my guns with, there really aren't any countries you can "escape" to. Life as an unarmed slave is not worth living. That makes Canada the only real option in the western hemisphere that I'm aware of... and I'd have to give up the really GOOD guns to head there. No thanks.


You may not. There are prohibited guns here (no AK's or H&K G3's, and more) but some you can buy with the greatest of ease. I've been putting off buying this 8" barreled shotgun, but you need no more license than to buy any other shotgun.

https://www.dlaskarms.com//product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=15&osCsid=2c91306a0d327579833dc3b8257d09a1

It isn't harder to buy this than a pistol.

http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/default.asp?Pg=8&do=3&mcid=1&scid=12&pid=789


My local gun shop here in Canada sells AK's (American made and Chinese made).

[Gaillo]

Unless I can take my guns with, there really aren't any countries you can "escape" to. Life as an unarmed slave is not worth living. That makes Canada the only real option in the western hemisphere that I'm aware of... and I'd have to give up the really GOOD guns to head there. No thanks.


You may not. There are prohibited guns here (no AK's or H&K G3's, and more) but some you can buy with the greatest of ease. I've been putting off buying this 8" barreled shotgun, but you need no more license than to buy any other shotgun.

https://www.dlaskarms.com//product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=15&osCsid=2c91306a0d327579833dc3b8257d09a1

It isn't harder to buy this than a pistol.

http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/default.asp?Pg=8&do=3&mcid=1&scid=12&pid=789




My local gun shop here in Canada sells AK's (American made and Chinese made).


I'm not too worried about my semi-automatic rifles, I'm more of a bolt-gun guy anyway. I'm more concerned about my short-barrelled auto-pistols and .50BMG rifle - from my understanding both are pretty much a no-no in Canada... no matter what. I have quite a few semi-compact P228 Sig Sauer handguns, and I'd rather be buried with those before I'd be willing to give them up! ;D

[osoab]

I hear Paraguay is nice. The Bushes seem to think so.

[steyr_m]

Unless I can take my guns with, there really aren't any countries you can "escape" to. Life as an unarmed slave is not worth living. That makes Canada the only real option in the western hemisphere that I'm aware of... and I'd have to give up the really GOOD guns to head there. No thanks.


You may not. There are prohibited guns here (no AK's or H&K G3's, and more) but some you can buy with the greatest of ease. I've been putting off buying this 8" barreled shotgun, but you need no more license than to buy any other shotgun.

https://www.dlaskarms.com//product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=15&osCsid=2c91306a0d327579833dc3b8257d09a1

It isn't harder to buy this than a pistol.

http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/default.asp?Pg=8&do=3&mcid=1&scid=12&pid=789


My local gun shop here in Canada sells AK's (American made and Chinese made).


I don't want to call BS. If he's doing so, it's being done illegally. You should know they are prohib. weapons. Are you sure it isn't a CZ 858? They look very similar.

[Filthy Keynes]

Unless I can take my guns with, there really aren't any countries you can "escape" to. Life as an unarmed slave is not worth living. That makes Canada the only real option in the western hemisphere that I'm aware of... and I'd have to give up the really GOOD guns to head there. No thanks.


You may not. There are prohibited guns here (no AK's or H&K G3's, and more) but some you can buy with the greatest of ease. I've been putting off buying this 8" barreled shotgun, but you need no more license than to buy any other shotgun.

https://www.dlaskarms.com//product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=15&osCsid=2c91306a0d327579833dc3b8257d09a1

It isn't harder to buy this than a pistol.

http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/default.asp?Pg=8&do=3&mcid=1&scid=12&pid=789


My local gun shop here in Canada sells AK's (American made and Chinese made).


I don't want to call BS. If he's doing so, it's being done illegally. You should know they are prohib. weapons. Are you sure it isn't a CZ 858? They look very similar.


Oops my bad, I was thinking of AR15. Sorry.

[learn2swim]

I would pick Iceland. South America is Rockefeller land and due for a war. Hugo Chavez will make it happen.

[palani]

I've been putting off buying this 8" barreled shotgun, but you need no more license than to buy any other shotgun.

