Norton Anti-virus VS Norton "Internet Security"

[Tronn]

I couldn't find a computer query thread, so I'll just put it up here; I've got to get some type of Anti-virus software, I had McAfee, and was thinking about going over to Norton, so I'm on Amazon checking it out, Norton has AV software & "Internet Security" software, what's the difference? I suppose the Internet Security has more bells and whistles? The Internet Security is just a few dollars more, there is not a great deal in price between them

[FreeEnergy]

Not much of a difference, both Norton and McCafee are clueless about modern viruses such as rootkits, and both have backdoors for law enforcement officials.

I wouldn't touch these two with a 10 foot pole.

[Tronn]

Not much of a difference, both Norton and McCafee are clueless about modern viruses such as rootkits, and both have backdoors for law enforcement officials.

I wouldn't touch these two with a 10 foot pole.


What would you suggest?

[FreeEnergy]

it's hard to suggest.

AVG, AVAST, I know people love eset. Kaspersky has an ok engine

I am also running Malwarebytes, which is top of the line anti malware, but I am not sure who makes it, they are either secretive or maybe just small.

[Hillbilly]

totally worthless! I would get: Super Anti Spysweeper, Malware bytes and Avira they can all be had for free. Better yet get a Ubuntu Live CD and use it for surfing the web and you wont ever have to worry about a virus again.

Fuck Microsoft, Fuck Norton, Fuck Macafee and all that other high price shit!!!!!!!! there is free stuff that does a much better job. I'm on Ubuntu right now, I have it set up as a dual boot and I did not have to do a thing the CD does it all for you.

[FreeEnergy]

I take AVG comment back, lately it has been too intrusive, and newer versions only want to run one antivirus program - them. that is a clear sign to uninstall and look for another program.

Some people also like avira, never tried it.

[Sparky]

When I had Norton, it caused more problems than actual viruses. I have been happy with McAfee.

[Tronn]

totally worthless! I would get: Super Anti Spysweeper, Malware bytes and Avira they can all be had for free. Better yet get a Ubuntu Live CD and use it for surfing the web and you wont ever have to worry about a virus again.

f*ck Microsoft, f*ck Norton, f*ck Macafee and all that other high price sh*t!!!!!!!! there is free stuff that does a much better job. I'm on Ubuntu right now, I have it set up as a dual boot and I did not have to do a thing the CD does it all for you.



Hillbilly, I do run some of the free/trial editions, I have Malware bytes & Super Anti Spysweeper along with CCleaner too, but these seem to miss some of the malwares out there

[Bullion_Bob]

Norton's home offerings are essentially 3rd rate bloatware that slow down your computer more than necessary, and their corporate offerings are only slightly better.

The home internet version or the "norton 360" version are even more cumbersome on system resources and even more bloated in size. Avoid them as a home solution, even for free.

AVG, Avast, Avira are all very good free offerings. The key to it all is very frequent definition updates. AVG is updated every day by default which can't be changed, Avira and Avast you can set it as low as you want. One drawback with AVG is that it tags on a certification spiel to all your outbound emails which is annoying, and must be turned off. They may have remedied these drawbacks in the 2010 free version, not sure.

Avira is more sensitive on the detection side (more false positives as well) however the interface is lacking in appeal.

Download avast free version, set it to auto update every 4 hours. Good to go.

On a side note you can run Ubuntu right off the CD, definitely much slower to load, but it makes a nice portable browsing shell, and a great option if you want to run linux without changing anything on your computer.

[Bullion_Bob]

totally worthless! I would get: Super Anti Spysweeper, Malware bytes and Avira they can all be had for free. Better yet get a Ubuntu Live CD and use it for surfing the web and you wont ever have to worry about a virus again.

f*ck Microsoft, f*ck Norton, f*ck Macafee and all that other high price sh*t!!!!!!!! there is free stuff that does a much better job. I'm on Ubuntu right now, I have it set up as a dual boot and I did not have to do a thing the CD does it all for you.



Hillbilly, I do run some of the free/trial editions, I have Malware bytes & Super Anti Spysweeper along with CCleaner too, but these seem to miss some of the malwares out there


Combofix has pulled me out of the worst infestations I've ever encountered at client sites. Solid program.

