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Twisted Titan
13th November 2010, 04:47 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/No-Inflation-Grocery-Stores-cnbc-1559291069.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode

No Inflation? Grocery Stores, Gas Prices Tell Different Story


From grocery stores to gas stations and most other consumer stops in between, price inflation is shaping up to be the biggest economic story ahead.



Whether it's how much you'll pay for home heating oil or a loaf of bread, don't believe the non-hype: Even if traditional measures of consumer prices aren't yet showing major increases, consumers know what they see.

"It's not good news from a whole variety of perspectives," says Nicholas Colas, chief investment strategist at BNY ConvergEx in New York. "Food inflation is getting very bad and that's just bad news for the majority of consumers who are still stretched. It's bad news for the 42 million people who are on food stamps."

Price inflation is coming primarily from upward global pressure on commodities like the multiple grains that go into food production as well as heating oil and gasoline that power the world's growing economies.

It's also being driven by a weak dollar, which has continued to fall in value as the Federal Reserve has printed more and more money to pay for programs it hopes will stimulate growth.

But while unemployment remains stuck at 9.6 percent and the housing market is still near its recession lows, consumers are about to get smacked with a barrage of higher prices.

The impact is amplified because wages remain mostly stagnant, though a wage increase would make total inflation pressure as measured through more conventional governmental metrics even worse.



Colas saw it on a small scale when he recently bought a candy bar at his office's vending machine and noticed a 10-cent increase, but that's only the beginning.

"It's a headwind" for the economic recovery, he says. "Near-term, really strong inflation is going to be in a horse race in terms of the Fed's strategy to reinvigorate the economy and increasing prices that will hurt consumer confidence."

So even if measures like the Consumer Price Index and the tally of food prices from the Bureau of Labor Statistics don't outwardly show inflation yet, it won't be long.

General Mills (NYSE:GIS - News) recently said a quarter of its cereal brands will see single-digit price increases soon, and Kraft Foods (NYSE:KFT - News) plans to hike prices on about half of its products. McDonald's (NYSE:MCD - News), Nestle and Unilever (NYSE:UN - News) are among those expected to follow suit.

And a new survey from MKM Partners shows prices at Wal-Mart (NYSE:WMT - News), the world's largest retailer, have risen 0.6 percent in just the last two months.



In the meantime, regular unleaded gasoline is now $2.88 a gallon nationwide, up 6 cents in just the past week and about a quarter over the past two months-and an even longer way from the sub-$2 level of March 2009.

"For most of the year food price inflation has really been pretty tame. But there are indications that inflation is going to be on the rise for the next six to nine months," says Ephraim Leibtag, senior economist at the Department of Agriculture's Economic Research Service. "There's a bigger concern that with an improved economy that prices are going to rise even more."

To be sure, shoppers won't be paying more for everything as the upcoming holiday season is expected to show price discounts for goods such as clothing and technology. But for everyday consumer staples like food and energy, the news is not good.

Economic improvements are coming not so much in the US as they are from developing and developed economies around the globe, where consumers are demanding more of the materials used to produce food and speculators are trying to cash in on price gains in those commodities.

Indeed, the surge in commodities has been parabolic.

The Standard & Poor's GSCI agricultural commodities index is up 25 percent for the year and 16 percent in the last quarter alone. Among the big gainers: cotton (90 percent for the year), coffee (45 percent) and Kansas wheat (31 percent). Sugar's price has zoomed 26 percent in the fourth quarter, while corn, which is used to make so many other products, is up 20 percent for the year.

Yet BLS data show moves only in select areas when it comes to what consumers see on their grocer's shelves.

A loaf of bread, for instance, cost $1.38 in September, up just 2 cents since January. Ground beef also was up only a few cents, to $2.30 a pound, while eggs actually fell 3 cents to $1.75 a dozen.

On the other hand, butter was the big gainer, jumping to $3.57 a pound, a 29 percent increase for 2010. Coffee rose 36 cents a pound to $4.17, a 9.5 percent gain, while pork chops jumped a quarter a pound to $3.34, an 8 percent increase.

Leibtag confirmed it would be dairy and beef where consumers would get hit hardest, while things that aren't consumed directly but are used to make other products will take longer to have an impact.

"Our forecast for right now is that beef and pork products specifically will be on the higher end of the range," he says. "There are going to be impacts down the road as well for cereals and grains. It just takes longer to get through the system."



Energy is another story, and one that doesn't get any better for consumers.

Crude oil (BIS: US@CL.1) had been trading in a $70 to $80 a barrel range for much the year but seems to have made a sustained break higher.

Oil likely is on its way to $100 a barrel in the coming months, making home heating costs likely to jump as well, says Todd Horwitz, chief strategist for the Adam Mesh Trading Group in New York.

