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BillBoard
14th November 2010, 08:43 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/personalfinance/stories/DN-perfi_13bus.ART.State.Edition1.3ca0764.html
If your bank fails, breathe easy; your deposits are covered
12:28 PM CST on Saturday, November 13, 2010
By PAMELA YIP / The Dallas Morning News
pyip@dallasnews.com

News of a financial institution's collapse can send chills down the spines of depositors who fear that their money is gone forever.

If that should happen to you, don't panic.

"A bank failure is a seamless process to insured depositors," said Greg Hernandez, spokesman for the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., which insures deposits in banks and savings and loans for up to $250,000.

"As long as they're under the $250,000 insured limit, their money is safe. No one has lost a penny of insured deposits, and no one ever will."

This year, 143 banks have collapsed – more than all of last year – and analysts expect more will go under. From 160 to 200 banks are estimated to close this year, and a similar number is expected next year.

If your financial institution adds to these statistics, here's what you need to know:

When a bank fails, the FDIC notifies each depositor in writing using the depositor's address on record with the bank. For that reason, it's important that you make sure your financial institution has your current address.

In most cases, another institution will take over the failed one.

"The one thing they [consumers] will notice the next time they either come in physically to their bank or go online, they will notice that their bank has a new name," Hernandez said.

Despite the name change, consumers should be able to continue using their checks, online banking, debit and ATM cards.

When a failed bank is acquired by another bank, the assuming bank also notifies the depositors of the change, usually in the next bank statement.

Credit unions have a similar process, though "credit union failures are rare," said Dick Ensweiler, president and chief executive of the Texas Credit Union League.

"When a federally insured credit union fails, it is either liquidated or purchased and assumed by another financial institution," said John McKechnie, director of public and congressional affairs at the National Credit Union Administration.

"The second option is one that NCUA attempts to pursue, since it means the members will continue to receive financial services in an uninterrupted fashion."

However, if a federally insured credit union is liquidated, the NCUA "immediately begins the process of verifying account balances, disbursing insured funds to members, contacting creditors, and managing remaining assets," McKechnie said.

Is my money safe?

Let's be clear: The FDIC insures up to $250,000 per depositor, per insured bank, for each ownership category, such as accounts owned by one person, joint accounts and IRAs.

This includes principal and accrued interest.

But there are ways to structure accounts so that deposits exceeding $250,000 are insured.

For example, joint accounts are insured up to $250,000 per account holder. So, a joint account held by a husband and wife is insured for a total of $500,000.

Similarly, accounts at credit unions are insured up to $250,000 per account holder by the National Credit Union Share Insurance Fund, which is administered by the National Credit Union Administration.

Exceeding the limit

There are two possible outcomes for consumers whose accounts exceed the $250,000 insurance limit.

In the majority of cases, "the acquiring institution takes all deposits, including those that are over the insured limit" and operations go on as usual, said Hernandez of the FDIC.

But, if the agency can't find another financial institution to take over the failed banks' operations, depositors will quickly get a check for their insured funds. Customers with accounts exceeding the insurance limit then will be paid some or all of their uninsured deposits, depending on how much the FDIC is able to recover by selling the bank's assets.

"If you're over the $250,000 insured limit, then you are owed this much, and when the bank liquidates all remaining assets, you will be next in line before shareholders and creditors to get your money back," Hernandez said.

Payouts are rare because, in most cases, the FDIC can find another bank to take over a failed institution, he said.

What about loans?

This is where it can get tricky, said Bert Ely, a financial industry consultant in Alexandria, Va.

"If you have a borrowing relationship with the bank, that's where we're hearing the complaints," he said. "The problem is that the credit gets cut off."

Ely said this primarily affects open lines of credit that can be tapped repeatedly, such as home equity lines of credit, working capital loans for businesses and construction loans.

"If they have some open lines of credit, this has been a problem in some failures, particularly where the [failed] bank did a lot of lousy lending," Ely said.

What's more, loan applications pending with the failed bank may get gummed up.

"Everything gets frozen," Ely said.

According to Hernandez, there is no requirement for an acquiring bank to take over loans or loan applications of the failing bank.

In general, however, an acquiring institution will take over credit card accounts, Hernandez said.

"Credit cards are considered loans and the terms can't be changed by the acquiring bank," he said.

The bottom line for customers of federally insured financial institutions is they can breathe easy – there are safety nets in place if the bank fails.

However, you will need to stay on top of the process and read all communications from banking regulators and the institution taking over the failed bank. It's your money, after all.

Sparky
14th November 2010, 09:21 PM
I have little doubt that depositors will get their money, up to $250,000 if TSHTF. The questions are:

1) How long will it take to get the money? (After the store shelves have already been stripped clean?)
2) How much purchasing power will it have by the time they get it?

Filthy Keynes
14th November 2010, 09:28 PM
Don't you loveeeee looooovvvveeee it when they use the term "MONEY" when they really mean "a promise to pay money". Once your eyes are opened to this "money" it's impossible to see the world the same ever again.

To this end I have never actually been paid any money at all for any of the many jobs I have had in my career. I was paid in "promises to pay". I refer to paper money as "coupons" nowadays.

madfranks
14th November 2010, 10:00 PM
2) How much purchasing power will it have by the time they get it?


