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Silver Rocket Bitches!
15th November 2010, 08:53 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/T_gE4wZEh0g&hl


I'm confused as ever ??? ???

Book
15th November 2010, 08:56 AM
I'm confused as ever ??? ???



You are watching Geraldo on FOX NEWS.

:ROFL:

Silver Rocket Bitches!
15th November 2010, 08:59 AM
I'm confused as ever ??? ???



You are watching Geraldo on FOX NEWS.

:ROFL:


Well, yeah. Exactly. FOX NEWS.

Why are they contradicting the official story?

Still Barbaro
15th November 2010, 09:23 AM
I don't like Faux, and I don't like Geraldo, but I do like the topic he is putting out.

Building 7: fair enough.

keehah
15th November 2010, 09:26 AM
Sometimes people 'miss' answers they claim to seek. ;D
http://gold-silver.us/forum/911-28/wtc7-on-fox-news/msg139322/

PatColo
15th November 2010, 09:28 AM
I can't explain what's up, but made some comments in this thread,

WTC7 On Fox News (http://gold-silver.us/forum/911-28/wtc7-on-fox-news/)

hopefully your sexier thread title in GD brings this story the attention it deserves. Some replies in the more obscure thread,



wow.

I've heard the buildingwhat.org ad has been playing in NY TV recently. Here it is,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHIj9wzbYGQ

Now we'll have to decipher what kind of spin the media's going to seek to put on.

If the Limited Hangout LIHOP shills inside 911 Truth are any clue, the idea will be to try to keep scary moozlems, "hijackers", "moozlem terrorism" yada yada myths alive, to justify their continued holocausting in the wars.




Bump for this story. This may be the biggest 911 Truth development in a couple years.

Several dozen 911blogger comments here: “BuildingWhat?” Appears on Geraldo At Large on FOX News (http://911blogger.com/news/2010-11-13/%E2%80%9Cbuildingwhat%E2%80%9D-appears-geraldo-large-fox-news); it's the mix of gratitude and skepticism you'd expect-- also bear in mind, 911blogger's management has been compromised for at least a couple years, so there'll be rhetorical game-playing in the reader comments.

But FOX is, after all, basically a big zio/pentagon/PTB psyop against America, so this may be a ploy to "rehabilitate themselves" as so many stray to the alt-media for some real news- but of course however FOX plans to try to play this, we can expect it to be a stage-managed, limited hangout damage control campaign.




"911 TRUTH PROTEST ON GERALDO, ALEX JONES ARRESTED, RELEASED. "

posted to youtube 9/9/07, so Geraldo was a year short when he said in the OP clip that the AJ/NYC clip took place 2 years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlbN22gCEeM

Pretty funny; but realize that despite his apparent humility in admitting there may be something to the 911 Truthers message, Geraldo is being disingenuous-- I don't believe any MSM talking head of consequence, or any DC politician, is ignorant of the basic Truth of 911. They know first hand who owns the MSM, & who owns DC pol's, and whose boots they need to lick to maintain/advance their careers.

Dogman
15th November 2010, 09:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/T_gE4wZEh0g&hl


I'm confused as ever ??? ???


It is all about the network making money and ratings, it's all about the money and not beliefs.

IMHO!

Silver Rocket Bitches!
15th November 2010, 09:55 AM
Sorry for the re-post but my post is more concerned not necessarily with 911 & building 7 but with the move away from the status quo which dictates that the official line calls for ridicule of 911 truth, not indulgence.

Face it, when it comes to the mainstream news (and major media in general), it's not about informing you but controlling you and your thoughts.

So the question is, cui bono?

PatColo
15th November 2010, 09:57 AM
It is all about the network making money and ratings, it's all about the money and not beliefs.