"Kitty had a snack"

[Hillbilly]

Yep me too, I think the only real solution is getting rid of Microsoft. It is so full of holes and back doors that no matter how good of a spyware program you have something is bound to slip by.





totally worthless! I would get: Super Anti Spysweeper, Malware bytes and Avira they can all be had for free. Better yet get a Ubuntu Live CD and use it for surfing the web and you wont ever have to worry about a virus again.

f*ck Microsoft, f*ck Norton, f*ck Macafee and all that other high price sh*t!!!!!!!! there is free stuff that does a much better job. I'm on Ubuntu right now, I have it set up as a dual boot and I did not have to do a thing the CD does it all for you.



Hillbilly, I do run some of the free/trial editions, I have Malware bytes & Super Anti Spysweeper along with CCleaner too, but these seem to miss some of the malwares out there

[Tronn]

Here are the symptoms:

out of the blue or if I do a search then click on a website (now this is random and the last time it happened was about 3 months ago) all of a sudden the "java-6" logo, the coffee cup with steam logo, comes up, and I 'm not trying to open it at all, and if I let it sit for maybe 10 seconds, then this bogus multi-colored shield icon on a page that says your computer is at risk ...etc then it's all downhill from there, it closes off everything else, unable to log on the internet, unable to open any malware/virus protection programs, now I have java-6 loaded, so what do you think? is the java-6 I have corrupted? do you think it has some type of malware attached? or just being "open" (because the McAfee I had has expired) without any protection on the web, this program slipped in? what makes me suspicious is this same thing happened, the same way about 3 months ago, so I think I should start by uninstalling the java-6 I have and downloading it again, but I'll still need some type of AV software

[Hillbilly]

You need to be very careful, I had a problem like that and this trojan was using Microsofts Dr watson post mortem debugger against me. Every time I tried to download a pic that thing could pop up and freeze my computer. They use a program that you already have in the hopes that you ignore it until it's to late and in my case it was attempting to upload my personal info to some remote server. Luckily I had a good fire wall that kept that from happening. I pulled the plug on my modem and then did a reinstall.

I did not want to reinstall but after days and days of trying everything else I just could not kill this thing. Anyway be careful that this thing is not stealing your info.

[Tronn]

I'm no expert, I was thinking how it might work though, is it that a malicious program will attach itself to a legitimate program?

[Bullion_Bob]

Here are the symptoms:

out of the blue or if I do a search then click on a website (now this is random and the last time it happened was about 3 months ago) all of a sudden the "java-6" logo, the coffee cup with steam logo, comes up, and I 'm not trying to open it at all, and if I let it sit for maybe 10 seconds, then this bogus multi-colored shield icon on a page that says your computer is at risk ...etc then it's all downhill from there, it closes off everything else, unable to log on the internet, unable to open any malware/virus protection programs, now I have java-6 loaded, so what do you think? is the java-6 I have corrupted? do you think it has some type of malware attached? or just being "open" (because the McAfee I had has expired) without any protection on the web, this program slipped in? what makes me suspicious is this same thing happened, the same way about 3 months ago, so I think I should start by uninstalling the java-6 I have and downloading it again, but I'll still need some type of AV software


You have a fake antivirus program "virus".

If Malware bytes can't catch it, and it probably will, super anti spyware, and even ad aware is again surprising in detecting remnants me these days. As a final option download Combofix, run it off the desktop, and make sure to let it download the MS resource kit. Combofix is not a novice program, but out of 30+ cures I've done with it, it has never let me down.

A dead giveaway to knowing for sure is checking out the run lines in the registry. hkey_local machine, (and current_user), software, microsoft, windows, current version, run.

The first thing I do before "getting into it". A quick look at your running tasks is also a dead giveaway if you know what you're looking for.

[Hillbilly]

From what I understand yes. It uses a program that is legitimate so that you will not suspect that it is a virus until it has stolen all your personal info and sent it to some hacker on another computer.

I'd pull the plug on your modem and us a live cd or another computer to research your problem. You just can not be too careful these days.



I'm no expert, I was thinking how it might work though, is it that a malicious program will attach itself to a legitimate program?

[Tronn]

From what I understand yes. It uses a program that is legitimate so that you will not suspect that it is a virus until it has stolen all your personal info and sent it to some hacker on another computer.

I'd pull the plug on your modem and us a live cd or another computer to research your problem. You just can not be too careful these days.



I'm no expert, I was thinking how it might work though, is it that a malicious program will attach itself to a legitimate program?