"This has the chance to get ugly," he says. "You've got commodities across the globe exploding like you have not seen before."

Monetary policy also isn't helping.

The Federal Reserve's various quantitative easing (QE) mechanisms to grow the economy-the latest round (QE2) will involve the purchase of another $600 billion in Treasurys-are helping to weaken the dollar and drive up inflation expectations.



"Does QE2 help middle America? No, it just makes everything more expensive for middle America," banking analyst Meredith Whitney said in a CNBC interview Thursday. "I think that is a complicated policy and a dangerous policy to take things that much further."

The good news? Analysts have upgraded revenue expectations for companies that benefit from higher commodity costs, such as farm equipment manufacturers, miners and large multinationals, despite the expected slow growth of the US economy.

"[I]t does seem clear that weak/dollar commodity inflation is beginning to seep into analysts' expectations," Colas, of ConvergEx, wrote in a note to clients. "It took some time-the dollar has been weakening much of the year-but analysts have clearly caught on and begun to model the current state of affairs into loftier revenue targets for the next few quarters."

Gains for big business likely will come as cold comfort for Americans under the weight of price pressures.

"Higher global food prices in particular will put further upward pressure on headline inflation in many economies in the coming months, particularly the US and those emerging economies where food has a high weight in the consumer price basket," Julian Jessop, chief international economist at Capital Economics in London, wrote in a research note.

"This does not necessarily mean that the Fed has made a mistake and is about to set off an inflationary spiral...But the hit on the real income of consumers is another reason to expect the economic recovery to disappoint."

Twisted Titan
13th November 2010, 04:49 PM
This does not necessarily mean that the Fed has made a mistake and is about to set off an inflationary spiral...But the hit on the real income of consumers is another reason to expect the economic recovery to disappoint."


No the Fed doesnt make mistakes ..............it does it on purpose

Carl
13th November 2010, 05:03 PM
Prices can only rise for as long as people have money to buy.

For every 1 cent rise in gas prices $400 million is sucked out of the economy.

Think about it, where are the people going to get the money to replace it?


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Book
13th November 2010, 05:16 PM
Two years in a row Congress did not give COLA increases to Social Security.

Grandma and grandpa don't buy food or fuel or medicine?

:oo-->

old steel
13th November 2010, 06:01 PM
Two years in a row Congress did not give COLA increases to Social Security.

Grandma and grandpa don't buy food or fuel or medicine?

:oo-->


Food subsidized with food stamps, medicine subsidized by medicare all Government money.

That is 2 out of 3. ;D

Trinity
13th November 2010, 07:21 PM
Prices can only rise for as long as people have money to buy.

For every 1 cent rise in gas prices $400 million is sucked out of the economy.

Think about it, where are the people going to get the money to replace it?


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First off the money didn't end up in a black hole, someone or persons received the monies that were spent. As far as where are people getting money? Some are working, some are on government aid, some work for the government, some work for the military, some work in healthcare, etc. Plenty of people are making money during this recession, they are just keeping quiet about it.

Plastic
13th November 2010, 08:04 PM
It cost me 706.00 to fill just one of my damned LP gas tanks for winter heating this year, talk about feeling raped. Last year it cost me 400.00 for the same 500 gallon tank 800.00 total for the winter, damn near double in a single year.... The lady on the phone remembered me due to several years worth of purchases and said I was lucky I ordered when I did as the price is going to rise again monday morning.

1.60 a gallon for LP gas and it is only going up from here.

Deflation and a strong dollar my ass.

old steel
13th November 2010, 08:07 PM
It cost me 706.00 to fill just one of my damned LP gas tanks for winter heating this year, talk about feeling raped. Last year it cost me 400.00 for the same 500 gallon tank 800.00 total for the winter, damn near double in a single year.... The lady on the phone remembered me due to several years worth of purchases and said I was lucky I ordered when I did as the price is going to rise again monday morning.

1.60 a gallon for LP gas and it is only going up from here.

Deflation and a strong dollar my ass.



Well they know things you can't go without like food and fuel are necessities so they will hike them up no matter just because they can.

Plastic
13th November 2010, 08:13 PM
I hear you there, if I had the FRN's I'd buy a cryogenic plant. build a huge methane digester and liquify my own damned fuel saying up yours to the gas company.


Hrrrrrmmmmmm, I wonder how much a used cryogenic plant costs these days, you know, the same thing they make liquid oxygen/nitrogen/dry ice with.

BillBoard
13th November 2010, 08:31 PM
With a lot of people going out of business there is a lot of supply destruction. And in a ironic twist, those business that survive have to charge more due to the lack of money from their customers that are price out of the market because they don't have any money. That is to say, the surviving businesses fixed overhead expenses are pretty much inelastic, and many people that had access to money no longer have that access to money because they have lost their job.

