What, no thanks to our Veterans today?

[EE_]

Is it because most here don't believe in the wars we are fighting?
I don't believe in these bullshit wars either, but I firmly believe in a strong military, so I personally thank them all!
Hopefully, one day we will all stand together to fight the real enemies!
EE

[Hillbilly]

I've very thankful for my families Military service to this country. I thank all of those who have and who are now serving.

[k-os]

Thank you, veterans!

[Libertytree]

Thanks to those that served in the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, WW1, WW2 and Vietnam. These folks did it out of love of country, honor or were drafted.

The voluntary force we now employ seems ridden with neocon-patriotism and are there simply to kill and blow sh!t up, ie reality video games draped in mostly other peoples(.gov) media driven, lust for blood, ulterior motives and profit. I simply can't say thank you for these virtues, as they are a perversion of honor, integrity and genuine patriotism.

[Hillbilly]

Ya I don't understand that mindset. I have a cousin he is married with several small children and he is just so wound up to get over there into the shit. It's sad why not stay here and take care of his own kids. If our country was at stake then that is a proud sacrifice that many fathers have made in the past but nothing is at stake like that right now.




Thanks to those that served in the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, WW1, WW2 and Vietnam. These folks did it out of love of country, honor or were drafted.

The voluntary force we now employ seems ridden with neocon-patriotism and are there simply to kill and blow sh!t up, ie reality video games draped in mostly other peoples(.gov) media driven, lust for blood, ulterior motives and profit. I simply can't say thank you for these virtues, as they are a perversion of honor, integrity and genuine patriotism.

[Gaillo]

My father, my grandfathers on both sides of the family, and many of my best friends are veterans. I will NEVER speak unkindly toward them or their service, regardless of how I feel about the MIC that uses and abuses this countries (and other countries) valiant soldiers. Thanks to all of you who bravely served, and to those soldiers who figure out the world situation, GET OUT of the service while you can - or at least refuse to obey immoral orders issued to you.

[zap]

Yep,

I say Thankyou to all our family members and others who gave their lives, and their service to the United States.

[Dogman]

Every male on both sides of my family have served, and all of them, except me were navy. I did the air force and have been called a fence jumper ever since. I do thank the ones serving now and those in the past for serving this country and sometimes sacrificing their lives for it.

[crazychicken]

My fathers side of the family--combat wounded every generation all the back to the Revolutionary War. Family farm was in Monmouth Courthouse, NJ, location of the Battle of Monmouth. Actual site of the battle extended from Tennent Church almost to what is now known as Freehold. The family farm was right on the west side of the battle lines.

The Battle of Monmouth was were the heroine, Molly Pitcher, manned the cannon when her husband fell. General Lee was court-martialled for ordering retreat. With a woman on the cannon, none of the troops fell back.

Molly Pitcher--probably the first American citizen-soldier to utter the phrase-"RETREAT MY ASS".

Battle of Monmouth-an American victory. Next stop for the Brits--NY and gone.

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS-YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND TOMORROW.

AND TO ALL OF YOU -----------WELCOME HOME.

CC

[Fortyone]

Thanks to those that served in the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, WW1, WW2 and Vietnam. These folks did it out of love of country, honor or were drafted.

The voluntary force we now employ seems ridden with neocon-patriotism and are there simply to kill and blow sh!t up, ie reality video games draped in mostly other peoples(.gov) media driven, lust for blood, ulterior motives and profit. I simply can't say thank you for these virtues, as they are a perversion of honor, integrity and genuine patriotism.


Im going to risk a ban here, but thats a stupid remark, You exclude Korean War and Modern era conflicts?Why? the others had the same conspiracy and motives behind them,Your implying these guys are evil in some way for joining up.I dont believe so, maybe misinformed or mislead, but the bulk of them believe they are doing good.Draftees were the absolute worst mistake ever, forcibly sending them to war made them more brave? I think you need to reconsider. Burning Japanese troops alive with flamethrowers or defending a firebase in Vietnam is no braver than the guys on Porkchop hill,or the men who faced the intense heat and unknown strength of the Iraqis in 1990. US troops die every day, I dont believe they are evil as a group whatsoever.

[mightymanx]

I certanly hope not everyone thinks the military are mindless robots that only follow orders and will be perfect ZOG troops.

