Socialized, universal health care is a human right

[midnight rambler]

Access to herbs and supplements, not a human right. Big Pharma and Agribusiness have us right where they want us.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/10/26/drug-companies-win-big-and-eliminate-medical-herbs-from-europe.aspx

[gunDriller]

Access to herbs and supplements, not a human right. Big Pharma and Agribusiness have us right where they want us.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/10/26/drug-companies-win-big-and-eliminate-medical-herbs-from-europe.aspx


i wonder how this would apply to my diet.

i eat 8-12 fruits & vegetables a day, 2 sources of protein (e.g. chicken & bacon) @ lunch. vitamins + 3-6-9 oils + extra Vitamin D (cholecalciferol).

how would this European law apply to me if i lived in Europe ?

when i think of medicinal herbs, i think of, for example -
* medical marijuana
* valerian root

i'm just curious how this law would affect me. "vitamins + 3-6-9 oils + extra Vitamin D (cholecalciferol)" - are those considered supplements ?


Question #2 - the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness". i sure would like to see some lawyer with the guts to argue that eating healthy is a fundamental right that neither the US gov. nor the UN have the right to interfere with ... even with their bullsh!t "good intentions", e.g. the "Food Safety Act" (that Obama-puke signed & Monsanto lobbied for.)

[Ponce]

One way to solve the Dr problem..........full tuition payment which includes lodging and food........paid by the government...........once you finish you would then serve the government as a Dr for five years with a small sixpence in payment.........or work for the government one day a week for life........no excuses.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

Seems no one "has a right" to the work of others. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that way. Marxists like to say that people have a right to housing, food, jobs, health care, and education, which are all things that cost others money, so I doubt they are actual rights. How can one have a right to the work of others? Today, of course, money and labor are not connected in a strict sense, but they still are in a general sense.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

But this is were it gets complicated. If the government runs the populace off the land, and thus takes away from them the ability to produce wealth, isn't that government then obliged to support them? So if globalization ruins a manufacturing base, thus removing many, many jobs from the reach of a group of workers, then does that government become obliged to send them welfare checks? It is complicated, and I realize I'm not sure of the answer.

[Gaillo]

Seems no one "has a right" to the work of others. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that way. Marxists like to say that people have a right to housing, food, jobs, health care, and education, which are all things that cost others money, so I doubt they are actual rights. How can one have a right to the work of others? Today, of course, money and labor are not connected in a strict sense, but they still are in a general sense.


Yes! Anytime someone speaks of "rights", the immediate question that needs to be asked is "At who's expense?" If the "right" being discussed requires the loss of pretty much ANYTHING by other individuals, then it's not a right... it's actually coercive theft and/or fraud.

[iOWNme]

I ask this simple question to anyone i hear saying they have a right to Health Care....


" If Health Care is a 'Right', where does that Right come from? "

[palani]

Humans are "man-like" and the maxim goes "that which is similar is not the same".

[Hatha Sunahara]

The real problem is that the government is an agent of private control freaks--big pharma. big agriculture, big business, and makes laws that benefit these interests at the expense of the people. We have a lot of crazy laws in America because of this. Marijuana is illegal. Raw milk is illegal. It's easy to make something illegal. You just bribe the politicians. It's a lot harder to make those things legal again.

The effect, over time, of this idiocy is that people start to lose respect for the law, and for the idiots who administer it. A sure barometer for how legitimate your laws are is how many people you have in jail, and how many are executed each year. By this standard, you can surmise that America is off the charts in the illegitimacy of its laws. One we all need to be concerned about is asset forfeiture laws. But, it's taboo to talk about these things publicly.

We should all feel good however because what we are seeing globally are excesses that are not sustainable. After the system crashes, these excesses will disappear.

Hatha

[gunDriller]

the "health care" system in the US is based on an artificial shortage of doctors.

in Mexico, a doctor's visit is $35. there is a good medical school right in Tijuana.

to be sure you get a good doctor, you can go to the clinic "where the rich people go", and pay more.

