Mysterious missile lights up the sky over the Pacific

[sunshine05]

Mysterious missile lights up the sky over the Pacific
Posted: Nov 09, 2010 2:19 AM EST Updated: Nov 09, 2010 3:22 AM EST
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Pacific Ocean (CBS8)- A mysterious missile launch off the southern California coast was caught on video Monday evening by a KCBS news helicopter.

The spectacular contrail could easily be seen up in Los Angeles, but who launched this missile and why, remain a mystery for now.

The magnificent images were captured from the KCBS chopper around 5pm. The location of the missile was described as west of Los Angeles, north of Catalina Island, and approximately 35 miles out to sea.

A Navy spokesperson tells News 8, this wasn't its missile. He said there was no Navy activity reported in that part of the region.

On Friday, November 5, Vandenberg Air Force Base launched a Delta II rocket, carrying the Thales Alenia Space-Italia COSMO SkyMed satellite, but a sergeant at the base tells News 8, there have been no launches since then.

News 8 showed the video to Robert Ellsworth, former U.S. Ambassador to NATO and a former Deputy Secretary of Defense.

He said it didn't appear to be a Tomahawk missile and said it would be safest to wait for definitive answers to come from the military.

Based on pure speculation, however, Ambassador Ellsworth said, with President Obama in Asia, perhaps this could have been a show of our military muscle.

"It could be a test firing of an intercontinental ballistic missile from a submarine underwater submarine, to demonstrate mainly to Asia, that we can do that," he said, stressing that it was just a theory.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=13468118

[Jazkal]

"It could be a test firing of an intercontinental ballistic missile from a submarine underwater submarine, to demonstrate mainly to Asia, that we can do that," he said, stressing that it was just a theory.

What a load of BS. It has been known for some time that we have that ability. And if we were going to prove it to someone, we would do it in their backyard, not ours.

Now, if you were threatening the US Gov, you would do it off the coast of a big population center (LA), and now they know you have the ability to put a EMP Nuke high enough to knock you back to the stone age.

[midnight rambler]

Now, if you were threatening the US Gov, you would do it off the coast of a big population center (LA), and now they know you have the ability to put a EMP Nuke high enough to knock you back to the stone age.


Who would do such a thing? NK?

[chad]

c h i n a

[jaybone]

I get the uneasy feeling that some Asian country is about to be 'liberated'

[Festina Lente]

Maybe someone finally built that ultimate Estes rocket they had been dreaming about since they were eight. Based on the comments from the Pentagon, that's probably what they think happened. LOL

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40087187/ns/us_news-security/


The Defense Department stressed that it didn't appear to be a military missile and said it wasn't alarmed. The North American Aerospace Defense Command, the joint U.S. -Canadian agency that monitors the skies for possible air attacks, similarly said, "There is no indication of any threat to our nation."

I'm baffled at the lack of concern. A missile is launched from your territory and you have no idea who launched it, yet you are unconcerned? They either know exactly what happened or are completely inept.

[Jazkal]

I'm baffled at the lack of concern. A missile is launched from your territory and you have no idea who launched it, yet you are unconcerned? They either know exactly what happened or are completely inept.

Exactly, this type of response just shows us how unnerved they really are.

[Spectrism]

If that was anything but a mistake launch, we have something to worry about. My guess is that there is 0.00001% chance that it was a mistake.

[Festina Lente]

Anyone see a possible connection with what Cliff High was recently talking about? He was also mentioning some big moves with Ag.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/cliff-high-on-veritas/

I haven't listened to the whole interview.

[basplaer]

I lived on cruiser for 4+ years. That was not a small missile judging from the footage.

[Dogman]

If that was anything but a mistake launch, we have something to worry about. My guess is that there is 0.00001% chance that it was a mistake.


Think less and then think 0%

[k-os]

It's interesting, to say the least. I hope there is a follow up story with more details.

[solid]

I think they are going to say it was a "fat finger" error. ;D If a "fat finger" can drop the dow 1000 points, like in last May, then who's to say a fat finger can't accidentally launch an ICBM.

They will say it was some new guy who pushed the wrong button.