Some curently serving military might even be on this board and GIM1 or other places...... Gasp!!!

More people in the military are awake than you know. At least that is my expereince of my 19.5 years of service. Military folk are the ones that clued me on back in the day and we are always learning.

and if you are curious hell yea I am glad to be retiring in 6 months because it is getting bad all over.

[Libertytree]

Thanks to those that served in the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, WW1, WW2 and Vietnam. These folks did it out of love of country, honor or were drafted.

The voluntary force we now employ seems ridden with neocon-patriotism and are there simply to kill and blow sh!t up, ie reality video games draped in mostly other peoples(.gov) media driven, lust for blood, ulterior motives and profit. I simply can't say thank you for these virtues, as they are a perversion of honor, integrity and genuine patriotism.


Im going to risk a ban here, but thats a stupid remark, You exclude Korean War and Modern era conflicts?Why? the others had the same conspiracy and motives behind them,Your implying these guys are evil in some way for joining up.I dont believe so, maybe misinformed or mislead, but the bulk of them believe they are doing good.Draftees were the absolute worst mistake ever, forcibly sending them to war made them more brave? I think you need to reconsider. Burning Japanese troops alive with flamethrowers or defending a firebase in Vietnam is no braver than the guys on Porkchop hill,or the men who faced the intense heat and unknown strength of the Iraqis in 1990. US troops die every day, I dont believe they are evil as a group whatsoever.


No need for a ban Forty, I'm sure I excluded other conflicts as well, not intentionally though. I don't think anyone, group particular is evil, it's that I subdivide our wars from the Vietnam war to post our modern wars.

I do have to ask you this question about your post...."or the men who faced the intense heat and unknown strength of the Iraqis in 1990"......So, you think that the US Gov didn't know we were going up against virtual retards? That had no weapons of mass destruction?

Yaw'll can do the gung-ho thing all ya want, sorry, I just can't do it.

[LuckyStrike]

Thanks to those that served in the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, WW1, WW2 and Vietnam. These folks did it out of love of country, honor or were drafted.

The voluntary force we now employ seems ridden with neocon-patriotism and are there simply to kill and blow sh!t up, ie reality video games draped in mostly other peoples(.gov) media driven, lust for blood, ulterior motives and profit. I simply can't say thank you for these virtues, as they are a perversion of honor, integrity and genuine patriotism.


Im going to risk a ban here, but thats a stupid remark, You exclude Korean War and Modern era conflicts?Why? the others had the same conspiracy and motives behind them,Your implying these guys are evil in some way for joining up.I dont believe so, maybe misinformed or mislead, but the bulk of them believe they are doing good.Draftees were the absolute worst mistake ever, forcibly sending them to war made them more brave? I think you need to reconsider. Burning Japanese troops alive with flamethrowers or defending a firebase in Vietnam is no braver than the guys on Porkchop hill,or the men who faced the intense heat and unknown strength of the Iraqis in 1990. US troops die every day, I dont believe they are evil as a group whatsoever.


If you think that is risking a ban read my thoughts. I would also like to preface this by saying that I do not want to derail the thread if EE would like me to delete this comment I will.



I was brought up like any other American boy thinking the military was the best thing since sliced bread and have been to many military bases. I have military in my immediate family and many generations back, my Dad was drafted into Vietnam and his Dad into WWII, so don't think this comment is coming from someone who doesn't know anyone personally in the military.

Many people think that if you haven't been in the military you have no right to speak on the matter. So I won't. I will let Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient General Smedley Butler do it for me.

"War is just a racket. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers.

I helped make Mexico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested."

So I will say this if you are one of the few (nobody since the 1860's) who fought a war for "our homes and the Bill of Rights" than I owe you my deepest respect.

But NOBODY since the War of Northern Aggression has done either. You have been played. I certainly don't blame you for it the brainwashing runs deep, just don't expect me to shine your boots, you do the bankers bidding not your sworn duty.





I can't recommend enough General Butlers pamphlet War Is A Racket

http://www.truthinourtime.com/p/war-is-racket.html

[MAGNES]

that uses and abuses this countries (and other countries) valiant soldiers


All of society is brainwashed and the soldiers are no different.

The users are the most disrespectful towards the veterans.

Awakened soldiers are dangerous to them.