I totally agree, like I said though, this first happened probably 3 months ago at least, I've had no security breeches and if it were in deed some type of trojan exporting data, wouldn't you think it'd been apparent by now?

[gunDriller]

I couldn't find a computer query thread, so I'll just put it up here; I've got to get some type of Anti-virus software, I had McAfee, and was thinking about going over to Norton, so I'm on Amazon checking it out, Norton has AV software & "Internet Security" software, what's the difference?


good question.

it reminds me of the cereal aisle.

Sugar Smacks, Fruit Loops, Captain Crunch, Frosted Flakes - so many choices, and they're basically all the same thing ... sugar, flour, flavorings, some vitamins.


for anti virus -
PC Tools Anti Virus

for spyware
Super Anti Spyware

[Ash_Williams]

When I used to fix computers, the first thing I did was get rid of fucking norton. It slowed down computers more than the viruses that it failed to prevent. I don't understand how they are still in business.

AVG used to be a good free option but lately it's become too bloated. It will slow an older computer to a crawl. That's just the evolution of software... it starts out great and small then becomes popular and packed with "features" and the people that first embraced it now find something else that is great and small like it used to be.

I go with Avira now. You have to disable the annoying upgrade popup but after that it's a very solid program. Scans in maybe half the time of AVG and finds more. Also less of a CPU hog.

Windows its self isn't all that virus prone anymore. The weaknesses are third party crap like Java and Acrobat reader. Acrobat can be replaced with Foxit but Java alternatives are lacking. The one flaw of windows of course being "autorun" - they managed to build in fundamental flaw, disguised it as an annoying "convenience", and then default it to be on.

[Tronn]

When I used to fix computers, the first thing I did was get rid of f*cking norton. It slowed down computers more than the viruses that it failed to prevent. I don't understand how they are still in business.

AVG used to be a good free option but lately it's become too bloated. It will slow an older computer to a crawl. That's just the evolution of software... it starts out great and small then becomes popular and packed with "features" and the people that first embraced it now find something else that is great and small like it used to be.

I go with Avira now. You have to disable the annoying upgrade popup but after that it's a very solid program. Scans in maybe half the time of AVG and finds more. Also less of a CPU hog.

Windows its self isn't all that virus prone anymore. The weaknesses are third party crap like Java and Acrobat reader. Acrobat can be replaced with Foxit but Java alternatives are lacking. The one flaw of windows of course being "autorun" - they managed to build in fundamental flaw, disguised it as an annoying "convenience", and then default it to be on.


did you purchase the Avira? or are you talking about the free download?

something else I was wondering about, when these programs scan for viruses, do they also scan for malware,trojans and spyware? because I always thought a virus was different than malware or other malicious programs

Thanks for all the info ..everyone gets a big applaud!!

[Luis337]

Spybot Search and Destroy also helps to get rid of a lot of junk.

[BrewTech]

I was thinking about switching to TrendMicro... anyone have any experience with this? I've heard it's quite lightweight, but is it effective?

[Ash_Williams]

did you purchase the Avira? or are you talking about the free download?

something else I was wondering about, when these programs scan for viruses, do they also scan for malware,trojans and spyware? because I always thought a virus was different than malware or other malicious programs

I just use the free one. It works well enough.

The lines between viruses and spyware and adware such are more blurred than they once were. A virus checker will find a lot of spyware, and the spyware scanner will find some viruses. Personally I only use the virus scanner, but some people who have a habit of installing random things need the spyware and adware scanners.

Although, a virus scanner won't remove something like an annoying browser toolbar, or a browser hijack. It won't take off something that you allowed to be installed (ie you install a program you want and it also sticks on idiot-helper-agent program which is annoying yet not really harmful.) Avira will actually find a keylogger, which surprised me.

[Tronn]

did you purchase the Avira? or are you talking about the free download?

something else I was wondering about, when these programs scan for viruses, do they also scan for malware,trojans and spyware? because I always thought a virus was different than malware or other malicious programs

I just use the free one. It works well enough.

The lines between viruses and spyware and adware such are more blurred than they once were. A virus checker will find a lot of spyware, and the spyware scanner will find some viruses. Personally I only use the virus scanner, but some people who have a habit of installing random things need the spyware and adware scanners.

Although, a virus scanner won't remove something like an annoying browser toolbar, or a browser hijack. It won't take off something that you allowed to be installed (ie you install a program you want and it also sticks on idiot-helper-agent program which is annoying yet not really harmful.) Avira will actually find a keylogger, which surprised me.


