Hypertiger Wisdoms

[Andy9999]

;D ;D

Friday, November 12, 2010
Better get some hyperinflation soon or the daydream is going to turn into a nightmare.

http://hypertiger.blogspot.com/

[Glass]

Typically blunt and unfortunately 100% on the money. I'm surprised people try and convince him otherwise. Those monetary expansion numbers are staggering. If my friends and family could grasp what he writes I would share it but I doubt they could.

[Mouse]

Very few things I disagree about in HT's philosophy. What I find intriguing is how do they provide the appearance of inflation (e.g. rising commodities prices), when we are in fact on a dangerous deflationary course? I always go nuts trying to wrap my head around is it inflation or deflation....deflation is death to us bugs, yet we are by all everyday appearances in inflation.....help?

[old steel]

Very few things I disagree about in HT's philosophy. What I find intriguing is how do they provide the appearance of inflation (e.g. rising commodities prices), when we are in fact on a dangerous deflationary course? I always go nuts trying to wrap my head around is it inflation or deflation....deflation is death to us bugs, yet we are by all everyday appearances in inflation.....help?



I thought Carl had set everyone straight on the matter when he was here. ;D

[BrewTech]

Very few things I disagree about in HT's philosophy. What I find intriguing is how do they provide the appearance of inflation (e.g. rising commodities prices), when we are in fact on a dangerous deflationary course? I always go nuts trying to wrap my head around is it inflation or deflation....deflation is death to us bugs, yet we are by all everyday appearances in inflation.....help?



I thought Carl had set everyone straight on the matter when he was here. ;D




Where is Carl? Is he still posting over at the deuce? He seemed pretty level-headed... the type of guy who may or may not say "I told you so"...

[FunnyMoney]

Carl and HT(HyperTiger) had a many page debate that was spot on during GIM1. It walked every detail through and the last post by TFA (TruthFromAbove), who was in on the action, was that in the end the exponential curve of debt would simple cause the FED to inflate it away which is simply an expansion of the both on the record and "off-book" QE we see today.

I believe we are now entering what TFA said would be the logical outcome of a massively debt laiden currency when the debt is denominated in the same currency. We should have at least another 4 to 7 years of this before the hyperinflation hits. On that other thread neither HT nor Carl disagreed with TFA and pretty much the thread ended at that point, with a few "looking on" members who simply posted some agreements and misc. details.

I would provide you the link, but I think you understand that's no longer possible.

[Horn]

I'm almost afraid to click the link, but remember well HT saying it would end in deflation.

Of course that would be after a huge hyperinflationary spike in which everyone ran away.

Either way it goes, the solid stuff will get more attractive.

Hard to argue with the facts anymore..



The US economy is short 5 Trillion Dollars now and at current growth rates…the deficit within the USA of money will just grow larger and larger…It will become impossible to sustain yield extraction.

Meaning that basically any money input into the global enterprise will disappear back into thin air faster than it appears.

[Glass]

I thought it was a mix of deflation and inflation. Some items will suffer deflation in pricing and may also suffer a deflation of supply levels over time. Discretionary consumer goods would fit in that category. Basically anything that was not a necessity. Then there are the essential goods such as food and energy. Food may suffer a deflation of supply but an inflation of cost because it is necessary and demand does not change too much while supply does change.

That is how I read it anyway. What was the experience during the great depression? Was there huge inflation or did supply simply adjust to demand keeping a reasonable level of equilibrium?

My personal opinion is that currency inflation or currency value degradation occurs where there is an alternative currency to go to from the main currency. In Zimbabwe's example there was the US dollar as an alternative to the local dollar. The prices we saw were in Zimbabwe dollars but no where did I see a comparison in US dollars. There definately was a black market in US dollars so it would be interesting to see how much it cost to buy those few eggs in USD commpared to Zimbabwe dollars.