This is an extraordinary case, leadership and initiative was
rewarded with assassination.

Must Reading, key case and very appropriate for today.

After Pat’s Birthday By Kevin Tillman
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200601019_after_pats_birthday/

truthdig pat tillman brother
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=truthdig+pat+tillman+brother&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

" don’t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that “somehow” was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites. "

Kevin Tillman

[BrewTech]

The guy that lives across the street from me is in the marines. He is nice to me and always invites us over anytime he has a get together, and never wants anything in return.

I thank him, and only him, for that.

Does that count?

[Gaillo]

Nordic...
That was a just plain amazing post. Thank you.

[FunnyMoney]

"War is just a racket. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket." -General Smedley Butler



The cental banks of the world are in the process of taking away our homes, centralized govt is in the process of destroying the Bill of Rights.

This is why the troops won't come home, for if they were to, the brave among them might recognize the truth and gravity of the situation and this might turn them against the true enemy of freedom.

The federal govt has done almost nothing good in nearly two centuries, they have worn out their welcome. Only deception, distraction and division keeps them in control. The tree of liberty has been burned to the ground in every corner of the globe.

War as a business is now a global norm, either the world translates the words of Smedley Butler into every language and preaches them only second to those of the Lord, or satan becomes their master. Remember the saying, "it's the economy stupid"? "Stupid" being the important part, because what you will hear next is, "a war economy is better than no economy."

[mightymanx]

The cental banks of the world are in the process of taking away our homes, centralized govt is in the process of destroying the Bill of Rights.

This is why the troops won't come home, for if they were to, the brave among them might recognize the truth and gravity of the situation and this might turn them against the true enemy of freedom.The federal govt has done almost nothing good in nearly two centuries, they have worn out their welcome. Only deception, distraction and division keeps them in control. The tree of liberty has been burned to the ground in every corner of the globe.

War as a business is now a global norm, either the world translates the words of Smedley Butler into every language and preaches them only second to those of the Lord, or satan becomes their master. Remember the saying, "it's the economy stupid"? "Stupid" being the important part, because what you will hear next is, "a war economy is better than no economy."



QFT

[Libertarian_Guard]

My father, my grandfathers on both sides of the family, and many of my best friends are veterans. I will NEVER speak unkindly toward them or their service, regardless of how I feel about the MIC that uses and abuses this countries (and other countries) valiant soldiers. Thanks to all of you who bravely served, and to those soldiers who figure out the world situation, GET OUT of the service while you can - or at least refuse to obey immoral orders issued to you.


Under the Uniform code of Military Justice, (UCMJ) troops have no leg to stand on, by rejecting orders based on morality, or immoral orders. This would land them in the brig with a dishonarable discharge. They can, and are required to disobey unlawful orders. The question of what may or may not be moral has too much sway for troops to be injecting their own opinion. And in the military, everyone knows what opinions are like, and everyone has got one.

[Libertarian_Guard]

Thanks to those that served in the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, WW1, WW2 and Vietnam. These folks did it out of love of country, honor or were drafted.

The voluntary force we now employ seems ridden with neocon-patriotism and are there simply to kill and blow sh!t up, ie reality video games draped in mostly other peoples(.gov) media driven, lust for blood, ulterior motives and profit. I simply can't say thank you for these virtues, as they are a perversion of honor, integrity and genuine patriotism.


Im going to risk a ban here, but thats a stupid remark, You exclude Korean War and Modern era conflicts?Why? the others had the same conspiracy and motives behind them,Your implying these guys are evil in some way for joining up.I dont believe so, maybe misinformed or mislead, but the bulk of them believe they are doing good.Draftees were the absolute worst mistake ever, forcibly sending them to war made them more brave? I think you need to reconsider. Burning Japanese troops alive with flamethrowers or defending a firebase in Vietnam is no braver than the guys on Porkchop hill,or the men who faced the intense heat and unknown strength of the Iraqis in 1990. US troops die every day, I dont believe they are evil as a group whatsoever.


If you think that is risking a ban read my thoughts. I would also like to preface this by saying that I do not want to derail the thread if EE would like me to delete this comment I will.



I was brought up like any other American boy thinking the military was the best thing since sliced bread and have been to many military bases. I have military in my immediate family and many generations back, my Dad was drafted into Vietnam and his Dad into WWII, so don't think this comment is coming from someone who doesn't know anyone personally in the military.