Shami-Amourae
14th November 2010, 03:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k

Glass
14th November 2010, 04:22 AM
our electricity is up 26% this year with 15% next year and 15% the following. Natural Gas up 45% over same period.

Electricity is bought at $0.05 per kilowatt hour. Sold at $0.2193 per kilowatt hour. 400% markup. Producers are private, retailer (to households) is Govt. Only 1 retailer.... about 400 producers of which 5 produce about 80%. Cost of production - $0.04

Same applies for almost everything. Potatoes. All producers sell to potato board. Wheat. All producers sell to wheat board. Milk. Slightly different but producers are paid below production cost @ $0.22c per litre. Retail price - $1.60/litre.

mick silver
14th November 2010, 07:50 AM
the more gas go up the less money that will be spent on xmas so there go more workers on the no work list

Carl
14th November 2010, 09:51 AM
Prices can only rise for as long as people have money to buy.

For every 1 cent rise in gas prices $400 million is sucked out of the economy.

Think about it, where are the people going to get the money to replace it?

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First off the money didn't end up in a black hole, someone or persons received the monies that were spent. As far as where are people getting money? Some are working, some are on government aid, some work for the government, some work for the military, some work in healthcare, etc. Plenty of people are making money during this recession, they are just keeping quiet about it.
WOW, you must've thought about, what, a whole 10 seconds?

I'm gonna give you a chance to think about it again and remember, we buy most of our oil from the Middle East.



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Carl
14th November 2010, 09:52 AM
our electricity is up 26% this year with 15% next year and 15% the following. Natural Gas up 45% over same period.

Electricity is bought at $0.05 per kilowatt hour. Sold at $0.2193 per kilowatt hour. 400% markup. Producers are private, retailer (to households) is Govt. Only 1 retailer.... about 400 producers of which 5 produce about 80%. Cost of production - $0.04

Same applies for almost everything. Potatoes. All producers sell to potato board. Wheat. All producers sell to wheat board. Milk. Slightly different but producers are paid below production cost @ $0.22c per litre. Retail price - $1.60/litre.
How much has your pay increased?


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willie pete
14th November 2010, 10:41 AM
Prices can only rise for as long as people have money to buy.

For every 1 cent rise in gas prices $400 million is sucked out of the economy.

Think about it, where are the people going to get the money to replace it?

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First off the money didn't end up in a black hole, someone or persons received the monies that were spent. As far as where are people getting money? Some are working, some are on government aid, some work for the government, some work for the military, some work in healthcare, etc. Plenty of people are making money during this recession, they are just keeping quiet about it.
WOW, you must've thought about, what, a whole 10 seconds?

I'm gonna give you a chance to think about it again and remember, we buy most of our oil from the Middle East.



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Sorry but most of your oil imports are from Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela are second, third and fourth.

From the US dept of energy.
http://www.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/images/facts/fotw246.gif


Here's another link
Top seven suppliers of oil to the US
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/100726/top-7-us-oil-importers


I was wondering...if the amount of oil the US purchases from Canada is capped? regarding the US; why doesn't/ or could it purchase all of Canada's oil for export?

Carl
14th November 2010, 11:15 AM
Sorry but most of your oil imports are from Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela are second, third and fourth.
And that changes the underlying fact (dollars leaving the U.S. economy) how?

And you still haven't explained how price increases produces more money available to buy.

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willie pete
14th November 2010, 11:24 AM
I was wondering...if the amount of oil the US purchases from Canada is capped? regarding the US; why doesn't/ or could it purchase all of Canada's oil for export?


Probably not as the US pretty much owns ( hold ) Canada by the balls.

Think is, If the US doesn't control the middle east...Which country might be tempted to give a shot at it ?

China perhaps ? strait inland pipeline route must pass thru afghanistan ( forgot we are already there... )

To slow down china, one must control the flow of energy to that country, most of China's import are from the sea ( read not very secure in a blockade ...)
We now pretty much control the source ( except Iran ) and we are trying to control a possible pipeline route to China.

Trick is to hold China by the balls with energy .
Easier said than done but worth the try.


I think "control" is too strong of a description....maybe more like "influence" ...why hold China "by the balls" with energy? ..they're own their way to owning the US... :D I'd think it'd be the opposite, you'd want to increase their economy so they can Buy more goods from the US...get back some of those dollars they hold ....no? ..and I think the oil pipeline through Afghanistan idea was scrapped long ago....no?

Carl
14th November 2010, 11:36 AM
You really want to know ?

Ok then, 2% a year :whip
When your pay increases to the point that those prices fall into the affordability range, then we'll discuss inflation, until then, they’re just draining available liquidity out of the system, which will increase the velocity of defaults and bankruptcies.