[mrnhtbr2232]

I was reading in the comments section of my local rag the Chronicle that there was a NOTAM issued prior to the launch:

KZLA LOS ANGELES A2832/10 - THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS ARE REQUIRED DUE TO NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER WEAPONS DIVISION ACTIVATION OF W537. IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, ALL NON-PARTICIPATING PILOTS ARE ADVISED TO AVOID W537. IFR TRAFFIC UNDER ATC JURISDICTION SHOULD ANTICIPATE CLEARANCE AROUND W537 AND CAE 1176. CAE 1155 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. CAE 1316 & CAE 1318 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. CAE 1177 WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. W537 ACTIVE, CAE 1176 CLOSED. SURFACE - FL390, 09 NOV 20:00 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 01:00 2010. CREATED: 08 NOV 20:52 2010

[Jazkal]

I was reading in the comments section of my local rag the Chronicle that there was a NOTAM issued prior to the launch:

KZLA LOS ANGELES A2832/10 - THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS ARE REQUIRED DUE TO NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER WEAPONS DIVISION ACTIVATION OF W537. IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, ALL NON-PARTICIPATING PILOTS ARE ADVISED TO AVOID W537. IFR TRAFFIC UNDER ATC JURISDICTION SHOULD ANTICIPATE CLEARANCE AROUND W537 AND CAE 1176. CAE 1155 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. CAE 1316 & CAE 1318 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. CAE 1177 WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. W537 ACTIVE, CAE 1176 CLOSED. SURFACE - FL390, 09 NOV 20:00 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 01:00 2010. CREATED: 08 NOV 20:52 2010



That is ZULU time, and does not fit into the time frame of this launch.

[mrnhtbr2232]

I was reading in the comments section of my local rag the Chronicle that there was a NOTAM issued prior to the launch:

KZLA LOS ANGELES A2832/10 - THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS ARE REQUIRED DUE TO NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER WEAPONS DIVISION ACTIVATION OF W537. IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, ALL NON-PARTICIPATING PILOTS ARE ADVISED TO AVOID W537. IFR TRAFFIC UNDER ATC JURISDICTION SHOULD ANTICIPATE CLEARANCE AROUND W537 AND CAE 1176. CAE 1155 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. CAE 1316 & CAE 1318 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. CAE 1177 WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. W537 ACTIVE, CAE 1176 CLOSED. SURFACE - FL390, 09 NOV 20:00 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 01:00 2010. CREATED: 08 NOV 20:52 2010


That is ZULU time, and does not fit into the time frame of this launch.


Yeah I saw that too with GMT -8 putting the creation time stamp at noon yesterday. Someone speculated that the closure was for a recovery operation. You would think the launch would be the advisory window though, not the recovery. Odd.

[madfranks]

Either a failed EMP attack or an implicit threat that it could be done easily.

[gunDriller]

because of the way it's being handled, i have to wonder if that was an Israeli sub that fired the missile.

a la USS Liberty, Israel is never held accountable for their actions.

the way the US government is reacting reminds me of the way they react when Israel misbehaves.

see no evil, hear no evil - etc.

[learn2swim]

Where did the missile go? I don't think this is good at all. Also, what's with the MSM reports of UFO activity lately?

[mick silver]

maybe they were shooting at silver

[k-os]

maybe they were shooting at silver


Good one!

[ShortJohnSilver]

Just testing a false flag attack vector ... looks like some horrible terrorist will sneak a kiloton TNT equivalent bomb via their thick eyeglass frames and blow a plane out of the sky ...

a la TWA800, which multiple witnesses who know what they are talking about described as surface to air, and there were subs and Navy assets in the area ...

but no, the plane broke apart in mid air, then despite now having all the aerodynamics of a brick, zooomed up 1000 feet in elevation gain before spontaneously combusting (according to the official govt explanation).

[basplaer]

maybe they were shooting at silver

Looks like a successful intercept!

[DMac]

More swamp gas. Nothing to see here!!!!

http://northernwaterways.com/news/uploads/single/2009/norway_spiral.jpg

[milehi]

I should've seen this but didn't. At the time of the event, I was driving south on Highway 1 near Ventura. I was checking out surf conditions along the coast, and started watching the sun set. The conditions were very clear and you could easily make out Catalina, the Channell Islands and L.A. to the south. By the time I headed inland on the 126, it was just getting dark.

[Shami-Amourae]

WTF is wrong with our government? They tap our phones, tap American citizen computers, feel us up at airports, but this isn’t a threat? Need anymore reasons why these idiots don't deserve our taxes.

[k-os]

WTF is wrong with our government? They tap our phones, tap American citizen computers, feel us up at airports, but this isn’t a threat?


Excellent point!

[FreeEnergy]

Now, if you were threatening the US Gov, you would do it off the coast of a big population center (LA), and now they know you have the ability to put a EMP Nuke high enough to knock you back to the stone age.


Who would do such a thing? NK?


Israel? 200+ "lost" nukes, and US is trying to get the monkey off its back? :P

But probably more journalist BS to get anything and a kitchen sink into the "news" to hide the real elephant in the room - the collapse of US economy.

