Why won't God heal amputees?

[Olmstein]

Pretty in-depth exploration of the question here:

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

Makes you wonder...

[Glass]

bitter huh?

[madfranks]

How do you know God doesn't heal amputees?

[ximmy]

How do you know God doesn't heal amputees?


Because their limbs are waiting for them in heaven... :)

[solid]

It's really a stupid question to ask, let alone create a whole website on a question I can answer in just a few words...

Why doesn't God heal amputees?

Very simple. There is nothing to heal.

I was very surprised to read this post because I made a safety mistake that could have cost me a few fingers at work today. Thankfully, a coworker pointed it out to me. I owe him a few beers.

But say I did lose the fingers. It would suck, but I would still be me. There would be nothing to heal because I would be the same person, just missing a few digits.

I don't think God sees us through our bodies, but through our souls. It's our souls that make us who we are. So asking God to re-grow lost limbs...he's probably shaking his head up there. Hoping the person asking that question will eventually find peace someday.

[ximmy]

It's really a stupid question to ask, let alone create a whole website on a question I can answer in just a few words...

Why doesn't God heal amputees?

Very simple. There is nothing to heal.

I was very surprised to read this post because I made a safety mistake that could have cost me a few fingers at work today. Thankfully, a coworker pointed it out to me. I owe him a few beers.

But say I did lose the fingers. It would suck, but I would still be me. There would be nothing to heal because I would be the same person, just missing a few digits.

I don't think God sees us through our bodies, but through our souls. It's our souls that make us who we are. So asking God to re-grow lost limbs...he's probably shaking his head up there. Hoping the person asking that question will eventually find peace someday.


If you lost a middle finger, would God store it pointing up, while awaiting your arrival in heaven?

[solid]

If you lost a middle finger, would God store it pointing up, while awaiting your arrival in heaven?


It sounds like you are giving me the middle finger. I wouldn't have to wait for that...because you are giving me your middle finger with this question, no? ;D

[Sparky]

It's really a stupid question to ask, let alone create a whole website on a question I can answer in just a few words...

Why doesn't God heal amputees?

...


I think the web site is well presented. It's good that the author is seeking answers. I just happen to disagree with his conclusions.

These inquiries, however, are always addressed on a human plane, using a framework with which we are comfortable. This is always trumped by:

" 'For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
Neither are your ways my ways,' declares the Lord." -Isaiah 55:8

This response is always viewed a cop-out by non-believers, which is why it is so hard to bridge the gap between the faithful and the unfaithful. But that's why it's called "faith". It's the immovable obstacle in the discussion between believers and non-believers. Fascinating, really.

[solid]

I think the web site is well presented. It's good that the author is seeking answers. I just happen to disagree with his conclusions.

These inquiries, however, are always addressed on a human plane, using a framework with which we are comfortable. This is always trumped by:

" 'For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
Neither are your ways my ways,' declares the Lord." -Isaiah 55:8

This response is always viewed a cop-out by non-believers, which is why it is so hard to bridge the gap between the faithful and the unfaithful. But that's why it's called "faith". It's the immovable obstacle in the discussion between believers and non-believers. Fascinating, really.


Good post Sparky. It is good the author is seeking answers, but his logic is flawed and just makes no sense to me.

You can't heal what's gone. It's like asking why doesn't God heal dead people? You can't 'heal' dead. There's nothing to heal.

The author needs to understand the definition of 'heal' first. Which is,

heal (hl)
v. healed, heal·ing, heals
v.tr.
1. To restore to health or soundness; cure. See Synonyms at cure.
2. To set right; repair: healed the rift between us.
3. To restore (a person) to spiritual wholeness.

1. You can't cure or restore a missing limb. Furthermore, an amputee could have great health anyway. They are just missing parts. You can be just as healthy with or without an arm.
2. You can't repair something that's physically gone. There's nothing left to repair.
3. Perhaps the author is confused between physical wholeness and spiritual wholeness...maybe the author thinks we must be physically whole to be spiritually whole.

[madfranks]

Ximmy, you made me LOL with that one! :ROFL:

[solid]

What's even more coincidental about this thread, the same coworker this morning who spotted that my hand was in a bad spot. He is missing a leg, from a motorcycle accident years ago. He's got a prosthetic leg, and you'd never know. He walks normally just like everyone else.

What's odd, is I've seen him scratch his prosthetic leg before, as if he had an itch. I don't even think he realized he was doing that. It's not something you point out, so I've never said anything.