Many people think that if you haven't been in the military you have no right to speak on the matter. So I won't. I will let Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient General Smedley Butler do it for me.

"War is just a racket. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers.

I helped make Mexico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested."

So I will say this if you are one of the few (nobody since the 1860's) who fought a war for "our homes and the Bill of Rights" than I owe you my deepest respect.

But NOBODY since the War of Northern Aggression has done either. You have been played. I certainly don't blame you for it the brainwashing runs deep, just don't expect me to shine your boots, you do the bankers bidding not your sworn duty.





I can't recommend enough General Butlers pamphlet War Is A Racket

http://www.truthinourtime.com/p/war-is-racket.html


Great Post!

Anyone that quotes Smedley Butler is alright by me!

[Osaka]

Thank you, Veterans.

[Gaillo]

My father, my grandfathers on both sides of the family, and many of my best friends are veterans. I will NEVER speak unkindly toward them or their service, regardless of how I feel about the MIC that uses and abuses this countries (and other countries) valiant soldiers. Thanks to all of you who bravely served, and to those soldiers who figure out the world situation, GET OUT of the service while you can - or at least refuse to obey immoral orders issued to you.


Under the Uniform code of Military Justice, (UCMJ) troops have no leg to stand on, by rejecting orders based on morality, or immoral orders. This would land them in the brig with a dishonarable discharge. They can, and are required to disobey unlawful orders. The question of what may or may not be moral has too much sway for troops to be injecting their own opinion. And in the military, everyone knows what opinions are like, and everyone has got one.


I understand that... but I urge it just the same. I know that if I were part of the armed services, and had discovered the truth of this world after joining, I would accept the brig and/or dishonorable discharge in a SECOND rather than go along with firing upon American citizens or some other disgusting heinous act! >:(

P.S. - the "illegal orders" part is a complete smokescreen... WHO DO YOU THINK MAKES THE LAWS? The good guys, or the tyrannical, criminal opposition?

[Fortyone]

Thanks to those that served in the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, WW1, WW2 and Vietnam. These folks did it out of love of country, honor or were drafted.

The voluntary force we now employ seems ridden with neocon-patriotism and are there simply to kill and blow sh!t up, ie reality video games draped in mostly other peoples(.gov) media driven, lust for blood, ulterior motives and profit. I simply can't say thank you for these virtues, as they are a perversion of honor, integrity and genuine patriotism.


Im going to risk a ban here, but thats a stupid remark, You exclude Korean War and Modern era conflicts?Why? the others had the same conspiracy and motives behind them,Your implying these guys are evil in some way for joining up.I dont believe so, maybe misinformed or mislead, but the bulk of them believe they are doing good.Draftees were the absolute worst mistake ever, forcibly sending them to war made them more brave? I think you need to reconsider. Burning Japanese troops alive with flamethrowers or defending a firebase in Vietnam is no braver than the guys on Porkchop hill,or the men who faced the intense heat and unknown strength of the Iraqis in 1990. US troops die every day, I dont believe they are evil as a group whatsoever.


No need for a ban Forty, I'm sure I excluded other conflicts as well, not intentionally though. I don't think anyone, group particular is evil, it's that I subdivide our wars from the Vietnam war to post our modern wars.

I do have to ask you this question about your post...."or the men who faced the intense heat and unknown strength of the Iraqis in 1990"......So, you think that the US Gov didn't know we were going up against virtual retards? That had no weapons of mass destruction?

Yaw'll can do the gung-ho thing all ya want, sorry, I just can't do it.



My answer is simple, What the Govt. knows isnt necessarily passed onto the men, The average Private on the ground had NO idea that Saddam's army were a bunch of untrained idiots,They were expecting gas attacks and a frontal assault of what then was one of the world's largest armies.Im not being all gung ho either, but I do recognize that most vets were in the service at around 18-19 yrs old, and were pumped full of sunshine by the govt. and media at this very impressionable age.Anyone here that never made a bad decision at 18 please step up!Bottom line is that they THOUGHT they were doing good for their country. Finally,I dont know why you Conscript military from the volunteer forces however,as many in the older conflicts were volunteers as well.

