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mick silver
8th November 2010, 09:56 AM
http://redactednews.blogspot.com/2010/11/when-is-leak-hacking-hacking-leak-and.html ... “Another spy disaster like Pollard, shoved under the rug too long due to pressure from the powerful Israeli lobby.”
On April 21, 2009, the Department of Defense announced the theft of 1.5 terabytes of data on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the platform meant give the United States and her allies air superiority for the next 40 years. In a flash, all that was gone, $300 billion dollars of funding down the drain, every system, defense, offense, stealth, everything needed to build one or shoot it down, all gone. Day one, China was accused but it wasn’t China, it wasn’t Iran, it wasn’t Pakistan. The theft left a clear signature, one identical to the data Wikileaks has been receiving, sources inside the Pentagon repeating the actions of Israeli-Soviet spy, Jonathan Pollard. As vital as the F-35 is to America’s defense, Pollard’s triumph on behalf of Soviet Russia and Israel dwarfs the current espionage coup.
Since the 2009 announcement, there has been nothing but silence.
When the theft was announced, Pentagon “damage control” went into action immediately branding the disaster as “unimportant” while scrambling to look for any possible way to “put the toothpaste back into the tube.” What Secretary Gates came up with was a simple denial and to pretend it never happened. With the continual efforts by the Israeli government to secure the release of master spy Jonathan Pollard, a “witch hunt” for another Israeli spy would endanger America’s hopes of winning a settlement between Israel and the Palestinians.
There was no real question, this was another Israeli operation, their “signature” was all over it.
“AN UNPRECEDENTED DISASTER”
What did America lose? 15 years of research and development? That doesn’t come close. Key components of the F-35, from stealth materials, flight and weapons systems, to tens of thousands of man-hours of systems programming are now “out there,” available to any potential rival, military or commercial. At best, it could be considered a $300 billion dollar bank robbery, by American standards, nothing new in today’s financial world.

Another spy disaster like Pollard, shoved under the rug too long due to pressure from the powerful Israeli lobby.
At worst, nations whose defense capabilities were decades behind the US can now be at par, as the F-35 was estimated to be “air superiority capable” until at least 2040. Data stolen could make production of a comparable aircraft possible in as little as 36 months, particularly with several projects in the offing, Russia/India and in China, each of which are capable of quickly adapting upgraded systems.
The JSF (Joint Strike Fighter) in its three variants, conventional takeoff/landing (CTOL), carrier variant (CV) and short takeoff/vertical landing (STOLV), are scheduled for production through 2026 with estimates of service life until 2060 and beyond. Export versions of the F-35, “detuned” are available for American allies, NATO and Israel. The F-35 delivers more “punch” per dollar than any current “legacy” fighter by a margin of as much as 8 to 1. The economics of “stealing” the F-35 and auctioning it off, system at a time, is tremendous.
Any nation with a substantial defense industry will have immediately gained a decade or more in, not just stealth fighter/bomber design, but hundreds of areas of science applicable to UAV drones, missiles, including nuclear ICBMs (intercontinental ballistic missiles), and smaller systems, not only air defense but helicopters and armour as well. Every advanced technology America has is in the F-35 somewhere.
AIR DEFENSE VULNERABILITY
In March, 1999, on the 4th day of American involvement in the Bosnian war, Serbian forces shot down an F-117 stealth bomber using a Soviet SA 300 air defense system with radar modifications based on data secured through espionage.