Modification of a shotgun barrel to a length considerably more than this got Randy Weavers wife and one kid killed.

[Fortyone]

The only ones on that list id even consider would by NZ and Iceland. and I am reserved on Iceland. All those Latin countries are a breath away from total revolution or invasion . Yes those latin countries are stable, NOW, but what happens if the US goes tits up? The Central American ones were all part of a Mexican Empire less than 200 yrs ago.The cartels in Mexico,with no market for their dope in a defunct US could take their massive wealth and weaponry and carve little fiefdoms out of all of those without impunity.Ill stay here and take the risks amongst my own.

[steyr_m]

I've been putting off buying this 8" barreled shotgun, but you need no more license than to buy any other shotgun.

Modification of a shotgun barrel to a length considerably more than this got Randy Weavers wife and one kid killed.


Please remember the topic. I'm talking about Canadian law.
Definition of a Restricted Firearm

According to the Criminal Code, a restricted firearm is:

a rifle or shotgun that can fire when its overall length is reduced by folding, telescoping or some other means to less than 660 mm (26 inches);

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/rp-eng.htm

[steyr_m]

To get on topic, I've thought of moving to Argentina or Uruguay before I even joined GIM. Uruguay would be my first choice.

Uruguayans share a Spanish linguistic and cultural background with its neighbour country Argentina. Also, like Argentina, most Uruguayans are descended from colonial-era settlers and immigrants from Europe with almost 88% of the population being of European descent.

[old steel]

Unless I can take my guns with, there really aren't any countries you can "escape" to. Life as an unarmed slave is not worth living. That makes Canada the only real option in the western hemisphere that I'm aware of... and I'd have to give up the really GOOD guns to head there. No thanks.


You may not. There are prohibited guns here (no AK's or H&K G3's, and more) but some you can buy with the greatest of ease. I've been putting off buying this 8" barreled shotgun, but you need no more license than to buy any other shotgun.

https://www.dlaskarms.com//product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=15&osCsid=2c91306a0d327579833dc3b8257d09a1

It isn't harder to buy this than a pistol.

http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/default.asp?Pg=8&do=3&mcid=1&scid=12&pid=789


Yes but all restricted and prohibited firearms up in Canuckistan are range queens meaning you need to shoot them at a gun range can't even sight them in on your own land.

That is pathetic beyond belief plus they need to be double locked when being transferred and you need to have your transport papers on you and registered owner certificates for the firearms being transferred or else.

I know a guy who was stopped and harassed by police for over 3 hours because he had two handguns locked up in his trunk and he was complying with the law.

A lot of cops don't even know the gun laws up here.

Crazy paranoid anti gun place this Canada ... cold too.

Did i say it's damn cold up here?

[steyr_m]

Unless I can take my guns with, there really aren't any countries you can "escape" to. Life as an unarmed slave is not worth living. That makes Canada the only real option in the western hemisphere that I'm aware of... and I'd have to give up the really GOOD guns to head there. No thanks.


You may not. There are prohibited guns here (no AK's or H&K G3's, and more) but some you can buy with the greatest of ease. I've been putting off buying this 8" barreled shotgun, but you need no more license than to buy any other shotgun.

https://www.dlaskarms.com//product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=15&osCsid=2c91306a0d327579833dc3b8257d09a1

It isn't harder to buy this than a pistol.

http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/default.asp?Pg=8&do=3&mcid=1&scid=12&pid=789


Yes but all restricted and prohibited firearms up in Canuckistan are range queens meaning you need to shoot them at a gun range can't even sight them in on your own land.

That is pathetic beyond belief plus they need to be double locked when being transferred and you need to have your transport papers on you and registered owner certificates for the firearms being transferred or else.

I know a guy who was stopped and harassed by police for over 3 hours because he had two handguns locked up in his trunk and he was complying with the law.

A lot of cops don't even know the gun laws up here.

Crazy paranoid anti gun place this Canada ... cold too.

Did i say it's damn cold up here?



I shoot mine on my own land. I don't dis-agree that this place is "crazy paranoid anti gun". My response was that you didn't need a special license (Class 3) to buy some weapons here. A restricted one will suffice, and it isn't hard to get.

