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General of Darkness
17th November 2010, 06:45 AM
Let's not reduce insane spending, let's kill any potential of growth. And yes she's a chosen one.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-17/rivlin-proposes-6-5-national-sales-tax-as-part-of-deficit-reduction-plan.html


Rivlin Proposes 6.5% National Sales Tax as Part of Deficit-Reduction Plan
By Heidi Przybyla - Nov 17, 2010 5:27 AM PT

Former Federal Reserve Vice Chairwoman Alice Rivlin

Former Federal Reserve vice chairwoman and Democrat Alice Rivlin. Photographer: Brendan Hoffman/Bloomberg

Alice Rivlin, a member of President Barack Obama’s deficit-reduction commission, is trying to stir a debate over imposing a national sales tax to reduce the deficit.

Rivlin, as part of a separate 19-member group sponsored by the Bipartisan Policy Center in Washington, offered a plan for a 6.5 percent national debt-reduction sales tax. Her recommendation comes as the president’s panel prepares a Dec. 1 report of options for Congress to trim the national debt.

Rivlin, a former Federal Reserve vice chairwoman and Democrat, and the co-chairman of the policy center group, former New Mexico Republican Senator Pete Domenici, are offering a more aggressive approach to tax increases and cuts to Medicare.

“It’s very difficult, and they want to go further,” said Alan Simpson, a Republican former Wyoming senator who is co- chairman of the president’s commission.

Jim Horney, director of federal fiscal policy at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities in Washington, said the Rivlin group may be “somewhat more realistic” about how much revenue is needed to close the deficit.

The more aggressive plan may help the presidential panel sell unpopular remedies by painting an even starker picture of the measures needed to tame the debt.

The presidential panel’s co-chairmen, Simpson and Erskine Bowles, former President Bill Clinton’s chief of staff, drew criticism Nov. 10 when they proposed their $3.8 trillion report.

Simpson suggested it isn’t likely his group will take up the sales tax recommendation.

“There’s no need to get into it about their plan versus our plan,” he said. “We’ve pissed enough people off in America to last forever. We don’t need any more people.”

Eliminating Deductions

Similar to the Bowles-Simpson proposals, the Rivlin plan would lower income tax rates while eliminating most deductions and credits. It would replace the home mortgage and charitable contribution deductions with 15 percent refundable credits.

The plan also makes $756 billion in cuts to health care through 2020, including raising Medicare premiums from 25 percent to 35 percent over five years, and starts a premium support program to limit growth in federal spending on the health-care program for the elderly.

It also attempts to spark economic growth with a one-year Social Security payroll tax holiday designed to create 2.5 million jobs.

“It is a fundamental difference” with the Bowles-Simpson plan, said Steve Bell, a scholar at the Bipartisan Policy Center. “They assume that this deficit reduction plan in and of itself is sufficient. We don’t.”

Payroll Tax Cap

On Social Security, instead of raising the retirement age, as in the Bowles-Simpson plan, the Rivlin group proposes a gradual increase in the amount of wages subject to payroll taxes, currently $106,800, over the next 38 years to cover 90 percent of all wages. It would also trim the annual cost-of- living adjustments and reduce the growth in benefits for the top 25 percent of beneficiaries.

The Rivlin-Domenici plan seeks to illustrate why a combination of spending cuts and tax increases is the only way to stabilize the debt by 2020.

Targeting domestic discretionary spending cuts alone would require eliminating almost everything from law enforcement and border security to education and food and drug inspection, according to the policy center.

The nation also cannot grow its way out of the deficit, the group’s report says. Just to stabilize the debt at 60 percent of gross domestic product, the economy would have to grow at a sustained rate of more than 6 percent a year for at least the next 10 years, it says. The economy hasn’t grown by more than 4.4 percent in any decade since World War II.

Finally, the problem also can’t be solved simply by raising taxes on wealthy Americans, the report says. Reducing deficits to manageable levels by the end of the decade would require raising rates on the top two income brackets to 86 percent and 91 percent, the report says.

To contact the reporter on this story: Heidi Przybyla in Washington at bfaler@bloomberg.net

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Mark Silva at msilva@bloomberg.net

chad
17th November 2010, 06:50 AM
like any of it will really be used to pay anything down. :oo-->

Still Barbaro
17th November 2010, 06:54 AM
So....

Because the federal government has been so reckless and irresponsible, we the working stiff should pay higher taxes to pay for the deficits.

Haven't I been hearing this for the last 30 years or so?

And if these taxes are raised to pay for the deficit (laugh), the government will actually not run any more annual budget deficits?

It would be funny if it wasn't such a lie. :oo-->

Horn
17th November 2010, 07:13 AM
A 30% tax on imported items should fix it in less time.

Those powerful middlemen merchants would never let the senators in their pockets pass that though.

Twisted Titan
17th November 2010, 07:29 AM
The VAT TAX COMMETH

Sparky
17th November 2010, 07:53 AM
Setting the specifics aside for a moment...

Is this how the 19-member panel is going to operate? By gradually leaking out a series of plans from individuals within the group? What type of bi-partisan unity is that going to forge? What a mockery.

I think I read somewhere once that the optimal size for an effective committee is 5 people. That's enough people to present various viewpoints, checks, and balances, but small enough to hammer out some type of agreement. Nineteen? Are you kidding me?

ShortJohnSilver
17th November 2010, 08:12 AM
Huge amount of fraud with VAT. In Canada, 1/10th the population, there was a surge almost overnight of at least $1 Billion that went underground.