As the US does not have an alternative currency to go it it may not be inflationary right away if at all. The only way I can really see it happening big time is if silver coin comes back based purely on its content value. Then you have your alternative measure. The other thing to consider is that price inflation and inflation of the economy are quite different. One is an on the street measure and the other is wholy statistical and relates to debt servicing not the purchasing of goods.

[Olmstein]

"Inflation greater than previous inflation to maximum potential is followed by inflation less than previous inflation to maximum potential."

That's all you need to know right there.

[jimswift]

For those who haven't these, its gets into exponential functions. sorry, couldn't locate one with it all in one clip :):

http://www.youtube.com/v/F-QA2rkpBSY?fs=1&hl=en_US
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb3JI8F9LQQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFyOw9IgtjY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQd-VGYX3-E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-X6EpvWWu8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3y7UlHdhAU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyseLQVpJEI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoiiVnQadwE

[Glass]

Let me just ask a quick question. If everything that is on the earth now is all that has ever been on the earth since it appeared, barring the odd meteor, then all the water that ever existed is still here and all the other matter that ever existed is still here, allowing for somethings to change their composition from gas to solid or solid to gas or one solid to another solid etc, If the human population increased to such a size that it equaled the mass of the planet within 2800 years, would that not mean that the whole of the rest of the planet combined, animal, plant, water, and mineral would have to be half as much as it was before the human population started increasing?

What mass's would move from the rest of the planet to humans? Is there enough vegetation, water and other animal mass that can be consumed into humans that would reduce the planets overall mass to half what it was before we started?

I mean, we are not going to add 100% mass to the planet because that would mean there is an outside source of materials and there just isn't. All there is is all there is.

[Trinity]

MHO? An "End Timer" disguised as an economic high priest. Hyper called for "The End" as we know it to happen in 2004. 6 years later only a fool would still listen to the guy, or an "End Timer". Plus he once bragged that he could take down the system with "just one finger" (HUGE EGO). I conclude the reason Hypertiger does not post much anymore is because he is broke, drunk, drugged out and roaming the streets of San Diego. JMVHO.

[Book]

http://mexico.vg/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/retirement-in-mexico.jpg

Only way to face the now-exploding Baby Boomer retirement/pension fixed-benefit obligation is by inflating it away. Congress is now considering eliminating the COLA increase entirely, which during the past two years has already been frozen. Deflation would make millions of geezers on FIXED incomes wealthy and that is just socially impossible.

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[Twisted Titan]

That is the nasty open secret

The COLA is NEVER going to come back.

The fact the seniors didnt riot when first passed was all proof The Elite needed to know they are more comfortable with even less.


T

[BrewTech]

The fact the seniors didnt riot


T


Seniors rioting...? Ummm... that was never going to happen.

Can you imagine?

http://www.cartoonaday.com/images/cartoons/2010/10/french-marshall-law-SENIORS-598x456.jpg

[Book]

Seniors rioting...? Ummm... that was never going to happen.

Can you imagine?



Yeah...when all these Boomers lose their Social Security their children (YOU) will take them in with a smile.

:D

[Carl]

I'm almost afraid to click the link, but remember well HT saying it would end in deflation.

Of course that would be after a huge hyperinflationary spike in which everyone ran away.

Either way it goes, the solid stuff will get more attractive.

Hard to argue with the facts anymore..



The US economy is short 5 Trillion Dollars now and at current growth rates…the deficit within the USA of money will just grow larger and larger…It will become impossible to sustain yield extraction.

Meaning that basically any money input into the global enterprise will disappear back into thin air faster than it appears.

Credit (digital money) doesn't hyperinflate, it just goes "POOF!"

It's all credit and credit can't expand unless it's borrowed and you need assets worth more than what you're borrowing to do that. Once you owe more than your assets are worth, you can't borrow anymore and your asset values go down because there is less credit to feed the value.