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Data on the resonant frequencies of the materials and surfaces of the F-117 made it possible for radar to, not only detect a plane previously believed “invisible’ at a range of 13 kilometers, but to successfully destroy one, an embarrassment the US feels the sting of even today.
The stolen data on the F-35 covers more than simple materials but all jamming and other defensive systems and performance characteristics. Air defense systems can now be tuned specifically to find only the F-35 if so required.
THE TRAIL OF THE SNAIL
Wikileaks are called “leaks.” Julian Assange darts from country to country, hotel to TV studio, always ahead of the security forces hunting him down, a veritable “Nordic” bin Laden. Newspapers are peppered with photographs of a boyish face in the uniform of the American army, identified as the potential “leaker.” The 46,000 intelligence/counter-intelligence officers of the Department of Defense, supplemented by the FBI and 16 other agencies and 40 other departments, more “bodies” than currently serve in Afghanistan, we are told, are unable to rein in this “dangerous duo.”
Documents by the hundreds of thousands are leaked, upon qualified examination, showing careful screening with many documents edited and more selected out of series with careful gaps and omissions. A single non-commissioned officer, watched 24 hours a day by tens of thousands of security officers and threatened with life in prison, is an unlikely suspect. However, there has been no mention of any others nor has there been a mention of an investigation of any kind. In fact, there seems to me no attempt whatsoever to curtail these current leaks.
What does this tell us?
WHEN IS A LEAK “HACKING” AND WHEN IS HACKING A “LEAK” AND WHAT IS “ESPIONAGE?”
It was never announced when, exactly, the theft of the F-35 data occurred. The press release was April 21. 2009, long enough after President Bush left office for the blame to evade his administration, one infamous for “leaks” such as the “Scooter” Libby (Liebowitz) “outing” of CIA nuclear proliferation specialist Valerie Plame.
Israeli citizen, Jonathan Pollard, convicted for spying on America and sentenced to life in prison in 1987, is, we believe but can never be sure of, the most successful spy in world history. As with the F-35, the “cover story” is always carefully deceptive as to not panic the public or cause a lack of confidence, perhaps rightly so, in America’s ability to secure secrets. Pollard had two primary targets, our nuclear response capability and NATO’s defense capabilities against the Soviet Union. Both were destroyed by Pollard whose materials were passed through Israel directly to the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War.
Every weapon design, yes, our stealth aircraft capabilities and our NATO battle plans were among the truckload of papers Pollard sold to Israel, a country where he is considered a national hero. Pollard may have been our last “paper” spy. Everything today is electronic and spies who steal American secrets can be compared to unruly chatroom members or video game enthusiasts.
Despite the “cute” attempt by the Department of Defense and Secretary Gates to refer to espionage as “hacking,” there is nothing either innocent or harmless about it. As all data is formatted for electronic media and secured by firewalls and passwords, all espionage is “hacking.”
The difference between “leaking” and “spying” is semantics. The goal is the same, destruction of the defense capabilities of the United States, except “spying” pays better.

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gunDriller
8th November 2010, 11:50 AM
http://redactednews.blogspot.com/2010/11/when-is-leak-hacking-hacking-leak-and.html ... “Another spy disaster like Pollard, shoved under the rug too long due to pressure from the powerful Israeli lobby.”
On April 21, 2009, the Department of Defense announced the theft of 1.5 terabytes of data on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the platform meant give the United States and her allies air superiority for the next 40 years. In a flash, all that was gone, $300 billion dollars of funding down the drain, every system, defense, offense, stealth, everything needed to build one or shoot it down, all gone. Day one, China was accused but it wasn’t China, it wasn’t Iran, it wasn’t Pakistan. The theft left a clear signature, one identical to the data Wikileaks has been receiving, sources inside the Pentagon repeating the actions of Israeli-Soviet spy, Jonathan Pollard. As vital as the F-35 is to America’s defense, Pollard’s triumph on behalf of Soviet Russia and Israel dwarfs the current espionage coup.
Since the 2009 announcement, there has been nothing but silence.

the article isn't clear. yes, Pollard is one example of spying - but i'm not sure what Pollard has to do with the F35 theft.

as far as "who did it", Israel has the most access, as JSF contractors such as prime contractor Lockheed and subprimes such as Harris Corp & Northrop Grumman are FILLED with both Christian & Jewish Zionists.

my experience at contractors such as Northrop Grumman & Litton is that being a Zionist is basically a pre-requisite for any management position. you must cheerfully support the war-toy-boyz.

the theft of 1.5 Terabytes doesn't make the JSF useless - it's not a $300 billion loss, as the article states.

it's an indeterminate loss - but i guess that doesn't make a good headline.

how useful the information is depends on who has access to it and their level of technical understanding and their ability to manufacture parts from the drawings.


interesting, though. kind of raises more questions that it answers.

JDRock
8th November 2010, 12:44 PM
....theyre getting bolder and bolder...nearing endgame here......no accountability, no retribution, just people selling t-shirts and watching tv........have another pot pie and be sure to VOTE. :sarc:

keehah
26th November 2011, 12:13 PM
"We will purchase the F-35. We're on record. We're part of the crusade. We're not backing down." -Canadian Associate Defence Minister Julian Fantino in Texas, November 2011

gunDriller
27th November 2011, 09:00 AM
i think the Design for the F-22 & F-35 are decent.

but the management is bunch of fuck-ups.

the radio developer (Northrop Grumman/ TRW) sold the radio directly to Lockheed on the F-22.


then on the F-35 i had a chance to work on the R&D team that developed the prototypes on which the production radio was based. that was actually fun - tight schedules, good team, impossible demands.

interestingly, Harris corp. had final responsibility for the radio on F-35. Northrop Grumman (NGC) became a sub-contractor, instead of being the lead. i'm not sure if that was a demotion. it sounds like it - but NGC still got mega-bucks for their work on the F-35.

