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Twisted Titan
2nd November 2010, 01:59 PM
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/record-low-mortgage-rates-will-be-gone-in-2011-2010-10-26


Record-low mortgage rates will be gone in 2011:


The group predicts rates on the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage will average 4.4% in the fourth quarter of 2010, increasing to a 4.7% average in the first quarter of 2011, and climbing to 5.1% by the end of next year. That’s barring any “blockbuster” announcement from the Federal Reserve next month, said Jay Brinkmann, chief economist of the MBA.





The Fed has said it could take more policy actions to stimulate growth, and Brinkmann said that’s likely to come in the form of an additional purchase of Treasury securities. But the market has already anticipated that, and the move has already been priced into current rates, he added.

Brinkmann said he expects a pickup in purchase originations next year, but 2011 volume for mortgages to buy a home will still only be roughly at its 2009 level. Refinance business, however, is expected to drop next year, as mortgage rates begin their rise from record lows.

At the conference, many mortgage bankers commented that business right now is doing well, due mainly to high refinance volume in the low-mortgage-rate environment. A large concern for them, however, has been what happens when all the refinance business dries up.

“If [interest rates] do bump up a bit, it’s a big concern on the refinance side,” said E. Todd Chamberlain, executive vice president for Regions Financial Corp., speaking on a panel at the convention. Those who have recently refinanced may be in the same homes — with the same loans — for a long time, unwilling to give up their very low rates by moving or refinancing, he said.

Total mortgage volume is expected to be nearly $1 trillion in 2011, down from an anticipated $1.4 trillion this year and nearly $2 trillion in 2009.

The industry is expected to originate an annual $480 billion in purchase mortgages by the end of this year and $626 billion next year; it’s expected to originate $921 billion in refinance mortgages by the end of this year, which will shrink to $370 billion next year.

Home sales
The MBA forecast predicts home sales will rise slightly next year, after dropping in 2010 from 2009 levels.

Sales of existing homes will finish 2010 about 8% lower than last year, but sales should rise 2% next year and 16% in 2012. And sales of new homes will finish 2010 13% lower than 2009, but sales should rise from that low base by 20% next year and 40% in 2012.

“We also see some upward indication on prices” in many markets, Brinkmann said. Nationally, prices are expected to decline 1% next year, but that decline is heavily weighed down by severely troubled housing markets, including those in Florida and parts of California, he said.

See the latest home-price data from Case-Shiller.

Brinkmann said that there has been a large decline in household formation throughout the country, with many adults who would rather live on their own sharing a roof with parents or roommates due to financial reasons. Others might be marking time in crowded apartments, though their families are increasing in size and they’d rather move to a larger space, he said.

Those people might relocate as soon as the economy improves and more jobs are created: “There is tremendous pent-up demand that is going to respond quickly to job growth,” he said.

Offsetting that, however, are mobility trends. Homeowner mobility is down, partly because of diminished equity in homes and now also because of low interest rates — it’s now going to be more difficult for people to move when it means they will be giving up a 4.5% interest rate on their mortgage, he said.

In its forecast, the MBA anticipates the unemployment rate will increase to 9.9% in the first quarter of 2011. The rate should decrease to 9.5% at the end of next year and to 8.7% by the end of 2012.

mick silver
2nd November 2010, 08:02 PM
i just did a refi last week i got 3.89 fixed for 5 years and my place is mine almost then

Ponce
2nd November 2010, 08:26 PM
If you are not working then it won't matter what the interest rate is.......you won't be able to pay for it no matter what.

I have a funny feeling that next they will be working on those who own their home.......I'll burn mine to the ground before they find an excuse to take it over.

FreeEnergy
2nd November 2010, 08:28 PM
I am waiting for 3.5 - 3.4 . Maybe i gamble with this...but on what ground do they claim that:
1) this is the lowest rates and the rates don't go down - according to any trend graph the rates slowly fluctuate lower..and lower...and lower, unlike if it is a speculative low when the rates usually decline sharply and then quickly go back. it is a trend
2) we have 20% unemployment
3) we have over 1 million foreclosures pending
4) a slowest season for real estate, winter, is approaching
5) there are still some bad loans out there that have no wet ink notes that banksters would love to refinance

based on the above I don't see how they predict rates going up. The only reason they do it is to get more people to jump on refinance wagon. If they bring rates up to 5-6%, the already pretty dead real estate market will collapse completely, and will include millions more foreclosures.

Or maybe that's what they want. If they do though, why bring rates to all time low, for what reason?

ShortJohnSilver
2nd November 2010, 08:29 PM
If rates go up, prices will go down even more. While you may say "that doesn't matter" the reality is that it means less total interest going to the banks over the life of the loan.

Twisted Titan
3rd November 2010, 06:04 AM
If you are not working then it won't matter what the interest rate is.......you won't be able to pay for it no matter what.

I have a funny feeling that next they will be working on those who own their home.......I'll burn mine to the ground before they find an excuse to take it over.



That is angle I believe they are working on.

Shit is absolutely unsustainable without Gubbermint aid at some level.


I see some type of work camps coming.



T

FreeEnergy
16th November 2010, 09:13 AM
Bringing topic back up.

Interest rates shot up 1/4 of a percent today. What's up?

mick silver
16th November 2010, 10:02 AM
ben told us rates will stay low

Sparky
16th November 2010, 12:22 PM
If rates go up, prices will go down even more. While you may say "that doesn't matter" the reality is that it means less total interest going to the banks over the life of the loan.


The more important reality is that this will increase the toxicity of the existing loans that they already have on their books, since it will increase the debt-to-value ratio. This is more significant than how it will affect their cash flow on new loans.

Sparky
16th November 2010, 12:25 PM
Bringing topic back up.

Interest rates shot up 1/4 of a percent today. What's up?


That's the bond market telling Bernanke to go fu@K himself.

Rates may ultimately see another wave down if there is a big stock market pullback, but to me this is a signal that a blow-up in the bond market some time down the road is inevitable. This rate increase is a warning shot across the bow.

FreeEnergy
17th November 2010, 12:05 PM
So sparky, you think this is as low as rates will go?

I don't see any possible positive signs for them to go up, but what do I know, this has no bearing in real goods, nothing but colored paper games.


It is amazing how they have clearly a clueless academic in Bernanke to "run" the Fed.

mick silver
17th November 2010, 12:10 PM
they have to go up ... people with money will not loan it out if they dont make something . that what half wrong with the markets right now . nobody willing to buy loans

Sparky
17th November 2010, 02:09 PM
So sparky, you think this is as low as rates will go?

I don't see any possible positive signs for them to go up, but what do I know, this has no bearing in real goods, nothing but colored paper games.


It is amazing how they have clearly a clueless academic in Bernanke to "run" the Fed.


I could see them testing the lows again if the stock market takes another big plunge and there's a rush to "safety".

Positive signs for them to go up? They will inevitably go up when:
1) The Fed has to unwind its increasingly enormous position in bonds
2) Creditors start to get uneasy about the weakened dollars that the will be getting for interest on their loans
3) Price inflation and/or weakening dollar requires an reversal in the rate targeted by the Fed

FreeEnergy
18th November 2010, 02:54 PM
...refi or not to refi...that is da quesion...

I'm sure they've got plenty of ways they can prop the "market" like this forever (notice DOW opens $100 more than closes previous day):

mick silver
18th November 2010, 03:32 PM
i got my papers today on my refi .... fanny mae owns my house now ... this just pisses my off