[FunnyMoney]

...It's all credit and credit can't expand unless it's borrowed and you need assets worth more than what you're borrowing to do that. ....


Today's money is debt based or "all credit", just as Carl said. This simply manifests itself as a transfer of wealth where the parasite gets bigger and bigger. The parasite (owners of the money) is already bigger than the host (productive workers) and still getting bigger. I think we have a long way to go still.

Ultimately the host will work for the ability to borrow, nothing more and will have no assets left. You work, you get to go into debt and have some money to buy something based on the fact that your work will allow you to pay back the debt. If you can't work, you get no credit and go poof.

[Horn]

I'm almost afraid to click the link, but remember well HT saying it would end in deflation.

Of course that would be after a huge hyperinflationary spike in which everyone ran away.

Either way it goes, the solid stuff will get more attractive.

Hard to argue with the facts anymore..



The US economy is short 5 Trillion Dollars now and at current growth rates…the deficit within the USA of money will just grow larger and larger…It will become impossible to sustain yield extraction.

Meaning that basically any money input into the global enterprise will disappear back into thin air faster than it appears.

Credit (digital money) doesn't hyperinflate, it just goes "POOF!"

It's all credit and credit can't expand unless it's borrowed and you need assets worth more than what you're borrowing to do that. Once you owe more than your assets are worth, you can't borrow anymore and your asset values go down because there is less credit to feed the value.


Much of the confusion comes within that thin line between the real & digital worlds.

If there is some way to define that clearly upfront, many of those repetitive posts may not be needed.

How's it hangin, Carl?

[woodman]

I'm almost afraid to click the link, but remember well HT saying it would end in deflation.

Of course that would be after a huge hyperinflationary spike in which everyone ran away.

Either way it goes, the solid stuff will get more attractive.

Hard to argue with the facts anymore..



The US economy is short 5 Trillion Dollars now and at current growth rates…the deficit within the USA of money will just grow larger and larger…It will become impossible to sustain yield extraction.

Meaning that basically any money input into the global enterprise will disappear back into thin air faster than it appears.

Credit (digital money) doesn't hyperinflate, it just goes "POOF!"

It's all credit and credit can't expand unless it's borrowed and you need assets worth more than what you're borrowing to do that. Once you owe more than your assets are worth, you can't borrow anymore and your asset values go down because there is less credit to feed the value.


How did that work out for Argentina? How about when the dollar looses it's reserve status and all those little dollars come back to live with Mom and Pop? The rules will change to perpetuate the game and this means the death of the dollar by inflation. We're back to the 'Bang or a Whimper' question. Doesn't matter though because ultimately the dollar is worth nothing as it is rooted in nothing except decree and when it returns to it's roots, as all fiat in the past has done, decree will be only empty words.

I guess in the end we must ask ourselves whether we believe that a dollar can become exponentially more dear. Deflation simply wont work for the bankers who hold the assets they've stolen from the rest of us through said deflation. Deflation is only a tool for robbery and when the robbery is done, they clinch the deal with inflation.

I just don't think I'll ever be buying a loaf of bread with a thin dime, unless it's a mercury.

[Spectrism]

The problem with the argument is that we all hold different understandings about what the government will do.

The deflation argument is true in the sense that there is a decreasing ability for consumers to borrow money into existence. On top of that, defaults in existing loans further crash the perceived values of real estate... making increased borrowings impossible. As government debt grows, the service on that debt should suck liquidity out of the marketplace.

BUT- here is the catch.... they ain't playing by the rules. Instead of requiring this debt currency to be borrowed into existence, we now face the real prospect of federal reserve paper swapping and without any audits, that paper could disappear. They buy a 30 year bond and flush the government (or now the open market) with FRNs. All they have to do is burn the bond. The extra "money" goes into the stock market and rich fatcats are expected to trickle down this wealth to the commoners. How stupid do they think we are? (answer: very)

The underlying problems still exist: large corrupt government eats wealth while producing nothing of value. The heavily burdened and change-prone private sector shrinks as do the jobs available. Amerika- which was the marketplace of the world, has been destroyed with no manufacturing to support its desire to purchase.