I've heard amputees sometimes get the feeling as if their limbs are still attached.

I wonder if that's God's way of letting us know that, our limbs are there in 'spirit', even they are not there physically. That we can be spiritually whole, even if we are not physically whole.

[solid]

Ximmy, you made me LOL with that one! :ROFL:


That was pretty funny. ;D

If wonder if today is "give men the finger" day, for Ximmy. Or is that everyday for Ximmy?

[solid]

When you really think about it, that website is an insult to amputees.

Imagine you lost an arm, and you are going about life best you can. What would say to someone, who said to you "say I hope God heals your missing arm."

You'd probably want to knock them out with your remaining arm. It's basically suggesting you are less of a person, because you are missing that arm. When in fact, you could be healthy as an ox.

Nobody asks, why doesn't God heal healthy people? Because that makes no sense, obviously. Yet, this website is asking why doesn't God heal healthy people who are amputees?

It doesn't make sense, and insults the amputee.

I doubt any amputee wants pity, from anyone.

[k-os]

I have an unreliable and slow internet connection here, but I have something to say about this and the other "Why me?" questions people have for God.

I think that everything that happens to us, whether it be good or bad, are lessons for all of us . . . for those effected by the tragedy or joy, or those events that we have witnessed, or even just heard/read about.

We are all connected, in ways that I certainly can't explain.

Why did my cousin loose her husband? To remind me to love everyone (that I love) as much as I possibly can today, because we never know when they will no longer be with us. This may sound very simple when you're talking about her loss' effect on only me. But multiply that by the hundreds of people in my cousin's life, and we've got exponential love.

As far as losing a limb . . . some of those people are REALLY inspiring. I have read stories about strength and accomplishments made by people who have faced some really horrendous disfigurements . . . and they always make me think about the little complaints I have about my body, and how insignificant those complaints really are. In short (and very simplified), other people's tragedies make me grateful for what I have. It's not that I am joyful when someone has suffered . . . I am humbled.

Perhaps tragedy happens for a reason to find something inside ourselves (a new strength, being forced to slow down, a new talent, humility, acceptance, etc.).

I apologize if this is way off of the original video, because I didn't see it yet.

[zap]

K-os, I have to agree with you, everything happens for a reason, lessons in life, to live life?

I don't know, maybe we are being tested and are supposed to learn from all our experiences.

Or maybe it is all random and shit just happens, sometimes you learn from your/other peoples experience, or sometimes you keep repeating the mistakes over and over.

Maybe acknowledging that they are lessons is a lesson in itself ?

[G2Rad]

human body is called a temple of God

it is interesting that the word temple(s) mentioned 208 times in KJV and there are 208 bones in human body

[G2Rad]

there are 27 bones in human hand and there are 27 books in NT

Christ is called right hand of God


Exo 15:6 Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.

Psa 17:7 Shew thy marvellous lovingkindness, O thou that savest by thy right hand them which put their trust in thee from those that rise up against them

[G2Rad]

human body is called a temple of God

it is interesting that the word temple(s) mentioned 208 times in KJV and there are 208 bones in human body


the spine got 33 bones.

human spine holds together the framework of the "temple" ( 208 bones of our skeleton )

Christ was 33 years old when died.

[G2Rad]

human skull got 22 bones

22 is a number of revelation


Gen 22: take thy son, thy only son

John 19:17: the place of the skull = Golgotha

there are only 22 amino acids in DNA

[G2Rad]

human skull got 22 bones

22 is a number of revelation


Gen 22: take thy son, thy only son

John 19:17: the place of the skull = Golgotha

there are only 22 amino acids in DNA


hebrew has 22 letters

[solid]

That's real interesting G2rad.

I don't think our bodies are who we are though. Our body is a tool that we use. Like a car, you get into your car and drive it, it takes you where you need to go...

That's our bodies. We use our bodies, as a tool, in life.

What makes us unique is our soul. God sees our souls, not our bodies as existence. I think this is what people need to understand, and perhaps, where folks get misguided.

[G2Rad]

That's real interesting G2rad.

I don't think our bodies are who we are though. Our body is a tool that we use. Like a car, you get into your car and drive it, it takes you where you need to go...

That's our bodies. We use our bodies, as a tool, in life.

What makes us unique is our soul. God sees our souls, not our bodies as existence. I think this is what people need to understand, and perhaps, where folks get misguided.


I can go on and on and on :)

note that 22 of Hebrew alphabet plus 24 of Greek makes 46

there are 46 chromosoms in human DNA

[G2Rad]

more of 46

two pillars of Solomon's temple were 23 + 23 = 46 cubits in length

Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
But he spake of the temple of his body.