[Cebu_4_2]

I am a natural born (white boy) US citizen who has been living outside of the US for 10 years.

East Asia is great: cost of living is low, health care is the best, year-round fruit, beautiful women, less regulations, and balmy weather year round.

More freedom here, that is for sure.

Any questions? PM me.


Almost made the move to the Phil but waited too long and lost may ass in the markets, then the value of my house plummeted and now no one owns the title so I can't sell... lol

At least I found my wife there and we plan to go back one day when I can figure out a way.

She says you can have guns but are restricted to inside your house, so much for walking outside at night. I'll need to look into it don't think I can import my existing arsenal but would need to purchase there. Have to also consider the long nose tax, would somehow have to set that up through someone to avoid it.

"Americano with a gun!" would not be a good day.

[steyr_m]

A short barreled shotgun and most hand guns are restricted firearm here.


I have a restricted license. Handguns must have a barrel length of 106 mm or they are prohibited.

Definition of a Restricted Firearm

According to the Criminal Code, a restricted firearm is:

a rifle or shotgun that can fire when its overall length is reduced by folding, telescoping or some other means to less than 660 mm (26 inches)

Definition of a Prohibited Firearm

The Criminal Code states that a prohibited firearm is:

a rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make it less than 660 mm (26 inches) in overall length;

a rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make the barrel length less than 457 mm (18 inches) where the overall firearm length is 660 mm (26 inches) or more;

It does not mention barrel length. If you buy it with a short barrel, you are not altering it.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/rp-eng.htm

[ShortJohnSilver]

Arrogant attitudes, cold winters, up to 15% sales tax. No guns allowed (pretty much) either.


Cold winters... Yes !
up to 15% sales tax... Yes !
but...
Arrogant attitudes ??????

Would you care to express your opinion in more details ?
Please ShortJohnSilver, tell us how you really feel about Canadians...Let it out of your system.


I grew up in Canada, left when I was 22 ; I was born in the USA and moved down , unfortunately just in time for Clinton to get elected... and things in the USA have gone downhill since, I will admit. Yet I was able to buy a gun without any paperwork, for cash - something that would be impossible in Canada.

However Canadians, at least the ones living in Ontario, never miss an opportunity to express their felt superiority over Americans.

I know several Filipinos who have moved to Canada straight from the Phils - it is not 2 years until they are identifying with Canada and amazingly, display the same arrogance towards America.

This doesn't stop them from going to Buffalo on shopping trips and posting on Facebook about eating at The Cheesecake Factory (in NY state - there aren't any of these restaurants in Canada).

Perhaps it is just the Ontarians ?

[midnight rambler]

I shoot mine on my own land. I don't dis-agree that this place is "crazy paranoid anti gun". My response was that you didn't need a special license (Class 3) to buy some weapons here. A restricted one will suffice, and it isn't hard to get.


If you don't hold it (without a license) then you don't own it.

[hoarder]

I don't understand why people think they can escape world government by moving to a foreign country. Running away really solves nothing. The only way out is THROUGH them.

I can envision gullible gringos in envious third world countries WTSHTF, most of those people hate Americans.

[steyr_m]

However Canadians, at least the ones living in Ontario, never miss an opportunity to express their felt superiority over Americans.

Perhaps it is just the Ontarians ?


The people in Toronto seldom miss an opportunity to express their felt superiority over the rest of Canada... Remember, TO is the centre of the universe...

[mick silver]

ponce i am not leaving this country .. it MY home and i will do what it take to stay that way ... i have never been one to run from something

[Book]

After what was done to me in Argentina I think that I would try Uruguay...



http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/49000/Carpetbagger--49378.jpg

:oo-->

But...but...but you keep reminding us that you are a "Cuban".

[Apparition]

I can envision gullible gringos in envious third world countries WTSHTF, most of those people hate Americans.


Indeed.

This is another SIGNIFICANT factor that many potential emigrants fail to consider.

Just because some years have passed doesn't imply that global anti-Americanism has diminished especially when one realizes that the foreign occupations, arrogant and interventionist policies, and CIA-backed coups are still occurring as we speak.