All of this leads to dollar devaluation in the face of less dollars available. It is the worst of both scenarios. Some of this is masked as other currencies are also being destroyed. The exception will be the producing nations and they will either learn to balance their economies or war will break out.

[woodman]

Add to this, the fact that our unborn children are being forced to borrow money at interest to pay our present obligations; a form of derivitave. The system simply won't function without some form of inflation. Yes, deflation is a tool they use but runaway deflation is impossible in an operating pyramid scheme. When the pyramid scheme ceases to operate it will be because it has become too top-heavy through rampant inflation. I do believe it is possible for them to perpetuate this system for quite a while if they can walk the fine line between theft\entitlement and destruction\creation (infrastructure and environment (warfare)) and giving\taking from the third world at large. Like setting the drag on a fishing reel. It isn't probable in my opinion though. "They" have a lifestyle that must be maintained and the world cannot support their weight.

All this fighting and autolysis is just the way the parasitic usury system perptuates itself. Death creates the fertile conditions for life. The problem is that a class of people (bankers, their families and their fictional corporate offspring) are using real people as farmed animals and sacrificing innocent lives to feed the machine.

[Book]

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NO JOBS. They intentionally shipped all our factories to the China Ant Hill. Simple as that.

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[Carl]

I'm almost afraid to click the link, but remember well HT saying it would end in deflation.

Of course that would be after a huge hyperinflationary spike in which everyone ran away.

Either way it goes, the solid stuff will get more attractive.

Hard to argue with the facts anymore..



The US economy is short 5 Trillion Dollars now and at current growth rates…the deficit within the USA of money will just grow larger and larger…It will become impossible to sustain yield extraction.

Meaning that basically any money input into the global enterprise will disappear back into thin air faster than it appears.

Credit (digital money) doesn't hyperinflate, it just goes "POOF!"

It's all credit and credit can't expand unless it's borrowed and you need assets worth more than what you're borrowing to do that. Once you owe more than your assets are worth, you can't borrow anymore and your asset values go down because there is less credit to feed the value.


Much of the confusion comes within that thin line between the real & digital worlds.

If there is some way to define that clearly upfront, many of those repetitive posts may not be needed.

How's it hangin, Carl?

To the right.


$900 Billion printed FRNs in circulation around the globe to cover $53 Trillion in U.S. generated credit/debt. ($390 Billion in circulation within the U.S.)

Credit (digital dollars) as a medium of exchange only works for as long as the institutions that issue and administer it remain solvent and functional. As we've seen with over 130 bank failures this year, credit (digital dollars) goes "POOF!" when the bank fails, requiring the FDIC to use its accumulated credit to re-digitize the depositors' accounts.

Once you come to the realization that no bank account of any type anywhere within the U.S. (and probably the rest of the world as well) contain any money in them, (they are all credited accounts), that all any of those bank accounts are populated with is a bank's promise to pay recorded electronically, that the small amount of cash that any bank may have on hand is purely incidental to all of the accounts it maintains, you'll realize that hyperinflation is materially, physically, imposable.

Hyperinflationists love talking about the collapse of the dollar causing hyperinflation when exactly the opposite is true; a collapse of the dollar is the destruction of credit as a medium of exchange and the financial annihilation of the institutions that issue and maintain those electronically recorded digits, which means all credit across the globe will almost instantly go “POOF!” leaving nothing behind but the debts. And that’s what almost happened in 2008.

[Low_five]

Fuck yeah.

[FreeEnergy]

What I don't like about his recent posts is that he says "you morons created it by requesting more and more credit from the banks".

Oh, poor old tired banks. Lookie, they just provided what us morons wanted, credit.

Turns the argument of the fiat fraud being the FED on its head.