[G2Rad]

there are 46 chromosomes, which are in 23 pairs

word "roll" mentioned 23 times in KJV

word "ark" mentioned 230 times

there where 23,000 Levite prists.

[G2Rad]

That's real interesting G2rad.

I don't think our bodies are who we are though. Our body is a tool that we use. Like a car, you get into your car and drive it, it takes you where you need to go...

That's our bodies. We use our bodies, as a tool, in life.

What makes us unique is our soul. God sees our souls, not our bodies as existence. I think this is what people need to understand, and perhaps, where folks get misguided.


our brain is antenna through which we are hooked up in this virtual reality

[G2Rad]

Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Ye shall not surely die

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil

---------------

count them

46 words exactly

[G2Rad]

death is programmed into our DNA

46 chromosomes in 23 pairs

here is how death look like

http://www.science3point0.com/genegeek/files/2010/11/chromosome.jpg

paires of chromosomes formed as crosses

the 46-23 death from the garden lives inside of us

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death

[G2Rad]

Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Ye shall not surely die
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil
---------------
46 words exactly


33 is the number of Christ. If you count the word number 33 in devil's speach, here is what you will get:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RwdH5DTKRas/SUyAHOi9h9I/AAAAAAAABPU/uzVBm6I4mBw/s400/all+seeing+eye.jpg

that is the third eye they are working to open

[G2Rad]

here is 46-th chapter of the New Testament

And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

[G2Rad]

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[G2Rad]

more of 23

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

[illumin19]

human body is called a temple of God

it is interesting that the word temple(s) mentioned 208 times in KJV and there are 208 bones in human body


Would be more interesting if u were talking about the original Hebrew word and not an English interpretation. The word temple (heykal) in Hebrew occurs 80 times.....the Hebrew word (bayith) for house is used interchangeably with temple and occurs over 2000 times.

Just an observation.....

[G2Rad]

Would be more interesting if u were talking about the original Hebrew word and not an English interpretation.

it would be. for zionists.

[illumin19]

Christ is called right hand of God



:conf:

I easily see Christ (alayhi salam) being said to be on the right hand of God (to be near).....not being the right hand though........interesting

[illumin19]

Would be more interesting if u were talking about the original Hebrew word and not an English interpretation.

it would be. for zionists.


Hmmmmm, so zionists are only interested in Hebrew? Verrrrry interesting........

[G2Rad]

:conf:

I easily see Christ (alayhi salam) being said to be on the right hand of God (to be near).....not being the right hand though........interesting


hand writing on the wall (Babilon) was made by hand of God

[G2Rad]

Would be more interesting if u were talking about the original Hebrew word and not an English interpretation.

it would be. for zionists.


Hmmmmm, so zionists are only interested in Hebrew? Verrrrry interesting........


blinded in part. seeing with one eye. seing only Old Testament

[illumin19]

:conf:

I easily see Christ (alayhi salam) being said to be on the right hand of God (to be near).....not being the right hand though........interesting


hand of God was writing on the wall in Babilon

Would u care to elaborate?

[G2Rad]

Christ's body was laying for 2 days

one day is as 1000 years

jews had to keep 2,000 cubits distance from the ark

etcetera etcetera etcetera in MANY places

time is very very close

untill times of the jentiles are over...

and puf ....

those are my times, why do I have to bother about Hebrew?

[G2Rad]

:conf:

I easily see Christ (alayhi salam) being said to be on the right hand of God (to be near).....not being the right hand though........interesting


hand of God was writing on the wall in Babilon

Would u care to elaborate?


this
http://gold-silver.us/forum/religion-and-philosophy/why-won't-god-heal-amputees/msg140826/#msg140826

http://schools.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/images/xrays/xray_hand.jpg

27 bones in the hand and 27 books of the NT

plus just look for "right hand" through the Bible

[G2Rad]

three joints make up one finger

[G2Rad]

look at the fingers

four walls, three gates

[G2Rad]

three joints make up one finger


with what did God write the 10 comendements?

with finger

three joints
but one finger

[G2Rad]

Deu 9:10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God

[G2Rad]

Psa 17:7 Shew thy marvellous lovingkindness, O thou that savest by thy right hand them which put their trust in thee from those that rise up against them.

[G2Rad]

Exo 15:6 Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.