[General of Darkness]

Everything in this country is a LIE, from the LAWS, MEDIA, NASA, MILITARY, POLITICIANS, and this entire house of cards is going to start falling.

[willie pete]

nothing is what it seems

[1970 silver art]

maybe they were shooting at silver


Nah.......

I think that was silver heading to da moon. :D ;D

[SHTF2010]

L.A.’s Mystery ‘Missile’ Is Probably a Jet

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/11/mystery-missile-is-probably-a-jet/

[madfranks]

L.A.’s Mystery ‘Missile’ Is Probably a Jet

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/11/mystery-missile-is-probably-a-jet/




Yeah I just heard they're now calling it a contrail from an airplane. Rrrrrright....

[JDRock]

wait for the "official" story, then believe the opposite.

[Jazkal]

Another link suggesting the "jet contrail" theory

http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/#more-4

[drafter]

If it was an airplane the FAA could have confirmed there was an aircraft in the area with a few minutes of research. The contrail story is just spin. Now that it's just a "CON-trail", the story will slide down the memory hole. Move along, nothing to see here.

[Glass]

I think it's this guy

http://cdn.screenjunkies.com/www/sites/default/files/simpsons_scorpio.jpg

We had a high altitude fly over above our city about a year ago and to me it looked like chem trails. The plane was very high, very fast. You could make out it was a large aircraft. Anyway the trail was very big and the angle made it look like it had made an almost vertical take off from the direction of our local airport. Several other people thought it came from the direction of an airbase about 40 miles north of the city limits not from the east where I thought it came from. So where you were in relation to the plane made a difference as to where you thought it came from.

Anyway it turned out to be a Sydney departure plane - East Coast of Australia flying over us - West Coast of Australia on it's way to South Africa. The contrail was very big and looked unusual compared to the normal ones you might see. I video'd it on my phone and did some cussin about how they were spraying.

Anyway I'm going to suggest it's a plane at an odd viewing angle and it's glinting from the sun.

[osoab]

New Chinese subs raise questions (http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2010/10/25/2003486862/2)


Recent media interest about new types of submarines being developed by the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) could provide important clues about China’s naval capabilities and intentions, a specialist on China said in a recent article.

“Whereas the development and deployment of the Chinese navy’s surface fleet have been prominently displayed in unprecedented scale in recent naval exercises both in the South and East China Sea, the expansion of China’s subsurface fleet appears to have been slowed in recent years,” Russell Hsiao, editor of the China Brief, a publication of the US-based Jamestown Foundation, wrote in the publication’s latest edition.

From 2007 until this year, he said, the total number of submarines deployed in the PLAN was steady, rising by a single vessel, to 63, Hsiao wrote.

While the scope of the PLAN’s development remained to be seen and would depend on tested capabilities rather than media photos and speculation, the increased incidence of reports on new submarines could nevertheless provided important clues about Beijing’s strategic outlook, he said.

“In this context, these reports raise interesting questions about what is known regarding the pace of investments that China has undertaken to increase stealth, missile capacity, survivability and the capability to project its submarine force both regionally and globally,” he wrote.

Early last month, a Hong Kong-based media ran a story based on a photo of a new conventionally powered attack submarine that had been circulating on the Web for several weeks. The SSK submarine was allegedly developed by state-owned China Shipbuilding Industry Corp, China’s largest shipbuilder, the report said.

The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) has yet to officially acknowledge reports that the new submarine has stealth capabilities.

“Chinese academic engineering literature cited by a prominent Western defense magazine supports the fact ‘that the PLA has also been researching fuel cell AIP engine technology — with the PLA having benefited via Chinese academics from several conferences with German fuel cell technology experts,” the report said, citing Jane’s Defense Weekly.



The addition of an AIP system could allow a Chinese submarine to operate underwater for up to 30 days on battery power, and would make the Song and Yuan submarines inaudible to existing US surveillance networks-and US subs,” the report said.

　Reports also claim that China would finish testing and deploy two additional Yuan-class submarines by the end of next year, Hsiao wrote, adding that if reports were true, it would confirm the belief, held by some experts, that the apparent slowdown in the PLAN’s expansion was only a transitory phase and that its submarine fleet appeared set to resume its upward trajectory.

　These revelations coincide with the recent sighting of a new Type 093 Shang-class nuclear-powered attack submarine docked at a Chinese naval base in Sanya, on Hainan Island. A photograph obtained by Japan-based Kyodo News showed two nuclear-powered submarines docked at a quay on the base.

