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PatColo
15th November 2010, 08:11 AM
Some may recall, Ken Feinberg was also the appointed Special Master of the U.S. Government's September 11th Victim Compensation Fund and currently serves as the Special Master for TARP Executive Compensation, popularly called the "pay czar." See original link for some embedded hyperlinks.


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BP pays stripper not fisherman (http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/bp-bs-pays-stripper-not-fisherman)

* November 15th, 2010 1:10 am ET

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/hash/e0/ab/220px_Kenneth_Feinberg.jpg
Ken Feinberg: Gov.-appointed admin.
of the BP Deepwater Horizon Disaster
Victim Compensation Fund
Photo: Wikipedia

Bleak Gulf Thanksgiving

Adding insult to physical and mental injuries in Gulf Coast communities where destitute residents are struggling with unpaid claims the, BP paid $80,000 to a stripper recently, but nothing to many fishermen. One Gulf Shores, Alabama fisherman has only been paid $15,000. - in six months.

To prevent starvation, families in Alabama fishing communities are forced to rely on eating Gulf seafood. [--a deliberate deception, sickness/cancer/death-sentence (http://gold-silver.us/forum/preparedness/should-we-be-stocking-up-on-seafood/msg123201/#msg123201), -PC] They are out of work; many BP claims are not honored; and many who worked for VOO, BP's "Vessels Of Opportunity" cleaning toxic waters and beaches, have not even been paid.

An estimated 10-25% of legitimate BP claims by Gulf Shores fisherman have not been paid according to one couple there. Along with neighbors, they are outraged over learning what pbrcoastie's November 12th post on WKRG News forum exposed (http://forums.wkrg.com/viewthread/1443/):

"So....take this for what you will. A good friend of mine who works at a credit union here in town said an "employee" of cookies and cream walked in and cashed a $80K check for her claim against BP. She was due to a drop in business. I am so sick at some of these outlandish claims. This is disgusting considering the number of legit claims that are still waiting to be paid."

Why are local, licensed, legitimate commercial fishermen lowest on BP's payment totem pole?

Surviving major hurricane easier than BP

Last winter was the worst in history for Gulf fishermen and their families - until BP hit them Spring of 2010 according to James Martin, a lifelong fisherman out of work since the BP-Deepwater Horizon explosion left Gulf coast fishing communities destitute. He joined the VOO clean-up work as a Task Force Leader - for which he has not been paid.

"This is BS," said Martin in an interview with him and his partner, saying they are "both sick as dogs" but want to get their story out in hopes of help.

They have each had a "cold" for three weeks, admitting they keep hearing the local pediatrician's clinic is "over-run" with sick people.

In four days, the couple will have their power cut. No electricity.

In one week, they lose one vehicle and the next week, their other one. No transportation.

Martin has received one payment since April, $15,000. that finally came through in August. He has received nothing since President Barack Obama's former pay tsar, Washington attorney Kenneth Feinberg took over BP's claims as Gulf spill fund administrator. The writer was unable to reach Mr. Feinberg Sunday.

They like everyone else in the couple's fishing village, James Martin and his partner continue eating the seafood.

"We have no choice," Martin said, explaining, "When someone in the community here has a catch, it's shared with everyone.

"That's just the way we are."

Martin and his partner commented how tragic it is seeing families with children evicted from their homes, moving into motels, and then, evicted from those due to inability to pay because BP is not paying claims to legitimate workers left with nothing since the explosion.

They said it was good that 600 families in Bayou LaBatry had just received food for a week.

"It was enough food to feed a family of four for a week," they said, adding, "We have it bad, but to see children hungry with no place to live because of this, we know there are people worse off then us."

Unbeknown to most Americans, hunger had set in among Gulf coastal residents as early as August when an Alabama person, Sandrabtoo commented about BP and Feinberg:

"They have no clue how bad it is here, nor do they care...'One lie after the other' This new guy makes me wish I was dealing with the BP adjustors again. At least I got enough money to eat. I have eaten all of the food in my freezer during the wait for BP to turn this over to Feinberg. I have begged for food just to feed my two dogs. I will do without before allowing them to suffer. I have only asked them to give me what I was earning before the spill nothing more. I have now lost what little hope I had left.