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Carl
14th November 2010, 12:04 PM
just correcting a fact that was erroneous ...Don't feel offended by it ! Not offended by a correction that underscores my point, it's welcomed.



dollars leaving the U.S. economy, how ?---> less export by america vs. a lot of import ( Balance of trade not in our favor ) So, you quote me out of context, just so you can repeat my point? OK.........


still haven't explained how price increases produces more money available to buy.---> Usually, it is the other way around which means... more money available in the system ( QE ) entails price increase across the board soon after.

Oh, then we have full employment, wages are increasing and full productive utilization. Thank you, from the data, I would've never guessed that we were dealing with demand pull inflation. And here I was thinking it was Wall Street instigated, cost push inflation, silly me...................

Carl
14th November 2010, 12:10 PM
You really want to know ?

Ok then, 2% a year :whip
When your pay increases to the point that those prices fall into the affordability range, then we'll discuss inflation,(Sorry but this is called a raise, a promotion or a big end of the year bonus )

...then we'll discuss inflation...
until then, they’re just draining available liquidity out of the system, which will increase the velocity of defaults and bankruptcies.

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Ever heard of the term STAGFLATION ?

Here's the simplified definition : In economics, stagflation is the situation when both the inflation rate and the unemployment rate are high. It is a difficult economic condition for a country, because then inflation and economic stagnation are occurring simultaneously.
If you desire to believe it's stagflation, go right ahead, who am I to try and convince you otherwise.

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cthulu
14th November 2010, 12:27 PM
In war, enemies often weaken their opponents through a tactic known as seige.


A siege is a military blockade of a city or fortress with the intent of conquering by attrition or assault. The term derives from sedere, Latin for "to sit".[1] Generally speaking, siege warfare is a form of constant, low intensity conflict characterized by one party holding a strong, static defensive position.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege

That is what the elite are doing to the US, but the sad fact is they've already conquered this country and are doing it to further tighten their grip on the sheeple.

Combine this with false-flag economic terrorism, whereby the fed intentionally destroys the economy, blames it on another country, and then starts pumping out anti-foreigner propaganda, such as anti-China, anti-(muslim country), and you easily arouse the sheeple's emotions of hatred and desire to destroy. I still think this whole thing is about starting another war. America is the nwo's military wing.

Carl
14th November 2010, 12:30 PM
You ask me a question, i gave an answer and you say i quoted you out of context ?????? :lol

This:
And that changes the underlying fact (dollars leaving the U.S. economy) how?

was my question.



Full employment and wages increase ??? I have never said that, you just pulled that out of your *ss... Better read the definition of stagflation again and let it sink in...
Geez dude, the conversation is in print, why don't you try going back through it and reading it in sequence before you post.

old steel
14th November 2010, 01:31 PM
You ask me a question, i gave an answer and you say i quoted you out of context ?????? :lol

This:
And that changes the underlying fact (dollars leaving the U.S. economy) how?

was my question.



Full employment and wages increase ??? I have never said that, you just pulled that out of your *ss... Better read the definition of stagflation again and let it sink in...


Geez dude, the conversation is in print, why don't you try going back through it and reading it in sequence before you post.




i will not argue up to the "special Olympics" level you seem to drag me on to.

But i can say that U.S. money that goes to Canada has a stronger change of being reinvested in the U.S. . Even greater are the chances now that the U.S. dollar is roughly at par with the CA$. A lot of Canadian are buying online and during their vacations in the US. Also, our now "conservative" gvt. is buying riot gear and military equipment from the U.S.




You must live in a different part of Canada i don't know of anyone who vacations in the USA other than a few snowbirds who drive down their RV's to escape the winter.

Now about this curious post on riot gear and military equipment which i have heard from other sources including new Bio/chemical type suits for urban warfare.

I guess that tells you about their plans as the economy slowly tanks and dies.

Carl
14th November 2010, 01:41 PM
i will not argue up to the "special Olympics" level you seem to drag me on to. I think that if you wish for people to believe that I'm at fault for the degradation in quality of this conversation then you might want to go back and delete your posts first.


But i can say that U.S. money that goes to Canada has a stronger change of being reinvested in the U.S. . Even greater are the chances now that the U.S. dollar is roughly at par with the CA$. A lot of Canadian are buying online and during their vacations in the US. Also, our now "conservative" gvt. is buying riot gear and military equipment from the U.S.
Why do you insist upon introducing inanely trivial crap that will have absolutely no effect upon the outcome? Canadians don't get the money from oil sales to the U.S., the oil companies do, and not everyone in Canada works for the oil companies, just as not everyone in the U.S. works for the military industrial complex.

Please PM me your address so I can send you a dollar, hopfully you can use it to buy a clue.



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