IMHO!


if the zio-networks wanted to "make money and ratings", they'd have broken the 911 Truth story years ago when the truth was already obvious to anyone who did a little independent research- indeed the zio-networks wouldn't have been complicit in the "official myth creation", truth-cover-up, and 911 Truther marginalization/ridicule/vilification-as-terrorists from the morning of 911 onwards. But that's all quite an awkward proposition when the zio-media's bosses are of the same political loyalty as the real 911 perps! ;)

israel did 9/11 - ALL THE PROOF IN THE WORLD (http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367&start=0)

Introduction: Israel & 9/11 (http://rediscover911.com/introduction/)

Patriots Question 9/11 (http://patriotsquestion911.com)


aww jeez looky there, every time I check that number gets bigger, 1,358 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 9/11 CT a fraud! ;D


http://www.ae911truth.net/flash/wtc7ani2.swf

http://www.ae911truth.org/images/explo2.jpg

PatColo
15th November 2010, 10:04 AM
Sorry for the re-post but my post is more concerned not necessarily with 911 & building 7 but with the move away from the status quo which dictates that the official line calls for ridicule of 911 truth, not indulgence.

Face it, when it comes to the mainstream news (and major media in general), it's not about informing you but controlling you and your thoughts.

So the question is, cui bono?


I'd say it's too early to understand what their latest game is... as I said above, I suspect they'll now try to "steer" the thoughts of those just waking up, towards a Limited Hangout LIHOP lie, which keeps the critical "scary moozlem hijackers" part of the myth in tact. We've recently seen GBeck & MSavage talking about false flag attacks. I think Geraldo will do some sort of follow-up this week, saying "how much mail he got re the weekend WTC-7 segment", and based on what he recites off the teleprompter from there, we'll get a better idea how his bosses are gonna try to play this.

Silver Rocket Bitches!
15th November 2010, 10:04 AM
I speculate this may all be part of the next helgian dialect.

Either that or there is an internal struggle going on within TPTB media arm and Rupert is all like "fvck you jews I'm defecting." ;D

http://www.winstonsmith.com/images/gallery.big/people.jpg

PatColo
15th November 2010, 10:11 AM
Bill Cooper spoke the truth and is dead, Tim Russert spoke the truth and is dead. Matt Simpson - The one who reported on the oil spill spoke the truth and is dead.


Bill Cooper & Matt Simmons maybe, but Tim Russert? You mean how he asked the bush/sKerry coffin-mates about skull & bones? That was lightweight, & there was no follow-up, Russert just accepted their non-answers and moved on. Here's Russert tag-teaming with Rumsfeld in propagating the bin-Goldstein/al-CIAduh mythology,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLlvXvJTnFo

Horn
15th November 2010, 10:22 AM
Here's Russert tag-teaming with Rumsfeld in propagating the bin-Goldstein/al-CIAduh mythology,

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/image.php?u=19519&dateline=1176417025

sirgonzo420
15th November 2010, 10:33 AM
I speculate this may all be part of the next helgian dialect.

Either that or there is an internal struggle going on within TPTB media arm and Rupert is all like "fvck you jews I'm defecting." ;D

http://www.winstonsmith.com/images/gallery.big/people.jpg


lol

You do know that Murdoch is a jew too, right?

midnight rambler
15th November 2010, 10:56 AM
It's a set-up leading into a false flag...?

Silver Rocket Bitches!
15th November 2010, 12:24 PM
I speculate this may all be part of the next helgian dialect.

Either that or there is an internal struggle going on within TPTB media arm and Rupert is all like "fvck you jews I'm defecting." ;D

http://www.winstonsmith.com/images/gallery.big/people.jpg


lol

You do know that Murdoch is a jew too, right?




Not true.

Crypto Jew, maybe but not publicly declared Jew.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch

Awoke
15th November 2010, 01:19 PM
Regardless of Murdoch, Geraldo is a jew, and the jew plays both sides of the fence in a revolution or war.

Remember how receptive Geraldo was when the sayanim Alex Jones (Married to a jew with 2 jew children) interrupted Geraldo's live broadcast with a "truther group"? Geraldo was not a happy camper that night. He was swearing at the group and calling them Tin-foils, conspiracy nuts, etc.

If Geraldo is trumpting the truth horn, you can but it is not for the benefit of revealing the real truth to the blue-pillers.

Silver Rocket Bitches!
15th November 2010, 01:27 PM
Regardless of Murdoch, Geraldo is a jew, and the jew plays both sides of the fence in a revolution or war.