[G2Rad]

look at the fingers

four walls, three gates


Isa 49:15 Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee.
Isa 49:16 Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me

there are three gates on each of the four walls of the city and there are four fingers and three spaces inbetween fingers

[G2Rad]

there are more signs of God's handyworks in human hand in proportions of its bones

[G2Rad]

the designer of the hand was very familiar with Fibonacci numbers

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EZWNQhIJDqs/SwJLJbbd61I/AAAAAAAAChs/oWiEIygF-cM/s400/Fibonacci+Spiral+galaxy+1.jpg

http://ifdawn.com/esa/ag/whirlpool.galaxy.jpg

http://www.greensage.com/ezine/11Nov07/11NovImages/rose.png

http://mbhopkins.com/images/fibonacci.gif

http://www.goldennumber.net/images/ear-spiral.jpg


http://theseabeast.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/fibonacci1.jpg

[G2Rad]

Fibonacci numbers: 0,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,....

0
1
0+1 = 2
1+2 = 3
2+3 = 5
3+5 = 8
5+8 = 13
8+13= 21
...

[bellevuebully]

Interesting stuff G2rad.

[G2Rad]

Interesting stuff G2rad.


thank you, bellevue

yeah, amazing stuff

there are many more "freakishly creepy" "coincidences" in around us

[bellevuebully]

Interesting stuff G2rad.


thank you, bellevue

yeah, amazing stuff

there are many more "freakishly creepy" "coincidences" in around us



Please, carry on.

As a note....I was listening to CBC radio coming back from hunting a week or so ago. They had the Quirks and Quarks anniversary special. That is the science based program that I believe hit it's 25th year. On the annivesary special, they brought on prominent specialists in many science fields....Quantums Physics, Genetics, Cosmology, etc. Two that I thought were particularily interesting were the cosmology and genetics experts.

When asked about the most important recent developments in the respective fields, they had some interesting things to say.

The cosmologist explained that (and this is REALLY in laymans terms, because I am not at all educated in these area's) they have come to the conclusion that prior to the formation of the universe in the way we see it, with planets and stars and such, that the universe was basically a light-emitting mash of plasma. I thought this quite an interesting statement in light (no pun intended) of Genesis account of the first day of creation.....that there was light before the sun, and celestial bodies were formed.

The genetics expert, when asked the same question, explained that in the genome research program, where they had previously identified the genes relevant to our function, had previously thought that much of the dna observed was "junk dna". Now they have discovered that this 'junk dna' is responsible for many things. The way she explained it was that the junk and the 'useful' dna were in continual communication, that the conglomeration of dna was aware of it's surroundings so to speak and that when conditions changed that required a response, the junk dna sent messages to the 'useful dna' on which proteins to manufacture, and where, when and in what quantities to use them in. I thought it to be an interesting example of design, communication and co-operation......a microcosm of our own observable reality.

I agree that the fingerprint of God is everywhere, from nature to the scriptures.

[freespirit]

Fibonacci numbers: 0,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,....

0
1
0+1 = 2
1+2 = 3
2+3 = 5
3+5 = 8
5+8 = 13
8+13= 21
...






on an interesting fibonacci sidenote, enjoy this video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS7CZIJVxFY

[gunDriller]

How do you know God doesn't heal amputees?


Because their limbs are waiting for them in heaven... :)


how about John Bobbitt ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_and_Lorena_Bobbitt

i would say that God has the ability to heal amputees, but that God also has a policy of not micro-managing.

it would be nice if God did heal amputees. i could go swimming at Salmon Creek and not worry about sharks. but God won't pay my $7000 bill for the helicopter ride to the hospital, from the beach.

if it could be settled by voting, i would vote for God to help Bethany Hamilton, a pro surfer in Hawaii who actually just had a movie made about her, "Soul Surfer". a tiger shark bit off her left arm at the shoulder and she still competes. but she is restricted by the loss of paddling power, and it's also harder for her to balance with just one arm.

http://damontucker.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/bethanyhamilton1.jpg

[solid]

i would say that God has the ability to heal amputees, but that God also has a policy of not a tiger shark bit off her left arm at the shoulder and she still competes. but she is restricted by the loss of paddling power, and it's also harder for her to balance with just one arm.


So, she's able to continue surfing and enjoy her life, and we are supposed to ask God to heal her?

It sounds like he did, or else she would have died in the shark attack.

It cracks me up that nobody can answer this simple question. The question that's actually the title of this thread. What is there to heal? This young gal is perfectly healthy! She's out surfing! You can't surf if you need healing!

People missing body parts can be perfectly healthy and happy. The choice is up to them.