[Libertarian_Guard]

The question of whether or not illegal orders are a smoke screen is debatable. Some are potentially B.S. such as treason or munity, under certain circuminstances. Others are reasonable and clear, such as executing prisoners, but I remember discussing this when I was in the Corps. And everyone was in agreement, none of us thought it acceptable to kill prisoners under order or not in a foreign country, but we agreed, that if we were fighting on our soil, it would be much easier to violate the standing illegality of this.

I also remember conversing in an off handed, light hearted way, about what it would take for a military overthrow of our government. Meaning how the Officer Corps would go about such a task. It was pointed out during the discussion that we could all be executed for having such conversation, but we weren't serious, and there were no rats among us. It was pure speculation, but still a most serious violation for government property to utter.

[gunDriller]

the best way to thank the troops is to go after the bastards who create, finance & manipulate the world into wars.

e.g. the Zionists who collaborated with WW2 Germany, the Wall Street financiers who financed WW2 Germany (e.g. Prescott Bush).

but that never happens. the troops die, the nations go through the motions of "honoring" them - but the nations never have the cojones to break the backs of the war-makers.

my father was a munitions sergeant in England in WW2 England, working for the US Army. he managed a group that defused bombs the Germans dropped.

he was from Sweden - and very knowledgeable about Israel ... but never talked about it within earshot of us kids. when i talk about Israel now, my mother says "you sound just like your father".

[Libertarian_Guard]

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."

--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

http://i51.tinypic.com/2cdtzxz.jpg


http://i55.tinypic.com/wtdr4k.jpg

[Horn]

it would be much easier to violate the standing illegality of this.

Is that like that part that states "No Standing Armies"?

[Libertarian_Guard]

http://i54.tinypic.com/jiyh39.jpg

[Libertarian_Guard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_BS-OZyaX0&feature=related

[Libertarian_Guard]

Thanks to those that served in the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, WW1, WW2 and Vietnam. These folks did it out of love of country, honor or were drafted.

The voluntary force we now employ seems ridden with neocon-patriotism and are there simply to kill and blow sh!t up, ie reality video games draped in mostly other peoples(.gov) media driven, lust for blood, ulterior motives and profit. I simply can't say thank you for these virtues, as they are a perversion of honor, integrity and genuine patriotism.


Im going to risk a ban here, but thats a stupid remark, You exclude Korean War and Modern era conflicts?Why? the others had the same conspiracy and motives behind them,Your implying these guys are evil in some way for joining up.I dont believe so, maybe misinformed or mislead, but the bulk of them believe they are doing good.Draftees were the absolute worst mistake ever, forcibly sending them to war made them more brave? I think you need to reconsider. Burning Japanese troops alive with flamethrowers or defending a firebase in Vietnam is no braver than the guys on Porkchop hill,or the men who faced the intense heat and unknown strength of the Iraqis in 1990. US troops die every day, I dont believe they are evil as a group whatsoever.


No need for a ban Forty, I'm sure I excluded other conflicts as well, not intentionally though. I don't think anyone, group particular is evil, it's that I subdivide our wars from the Vietnam war to post our modern wars.

I do have to ask you this question about your post...."or the men who faced the intense heat and unknown strength of the Iraqis in 1990"......So, you think that the US Gov didn't know we were going up against virtual retards? That had no weapons of mass destruction?

Yaw'll can do the gung-ho thing all ya want, sorry, I just can't do it.



My answer is simple, What the Govt. knows isnt necessarily passed onto the men, The average Private on the ground had NO idea that Saddam's army were a bunch of untrained idiots,They were expecting gas attacks and a frontal assault of what then was one of the world's largest armies.Im not being all gung ho either, but I do recognize that most vets were in the service at around 18-19 yrs old, and were pumped full of sunshine by the govt. and media at this very impressionable age.Anyone here that never made a bad decision at 18 please step up!Bottom line is that they THOUGHT they were doing good for their country. Finally,I dont know why you Conscript military from the volunteer forces however,as many in the older conflicts were volunteers as well.


Yes 41, this is always the case.

http://i43.tinypic.com/291zuc2.jpg

[po14015]

The military is the greatest example of collectivism there is.

They give up life and liberty for food, shelter, and a little allowance.

How can anyone be thankful for this???

These kids are broke and join for the money. Period.