I downloaded the free version of Avira AV, did a complete scan and it came up with 23 "items" and get this, ALL of them had a JAVA prefix followed by a string of numbers and letters, So what that tells me was the JAVA I had loaded was corrupt, either it was totally fraudulent or it had somehow become infected, of course I deleted it and I did that Before the Avira scan, after it was deleted, Avira still found 23 "things" associated with it...I have to almost believe you can never completely get rid of something, even if you completely erase your HD, it maybe buried deep somewhere and may not surface, but it's probably still there

[Serpo]

AVAST is great and free.......Norton scares the %#@ out of me

[Cebu_4_2]

I have never ran an anti virus prog since I tried Norton in the mid 90's, was like tying a big roll of carpet to my cars bumper. I run naked and only had one real takeover which I had to reformat (last year). My email files are on a 2nd drive along with anything important so reformatting isn't really a big deal. I use mailwasher so I never bring crap into any of my machines (4) and can bounce them. As for browser I run Firefox with Noscript and Ghostery both recommended on GSUS. Pretty much self inoculated and almost impossible to get hijacked unless I download and run something stupid. XP pro with it's restore option has saved me a couple times but not relied upon at all, just an option incase something bad happens.

[steel_ag]

read somewhere that US-based anti virus programs are harvesting data on customer machines :dunno
the article i read recommended kapersky

[Ash_Williams]

I downloaded the free version of Avira AV, did a complete scan and it came up with 23 "items" and get this, ALL of them had a JAVA prefix followed by a string of numbers and letters, So what that tells me was the JAVA I had loaded was corrupt, either it was totally fraudulent or it had somehow become infected, of course I deleted it and I did that Before the Avira scan, after it was deleted, Avira still found 23 "things" associated with it...I have to almost believe you can never completely get rid of something, even if you completely erase your HD, it maybe buried deep somewhere and may not surface, but it's probably still there

Sometimes you have to boot in safe mode, no networking, then do the full scan to really clean things off.

Also make sure it said those things were viruses that it would delete... they may just be warnings of some sort.

[Tronn]

I downloaded the free version of Avira AV, did a complete scan and it came up with 23 "items" and get this, ALL of them had a JAVA prefix followed by a string of numbers and letters, So what that tells me was the JAVA I had loaded was corrupt, either it was totally fraudulent or it had somehow become infected, of course I deleted it and I did that Before the Avira scan, after it was deleted, Avira still found 23 "things" associated with it...I have to almost believe you can never completely get rid of something, even if you completely erase your HD, it maybe buried deep somewhere and may not surface, but it's probably still there

Sometimes you have to boot in safe mode, no networking, then do the full scan to really clean things off.

Also make sure it said those things were viruses that it would delete... they may just be warnings of some sort.


actually, and I found this out on other "free/trial" AV programs, the free edition isolates the problem but some, like this Avira won't delete them(at least I don't think so) it "quarantines" them, I suppose that's lot's better than them running free, but still, even if they're quarantined, they're still on your drive....I rarely if ever get attacked, it seems like all my problems were tied to this JAVA program I had DL'ed actually some time ago, it's weird how those things just sit around and then all of a sudden activate

[Cebu_4_2]

Like mentioned above, to get rid of the culprit you need to run them in safe mode so nothings running is dependent on that hijacked prog/virus. Re read the replies above, we have many folks with different experiences, you might come under one of them and hopefully it helps you.

[Hillbilly]

That kind of reminds me of the one I had to. It kept replicating its self. I would scan and scan and it would never quite get all of them and after a day or two it would be totally infested again.

I'm sure you will kill this sucker just make sure you are not hooked up to the web so it can't steal your personal data.






I downloaded the free version of Avira AV, did a complete scan and it came up with 23 "items" and get this, ALL of them had a JAVA prefix followed by a string of numbers and letters, So what that tells me was the JAVA I had loaded was corrupt, either it was totally fraudulent or it had somehow become infected, of course I deleted it and I did that Before the Avira scan, after it was deleted, Avira still found 23 "things" associated with it...I have to almost believe you can never completely get rid of something, even if you completely erase your HD, it maybe buried deep somewhere and may not surface, but it's probably still there

Sometimes you have to boot in safe mode, no networking, then do the full scan to really clean things off.