Feinberg's arrival on board, however, brought more "Beyond Petroleum" pain and suffering. As a commercial fisherman, helping supply food for American's dinners, Martin boasts that he is so dedicated to his profession, he worked nine and a half hours out on the waters during Hurricane Earl in 1998.

"I'd rather do that than what BP is putting me through," he said.

"They lie. They keep us on the phone waiting for 45 minutes. They say they need a copy of my license, but I gave it to them 4 times. It's the same BS every day. Excuse my French," he said.

After told the third time that the same three important certificate copies were not in the packet, with little resources they had, they drove to Mobile to hand deliver the required documents the 4th time.

The next time they called to see about the status of the claim, they were told the packet was incomplete. The same 3 pages, #2, #3, and #11 were missing.

"We drove back and gave it to them again. Why is it that some people file a claim on Monday and have a check on Thursday?"

"Why do they keep losing the 3 most important parts of my claim?"

Many people getting claims paid are not even locals according to Martin. They are among the carpet baggers that descended on coastal communities to make a fast buck, as reported to Dupre by several local coastal residents.

Martin's partner said one of the hardest things to take is when other people tell the fishermen to "get a real job."

People do not understand that commercial fishing is a job. It is not a sport. It' hard work every day of the year, she said. "We go out for eight days; work hard; come back in; wash everything and head back out again. That's our life. It's not just a job."

"My life was in that Gulf," Martin said.

"My waters are still closed, My boat is under major overhaul because I worked it continuously for 9 weeks for clean up, but I cannot complete it until BP/Feinberg pays me something. I’ve gotten nothing from them since August. My claim is in limbo, and I am so legit. What is up with this process??"

"I can't do nothing."

James Martin, like many out-of-work fisherman, had taken a "VOO job," so-called "Vessel Of Opportunity." The opportunity he wanted was to earn money to repair his boat so he could travel to clean waters and fish, his life and his profession. Without money owed to him, however, he cannot make the repairs or fish.

"It's heart-breaking," he said in his sobbing.

"It's all I can do keep him from having a heart-attack over BP not paying us," his girlfriend said

Every day begins the same, she said.

"Before anything else, he asks me to check the computer to see if his money has come though."

But every day, the answer is the same.

Every day, their lives are consumed in jumping through the same hoops, over and over for BP that continues to not pay them.

They said it's no wonder people are committing suicide.

They need what is rightfully theirs that BP and government are depriving them. But instead of money due, food, medical care and electricity in their home, the government has offered mental help.

One of friend's committed suicide as several others in their area have.

Human resource help? "They're useless!" they both said.

Case managers to advocate for them? "No such thing."

"We've got nobody to help us."

"If you lived in a farming community that grew only corn to survive and one year, there was a blight or something that ruined all the corn crops, the government would help by paying. Why is it not the same for us fishermen?" he asked.

"We get nothing."

"Land of opportunity? That's what they call America? This is no land of opportunity. This government took all our opportunity."

Tronn
15th November 2010, 08:35 AM
^^wasn't it posted here his firm was getting $800k a month to distribute the funds? ...at that rate..he'll stretch this out for years... :plll

cthulu
15th November 2010, 08:41 AM
That's what happens when you have a bunch of inbred talmudists who are raised to believe that following the law is what gets them to heaven because apparently to them you can legislate morality. Maybe christ hit the nail on the head when he said treat others as you would be treated.

PatColo
15th November 2010, 09:02 AM
BP pays strippers but not fisherman/clean-up workers, who are being forced to eat Gulf seafood or starve as a result of not being paid,

and BP also seems to have funds for special seminars to dis-inform Gulf school kids, "dispelling myths" about the safety of eating oil/corexit contaminated Gulf seafood...