They couldn't get jobs and felt they had few choices.

After joining, they have all their brainwashing reinforced with all the "Freedom isn't free. So kill some muzzies (or commies or whatever the current evil doers are)" garbage.

Standing armies are completely the opposite of Liberty.

I will not "thank" the military, but I will stand up for them to get what was promised to them even though I disagree that it should have ever been offered in the first place.

And the irony is that I will be labeled ungrateful, while Henry Kissinger will be glorified even though he "referred pointedly to military men as 'dumb, stupid animals to be used' as pawns for foreign policy."

The Vietnam draft is all one needs to know that Liberty has been lost in these States united. If people wouldn't stand up and protect their own children from death, then they will never stand up.

[k-os]

Very heavy post, NordicBerserker. Thank you.

I believe him that war is a racket, but that doesn't mean that soldiers are bad. I will always thank the military.

I probably said this last Veterans Day . . . but my dad came home from Vietnam and was spat upon. My dad is the most mild-mannered, sweet, loving man, and just knowing that anyone could hate him without knowing him breaks my heart. He signed up for the Air Force, having absolutely no idea that there was a war brewing in Asia. OK, he was a little out of touch. His family wasn't wealthy, and he didn't know what to do with his life. He thought that the military was an honorable choice while he figured things out.

My dad couldn't talk about Vietnam for about 30 years. He wouldn't. I figured it was because he had watched people die or killed a bunch of people or something horrific like that. The truth is even stranger than that. He was on the beach in the Philippines the whole time, and never saw any action. He hung out on the beach every day and fixed aircraft, far from the threat of harm.

He felt bad because he was hated by everyone at home, and couldn't figure out why. Then, when he found out why everyone hated him, he felt bad that he had lived, that he had been spared when so many other kids had died. In short, survivors guilt.

So, my dad is no war hero, he has never won any awards for bravery, but he's a great dad, and a great guy. There are soldiers just like him from every war. It is for this reason, that I always thank the military, and tell them WELCOME HOME!

[Grand Master Melon]

Lots of debate in here.

I made sure to call my buddy and tell him to take the day off and have a beer. After that I went with my father to the Veterans Day parade where I got to see a lot of schmucks and people that sit on various veterans committees and our moron mayor.

The Veterans for Peace float called out the current wars as lies which I thought was ballsy and interesting. No crazy preacher people this year and the cops seem much more well mannered. It was also nice to stand on a freshly paved street due to the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act. I always love to look at the faces of the people around me when I explain things to my children. The look one woman gave me when I was explaining the newly paved street and the burden of debt placed on my kids' back was priceless.

So I thanked my dad who handed out paychecks on an aircraft carrier that was assigned to picking up Gemini space capsuls and called it a day.

No debate here, each side has their points but it was Veterans Day and I thanked those I cared about.

[keehah]

Right. Or perhaps a 'screw you' from our western war criminal leaders.

Global Research: Timetable Abandoned: U.S. And NATO To Wage Endless War In Afghanistan (http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21883)

Keep those poppies flowing into western veins troops.

[po14015]

What are you thanking them for????????????

I would like to see a list of exactly WHAT.

And I want to know why they don't take the time to thank my friends, my family, and me. It is on our behalf that they get paid and are allowed to commit what otherwise would be a crime.

K-os, Question: Does your father support the current military killings? I ask because it seems that most of the Vietnam vets do support it.

And just because I don't "thank" them, doesn't mean that I would spit on them. And this is exactly the image that is used for anyone who won't say "thank you".

[k-os]

What are you thanking them for????????????


I am thanking them for volunteering for the job so that others would not be forced to do it (draft).



K-os, Question: Does your father support the current military killings? I ask because it seems that most of the Vietnam vets do support it.

And just because I don't "thank" them, doesn't mean that I would spit on them. And this is exactly the image that is used for anyone who won't say "thank you".


Fair enough. I wouldn't make you thank anyone. It's something that comes from the heart, or doesn't.

My dad is against any and all foreign occupation, as am I.

[po14015]

K-os: Define what their "job" is?

Over 1,000,000 people are getting paid to do this "job".

I am confused because:

People can travel across our borders at will.
There is a chance a foreign nation's sub could come right up to our coast and fire a missle.
We allow a nuclear first strike, and then we may or may not counter strike.
It is by far the most dangerous time for people born in the States to travel abroad because of their "job".