American health care is all about $$ and special privileges for the chosen.

plus there's an ethnic aspect.


in college, i knew one guy who was not Jewish, but was smart. he had a hell of a time getting into med school. i'm not sure if he made it, he was my girlfriend's roommate's boyfriend.

and i had a Jewish room-mate my freshman year who was not too bright. he got into med school and is now a children's anaesthesiologist in Seattle. making big $.


why not prosecute the AMA under the Sherman anti-trust act ? the AMA is a cartel and they do not work in the public interest.

we don't need Obama-care, we just need free markets and honesty/ transparency.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

I ask this simple question to anyone i hear saying they have a right to Health Care....


" If Health Care is a 'Right', where does that Right come from? "

We all believe in certain individual rights, I think, such as the right to liberty. Where does that right come from? God given, nature given, created by man?

[Twisted Titan]

But this is were it gets complicated. If the government runs the populace off the land, and thus takes away from them the ability to produce wealth, isn't that government then obliged to support them? So if globalization ruins a manufacturing base, thus removing many, many jobs from the reach of a group of workers, then does that government become obliged to send them welfare checks? It is complicated, and I realize I'm not sure of the answer.



Of course they are........ that is what Gubbermint wants..........To fully support the citizen.

So at a time and hour of THEIR choosing they will pull the rug from underneath the happless fool and be the absolute lord and master of all.

But it all starts with popular meme You have a "right" to this or that.


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[cthulu]

I went to the philippines and got a few cavities filled. It cost my 100 bux. In the US, it would have cost me several hundred, if not 1k. I got glasses in thailand for about 100 dollars too. In the US, it would have cost me a couple hundred--with insurance. My wife got glasses with her insurance, and it cost her about 300 bux. The next year, since she worked part time, she paid out of pocket and lo and behold, it cost her less to pay out of pocket than with insurance, and the glasses she bought were some fancy armani xo glasses. I visited a doctor for a routine check it. It cost me 60 bux, with xray and reading. Next year, I had insurance, it cost me 80 bux. This system is crazy.

[iOWNme]

I ask this simple question to anyone i hear saying they have a right to Health Care....


" If Health Care is a 'Right', where does that Right come from? "

We all believe in certain individual rights, I think, such as the right to liberty. Where does that right come from? God given, nature given, created by man?






So are you saying that the Creator gave you a 'Right' to Health Care? I think not.

You have the Right to Life, Liberty, and Property.......And the Right to PROTECT those precious things. You must PROTECT your Life by taking care of your own body, not by being irresponsible when it comes to our health, and then beg the masses to labor collectively to make sure we are taken care of.

[Neuro]

I don't agree with any, but it seems like many (not here) argue that socialized universal " health" care is a greater right than food for instance, and in most "wellfare" societies, the recipient of benefits are allowed to pick their food, or Doritos and Coke themselves. While the pick of which health care is only to be detrmined by the state? Clearly if you believe that the state should control healthcare, you should also think that the state should control what you eat too?

[mrnhtbr2232]

Where was this argument 100 years ago? The only reason socialized medicine is branded as a human right today is because big corporations profit from it and use politicians, minorities, Marxist sympathizers, and the poor as their firewall. It is only one of many ways to redistribute wealth and has nothing to do with philanthropy. And healthcare, just like every other program, will be criminalized for anyone that opposes it. For those that believe that healthcare is a human right, I believe having a meteor destroy earth is as well, except that my belief guarantees equality.

[Book]

http://www.immigrationdnatesting.us/images/immigration.jpg

If we were a truly cohesive group we would demand all of "US" have the best health care on Earth. We have been divided and conquered by allowing "US" to not be "US" anymore. There is no "US" or "WE" in America:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCSeSOVCfkk

[madfranks]

As with every other government decree, participating in government mandated health care will ultimately be enforced at the point of a gun.

[gunDriller]

You must PROTECT your Life by taking care of your own body

true - job #1.

[mrnhtbr2232]

As with every other government decree, participating in government mandated health care will ultimately be enforced at the point of a gun.


And when it reaches that point only those that rule out reciprocation as an option will have themselves to blame.