BP’s spill lesson draws criticism (http://www.houmatoday.com/article/20101114/ARTICLES/101119610/1211/news01?p=all&tc=pgall)

Government withholding key data on Gulf seafood testing, scientists say (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/government-withholding-key-data-gulf-seafood-testing-scientists/)

Re-education? NOAA tells eighth graders to eat seafood: “Oil floats. See, we’ve tested it.” — Trying to combat worries kids hear “from their families”… more events planned (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/pathetic-noaa-kids-eat-seafood-oil-floats-weve-tested-trying-combat-kids-hear-families)

BP Seafood Snafu (http://www.wkrg.com/gulf_oil_spill/article/bp-seafood-snafu/1078917/Oct-12-2010_11-05-pm/) <<< see WKRG newscast video inside
"... When News Five asked the restaurant where today's lunch came from we found out it isn't exactly what BP had promoted. "

drafter
15th November 2010, 10:40 AM
"Feinberg"

The usual suspects. Not much of a surprise there.

PatColo
18th November 2010, 11:20 PM
Paychecks not likely for hundreds of oil spill cleanup workers Friday (http://www.projectgulfimpact.org/2010/11/13/paychecks-not-likely-for-hundreds-of-oil-spill-cleanup-workers-friday/)


Man fears he was sickened working oil spill; fears for future (http://www.wwltv.com/news/lafourche-terrebonne/Man-fears-he-was-sickened-working-oil-spill-fears-for-future-103270809.html)
"... When he started working on a crewboat for Guilbeau Marine in May cleaning up the Deepwater Horizon spill site, the 35-year-old Pierre Part native said, he became gravely ill. He can no longer work, medical bills and household expenses ate up a piddling settlement, and promised help from Kenneth Feinberg’s Gulf Coast Claims Facility has yet to materialize.

Matherne now begins each day afraid of the future and wondering how much of one he has. "


Doctor: “Dead people don’t talk, dead people don’t sue, dead people don’t tell the truth,
and dead people don’t bother BP” (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/doctor-dead-people-dont-talk-dead-people-dont-sue-dead-people-dont-truth-dead-people-dont-bother-bp)

MNeagle
21st November 2010, 05:20 PM
BP claims a gamble: Get check now, risk less later


OCEAN SPRINGS, Miss. (AP) -- Fishermen and business owners stung by a summer of lost revenue from the Gulf of Mexico oil spill have until Wednesday to file their compensation claims for short-term damages, and then they have to ask themselves: Do I feel lucky?

Many will eventually be offered a final settlement from BP PLC's compensation fund -- but accepting that check is a gamble. To cash it, they'll have to sign away their right to ever sue the oil giant and let a court decide how much they're owed. And if the long-term damages end up amounting to more than the settlement, they'll be out of luck for additional payments to cover those future losses.

They also could wait and risk getting an even lower settlement offer later if the shrimp, oyster, crab and fish industries rebound faster than expected, and tourists return in droves.

The fund's czar, attorney Kenneth Feinberg, said he will be offering "generous" settlement checks with the goal of keeping people out of court, but they don't have to accept the offer now. The Gulf Coast Claims Facility, set up to dole out the money, will be around until August of 2013.

However, Feinberg warns, they could end up with a much smaller check later.

"If they decide a year from now, I'll take the final payment, they're going to have to show prospective damage," Feinberg said in a recent interview. "But my offer may not be available to them a year from now if everything is back to normal."

If victims want more time to think about it, they can opt for interim payments by submitting a new claim for damages every three months over the next three years. That would still leave them with the option to sue BP. But they'll have to continue to prove their losses, and their final settlement offer may shrink with each passing day.

Mississippi seafood processor Keath Ladner said the structure of the program is forcing people "to gamble on our livelihoods."

The compensation fund has so far paid out nearly $2 billion, and Feinberg said about 80 percent of business claims have been paid in full.

However, many business owners with larger claims, over $100,000 and up to several million, say they are getting shortchanged or that their requests simply haven't been paid at all. Even the Justice Department has told Feinberg to speed up the claims process and be more transparent about how the cases are being evaluated.