After all, the darn snake offered an apple first.

[Horn]

What I don't like about his recent posts is that he says "you morons created it by requesting more and more credit from the banks".

Oh, poor old tired banks. Lookie, they just provided what us morons wanted, credit.

Turns the argument of the fiat fraud being the FED on its head.

After all, the darn snake offered an apple first.


What's with the just thinking negative? :)

[messianicdruid]

"Inflation greater than previous inflation to maximum potential is followed by inflation less than previous inflation to maximum potential."

That's all you need to know right there.


The question is: does the second part refer to deflation or disinflation?

[Low_five]

I made the first comment about inflation of prices to try to incite him to hyper-rage. It didnt work.

[Spectrism]

"Inflation greater than previous inflation to maximum potential is followed by inflation less than previous inflation to maximum potential."

That's all you need to know right there.


The question is: does the second part refer to deflation or disinflation?


The problem with Hyper's quote is it is not accurate. Inflation need not always be more than previous inflation and almost never goes to maximum potential. The world will not end with all your little moron heads going poof just because there is a time of deflation. And, in fact, there is no maximum potential reached since there is always one more federal reserve note that could have been added.

But since we are all morons, we are not supposed to know that or question his hyperness.

Another problem with the Hypertheses is that they are true in a perfect world. The corruption of this world will cover the disasters as if they never happened. What do I mean? Take the intergalactic derivatives timebomb. It is all funny money that is wagered and unfunded- even unfundable. When it blows, the script writers come in with a new shortcut and the teleprompter pulls the strings on Obama's mouth while sounds come out. How do i know? Well- it already happened in the Gulf of Mexico with BP. Once they saw how BP would blow their suicide bomb in a crowded world marketplace, they arranged a fake show and gulf oil disease suddenly vanished. (If anyone feels sick it must be from something else.) The same will happen with the bank mortgage tax evasion and interstate fraud scandal. Change the rules and shift the game.

The parties involved will get their palms greased and Amerika is given more slack on the lifeline as it plummets thousands of feet off the cliff.

[Filthy Keynes]

I prefer FOFOA's thinking. We have already experienced the hyperinflation. The choice is: will gold rise by orders of magnitude in order to satisfy the asset value, or will the asset value collapse by orders of magnitude to satisfy the gold value.

Both of these situations end the same - with gold being able to purchase orders of magnitude more.

People get so hung up about inflation vs deflation vs hyperinflation vs hyperdeflation.

The reality is that hyperINflation has the same net effect as hyperDEflation when viewed from gold's perspective.

PS: I thought HyperTiger needs to tone down his rhetoric; calling people "morons" etc is hardly the way to win respect. John Mynard Keynes wouldn't stoop that low - he merely referred to them as "peasants".

[learn2swim]

I prefer FOFOA's thinking. We have already experienced the hyperinflation. The choice is: will gold rise by orders of magnitude in order to satisfy the asset value, or will the asset value collapse by orders of magnitude to satisfy the gold value.

Both of these situations end the same - with gold being able to purchase orders of magnitude more.

People get so hung up about inflation vs deflation vs hyperinflation vs hyperdeflation.

The reality is that hyperINflation has the same net effect as hyperDEflation when viewed from gold's perspective.

PS: I thought HyperTiger needs to tone down his rhetoric; calling people "morons" etc is hardly the way to win respect. John Mynard Keynes wouldn't stoop that low - he merely referred to them as "peasants".


The proles works well.

[DMac]

Hypertiger is too much of a doom worshiper. There is no escape, morons!!!

Kiss off. I have never once read a hypertiger blog where actual solutions or competitive systems are discussed. It is always an observation on the current paradigm and how everyone is an idiot for not seeing it the way he does.

Newsflash to hypertiger: if you're so smart and in the know, man up and do something about it. Your rants have become virtually worthless as you repeat the same lines ad nauseam. One trick pony comes to mind.