It's pretty sad that many non-US citizens tend to generalize us so negatively based on the actions of our out-of-touch and power-hungry bureaucrats but we need to accept that this collectivist mentality still persists.

[Book]

It's pretty sad that many non-US citizens tend to generalize us so negatively based on the actions of our out-of-touch and power-hungry bureaucrats but we need to accept that this collectivist mentality still persists.



Maybe we should establish our own Anti-Defamation League.

[steyr_m]

If you don't hold it (without a license) then you don't own it.


I know what you're saying; but with my job, I have to jump through all the gun registry hoops.

[mrnhtbr2232]

The title of the thread says it all - people are looking to bail instead of resist. That says a lot more than just picking a place to escape to.

[hoarder]

It's pretty sad that many non-US citizens tend to generalize us so negatively based on the actions of our out-of-touch and power-hungry bureaucrats but we need to accept that this collectivist mentality still persists.
The global monolithic mass media in foreign countries blames many of the world's woes on America so the real power players won't get blamed. The media tells the masses that "The Americans did such and such" and "The Germans did so and so", when in fact the vast majority of the people in those countries were opposed to the actions of their rulers. So the third-worlders hold us as a hate object.
To make things worse for Americans abroad, White Americans think "racism" is a thing of the past and they don't realize the people of third world countries don't think that way.

[steyr_m]

The title of the thread says it all - people are looking to bail instead of resist. That says a lot more than just picking a place to escape to.


I know what you're trying to say. I lived in the US at one time...

At the moment, it seems like a never-ending uphill climb. The key positions are taken, the tentacles are constricting, and the power is ever more centralizing. All this is happening when the sheeple are worried more about the iPhone 4G, what's happening with Dancing with the Stars, who won the game between Minn. and Dallas, and Kanye West's teeth.

They have no clue as to what's going on, and worse, they don't care. If I lived there, I'd want to pack up and go too....and when TSHTF and then things stabilize, then I'd come back.

[Filthy Keynes]

there aren't any of these restaurants in Canada).

Perhaps it is just the Ontarians ?


There's Ruth's Chris steakhouse in Toronto. Best damned steaks anywhere!

[Sparky]

U.S.

[skid]

there aren't any of these restaurants in Canada).

Perhaps it is just the Ontarians ?


There's Ruth's Chris steakhouse in Toronto. Best damned steaks anywhere!




That's a US chain...

[skid]

Unless I can take my guns with, there really aren't any countries you can "escape" to. Life as an unarmed slave is not worth living. That makes Canada the only real option in the western hemisphere that I'm aware of... and I'd have to give up the really GOOD guns to head there. No thanks.


You may not. There are prohibited guns here (no AK's or H&K G3's, and more) but some you can buy with the greatest of ease. I've been putting off buying this 8" barreled shotgun, but you need no more license than to buy any other shotgun.

https://www.dlaskarms.com//product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=15&osCsid=2c91306a0d327579833dc3b8257d09a1

It isn't harder to buy this than a pistol.

http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/default.asp?Pg=8&do=3&mcid=1&scid=12&pid=789




My local gun shop here in Canada sells AK's (American made and Chinese made).


I'm not too worried about my semi-automatic rifles, I'm more of a bolt-gun guy anyway. I'm more concerned about my short-barrelled auto-pistols and .50BMG rifle - from my understanding both are pretty much a no-no in Canada... no matter what. I have quite a few semi-compact P228 Sig Sauer handguns, and I'd rather be buried with those before I'd be willing to give them up! ;D


.50 cals are allowed up here. I know a guy that has one. You can even buy them in belt fed semi auto versions if you have deep pockets.

[ximmy]

The fact of the matter is... it's sissy to leave, ... dangerous to fight... now who are the real men...

[steyr_m]

The fact of the matter is... it's sissy to leave, ... dangerous to fight... now who are the real men...


I know what you're saying, but if you're only one out of a thousand or five thousand who'll not want to be keyboard commandos , it's almost a guaranteed lose. You'll just get painted as "a potential McVeigh" and the sheeple will instantly disassociate themselves.