Also make sure it said those things were viruses that it would delete... they may just be warnings of some sort.


actually, and I found this out on other "free/trial" AV programs, the free edition isolates the problem but some, like this Avira won't delete them(at least I don't think so) it "quarantines" them, I suppose that's lot's better than them running free, but still, even if they're quarantined, they're still on your drive....I rarely if ever get attacked, it seems like all my problems were tied to this JAVA program I had DL'ed actually some time ago, it's weird how those things just sit around and then all of a sudden activate

[LuckyStrike]

Not much of a difference, both Norton and McCafee are clueless about modern viruses such as rootkits, and both have backdoors for law enforcement officials.

I wouldn't touch these two with a 10 foot pole.


If I could say it better I would.

[Ash_Williams]

actually, and I found this out on other "free/trial" AV programs, the free edition isolates the problem but some, like this Avira won't delete them(at least I don't think so) it "quarantines" them, I suppose that's lot's better than them running free, but still, even if they're quarantined, they're still on your drive....I rarely if ever get attacked, it seems like all my problems were tied to this JAVA program I had DL'ed actually some time ago, it's weird how those things just sit around and then all of a sudden activate

I think deletion is a second, non-intuitive step for Avira. I know it can be done, I did it on an external hard drive just a month ago. I do remember it not being obvious though. It was like "right click, put your hand on your head, tap your toe, type 'monkeyballs' into notepad, and then triple click the virus to delete"

Java you have to keep updated, if you choose to have it. I think the only reason SUN sends out updates is because someone's found yet another weakness and people are getting loaded with viruses again. SUN essentially owns java, and for some reason people program fairly popular stuff in java (openoffice, azureas), so you may be stuck with it.

[Hillbilly]

Well shit that sucks. I thought Openoffice was more secure than that, that's why I switched to Ubuntu for the security of it and the programs I could run on it.

Thanks





actually, and I found this out on other "free/trial" AV programs, the free edition isolates the problem but some, like this Avira won't delete them(at least I don't think so) it "quarantines" them, I suppose that's lot's better than them running free, but still, even if they're quarantined, they're still on your drive....I rarely if ever get attacked, it seems like all my problems were tied to this JAVA program I had DL'ed actually some time ago, it's weird how those things just sit around and then all of a sudden activate

I think deletion is a second, non-intuitive step for Avira. I know it can be done, I did it on an external hard drive just a month ago. I do remember it not being obvious though. It was like "right click, put your hand on your head, tap your toe, type 'monkeyballs' into notepad, and then triple click the virus to delete"

Java you have to keep updated, if you choose to have it. I think the only reason SUN sends out updates is because someone's found yet another weakness and people are getting loaded with viruses again. SUN essentially owns java, and for some reason people program fairly popular stuff in java (openoffice, azureas), so you may be stuck with it.

[Ash_Williams]

Well sh*t that sucks. I thought Openoffice was more secure than that, that's why I switched to Ubuntu for the security of it and the programs I could run on it.

Openoffice isn't the problem. Openoffice requires Java to be installed, however, and Java is the problem on windows machines.

Java may only be a problem with windows. I don't know. I have never heard of it being a problem with Linux. (Although that doesn't mean it's secure. Virus writers tend to focus their efforts on the windows versions of things - way better payoff for them.)

[LuckyStrike]

[quote Virus writers tend to focus their efforts on the windows versions of things - way better payoff for them.)


Way easier is more accurate.

[ShortJohnSilver]

Go into your web browser and turn off Java, that stops Java as being a vector for infection.

[Tronn]

Well sh*t that sucks. I thought Openoffice was more secure than that, that's why I switched to Ubuntu for the security of it and the programs I could run on it.

Openoffice isn't the problem. Openoffice requires Java to be installed, however, and Java is the problem on windows machines.

Java may only be a problem with windows. I don't know. I have never heard of it being a problem with Linux. (Although that doesn't mean it's secure. Virus writers tend to focus their efforts on the windows versions of things - way better payoff for them.)


Well I just deleted JAVA..if I need it again I'll DL it..maybe the JAVA I had was corrupted somehow or had something malicious attached somehow

[Ash_Williams]

Go into your web browser and turn off Java, that stops Java as being a vector for infection.

If you have an older java it doesn't matter if the browser uses it, just having it on your system makes you vulnerable. For a while, SUN's java update didn't even remove the older versions when updating to the new version, and viruses were still able to use the old versions to infect. Vundo was probably the best example of this, and one of the most pain-in-the-ass viruses ever.