Remember how receptive Geraldo was when the sayanim Alex Jones (Married to a jew with 2 jew children) interrupted Geraldo's live broadcast with a "truther group"? Geraldo was not a happy camper that night. He was swearing at the group and calling them Tin-foils, conspiracy nuts, etc.

If Geraldo is trumpting the truth horn, you can but it is not for the benefit of revealing the real truth to the blue-pillers.


Hence, the confusion. If Jews are responsible, in large part, for 9/11, why draw attention to the smoking gun that is Building 7? Why give credence to the Families of 9/11 Truth? Credibility? Misdirection?

I don't know but keep your eyes peeled and your ear to the tracks for the coming days...

gunDriller
15th November 2010, 01:48 PM
limited hang-out/ controlled opposition.

they can also talk about 9-11 in such a way that people begin to detest the subject, and just don't want to talk about it.

midnight rambler
15th November 2010, 01:59 PM
they can also talk about 9-11 in such a way that people begin to detest the subject, and just don't want to talk about it.

Mission accomplished. I've a reasonably intelligent friend who gets really bent out of shape when confronted with the FACTS surrounding 9/11, to the point of him angrily saying in a very loud and agitated voice, "I DON'T CARE!!! I don't want to discuss it!"

Silver Rocket Bitches!
15th November 2010, 02:18 PM
they can also talk about 9-11 in such a way that people begin to detest the subject, and just don't want to talk about it.

Mission accomplished. I've a reasonably intelligent friend who gets really bent out of shape when confronted with the FACTS surrounding 9/11, to the point of him angrily saying in a very loud and agitated voice, "I DON'T CARE!!! I don't want to discuss it!"


Rare is the man willing to learn that which he does not want to know.

Indeed.

Horn
15th November 2010, 02:28 PM
Where's Halo?

If he were here he would conclude it was a plot to subvert the government of the U.S. before it started to get set on a straighter course.

Silver Shield
15th November 2010, 03:51 PM
Another Fox News shill infiltrating and subverting truth.

MAGNES
15th November 2010, 04:10 PM
I'm confused as ever ??? ???


GREAT RESOURCE, have a look, this is big
http://buildingwhat.org/about-building-what/

from a corner on this forum
http://gold-silver.us/forum/911-28/wtc7-on-fox-news/





Bump for this story. This may be the biggest 911 Truth development in a couple years.


I agree totally Pat, big story and big development.

They were forced into limited hangout of some kind.

See Awokes comments and Pat's on this, recent.

People are asking questions, why ?

Like many other stories they report late, they don't break them,
they are forced to. Watching Bush NeoCons this was regular MO.

The big thing is the families and the WTC7 campaign that just took place.
They fought the courts with no success and created this campaign.
It just went on air, they were successful. So only after all this Fox Covers
it. Limited hangout, slowly, they will pin it on Bush, you will never see them
do investigative work on this, people already forgot about the NeoCons.

BIG THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN NEW YORK
http://www.nyccan.org/
GOOD RESOURCE
http://buildingwhat.org/



http://buildingwhat.org/about-building-what/

The “BuildingWhat?” TV ad begins airing on November 2, Election Day 2010, and will run through the week of November 15. It is scheduled to air 350+ times, and is estimated to be seen by millions of viewers in the New York Metropolitan Area, reaching core target audiences multiple times.

The ad is appearing on thirteen channels including MSNBC, CNN, Comedy Central, HGTV, Logo TV, Bio TV, Versus TV, MSG, Sports NY, VH1, HLN, CNBC and Bravo.