Horn
17th November 2010, 09:05 AM
What of all the free trade agreements? How could they stand against a U.S. VAT?

Its not like the U.S. hasn't been known to violate treaties with the Indians in the past...

Twisted Titan
17th November 2010, 09:27 AM
Setting the specifics aside for a moment...

Is this how the 19-member panel is going to operate? By gradually leaking out a series of plans from individuals within the group? What type of bi-partisan unity is that going to forge? What a mockery.

I think I read somewhere once that the optimal size for an effective committee is 5 people. That's enough people to present various viewpoints, checks, and balances, but small enough to hammer out some type of agreement. Nineteen? Are you kidding me?



Lots of people just sit on panels because they get a paycheck.

Effecient run gubbermint at its finest

mick silver
17th November 2010, 12:22 PM
hell it maybe time to just stop working and let see how that works out for the tax man . let everyone just sign up for free gov hand out . then lets see if china can bail us out

mike88
17th November 2010, 01:03 PM
get us troops out of foriegn countries, cut fed budget in half. side benefit.............if the military is not making the world uninhabitable the incentive to immigrate here is gone. VAT tax just makes the market go underground. Do any of the morons who propose this stuff have actual life experience? The protection racket works only as long as it can be enforced.

Horn
17th November 2010, 01:44 PM
get us troops out of foriegn countries, cut fed budget in half. side benefit.............if the military is not making the world uninhabitable the incentive to immigrate here is gone. VAT tax just makes the market go underground. Do any of the morons who propose this stuff have actual life experience? The protection racket works only as long as it can be enforced.


I thought the troops are out there to enforce other nation's VAT tax?

You can bet either underground, or on the level both bases will be covered by "them" in the end.

Sparky
17th November 2010, 02:01 PM
I just realized this report is from a separate Think Tank of 19 people, different than the 18-person panel commissioned by the president. So now we have at least 37 "experts" working on it.

TheNocturnalEgyptian
17th November 2010, 02:17 PM
I want it in writing that it can only be used to reduce the national debt.

That being said, I don't want it at all.

Horn
17th November 2010, 02:24 PM
I just realized this report is from a separate Think Tank of 19 people, different than the 18-person panel commissioned by the president. So now we have at least 37 "experts" working on it.


What do we have to do to form a "GSUS" gubbermental tank of thinking?

& how much funding can we receive?

midnight rambler
17th November 2010, 02:26 PM
I want it in writing that it can only be used to reduce the national debt.



You're such a dreamer.

Spectrism
17th November 2010, 02:57 PM
Rivlin- sounds like the name of a disease.

midnight rambler
17th November 2010, 03:00 PM
Rivlin- sounds like the name of a disease.


Or a pharmaceutical.

Spectrism
17th November 2010, 03:16 PM
They thought we had too much geld so they called out droolin Rivlin to salivate over our sheckels and scheme a shivlin to loose the rewards of our slavin. Soon there will be a shrivlin of the people's money bags as Alice Rivlin is the undisputed grivlin of bag shrivlin. Most sheople won't notice their personal shrivlin at the hands of Rivlin because they are overdosed on ritalin and the new coma-inducing drug called revilin. Revilin makes people think they feel good and has the illusury effect of making Rivlin appear ravishin.

Those dosed with revilin see this-

http://www.lifedynamix.com/articles/files/Beauty.jpg


Those seeing clearly get this-

http://www.washingtonspeakers.com/cropped_speakers/alice-rivlin-washington-speakers-bureau.jpg

osoab
17th November 2010, 04:20 PM
Setting the specifics aside for a moment...

Is this how the 19-member panel is going to operate? By gradually leaking out a series of plans from individuals within the group? What type of bi-partisan unity is that going to forge? What a mockery.

I think I read somewhere once that the optimal size for an effective committee is 5 people. That's enough people to present various viewpoints, checks, and balances, but small enough to hammer out some type of agreement. Nineteen? Are you kidding me?



Lots of people just sit on panels because they get a paycheck.

Effecient run gubbermint at its finest


And some of them never even have to show up to meetings.

Member of state Prisoner Review Board on sick leave for 17 months (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-11-09/news/ct-met-prison-review-board-no-show-20101109_1_board-members-illinois-prisoner-review-board-indeterminate-sentences)


A former state prison director has worked just one day in the 17 months since he was appointed by Gov. Pat Quinn to a little-known but important state board that decides if inmates should be paroled, according to documents and interviews.

Roger Walker Jr. attended a half-day orientation but has been absent from every meeting of the full Illinois Prisoner Review Board except for one session about three weeks after his appointment in June 2009, records show.

He hasn't attended a single additional hearing or work session at a prison or the board offices in Springfield.

"I'm on sick leave," said Walker, who indicated he has heart, lung and stomach problems and needs the job for the health insurance. "So what's the deal? … These bills and stuff are just astronomical."

The governor's office said it was aware Walker had medical issues when he was appointed to the $85,886-a-year position, but officials did not believe his health would keep him from performing the work. State law allows the governor to remove a member of the Prisoner Review Board for neglect of duty or inability to serve, among other reasons, but Quinn has taken no action against Walker.

osoab
17th November 2010, 04:27 PM
So, they want to reduce a deficit that cannot ever be repaid mathematically. :conf:

I would guess this is a nice sell to kick the can down the road about 1-1/2 years.
I always felt that Obama care was all about the tax revenue need for current accounts. 4 yrs of tax before service and all.