　Hsiao wrote that the reports and images showcasing new submarines and deployments underscored Beijing’s growing assertiveness, which has also been accompanied by an increasing incidence of sorties and exercises in waters close to Taiwan, Japan and South Korea.




China giving us a warning?

[mamboni]

That looked exactly like the many ICBM launch films I've seen before. This really gives me the willies - very scary, especially during such precarious times as these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95tFGzDpDJs&feature=related

[k-os]

That looked exactly like the many ICBM launch films I've seen before. This really gives me the willies - very scary, especially during such precarious times as these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95tFGzDpDJs&feature=related


Especially since the official story is denial.

[LuckyStrike]

L.A.’s Mystery ‘Missile’ Is Probably a Jet

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/11/mystery-missile-is-probably-a-jet/




Yeah I just heard they're now calling it a contrail from an airplane. Rrrrrright....


My thoughts exactly, how stupid do they think people are?

I mean damn I'm a pretty harsh judge of my fellow countrymen and even I can't see the average joe falling for that BS.

Realistically though I can't really see the average joe giving a damn come Friday.

[k-os]

Yeah I just heard they're now calling it a contrail from an airplane. Rrrrrright....


My thoughts exactly, how stupid do they think people are?

I mean damn I'm a pretty harsh judge of my fellow countrymen and even I can't see the average joe falling for that BS.

Realistically though I can't really see the average joe giving a damn come Friday.


Do our fellow countrymen even give a damn now?

I don't have a television, so I have no idea what information our fellow countrymen are being fed. If the TV personalities don't question the official story, then neither will our fellow countrymen. Since the TV personalities all want a paycheck, they'll say (or not say) whatever they're told to say (or not say).

Then this, as with so many other sizzling topics of the past, will be put on the back burner, never to be thought of again . . . except for by us lunatic fringe gold bug end-of-the-world preppers.

[saint]

After much hullabaloo all day about a possible missile flying off the coast of Southern California, experts said Tuesday afternoon it was probably not a missile at all, but rather a jet. Military analysts said it was most likely an aircraft flying close to the horizon, and thus looked like a missile coming head-on. “The short explanation is that we don’t see a lot of jet contrails head-on, especially from the vantage point of a helicopter. So, it looks like a missile to everyone else,” writes New America Foundation analyst Jeffrey Lewis. Lewis and other analysts said that if the flying object had indeed been a missile it would have shown up on America's missile-warning system.

Read it at Wired.com

Saint

[Book]

...how stupid do they think people are?



http://www.yourfulcrum.com/images/blogimages/mccain_obama.jpg

How many "voted" in the last presidential election?

:D

[osoab]

Military Says Missile-Like Object Wasn't Missile (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/10/earlyshow/main7040379.shtml)

Just posting the interesting part.



But Doug Richardson, the editor of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets, examined the video for the Times of London and said he was left with little doubt.

"It’s a solid propellant missile," he told the Times. "You can tell from the efflux [smoke]."

Richardson said it could have been a ballistic missile launched from a submarine or an interceptor, the defensive anti-missile weapon used by Navy surface ships.

[mick silver]

our gov know what was fired .........

[Camp Bassfish]

Maybe they were just filming a new Trojans commercial??

[mick silver]

what was put in the air from missile .

[Low_five]

it was an airplane contrail. but only one airplane in a very busy sector made that particular contrail.

sheep: we have never been at war with eastasia.

there was no contrail

[keehah]

Yes it is clearly not a contrail. One can see the lower section is in front of the local clouds, the higher section behind another band of the local clouds.

And later images show many different levels of drift with elevation in the atmosphere through stratified air currents that regular contrails do not show, or perhaps only once or twice the odd time.

[DMac]

It bears repeating:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/10/earlyshow/main7040379.shtml

Doug Richardson, the editor of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets, examined the video for the Times of London and said he was left with little doubt.

"It’s a solid propellant missile," he told the Times. "You can tell from the efflux [smoke]."

Richardson said it could have been a ballistic missile launched from a submarine or an interceptor, the defensive anti-missile weapon used by Navy surface ships.

[VX1]

As an amateur rocket scientist, I think I can verify that it is probably most definitely the signature of the new Estes model rocket engine, size ZZZZZZZZZ99. Here's a launch I did in high school using a weaker size ZZZZZZY8 engine:

[VX1]

Powerful stuff.




Things are far from normal or good, regardless of how many more rallies might be scheduled in an effort to “restore sanity” in America. Odd, that. A rally and appeal for the masses to “restore sanity.” Perhaps it was more of an appeal not to look behind the curtain, and to convince people that should we see anything that might resemble a missile off our shores, we should keep shopping because everything is all under control.

