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sunshine05
12th November 2010, 05:09 PM
This is a good article. People are pushing back. If you get a chance, click on the link and read some of the comments.




Pilots and passengers rail at new airport patdowns


By Jeremy Pelofsky

WASHINGTON | Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:16pm EST

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Stepped-up security screening at airports in the wake of foiled terrorism plots has provoked an outcry from airline pilots and travelers, including parents of children who say they are too intrusive.

With the busiest holiday travel season nearing, fliers face long security lines and new rigorous patdown checks begun in recent weeks aimed at discovering hidden explosives. As a result, some travelers are questioning whether to fly at all.

The Transportation Security Administration has ramped up airport security after two plots by al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. A Nigerian man hid a bomb in his underwear last Christmas and the group tried to send package bombs via U.S. cargo carriers but none of the explosives detonated.

To thwart such attacks, TSA is deploying body scanning machines to U.S. airports but travelers and pilots have complained about potential health risks and that they are too intrusive. The alternative is a physical patdown by a TSA officer.

"Pilots are not the terrorist threat," said John Prater, president of the Air Line Pilots Association and a veteran pilot for United Continental. "Seeing scarce security resources being used on pilots makes absolutely no sense."

Some pilots, male and female, have complained the patdowns make them feel uncomfortable. The group urged any pilot who feels unfit for duty afterward to "call in sick and remove themselves from the trip."

That has prompted urgent talks between the pilots' group and TSA Administrator John Pistole. The two sides hope to resolve the matter in a few weeks, Prater said.

'GATEWAY TO COMMERCE'

Executives from the travel industry, including online travel sites, theme parks and hotels, were set to meet Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Pistole on Friday to discuss their concerns that security is crimping travel.

"We have received hundreds of e-mails and phone calls from travelers vowing to stop flying," said Geoff Freeman, an executive vice president of the U.S. Travel Association, which set up the meeting with the Obama administration officials.

"You can't talk on the one hand about creating jobs in this country and getting this economy back on track and on the other hand discourage millions of Americans from flying, which is the gateway to commerce," he said.

Privacy groups have challenged the new body scanners in court, saying they are a violation of privacy and illegal. Lawmakers plan to hold hearings on aviation security next week when they return to Washington.

Some travelers are also livid about how children are being screened. During a trip last Sunday by a father and son through Orlando airport in Florida, the 8-year-old boy was selected for extra screening by TSA after going through the metal detector.

The father said the officer described the procedure before conducting it. Then he patted down the boy in the open security area, using the backside of his hands to check his genital area, he said.

"I didn't think it was going to be as horrible as he was describing," said the boy's father, Bill, who works as a lobbyist in Washington and did not want his full name used.

"We spend my child's whole life telling him that only mom, dad and a doctor can touch you in your private area, and now we have to add TSA agent and that's just wrong," he told Reuters. "At some point the terrorists have won."

TSA defends the body scanners as safe and says the devices and friskings are key tools to help detect hidden explosives.

"While for security reasons we can't get into the specifics about our security procedures, our officers are trained to work with parents to ensure a respectful process for families and we are reviewing our policies for children," the agency said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AA55S20101111

willie pete
12th November 2010, 05:41 PM
look whats running TSA... :D 90% of the pilots don't even want to participate in the FFDO program because its so asinine....linky here http://www.secure-skies.org/Pilots_In_Cockpit.php the jist is; pilots HAVE to keep their weapon Locked in a box... :D ..instead of holstered in the cockpit

1970 silver art
12th November 2010, 05:47 PM
Hmmmmm..............So you can either get scannned or get "fingered". Sounds like two excellent choices to me. :sarc:

Thank you Sunshine05 for posting this story. This story is just another reason to NEVER get on an airplane to get somewhere. I would rather, for example, drive 12 hours to get to a destination as opposed to getting on an airplane to get there faster. I will NEVER get on an airplane.

gunDriller
12th November 2010, 05:51 PM
if i was a lecherous TSA employee, i'd want to be groping the stewardesses.

not the pilots.

Glass
12th November 2010, 06:39 PM
You can't talk on the one hand about creating jobs in this country and getting this economy back on track and on the other hand discourage millions of Americans from flying, which is the gateway to commerce," he said.

yeah you can. the objective is being achieved. everything is going to plan. soon no one will be flying.

midnight rambler
12th November 2010, 07:05 PM
So who hasn't gotten the memo by now that the state considers every last one of us a fukking criminal, including the pilots?

StackerKen
12th November 2010, 07:49 PM
The TSA's Sense of Humor

http://gizmodo.com/5688087/the-tsas-sense-of-humor-makes-me-nervous

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?t=123147

Twisted Titan
13th November 2010, 07:51 AM
The Airlines will be subsidized as the ridership plumments.


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madfranks
13th November 2010, 12:47 PM
Guilty until proven innocent.

sunshine05
13th November 2010, 01:20 PM
My husband flew to Honduras this AM for a scuba trip. On the first leg of the trip they asked him to go through the scanner and he refused. They took him to the pat-down area and he bitched a little, said it was like the gestapo, etc. So the guy called over the supervisor and my husband said he was all tough guy, saying things like "we need to keep things safe!" and "think about all the people who have died from terrorists". My husband said "I'm a combat veteran!". He showed him his Marine tattoo and the supervisor walked off. They did pat him down but did not touch the crotch area. The good news is he said they were having to screen a lot of people because everyone was refusing to go through the scanners:).