Awoke
17th November 2010, 06:46 AM
All this tells me is that the jew wants the American blue-piller blue-collars to revolt.
They want a civil war, the resulting police state and the transfer of wealth that will follow.

mick silver
17th November 2010, 01:26 PM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

PatColo
22nd November 2010, 09:46 PM
Geraldo Follow Up On "Freedom Watch" (http://911blogger.com/news/2010-11-19/geraldo-follow-freedom-watch)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HcliJUk0VY

Near the end they shift gears to the airport scanner/grope controversy, Geraldo says he believes we should be racial profiling, it's time for that. He didn't elaborate but what he obviously meant, but was too PC to say, was that dajooz should be singled out for extra scrutiny ;D


http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/wolfowitz-holds-report.jpg


also see: GORDON DUFF: 9/11, THE BILL IS DUE (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/11/22/gordon-duff-911-the-bill-is-due-2/)

PatColo
22nd November 2010, 09:56 PM
couple more related, reposted @ 911blogger.com,


Raw Story: Geraldo ‘much more open minded’ about 9/11 thanks to NYC television ads (http://911blogger.com/news/2010-11-15/raw-story-geraldo-%E2%80%98much-more-open-minded%E2%80%99-about-911-thanks-nyc-television-ads)


Stephen Webster's "Building What?" article at Alternet (http://911blogger.com/news/2010-11-16/stephen-websters-building-what-article-alternet)

Awoke
23rd November 2010, 04:41 AM
Geraldo is a jew and party to the mainstream jew owned media.

Period.

PatColo
23rd November 2010, 08:47 AM
This show aired Sat 11/20. Check the link for a bunch of embedded links. Listening now, apparently Szamboni thought Geraldo seemed sincere, says we should give him the benefit of the doubt... :lol

I more look forward to the 2nd hour with Barbara Honegger, I may skip to it if Szamboni's boring.


Truth Jihad Radio
Geraldo-educator Tony Szamboti, Pentagon attack expert Barbara Honegger on Truth Jihad Radio
(http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2010/11/geraldo-educator-tony-szamboti-pentagon.html)

First hour: Tony Szamboti returns! Tony had to leave early last week and rush across town to join an amazing Geraldo Rivera WTC-7 episode at the Fox News studio.

Tony Szamboti authored the peer-reviewed Journal of 9/11 Studies paper "The Sustainability of the Controlled Demolition Hypothesis for the Destruction of the Twin Towers." He will be critiquing the Harrit-Rancourt debate and explaining why the Towers must have been demolished with explosives. Tony Szamboti is a Mechanical Design Engineer with over 20 years experience in the Aerospace and Communications industries, responsible for designing a large variety of structures required to perform in dynamic environments. He is a member of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

Second hour: Pentagon attack expert Barbara Honegger, "founding mother" of the Boston Tea Party for 9/11 Truth - the historic 9/11 truth event that (for better or worse) kicked off the Tea Party movement! (for "worse," scroll down)

Watch my speech at the 2006 Tea Party

Barbara's seminal article "The Pentagon Attack Papers" - just updated a few days ago - shows definitively that the government's version of what happened at the Pentagon is fraudulent. (For supporting evidence, see CIT's National Security Alert, and the work of my Muslims for 9/11 Truth colleague Enver Masud.)

The updated version of The Pentagon Attack Papers includes critically-important all-new material including interviews with former terror czar Richard Clarke and other high-level officials. It is one of the most important pieces of investigative journalism on 9/11 ever produced.

During the interview, Barbara will clarify some confusions that have arisen involving the conflation of her work with the complementary work of CIT, and address the question of why a few key players at 911blogger are using bogus arguments, ad-hominems and outright censorship to attack and suppress research disproving the official version of the Pentagon attack.

Barbara Honegger is one of the most grossly underrated heroes of the 9/11 truth movement. Alongside her high-quality and utterly damning research on the Pentagon and anthrax attacks, Honegger was the key source for Mike Ruppert's work on 9/11 war games - AND the Founding Mother of the Boston Tea Party for 9/11 Truth!

From her bio:

Barbara Honegger worked as a researcher at the Hoover Institution before joining the Ronald Reagan administration as a researcher and policy analyst in 1980. Honegger headed Reagan's gender discrimination agency review before resigning in August, 1983.

While working for Reagan she discovered information that convinced her that George H. W. Bush and William Casey had conspired to make sure that Iran did not release the U.S. hostages until Jimmy Carter had been defeated in the 1980 presidential election.