[osoab]

I was listening to the Rocon show on WLS out of Chicago.

The brother of Ron Majors, is the one who took the video. They were interviewing him.

If I heard it correctly, he didn't believe that this was a plane unless it was a new military aircraft.

[Dogman]

I was listening to the Rocon show on WLS out of Chicago.

The brother of Ron Majors, is the one who took the video. They were interviewing him.

If I heard it correctly, he didn't believe that this was a plane unless it was a new military aircraft.


;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B707Ava4wrY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNIVpMXHqlk

:rocket_hor




:ROFL:

[osoab]

How about a little Sorcha for this thread.

Chinese EMP Attack Prompts US Missile Strike After Cruise Ship Crippled (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1421.htm)


A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared for Prime Minister Putin by Director Anatoly Perminov of the Russian Federal Space Agency states that an Arkon-1 military satellite monitoring the western coastal regions of North America detected an “EMP anomalous event” occurring on November 8th at 0600 Pacific Standard Time (-8 hours GMT) that bore the “direct signature” of a YJ-62 subsonic anti-ship missile fired from a Chinese People’s Liberation Navy Type 041 submarine (NATO code name Yuan-Class) [photo 2nd left] known to be patrolling approximately 200 kilometers off United States coast.

Nearly 11 hours after this EMP “event”, this report further says, Arkon-1 then detected a BGM-109 (Tomahawk) subsonic cruise missile launched from a US Navy Ohio-Class submarine operating off the coast of California [photo bottom left] on a “training mission” from its home port located at US Navy’s Kitsap Base in Washington State and was enroute to the largest American Naval Base on the US west coast in San Diego, California.

Note: A Russian military intelligence (GRU) addendum to this report states that the “training mission” the Ohio-Class submarine was on is related to a new US law passed this year allowing for the first time in history for women to serve on US Navy subs and was an “operational exercise” testing female Naval Officers competence prior to their first “operational deployment”.

The “immediate effect” of the Chinese Navy’s firing of their EMP missile, this report continues, was the “catastrophic crippling” of the US based cruise ship Carnival Splendor [photo 3rd left] that stranded its nearly 4,500 passengers and crew in a “dead in the water” boat and prompting the Americans to send the US Navy’s Ronald Reagan aircraft carrier, warplanes, and supply aircraft to protect it from further attack after all of its electronic systems were destroyed.

An electromagnetic pulse (EMP) such as was used upon the Carnival Splendor is a burst of electromagnetic radiation that causes rapidly changing electric fields (or magnetic fields) that when coupling with electrical/electronic systems produces damaging current and voltage surges destroying all non-hardened electrical systems.

The US Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC) had previously warned that American ships were vulnerable to such attacks with EMP Assessment Group Leader of Blaise Corbett stating that “the consequences of failing to take appropriate precautions to protect fleet mission critical systems can ultimately prove catastrophic to the Navy’s mission.”

The purpose of this Chinese EMP upon an American ship, this report says, was twofold: 1.) A test of the EMP weapon itself that in a war against the Americans and would be used against their Naval Fleet and Marine Forces operating out of California and the west coast of the US, and 2.) A test of the response time for American retaliatory measures against any Chinese warship attacking the US and/or its interests in the Pacific.

The GRU further states that the timing of this attack was timed even more crucially due to China’s testing of America’s response time during a period when their President, as Commander In Chief of all US Military Forces, was out of the country, as Obama was as he was in India at the time.

The Americans response time of nearly 11 hours between the EMP attack on the Carnival Splendor and the US retaliatory strike, the GRU states, “virtually assured” that the Chinese submarine responsible for the attack escaped, but which they further point out may have been intended by the Americans so as not to escalate this crisis.

To the geo-political reason(s) for a Communist Chinese attack upon the Americans just days before the crucially important G-20 Summit in South Korea, which both President’s Hu and Obama will be attending, this report says was due to the United States, in essence, declaring total economic war upon the rest of the world by its printing of nearly $1 Trillion US Dollars in order to monetize its staggering debt and that China warned:

“If the United States can increase the volume of dollars and it can transmit inflation to other countries to lessen the pressure of debt, then it will bring about a catastrophic influence on the world.”

Typical of the United States propaganda media organs in telling their citizens about the true events relating to this crisis, it as if they have put themselves in total Cold War mode reminiscent of the 1940’s to the late 1980’s when they, likewise, failed to inform them of the many incidents or US Soldier deaths related to that conflict.