Ladner, who employs about 70 boats and is one of the largest processors in the state, hasn't opened his shop since the April 20 oil rig explosion that spewed more than 170 million gallons of oil into the sea and killed 11 workers. He hasn't had the product or the work force to make the business profitable, and he said no national buyers want his seafood because of the lingering misperception that it's tainted by oil.

His claim for roughly $1.7 million has been under review for weeks.

Many who are struggling through the claims process feel that Feinberg is shortchanging them or keeping their claims under review to force them into accepting the final settlement offer because they'll be so far behind on bills, they'll have no choice.

"If he keeps everybody hungry, they're going to have to take any kind of settlement," Ladner said. "We'll have to take whatever he offers."

Feinberg denied that and said the fund is doing the best it can given the more than 400,000 claims filed so far. About 122,000 of those have been paid or approved for payment. Feinberg said the larger business claims are taking longer because they're more complicated.

Nearly 147,000 claims are clogging up the process because they have little or no documentation to support losses, Feinberg said, noting dozens are under review for potential fraud. He said the fund will begin denying those claims after Wednesday's deadline. About 60,000 claims have already been denied payment, and nearly 72,000 remain under review.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/BP-claims-a-gamble-Get-check-apf-7730330.html?x=0

PatColo
21st December 2010, 03:44 PM
“I have nowhere left to turn”: BP refuses claim of “gravely ill” cleanup worker — “Can never recover money for medical bills and other expenses” (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/left-turn-bp-refuses-claim-gravely-ill-cleanup-worker-never-recover-money-medical-bills-other-expenses)

PatColo
5th January 2011, 01:16 AM
10 min video interview with Ken Weaselberg inside, or click HERE (http://www.bloomberg.com/video/65603600/), it's much more informative than the article below, as well as giving a feel for the slippery shyster himself. As to all the fishermen getting claims denied (half of all claims are denied), Weaselberg says it's because they have no documentation of the lost income, only perhaps a fishing license to offer. Is fishing an all-cash biz, with none of the fisherman using bank accounts and thus having no monthly statements? How about tax returns?


Feinberg Says Half of $20 Billion BP Fund Should Cover Claims (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-31/feinberg-says-half-of-20-billion-bp-fund-may-be-enough-to-cover-claims.html)

By Jim Snyder and Carol Massar - Dec 31, 2010 9:01 PM PT

Kenneth Feinberg, the lawyer paying victims of BP Plc’s Gulf of Mexico oil spill, said he anticipates about half the $20 billion fund set up by the company should be adequate to cover claims for economic losses.

Feinberg said on Bloomberg Television yesterday that it is too early to project how much of the fund will be needed to pay individuals and businesses. He said $10 billion may be enough to compensate victims.

“It remains to be seen, but I would hope that half that money would be more than enough to pay all the claims,” Feinberg said.

The Gulf Coast Claims Facility, which also covers clean-up and remediation costs, has paid about $2.7 billion to more than 170,000 claimants, mostly in temporary, emergency payments in the past four months. The facility, established after negotiations with the Obama administration, has received more than 468,000 claims, according to its website. Feinberg said many claims lacked sufficient documentation to warrant payment.

“I will bend over backwards to pay claims,” he said.

More than 30,000 individuals and businesses have applied for a “quick pay” option Feinberg announced last month in response to criticism the claims process was moving too slowly, according to the Gulf Coast Claims Facility website.

Individuals can receive a $5,000 check and businesses a $25,000 check within two weeks if they recevied an emergency payment and waive their rights to sue BP and other companies involved in the spill. More than $140 million has been paid to spill victims through the quick-pay option.

Independence Defended

Claimants also can seek larger final payments, which may require additional documentation and take longer to process and pay, or they can apply for interim payments on a quarterly basis and retain their legal rights to sue the companies in the spill.

The deadline to apply for emergency payments was Nov. 23.

Feinberg also said he asked Stephen Gillers, a New York University School of Law professor, to evaluate his independence from BP in response to questions raised by Louisiana Attorney General James Caldwell in a Nov. 24 letter.

Feinberg, whose law firm receives $850,000 a month from BP to administer the claims facility, released an eight-page letter from Gillers on Dec. 30 that concluded Feinberg and the facility were independent.