In 1987 Honegger began leaking information to journalists about the Reagan administration. However, it was not until Reagan left office that Honegger published October Surprise (1989). In her book, Honegger claimed that in 1980 William Casey and other representatives of the Reagan presidential campaign made a deal at two sets of meetings in July and August at the Ritz Hotel in Madrid with Iranians to delay the release of Americans held hostage in Iran until after the November 1980 presidential elections. Reagan’s aides promised that they would get a better deal if they waited until Carter was defeated.

In the years since October Surprise was published other sources such as Ari Ben-Menashe have come forward to confirm Honegger's story.

* * *


Direct MP3 link (http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Truth-Jihad-32k-112010.mp3)
2 hrs, 27 MBs - advance through the 3 minute breaks

nunaem
23rd November 2010, 10:19 AM
Most likely a strawman and an example for the sheeple to follow. Geraldo is already an incredible clown so his momentary departure from 9/11 gospel wont change minds, but he can inoculate his viewers against 9/11 truth by feigning disinterested truth seeking and then being born again as a shill. Notice how he had 2 9/11 truth proponents and no shills, next time he'll have 2 shills on and he will be set straight. The sheeple, fearing similar humiliation by the 'experts', will be that much more likely to resist 9/11 truth.

keehah
23rd November 2010, 10:31 AM
Geraldo Follow Up On "Freedom Watch" (http://911blogger.com/news/2010-11-19/geraldo-follow-freedom-watch)

What Beck has been doing recently is much more honest than Geraldo. Notice how at the same time he still ridicules and degrades those who would question the government's propaganda as he is now doing?

With Geraldo I'm thinking limited hangout and damage control that the 9/11 false flag just keep gaining awareness amongst the masses. At the end of it Geraldo has spun his BS something along the lines of: "Yes they had to bring down WTC7 because it was about to collapse anyway. This is why non-wingbats had questions about 9/11. Anyone who questions anything else about 9/11 is a wingbat."

PatColo
24th November 2010, 11:57 AM
Gary Franchi Interviews Bob McIlvaine About Geraldo’s Change Of Heart With 9/11 Truth (http://911blogger.com/news/2010-11-23/gary-franchi-interviews-bob-mcilvaine-about-geraldo-s-change-heart-911-truth) << w/reader comments inside

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W12Tt6qZnNU

Horn
24th November 2010, 12:21 PM
At the end of it Geraldo has spun his BS something along the lines of: "Yes they had to bring down WTC7 because it was about to collapse anyway. This is why non-wingbats had questions about 9/11. Anyone who questions anything else about 9/11 is a wingbat."


That seems an impossibility, as there wouldn't been enough time to rig it in that single span. Especially being partially damaged & on fire.

IMO, They just want to raise the question & leave it unanswered to quicken the what seems now to be an ultimate collapse of governance, into "semi-manageable" chaos to start the slow & "securely" maligned growth of the piecemeal banking system again.

Beck mentions "acceptance" (of 1/2 the scene) for those same reasons, while constantly stating the U.S. will not be the same place in 5 years.

PatColo
24th November 2010, 12:25 PM
Gary Franchi Interviews Bob McIlvaine About Geraldo’s Change Of Heart With 9/11 Truth (http://911blogger.com/news/2010-11-23/gary-franchi-interviews-bob-mcilvaine-about-geraldo-s-change-heart-911-truth) << w/reader comments inside



Speaking of reader comments, the first points to this 11/15 AJ interview w/Bob McIlvane,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRIV702eBfg&feature=player_embedded

I like McIlvane's "broad view of history"... and his "not getting his hopes up" from developments like this...

Horn
24th November 2010, 12:40 PM
http://www.washingtondcwebsite.com/Washington_DC_Tour/images/image006.jpg

The great irony of this photo is that the founder of the NWO was pictured beside it.

PatColo
2nd December 2010, 10:30 AM
CNN: Fox takes heat from left and right over analyst (http://911blogger.com/news/2010-12-02/cnn-fox-takes-heat-left-and-right-over-analyst)

By: CNN Political Unit
December 1st, 2010
01:37 PM ET

(CNN) – It's rare that two media watchdogs – one on the left and one on the right – ever agree when it comes to assessing coverage on the cable news outlets.