Most dangerous about the American people not being informed of the true and tragic state of our world today is their not being able to prepare for the much larger conflicts to come, especially in light of China’s Communists vowing that they won’t go down without a fight. A fight, mind you, that now appears not only a sure thing, but imminent.

© November 10, 2010 EU and US all rights reserved. Permission to use this report in its entirety is granted under the condition it is linked back to its original source at

About the Splendor (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/09/carnival-splendor-fire-cruise-passengers)


A cruise ship stranded offshore after a fire in the engine room cut its power supply is being towed slowly into a Mexican port, but it will not arrive until at least Wednesday night, the US coastguard said today.

None of the 3,299 passengers and 1,167 crew members on the Carnival Splendour was hurt when the fire broke out early on Monday 200 miles south of San Diego, California. The cruise operator, Carnival Cruise Lines, based in Miami, said the ship's air conditioning, hot water and telephone service were not working, but auxiliary power allowed toilets and cold running water to be restored by Monday night.

The coastguard, along with the US and Mexican navies, deployed aircraft and ships to help the stricken vessel, which was drifting about 55 miles off the coast of northern Baja.

Two Mexican seagoing tugboats, contracted out of the port of Ensenada, are expected to have returned with the ship, escorted by a coastguard cutter, by about 8pm tomorrow.

Passengers will be taken by bus to California, said Joyce Oliva, a Carnival spokeswoman. Once passengers are dropped off, the Splendor will be towed back to Long Beach, California – a journey that will take days, which is why the passengers will be dropped off in Mexico first.The US navy aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan was diverted to help the ship. Supplies, including bread, utensils, cups, milk, canned food and other items, will be flown to the Reagan, where helicopters will transfer them to the stricken cruise ship.

Guests will get refunds, reimbursement for transportation costs and a free future cruise of equal value, the cruise line said.

After the fire, passengers were first asked to move from their cabins to the ship's upper deck, but eventually allowed to go back to their rooms. Bottled water and cold food were being provided.

"We know this has been an extremely trying situation for our guests and we sincerely thank them for their patience," Carnival president and CEO Gerry Cahill said. "Conditions on board the ship are very challenging and we sincerely apologize for the discomfort and inconvenience our guests are currently enduring."


Denninger brought this up in the thread for his ticker. Not Sorcha, but the fire on the Splendor.

[sunshine05]

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/gallery?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=7776159&photo=1

Here is a link to more photos

[ShortJohnSilver]

Caught Fox News earlier today "it was a contrail, go back to sleep now sheeple" ... they cropped the image so you couldn't see the rapid elevation gain that for a passenger plane, would result in lawsuits, whiplash, and shortening the life of the airframe provided it didn't break apart.

Just now on ABC News with Diane Sawyer ... "it was a contrail, meaning condensation trail" -- meaning people who normally watch ABC News are so stupid they don't know what a contrail is.

[Glass]

So it's a missile then. Obama and a massive entourage of thousands is with him. Large flotilla of boats, a half dozen major aircraft etc. Was this the FF event that people suspected might happen and it failed? Thats what is begining to look like and either it went wrong or someone stepped in stopped it or they didn't stand down and let the defence systems stop it. The idea that this could have been a FF nuke or some such is mind boggling.

[Libertytree]

So it's a missile then. Obama and a massive entourage of thousands is with him. Large flotilla of boats, a half dozen major aircraft etc. Was this the FF event that people suspected might happen and it failed? Thats what is begining to look like and either it went wrong or someone stepped in stopped it or they didn't stand down and let the defence systems stop it. The idea that this could have been a FF nuke or some such is mind boggling.


For as much disdain as I have for Sorcha Fal, I think that story holds more credibility than the others that have been bandied about.

[ShortJohnSilver]

So it's a missile then. Obama and a massive entourage of thousands is with him. Large flotilla of boats, a half dozen major aircraft etc. Was this the FF event that people suspected might happen and it failed? Thats what is begining to look like and either it went wrong or someone stepped in stopped it or they didn't stand down and let the defence systems stop it. The idea that this could have been a FF nuke or some such is mind boggling.


Amazing how the Clinton and Obama admins play out so much in parallel ... it is like same song, second verse.

Clinton gets in ... Repubs take over the house on the mid-terms.

Clinton is CIA and drug-connected, Obama is Muslim or CFR/bilderberg/whatever connected.

Clinton has TWA800, now this.

etc. etc.

[keehah]

Gee osoab, just 2 days later after ranting against a Sorcha link, your quoting Sorcha without even telling us. :oo-->

Certainly was an interesting day Monday off the coast of southern California.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/09/carnival-splendor-fire-ne_n_780947.html

The Carnival Splendor was 200 miles south of San Diego when an engine room fire cut its power early Monday, according to a statement from Miami-based Carnival Cruise Lines.