[Fortyone]

it would be much easier to violate the standing illegality of this.

Is that like that part that states "No Standing Armies"?


There never was a "No standing army" clause,There just wasnt any provision for keeping one,just a provision for the Navy. I doubt the forefathers would have guessed within a hundred years of their forming of the country, technology gave what used to take months to ship across down to a mere week. The Army was necessary from its inception,The colonial powers of Europe expanded everywhere in the world in the 1800s, except the Americas, The US,Mexico,and a few small states were the only ones not under European control.If there was no standing army,the US would have been carved up by the European powers,It was/is a very desirable target for resources.

[Libertarian_Guard]

"I wondered at the time (1927) if our government would put all these Marines in a position of danger, where they might sacrifice their lives in defense of Standard Oil. Later I discovered that of course it would, and did. It was only some years later that I learned that General Butler had been thinking the same way. I thought I had been alone in suspecting it."

"I believe that if we had and would keep our dirty, bloody, dollar-soaked fingers out of the business of these nations so full of depressed, exploited people, they will arrive at a solution of their own -- and if unfortunately their revolution must be of the violent type because the "haves" refuse to share with the "have-nots" by any peaceful method, at least what they get will be their own, and not the American style, which they don't want and above all don't want crammed down their throats by Americans." -- General David M. Shoup

[LuckyStrike]

that states "No Standing Armies"?


There never was a "No standing army" clause,There just wasnt any provision for keeping one,just a provision for the Navy. I doubt the forefathers would have guessed within a hundred years of their forming of the country, technology gave what used to take months to ship across down to a mere week. The Army was necessary from its inception,The colonial powers of Europe expanded everywhere in the world in the 1800s, except the Americas, The US,Mexico,and a few small states were the only ones not under European control.If there was no standing army,the US would have been carved up by the European powers,It was/is a very desirable target for resources.

[/quote]

It can certainly be argued that the Founders couldnt have envisioned the rapid advances in technology however it is my opinion that with nuclear weaponry it makes a standing army unnecessary once again.

FWIW here are some quotes from Jefferson on the subject.

"There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot but in well-defined cases. Such an instrument is a standing army." --Thomas Jefferson to David Humphreys, 1789. ME 7:323

"I do not like [in the new Federal Constitution] the omission of a Bill of Rights providing clearly and without the aid of sophisms for... protection against standing armies." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. ME 6:387

"Nor is it conceived needful or safe that a standing army should be kept up in time of peace for [defense against invasion]." --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:334

"Standing armies [are] inconsistent with [a people's] freedom and subversive of their quiet." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to Lord North's Proposition, 1775. Papers 1:231

"The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force." --Thomas Jefferson to Chandler Price, 1807. ME 11:160

"A distinction between the civil and military [is one] which it would be for the good of the whole to obliterate as soon as possible." --Thomas Jefferson: Answers to de Meusnier Questions, 1786. ME 17:90

"It is nonsense to talk of regulars. They are not to be had among a people so easy and happy at home as ours. We might as well rely on calling down an army of angels from heaven." --Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1814. ME 14:207

"There shall be no standing army but in time of actual war." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776. Papers 1:363

"The Greeks and Romans had no standing armies, yet they defended themselves. The Greeks by their laws, and the Romans by the spirit of their people, took care to put into the hands of their rulers no such engine of oppression as a standing army. Their system was to make every man a soldier and oblige him to repair to the standard of his country whenever that was reared. This made them invincible; and the same remedy will make us so." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1814. ME 14:184

"Bonaparte... transferred the destinies of the republic from the civil to the military arm. Some will use this as a lesson against the practicability of republican government. I read it as a lesson against the danger of standing armies." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Adams, 1800. ME 10:154

[Twisted Titan]

Bump................

[gunDriller]

i have a hunch that America's perceived "need" for a standing army arose in conjunction with the Talmud-worshippers seizing the reins of government ...

* knowing that it would be Gentiles who would be doing most of the fighting
* knowing that they could make $$$$$ off defense contracting
* knowing that the standing army would be used to secure mineral assets (including oil) that the Talmud-worshippers had designs on.

just a hunch.

late 19th century/ early 20th century.