But both the conservative Newsbusters and liberal Media Matters are aiming fire at Fox News' Geraldo Rivera and Judge Andrew Napolitano for recently suggesting the third building to fall on September 11, 2001 – 7 World Trade Center- may have collapsed for reasons beside the widely held belief that fire from the two World Trade Center towers nearby was the ultimate cause.

In a segment that aired on his program more than two weeks ago, Rivera reported on those who claim the building's collapse was more consistent with that which would occur from explosive devices.

"I'm certainly much more open-minded about it than I was," Rivera said of the alternate possibility for the building's fall.

Days later Napolitano – a legal analyst for Fox – said of the theory:

"It's hard for me to believe that [7 World Trade Center] came down by itself. I was gratified to see Geraldo Rivera investigating it. I'm gratified to see the people across the border interested.

"I think 20 years from now, people will look at 9/11 the way they look at the assassination of JFK today," he added, in an interview with radio host Alex Jones. "It couldn't possibly have been done the way the government told us."

In a post on its Web site Tuesday, Newsbusters said the suggestion lacked any common sense and amounted to "moral repugnance."

"Just so Fox is clear about the people whom they've given soapboxes, Geraldo and the Judge are apparently unconvinced by physics, common sense, and the simple human decency of their elected officials," wrote Newsbuster's Lachlan Markay.

Meanwhile, Media Matters Eric Hananoki wrote: "Napolitano's belief in 9-11 conspiracy theories may make things awkward with his Fox News colleagues – especially Glenn Beck - who have denounced 9-11 conspiracy theories and those associating themselves with anyone making them."

A federal report in 2008 determined fires at the World Trade Center site ultimately spread to 7 World Trade Center and weakened critical floor beams and structural columns of the nearly-50 story building, leading to its collapse. The building– which housed offices of the Central Intelligence Agency, the Secret Service and the Giuliani administration's emergency response center - was completely evacuated at the time of its collapse.

Fox News did not respond to CNN's request for comment.

Horn
2nd December 2010, 10:35 AM
Fox News did not respond to CNN's request for comment.

Hopefully the truth speaks for itself loud & clear here.

The comparisons to JFK just don't hold water for me in this case, it's too clear cut.

More like the Reichstag Fire.

keehah
2nd December 2010, 10:44 AM
(CNN) – It's rare that two media watchdogs – one on the left and one on the right – ever agree when it comes to assessing coverage on the cable news outlets.

Eric Hananoki's Media Matters is a George Soros gig.

As for Newsbusters (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=NewsBusters), it was founded by a conservative mormon who brags about taking Dan Rather down (ratherbiased (http://www.ratherbiased.com/)) and is a branch of Media Research Center (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Media_Research_Center) that Sourcewatch notes was funded (10.6 million, 2006 last year given) by:
Exxon Mobil
The Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Inc.
Sarah Scaife Foundation
Castle Rock Foundation
John M. Olin Foundation, Inc.
The Carthage Foundation
JM Foundation

PatColo
2nd December 2010, 12:35 PM
Eric Hananoki's Media Matters is a George Soros gig.

As for Newsbusters (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=NewsBusters), it was founded by a conservative mormon who brags about taking Dan Rather down (ratherbiased (http://www.ratherbiased.com/)) and is a branch of Media Research Center (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Media_Research_Center) that Sourcewatch notes was funded (10.6 million, 2006 last year given) by:
Exxon Mobil
The Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Inc.
Sarah Scaife Foundation
Castle Rock Foundation
John M. Olin Foundation, Inc.
The Carthage Foundation
JM Foundation



leave it to them to have fake media watchdog organizations... 8)

This just in,

9/11 Families Demand Apology from Media Matters (http://911blogger.com/news/2010-12-02/911-families-demand-apology-media-matters)


btw don't marry 911blogger or 911truthnews, both are co-opted & controlled (http://gold-silver.us/forum/conspiracy-theories/citizen-investigation-team-national-security-alert/msg132271/#msg132271).