The 3,299 passengers and 1,167 crew members were not hurt and the fire was put out, but the 952-foot ship had no air conditioning, hot water or telephone service. Auxiliary power allowed toilets and cold running water to be restored Monday night.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_Splendor

Without power for air conditioning and refrigeration, passengers were fed spam and other rations delivered via US Navy helicopters and the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan.

[Low_five]

there always was an airplane contrail.

There was no contrail.

[Ponce]

Didn't you guys read that it was an optical illucion?.......no kidding, read it this morning........it was no plane but a missile.

[Low_five]

Didn't you guys read that it was an optical illucion?.......no kidding, read it this morning........it was no plane but a missile.


minitrue verifies that recdep rectified the report. further crimethink would be ungood.

[Glass]

Could it have been a broken arrow event? Or it could have been a patriot standing up and thwarting something real bad false flag style. Or it could have been an attack by another country. I guess we know the short list of who that could have been. I can't see why someone would send up something worth so much money if they didn't mean it to do what it was designed for. So to me it means it either malfunctioned (other country) or someone stepped in (false flag attempt).

Did they track that thing? They must have. If it was an aircraft it would be on their air control logs. They could back track it. If it was a missle they could work out where it went and go looking for it. I don't have US TV. Are they even talking about it being tracked or is that not being mentioned.

I remember reading about all the stuff and people Obama was taking to India. Like 3000 people and heads of industry, planes warships, building tunnels through the city, hiring out the whole hotel etc. Does someone have that thread link handy please?

[keehah]

:rocket_hor
:ROFL:

Flash Gordon references are interesting. Gordon had his Skyflash and Skyflash II spaceships.
Skyline the movie starts Friday. Blue UFO over washington a few days back.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyline_(film)

After a night of partying, a group of friends are distracted when beams of (blue) light awaken everyone in Los Angeles, that then attract every person like a moth to a flame. As the night progresses, they soon discover that once exposed to the light, they vanish into thin air, caused by extraterrestrial forces that later threaten to swallow the entire human species.
warning- one swear word
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U9CL8OXCQc

[Buddha]

This is ridiculous, Don't ask me why but I was feeling a little optimistic as of a few months back. Optimism really isnt the word... a hair less gloomy fits better. Then this QE2 sh*t happens, silver takes off and price controls are immediately put in place via the raising of the margins or whatever from $5,000 to $6,500. Now we have this missile launch right in the country, with the news folks and everyone immediatly lying. Saying "it's just a plane idiots, go watch some football and buy some sh*t. It's almost Christmas you know."

Otto von Bismark: "Believe nothing a government says until it is officially denied."

This missile sh*t gives me the willies, and is lighting a fire under my ass in regards to prepping.

[JohnQPublic]

Too much weird stuff is happening under Obama. This may be a second attempted coup. Remember this (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/item_oNWhYSTmV89BQ5uQZuReBO)?


http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/8/7/3/i/5/1/1/o/AirForceOne-OverNewYork.jpg

[old steel]

Definitely a missile but the $64.00 question is where was it headed.

Oh wait n/m Aliens shot it down. ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UAeSsvHhTg

[Book]

That picture looks photo shopped. the flag is backwards!


http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/2007airforceone460_300.jpg

http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/2007/05/15/usps-stamps-honor-air-force-one-and-marine-one/

The way it really is.

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[willie pete]

the flag in the picture on the plane is correct

[k-os]

That picture looks photo shopped. the flag is backwards!


I learned this from someone in the military . . . the flag, when it is displayed on something moving (a person's uniform, a plane), is to appear as if the object is moving forward. So the flag appears to be flying backwards, but the object is moving forward, and the flag is flying.

[willie pete]

That picture looks photo shopped. the flag is backwards!


I learned this from someone in the military . . . the flag, when it is displayed on something moving (a person's uniform, a plane), is to appear as if the object is moving forward. So the flag appears to be flying backwards, but the object is moving forward, and the flag is flying.


if the flag were the other way, it'd represent retreating

[k-os]

That picture looks photo shopped. the flag is backwards!


I learned this from someone in the military . . . the flag, when it is displayed on something moving (a person's uniform, a plane), is to appear as if the object is moving forward. So the flag appears to be flying backwards, but the object is moving forward, and the flag is flying.


if the flag were the other way, it'd represent retreating


Exactly.

[osoab]

Gee osoab, just 2 days later after ranting against a Sorcha link, your quoting Sorcha without even telling us. :oo-->


Yeah, sorry about that, but it was the only place that was calling the missle an EMP cause for the cruise ship power failure.