How many people on the street understand this concept, purchasing power? A dollar is a dollar is a dollar, it can't be any other way. ::)

Glass
14th November 2010, 10:03 PM
When someone deposits money with a bank. They no longer own the money. They have deposed it. What they get is a certificate of record, receipt of the transaction. The bank has no obligation to give them the money back but does so while it can (is in operation) because to do otherwise would result in other people hearing of this and not deposing their money there as well.

The activation of guarantee (claiming the benefit offered by the guarantee i.e. pay to claimant upto $250K) in no way results in the bank paying the money out. The guarantee money, if ever called upon is paid by another party. The other party is the guarantor or Government.

It is therefore a shell game in waiting to be called into action if required. It's purpose is to anaesthetise the masses.

All funds will be paid in scrip/IUO/coupons on proof of claim.

Filthy Keynes
14th November 2010, 10:17 PM
When someone deposits money with a bank. They no longer own the money. They have deposed it. What they get is a certificate of record, receipt of the transaction.


It gets mind-numbingly worse once we call "money" a debt obligation, or a "receipt of debt". So then we are depositing debt receipts and receiving a receipt of our receipt. F'd up system. F'd in the head.

BillBoard
15th November 2010, 02:00 AM
I was waiting for you guys to comment as to why an article like this was appearing in an MSN.

Is like they are preparing the masses not to make a run for their deposits once they hear their bank has failed if they have on deposit less than $250K.

Glass
15th November 2010, 02:53 AM
It's purpose is to anaesthetise the masses.



I'm with ya ;)

gunDriller
15th November 2010, 06:11 AM
"A bank failure is a seamless process to insured depositors,"


... until it isn't.

Ragnarok
15th November 2010, 06:54 AM
I have no bank accounts, so it's not even a concern for me.

And when the cash itself fails I still have some lawful money.

R.

Twisted Titan
15th November 2010, 07:26 AM
When someone deposits money with a bank. They no longer own the money. They have deposed it. What they get is a certificate of record, receipt of the transaction.


It gets mind-numbingly worse once we call "money" a debt obligation, or a "receipt of debt". So then we are depositing debt receipts and receiving a receipt of our receipt. F'd up system. F'd in the head.



Which is why banks fight like rabid dogs to get you to have a automatic "deposit" once it hits there system they can do what they will with it.

That is also why most banks frown just cashing a check on a business.... they do everything they can to grieve the cashee so they will open a acct in their bank as well.


I never thought about it in those ways.

T

Silver Rocket Bitches!
15th November 2010, 08:08 AM
Prophetic words from the ugliest jew in the land:

"We can guarantee cash benefits as far out and at whatever size you like, but we cannot guarantee their purchasing power." -Alan Greenspan

Low Pan
15th November 2010, 09:21 AM
Prophetic words from the ugliest jew in the land:

"We can guarantee cash benefits as far out and at whatever size you like, but we cannot guarantee their purchasing power." -Alan Greenspan


says it all right there

Sparky
15th November 2010, 11:54 AM
Which is why banks fight like rabid dogs to get you to have a automatic "deposit" once it hits there system they can do what they will with it.

That is also why most banks frown just cashing a check on a business.... they do everything they can to grieve the cashee so they will open a acct in their bank as well.


I never thought about it in those ways.

T


I was amongst the last holdouts against direct deposit in my organization. I lost. Interestingly, people were incredulous that I wanted the ability to receive and parse my paycheck on my own terms.

Carl
16th November 2010, 10:09 AM
Federal Reserve notes are legal tender currency notes. The twelve Federal Reserve Banks issue them into circulation pursuant to the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. A commercial bank belonging to the Federal Reserve System can obtain Federal Reserve notes from the Federal Reserve Bank in its district whenever it wishes. It must pay for them in full, dollar for dollar, by drawing down its account with its district Federal Reserve Bank.

That's part of the reason why banks "fight like rabid dogs to get you to have a automatic "deposit"". Giving you FRNs, costs the banks FRNs.


Once you come to the realization that no bank account of any type anywhere within the U.S. (and probably the rest of the world as well) contain any money in them, (they are all credited accounts). That all any of those bank accounts are populated with is a bank's promise to pay recorded electronically, that the small amount of cash that any bank may have on hand is purely incidental to all of the accounts it maintains, you'll realize that hyperinflation is materially, physically, imposable.


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Hatha Sunahara
16th November 2010, 10:23 AM
There is a movement afoot in France to have all French people withdraw their money from the banks on December 7, 2010.

This has some interesting implications. We shall see if people do it. If they do, we will see how the banks react. I don't know if there is a Deposit Insurance law in France, but the banking system will be tested if people all flock to the banks on Dec 7 to get their money.

My guess is that people know that the banking system will collapse, and they won't withdraw their money because they know the first ones there will get what the banks have, and everyone else will get zip, nada, nichts, nichevo, zero. And whatever the equivalent word in French is.

I'm not holding my breath till December 7.


Hatha

Libertytree
16th November 2010, 10:35 AM
Which is why banks fight like rabid dogs to get you to have a automatic "deposit" once it hits there system they can do what they will with it.

That is also why most banks frown just cashing a check on a business.... they do everything they can to grieve the cashee so they will open a acct in their bank as well.


I never thought about it in those ways.

T


I was amongst the last holdouts against direct deposit in my organization. I lost. Interestingly, people were incredulous that I wanted the ability to receive and parse my paycheck on my own terms.


They're pressuring me too, it's very subtle right now but this has been going on awhile now and it's becoming more insistent each time, even to the point of offering me a $50.00 gift for enrolling in direct deposit.