Some viruses are of the type, that they just get sent out to random IP addresses, you don't have to "do" anything to get them except have an internet connection and out-of-date windows, or some software that is waiting for a cue to update its self.

[Book]

Openoffice requires Java to be installed, however, and Java is the problem on windows machines.



No. During the OpenOffice install you can de-select (uncheck) the Java option. It will then install without Java.

[Spectrism]

My primary system had that fake anti-virus virus and evnetually the system got worse. I think I deleted it but lost some key registry files too. Ended up having to reload Windows.... and, not sure which caused which, but replaced the hard drive because there were bad spots.

I bought the ESET NOD32 sw. It has been pretty good at catching junk. I had a trojan try to come thru an Adobe program and it snuffed it.

The internet active version of the software is PROactive to scan stuff before it gets into your system. They also keep a record of bad websites that have infected their customers.

[LuckyStrike]

FWIW the whole OO.o team left once Oracle bought Sun and now they are doing libre office.

[monty]

I don’t want to start a new thread. John MacAfee committed Epstein in a Spanish jail cell. The a residential building collapsed in Florida. Rumor has it MaFee’s records were stored in that building.

New CCTV Footage Shows The Moment The Champlain Towers Collapsed In Surfside, Florida- There Is Speculation That McAfee’s Files Were In That Building (https://www.usasupreme.com/new-cctv-footage-shows-the-moment-the-champlain-towers-collapsed-in-surfside-florida-there-is-speculation-that-mcafees-files-were-in-that-building/)

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Firefighters were extricating dozens of people from a battered high-rise condominium building near Miami on Thursday after part of the structure collapsed into a mammoth pile of rubble leaving at least one person dead, authorities said.

Raide Jadallah, assistant fire chief of operations for Miami-Dade Fire Rescue, said 35 people were pulled from the partially collapsed building at Champlain Towers South. Two more were rescued from the debris, he said. More than 80 technical and rescue teams were on the scene in Surfside, a few miles north of Miami Beach.

Watch the (CCTV) surveillance video of the moment when the Champlain Towers South Condo building collapsed in Florida’s Surfside early this morning.

There are little flashes happening before both pieces go down but they are probably electrical wiring being torn apart causing sparks and flashes.

Interior footage caught the collapse of the building:
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The Champlain Towers South Condo at 8777 Collins Ave is 40 years old. It was completed in 1981 with more than 100 units.

Surfside Mayor Charles Burkett confirmed that at least one person had died.

“The building is literally pancaked,” Burkett said. “That is heartbreaking because it doesn’t mean to me that we are going to be as successful as we wanted to be in finding people alive.”
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More from Surfside, FL, Mayor Charles W. Burkett:
“There’s no reason for this building to go down like that unless someone literally pulls out the supports from underneath, or they get washed out or there’s a sinkhole …”


“It’s less likely than a lightning strike. It just doesn’t happen. You don’t see buildings falling down in America, and here we had a building literally falling down.”

— Surfside, FL, Mayor Charles W. Burkett on overnight condo collapse
There is speculation that McAfee’s files were in that building.

A reporter asked the mayor a really “strange” question!
Mr.Mayor, there are speculations that McAfee’s files were in that building!




Video below:
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JOHN McAfee who died today claimed he had been collecting files on government corruption and threatened they would be released if he ever died in social media posts years before his reported suicide.

The tech pioneer claimed in the 2019 tweets that “incriminating data” would be released if he was arrested or disappeared, as he said that those involved would be “crazy to kill me or collect me.”

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He had previously claimed in social media posts that if he was ever found dead from suicide that he had not killed himself as he alleged US officials were targeting him.

35 people were pulled from the collapsed building so far. Search and rescue efforts ongoing.

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I don’t want to start a new thread. John MacAfee committed Epstein in a Spanish jail cell. The a residential building collapsed in Florida. Rumor has it MaFee’s records were stored in that building.

A reporter asked the mayor a really “strange” question!
Mr.Mayor, there are speculations that McAfee’s files were in that building!




The funny thing is McAffee publicly said / posted the address of where he had the hard drives... LOL. That's like me or you publicly posting the address of where we have our gold stashed. So I don't know how his dead man switch is going to work but I'm sure it wasn't from his apartment.