I don't believe the report is correct. I haven't seen any other reports of disabled assets in the area of the cruise ship.

Denninger was the first place I read about the cruise ship and they were throwing this idea around.

[k-os]

Off the coast of Near Monterey this morning, the pilots are putting on quite a show with chemtrails/contrails. There's even one that goes straight up (although for a much shorter distance). It looks to me like they're trying to show us dumb folk how it could have been a contrail.

I am resizing the images and will post in a few minutes.

Edit: I forgot that I am on the West coast. These chemtrails/contrails were to the east, as is evident by the rising sun. ;D

[k-os]

Admittedly, I have no idea if this is a normal morning for contrails in this area.

It was the one going straight up that caught my attention.

[k-os]

I added that last photo because I thought it was cool. ;D

[keehah]

Looks like your UFO flew to NewYork k-os.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/11/10/did-you-see-the-fire-in-the-nyc-sky/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhy3TO04pMg

[midnight rambler]

More On SoCal Missile From A Missile Tech
By George Freund
11-13-10


"Finally there is something that has occurred, in which I am actually an expert and qualified to give a real answer about. I am a retired U.S. Navy FireControl Technician, who is platform certified in the gun and missile systems on board Adams class guided missile destroyers, I have also worked with the Navy's Harpoon, Tomahawk and ASROC missile systems. (FireControl Techs operate, maintain and repair the computer, radar and periphial systems used to launch and guide the various naval weapon systems, we are the guys who "PUSH THE BUTTON").

Anyway, what I saw in the recent video concerning the object 30 miles off the coast of CA. Is blatantly a foreign made, Large Cruise or ICBM missile, being launched by a sub-surface aquatic platform.

First, I know it's a large missile because it did not exhibit the typical "corkscrewing" trajectory of a beam riding missile as it trys to aquire the targeting beam. This tells me its a Big Boy with a complete guidence system installed in it, what is nicknamed a "fire and forget" missile, as once its launched its internal guidance system takes over and there is no real need for external guidance.

Second, I'm fairly confident it's not one of ours, as the vapor trail appears "dirty" it looks brownish.

I have personally been involved in (5) SM2 missile launches, and (2) ASROC missile launches, and have been on safety observation for at least 15 more launches of Harpoons, Tomahawks and other missiles. We put alot of sweat and money into our "birds" and part of that is the fuel cells, they burn very clean, a whitish-blue infact, not a dirty blackish brown. That missile had rather crude fuel cells, which tells me its not one of ours.

I bet the brass in Washington is freaked out big time, because of what I know of our "defenses" they should really have had a pretty good idea this thing was sitting there, and they should have been watching it, not only that the moment it broke the surface of the water and ignited our early warning dopplar should have picked it up, and relayed the info to NORAD, and the CAP units flying patrol over the country... Any high ranking expert who believes this is a condensation trail off of a commercial airliner is lying or stupid. I hope you hear from other Fire Control Techs who saw the same thing I did."


georgefreund@hotmail.com

[k-os]

This photo is from a few minutes after I posted the other photos (above). All of the vertical looking clouds are from airplanes. In fact, all of the streaks that look like clouds are from airplanes, but the vertical ones were more eye catching and odd to me.

It looked to me like the pilots were trying to either prove or disprove the contrail theory. They obviously disproved it from my perspective.

I haven't seen any other contrail/chemtrail activity out there since that morning.

[keehah]

http://www.infowars.com/wayne-madsen-china-fired-missile-seen-in-southern-california/

Missile experts, including those from Jane’s in London, say the plume was definitely from a missile, possibly launched from a submarine. WMR has learned that the missile was likely a JL-2 ICBM, which has a range of 7,000 miles, and was fired in a northwesterly direction over the Pacific and away from U.S. territory from a Jin class submarine. The Jin class can carry up to twelve such missiles.

Navy sources have revealed that the missile may have impacted on Chinese territory and that the National Security Agency (NSA) likely posseses intercepts of Chinese telemtry signals during the missile firing and subsequent testing operations.

Wayne is interviewed midway in the podcast.

Alex Jones podcast http://www.ajpfiles.com/November2010/Alex.Jones.11.12.2010.mp3

Friday 11-12-10 - Alex talks with Washington, D.C.-based investigative journalist, author and columnist Wayne Madsen about the mysterious missile that appeared off the coast of California. Madsen is a U.S. Navy veteran. He worked for RCA as a government consultant on contracts for the National Security Agency and later worked for the Navy's Naval Data Automation Command as a civilian employee and at the State Department.