“You are not subject to its direction or control,” said Gillers, who was also compensated by BP to review the company’s agreement with Feinberg.

Feinberg said it was appropriate for BP to pay “the entire freight” of the program.

gunDriller
11th January 2011, 07:20 AM
i'm surprised we haven't heard about a class action lawsuit.

typicality, commonality, numerosity - the prerequisites for class action. this case satisfies all the prerequisites, in spades.

the short term economic damages are clear, although the long term health & environmental costs are being covered up.

PatColo
17th January 2011, 10:37 PM
should be some good video clips coming from this meeting tomorrow AM


Censored: Mayor says people who “act up” at Feinberg meeting WILL GO TO JAIL — Then Fox 10 removes statement from website (PHOTO) (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/censored-mayor-people-act-feinberg-meeting-will-jail-fox-10-removes-statement-website-photo)

PatColo
18th January 2011, 03:48 PM
Still waiting to hear accounts of, and vid clips from, highlights of this meeting this morning.


“Strong police presence” at Feinberg’s town hall meetings as local officials reference Arizona massacre (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/strong-police-presence-feinbergs-town-hall-meetings-local-officials-reference-arizona-massacre-holding-people-hostage)


“Some say what he is doing is criminal”: Feinberg and BP are holding the people “hostage” according to Business Support Center (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/feinberg-bp-holding-people-hostage-doing-criminal)


Edit: this one's from last July, obviously the only ones breathing airborne benzene/etc are the ones a block or less from the beach... ;)
BP Policy: “Only paying realty claims for homes ONE block from beach” (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/bp-policy-only-paying-realty-claims-for-homes-one-block-from-beach)

osoab
18th January 2011, 03:59 PM
i'm surprised we haven't heard about a class action lawsuit.

typicality, commonality, numerosity - the prerequisites for class action. this case satisfies all the prerequisites, in spades.

the short term economic damages are clear, although the long term health & environmental costs are being covered up.


I thought the moment they signed for payments any chance to file a lawsuit was out the door. :conf:

I don't know if that could be overcome by identifying the fraud in this whole mess.

PatColo
18th January 2011, 04:29 PM
i'm surprised we haven't heard about a class action lawsuit.

typicality, commonality, numerosity - the prerequisites for class action. this case satisfies all the prerequisites, in spades.

the short term economic damages are clear, although the long term health & environmental costs are being covered up.


I thought the moment they signed for payments any chance to file a lawsuit was out the door. :conf:

I don't know if that could be overcome by identifying the fraud in this whole mess.




Watch the Weaselberg video in the OP link- I guess they can get one-time paid and lose the right to sue, or quarterly payments for some set time, and retain the right to sue during that time... sumthin like that. And yes the fraud aspect negating the contracts would be an interesting possibility in a more perfect world & US judicial system, but you see we're stuck with this Talmudic/Masonic judicial system around here, and I don't think they'll be crying foul on the Gulf bio/chem-warfare op anytime this century.

osoab
18th January 2011, 05:09 PM
i'm surprised we haven't heard about a class action lawsuit.

typicality, commonality, numerosity - the prerequisites for class action. this case satisfies all the prerequisites, in spades.

the short term economic damages are clear, although the long term health & environmental costs are being covered up.


I thought the moment they signed for payments any chance to file a lawsuit was out the door. :conf:

I don't know if that could be overcome by identifying the fraud in this whole mess.




Watch the Weaselberg video in the OP link- I guess they can get one-time paid and lose the right to sue, or quarterly payments for some set time, and retain the right to sue during that time... sumthin like that. And yes the fraud aspect negating the contracts would be an interesting possibility in a more perfect world & US judicial system, but you see we're stuck with this Talmudic/Masonic judicial system around here, and I don't think they'll be crying foul on the Gulf bio/chem-warfare op anytime this century.


I hadn't heard about the quarterly payments and not forgoing the right to sue.
Those must be the rich folk doing that. :D

I am not holding my breath in anticipation that the fraud would be prosecuted in any meaningful way. I just figured that since fraud is an underlying part of this fiasco, that contracts could be voided. Granted, BP would want their money back then.