[bellevuebully]

As mentioned earlier in this thread, I don't think God is so concerned with the flesh. It believe it is the soul of a person that is his primary focus. The fact is, is that we all die, we all return to the primary elements. God is eternal and so is the promise he gave us, regarding our existance after this life. Proportionally, this life as far as the flesh goes, seems quite insignificant in relation to the concept of being out of this earthly body for eternity. Jmo.

The interesting thing is that when you see people in (what we may consider) adverse physical situations, the attitude they project is a reflection of many spiritual issues.....contentment, thankfulness, fortitude, humility, or on the other hand, bitterness, entitlement, self-pity, pride.

[G2Rad]

Please, carry on.


there are four Gospels

there were four priests who carried the ark

there are four living creatures around the throne of God

it is in our heart that God reighns

our blood flows through four-chamber. four-valve heart

[G2Rad]

human DNA has two strands ( two Gospels ) joined together by four base pairs called

adenine, guanine, cytosine and thymine (Mathew, Mark, Luke and John)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA

[G2Rad]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:xyRIqY8pdPd1UM:http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq90/Catie41490/laminin.jpg&t=1

Molecule of Laminin (a protein network foundation for most cells and organs) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminin).

Laminin is the glue that holds us together. (by "us" I mean cells of our body)

[DMac]

I agree that the fingerprint of God is everywhere, from nature to the scriptures.



Oddly enough, I thought of God's fingerprint being everywhere when viewing the earwax thread a few days ago. It seems the more "clean" we become the more dirt we find inside of us. I think of these imperfections in the human body of God's way of reminding us to keep humble.

[G2Rad]

here is one more fibonachi ratio

[G2Rad]

I will continue this thread in the main forum

[G2Rad]

I will continue this thread in the main forum


posted there (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/math-of-beauty/)

[G2Rad]

more fibonachi

[G2Rad]

human body:

5 appendages to the torso ( 2 arms + 2 legs and 1 head )
5 appendages on each of these ( the fingers and toes )
5 openings on the face ( 2 eyes + 2 nosdrils + 1 mouth).
5 senses ( sight, sound, touch, taste and smell ).

the Fibonacci numbers have a closed-form solution

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/9/6/8/968be88f42e32712cb10d89a765ce708.png

where

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/f/a/7fa8167798b93466094e4eab1e8044aa.png

is the golden ratio

amazingly it is computable with four fives:

5 ^ .5 * .5 + .5 = fibonachi ratio

[G2Rad]

Playing with fibonachi numbers

body proportions
http://www.goldennumber.net/images/humanbod.gif

age stages

0Conception
1Newborn
2Infant
3Toddler/Self image
5Early child/education begins
8Child/knowing of right and wrong
13Puberty
21Young adult/can vote/education complete/beginning career, financial independancy
34Mid adult/parent
55Elder adult/eligibility for Medicare, Social Security and AARP
89The End

[G2Rad]

Psalms 37:31

The law of his God [is] in his heart;

[Bullion_Bob]

I'm surprised the guy chose to make a site about amputees over cancer.

Cancer is a horrific level of suffering, not to mention hundreds of other diseases that cause pure misery regardless of how often the victim reads the bible and follows the words.

[Olmstein]

I'm surprised the guy chose to make a site about amputees over cancer.

Cancer is a horrific level of suffering, not to mention hundreds of other diseases that cause pure misery regardless of how often the victim reads the bible and follows the words.



If you read the site, you will see why. There are examples of cancer being cured. There is not one recorded case of an amputated limb growing back.

[freespirit]

There is not one recorded case of an amputated limb growing back.


really? there are many cases of finger regrowth, i was researching extracellular matrix and found this link...
http://hubpages.com/hub/Believe-it-or-not--Regrowing-fingers-and-other-bodyparts

it seems to have strong indications that limb regrowth is not far off, anyways...

[G2Rad]

Christ was 33 years old when died.
human spine got 33 bones.
33-d word in devil's statement is "eye" (of Horus)

((more on 33)
33 is the Highest known level of freemasonry

Older News. The rescue of 33 Chilean miners happened on 10/13/10 (10+13+10=33)

News. Nasa discovered new kind of life. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/02/nasa-new-life-arsenic-bacteria_n_791094.html). Non-carbon, arsenic-based bacteria. atomic number of arsenic is 33

the original Temple of Solomon stood for 33 years

Satan has 33 different "titles" attributed to him in the old testament

There are 788,280 words in KJV. (7+8+8+2+8 = 33)