Glass
28th November 2011, 04:29 AM
I would laugh at this but Australia's in for this aircraft as well. No one is surprised though are they? You can't have one team with an edge over the other teams now. That wouldn't do. You need a long drawn out war so you need evenly matched adversaries.

gunDriller
28th November 2011, 06:02 AM
I would laugh at this but Australia's in for this aircraft as well. No one is surprised though are they? You can't have one team with an edge over the other teams now. That wouldn't do. You need a long drawn out war so you need evenly matched adversaries.

i raised this question in a large lunch-time meeting led by one of the more senior program managers.

he said, "we don't give away the family jewels, we keep those for ourselves."

when the US sells an F-35 to England or Australia, they might only ship some of the functionality. the higher level electronic warfare & countermeasures/counter-countermeasures functions are highly classified ... who gets what is known only to ... people with certain clearances & the Israeli spies ?

General of Darkness
28th November 2011, 06:40 AM
I remember this from almost4 or 5 years ago.

A sensitive report prepared in the US by Rand Corporation says Australias biggest defence purchase, the joint strike fighter will be inferior to Russian and Chinese rivals.

Watch this scathing report.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITbGBmaqQkk

midnight rambler
28th November 2011, 07:21 AM
The single engine F-35 has a top speed of only Mach 1.6 which means a 25 y.o. Su-27 or MiG-29 can overtake it and kill it.

Reminds me of the POS M-16/M4.

learn2swim
28th November 2011, 09:36 AM
I'm sure we have aircraft that's well beyond the F-35. But, I think it's true that they like to even things up for maximum destruction in the next big war. Prolong the wars, increases death counts and increases profits. Remember Clinton transferring our military technology to China back in the mid 1990s?

gunDriller
28th November 2011, 09:56 AM
I'm sure we have aircraft that's well beyond the F-35. But, I think it's true that they like to even things up for maximum destruction in the next big war. Prolong the wars, increases death counts and increases profits. Remember Clinton transferring our military technology to China back in the mid 1990s?

F22. the F-35 was to some extent derived from the F22. Lockheed was the prime for the airframe, it was the same company building the avionics.

the F22 was $200 million each. the F35 was supposed to be about $35 million each. i think the cost has crept a lot higher.

i wonder if they changed engine suppliers for the F35 ? maybe the Pentagon-ista's thing 1.5 mach is enough.


i wonder what the speed is for the missiles it fires. in a dogfight, you would want those to catch up with the faster plane of a military adversary.

learn2swim
28th November 2011, 10:53 AM
F22. the F-35 was to some extent derived from the F22. Lockheed was the prime for the airframe, it was the same company building the avionics.

the F22 was $200 million each. the F35 was supposed to be about $35 million each. i think the cost has crept a lot higher.

i wonder if they changed engine suppliers for the F35 ? maybe the Pentagon-ista's thing 1.5 mach is enough.


i wonder what the speed is for the missiles it fires. in a dogfight, you would want those to catch up with the faster plane of a military adversary.

Dogfights in the future will by fought with drone like aircraft, no human pilots needed. So, the aircraft talked about today will be irrelevant within 10 years, if isn't already.

Dogman
28th November 2011, 11:05 AM
Dogfights in the future will by fought with drone like aircraft, no human pilots needed. So, the aircraft talked about today will be irrelevant within 10 years, if isn't already. For bombing, that is a truth!
But real pilots will still have their place, for a long time to come. Nothing beats a Mark: 1 Mod: 0, set of eyes and the brain behind them, in the cockpit. Yet!

Down1
20th April 2024, 03:53 AM
The F-35 fighter jet program will cost taxpayers more than $2 trillion over its lifetime, cementing its place as one of the most expensive weapons programs in U.S. history, according to new estimates from the Government Accountability Office (GAO), an independent government watchdog.

But this is less than ideal on the war-fighting side of the equation. All three versions of the F-35 continue to fall far short of their target “mission capable rates,” a term of art referring to the percentage of time that any given aircraft is actually ready for battle. In 2023, the average F-35A was only in flying shape about 52% of the time — far short of the 90% target set by the Air Force, the GAO reports.

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/f35-cost/

midnight rambler
20th April 2024, 06:03 AM
It's worse than that, only 29% are mission capable -

https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/1780627938829848652

woodman
20th April 2024, 09:50 AM
When that much money is involved, it should be understood that they have gotten exactly what they paid for. Exactly what was intended.