What do you make of the BP and Russian oil deal Pat? I am trying to figure out who comes out ahead in the deal.

BP and Russia in Arctic oil deal (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12195576)

PatColo
15th February 2011, 12:20 PM
Feinberg’s GCCF Ohio “processing” center busted — “They don’t process one claim here… exact opposite of what we have been told” says official (VIDEO) (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/feinbergs-gccf-ohio-processing-center-busted-dont-process-one-claim-exact-opposite-told-official-video)


“Really Laughable”: 5 people deciding which of 500,000 claims are paid (VIDEO) (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/really-laughable-5-people-deciding-500000-claims-paid-video)

PatColo
6th March 2011, 02:56 AM
BP oil spill fund sued for fraud and negligence (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/8350754/BP-oil-spill-fund-sued-for-fraud-and-negligence.html)

A $20bn (£12.4bn) fund to compensate victims of BP's Gulf of Mexico oil spill has been hit with further damaging accusations - this time in a lawsuit alleging "negligence and fraud".


By Rowena Mason 6:00AM GMT 28 Feb 2011

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Pinellas Marine Salvage has filed suit in Florida against the Gulf Coast Claims Facility and its federal administrator, Kenneth Feinberg, claiming it is not acting sufficiently in the interests of victims.

The local company claims that Mr Feinberg and the fund "circumvent many of the rights provided to victims of the BP oil spill under the Oil Pollution Act of 1990," and employs a "delay, deny, defend" strategy against claimants.

Pinellas Marine Salvage is seeking economic, compensatory, and punitive damages.

The case comes after a judge looking after spill-related claims against BP ruled that the compensation fund could not be called "independent" of the company. Last month, Jim Hood, the attorney general of Misssissippi, also filed a court motion on behalf of the state, alleging that the fund is "intentionally underpaying" victims.

Mississippi residents suffered heavily when BP's oil well exploded killing 11 men last April.

Mr Hood urged better supervision of the $20bn fund by Carl Barbier, the judge in charge of overseeing legal action against BP.

The attorney general claimed that people were signing "seemingly very low settlements" that bar them from later legal action, because emergency relief money was not been paid quickly enough.

"This scheme is another device for BP [through the fund] to entice claimants to sign a release and to improperly leverage those releases by intentionally underpaying interim claims," he claimed. "BP is withholding interim claim payments to increase financial hardship on claimants."

The purpose of the $20bn fund is to get money faster to people financially affected by the oil spill. It is also likely to reduce BP's liabilities as any claims process will probably be cheaper for it than fighting claims in the courts.

The fund has to date received 468,000 claims and paid out around $2.7bn to some 170,000 claimants. Mr Feinberg was put in charge of the fund due to his expertise in managing the 9/11 terror attacks victims' fund.

Separately, it emerged over the weekend that BP is suing the UK Government for almost £300m plus compensation, claiming it is owed tax paid "by mistake" a decade ago.

The oil giant is accusing HM Revenue and Customs of wrongly charging it stamp duty reserve tax when it took over a US rival, Atlantic Richfield, in 1999. The fund's administrators could not be reached for comment.

PatColo
5th April 2011, 06:57 PM
BP complains that Feinberg’s settlement terms are “TOO GENEROUS” (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/bp-complains-that-feinbergs-settlement-terms-are-too-generous)


BP gives Feinberg a raise of almost 50% (VIDEO) (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/bp-gives-feinberg-raise-almost-50-video)


Residents at Feinberg meeting: LIE! LIE! You are such a lying piece of s**t… while talking about health problems (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/residents-at-feinberg-meeting-lie-lie-you-are-such-a-lying-piece-of-st-while-talking-about-health-problems)

willie pete
5th April 2011, 07:36 PM
I heard feinberg on the radio the other day defending the $1.2 Million per month "fee" his firm accepts for handling the BP oil spill...he said it's very complicated and convaluted and could take several more years to complete..after all he said " I'm just a servant, here to help others" ... :lol :lol