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Libertytree
25th November 2010, 01:11 PM
http://mises.org/daily/336

Each year at this time school children all over America are taught the official Thanksgiving story, and newspapers, radio, TV, and magazines devote vast amounts of time and space to it. It is all very colorful and fascinating.

It is also very deceiving. This official story is nothing like what really happened. It is a fairy tale, a whitewashed and sanitized collection of half-truths which divert attention away from Thanksgiving's real meaning.

The official story has the pilgrims boarding the Mayflower, coming to America and establishing the Plymouth colony in the winter of 1620-21. This first winter is hard, and half the colonists die. But the survivors are hard working and tenacious, and they learn new farming techniques from the Indians. The harvest of 1621 is bountiful. The Pilgrims hold a celebration, and give thanks to God. They are grateful for the wonderful new abundant land He has given them.

The official story then has the Pilgrims living more or less happily ever after, each year repeating the first Thanksgiving. Other early colonies also have hard times at first, but they soon prosper and adopt the annual tradition of giving thanks for this prosperous new land called America.

The problem with this official story is that the harvest of 1621 was not bountiful, nor were the colonists hardworking or tenacious. 1621 was a famine year and many of the colonists were lazy thieves.

In his 'History of Plymouth Plantation,' the governor of the colony, William Bradford, reported that the colonists went hungry for years, because they refused to work in the fields. They preferred instead to steal food. He says the colony was riddled with "corruption," and with "confusion and discontent." The crops were small because "much was stolen both by night and day, before it became scarce eatable."

In the harvest feasts of 1621 and 1622, "all had their hungry bellies filled," but only briefly. The prevailing condition during those years was not the abundance the official story claims, it was famine and death. The first "Thanksgiving" was not so much a celebration as it was the last meal of condemned men.

But in subsequent years something changes. The harvest of 1623 was different. Suddenly, "instead of famine now God gave them plenty," Bradford wrote, "and the face of things was changed, to the rejoicing of the hearts of many, for which they blessed God." Thereafter, he wrote, "any general want or famine hath not been amongst them since to this day." In fact, in 1624, so much food was produced that the colonists were able to begin exporting corn.

What happened?

After the poor harvest of 1622, writes Bradford, "they began to think how they might raise as much corn as they could, and obtain a better crop." They began to question their form of economic organization.

This had required that "all profits & benefits that are got by trade, working, fishing, or any other means" were to be placed in the common stock of the colony, and that, "all such persons as are of this colony, are to have their meat, drink, apparel, and all provisions out of the common stock." A person was to put into the common stock all he could, and take out only what he needed.

This "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" was an early form of socialism, and it is why the Pilgrims were starving. Bradford writes that "young men that are most able and fit for labor and service" complained about being forced to "spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children." Also, "the strong, or man of parts, had no more in division of victuals and clothes, than he that was weak." So the young and strong refused to work and the total amount of food produced was never adequate.

To rectify this situation, in 1623 Bradford abolished socialism. He gave each household a parcel of land and told them they could keep what they produced, or trade it away as they saw fit. In other words, he replaced socialism with a free market, and that was the end of famines.

Many early groups of colonists set up socialist states, all with the same terrible results. At Jamestown, established in 1607, out of every shipload of settlers that arrived, less than half would survive their first twelve months in America. Most of the work was being done by only one-fifth of the men, the other four-fifths choosing to be parasites. In the winter of 1609-10, called "The Starving Time," the population fell from five-hundred to sixty.

Then the Jamestown colony was converted to a free market, and the results were every bit as dramatic as those at Plymouth. In 1614, Colony Secretary Ralph Hamor wrote that after the switch there was "plenty of food, which every man by his own industry may easily and doth procure." He said that when the socialist system had prevailed, "we reaped not so much corn from the labors of thirty men as three men have done for themselves now."

Before these free markets were established, the colonists had nothing for which to be thankful. They were in the same situation as Ethiopians are today, and for the same reasons. But after free markets were established, the resulting abundance was so dramatic that the annual Thanksgiving celebrations became common throughout the colonies, and in 1863, Thanksgiving became a national holiday.

Thus the real reason for Thanksgiving, deleted from the official story, is: Socialism does not work; the one and only source of abundance is free markets, and we thank God we live in a country where we can have them.
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Mr. Maybury writes on investments.

This article originally appeared in The Free Market, November 1985.

StackerKen
25th November 2010, 01:55 PM
I heard about this on my Christan radio station just the other day...

Moral of the story....socialism doesn't work...never has.

TheNocturnalEgyptian
25th November 2010, 02:16 PM
It's also important to remember that the first wells dug at Jamestown were stagnant - the entire water pocket/table they hit in Jamestown had bad water, and life expectancy was only 25 years of age total.

This made it very profitable to import indentured servants (white slaves) from European countries, because the men died before their service was up.

Then...something happened...something very simple...

They started making apple cider

People started living a lot longer - the alcohol in the cider was cleaning the stagnant water...and apples have other health benefits..

Life expectancy shot up to 35...Not a problem right away actually...

So indentured servants started finishing their 7 year terms of service....They got their 40 or 80 acres and a mule. Also given some pocket money, a set of clothes, and a rifle. This is supposed to be enough for them to start their own farm after working for somebody else for so long.

It worked for a while

Then one day they ran out of land. They had reached the Appalaician mountains. Past that point, they had a treaty with the Indians

This forced a contract default. They were bringing over white labor, but had no land to pay the men.

So what do we have now?

We have newly freed white slaves, who are contractually owed land. They are living longer, and are drunk from the cider, and they've recently been given rifles by the very same employers who are refusing to complete their contracts and give them some land.

Things got ugly very fast.

The economy was forced very suddenly to switch away from white slavery via contracts.

And now you know why apple cider is directly responsible for black slavery in America.

Ash_Williams
25th November 2010, 02:30 PM
I ran into that article on another site.

I'm the last fan of socialism, but I think they went a little far with their assesment.

The article ignores the demographic change that will occur when a large percentage of the population dies off. The survivors are likely the younger stronger ones, so you have potentially more productive people on average, less mouths to feed, and at least the same amount of land as before, plus the same amount of tools and other infrastructure.

StackerKen
25th November 2010, 02:38 PM
this site has the Native Americans side of the story

http://www.manataka.org/page269.html

Libertytree
25th November 2010, 03:17 PM
Thanks Ima, I tried to find that to reference my post with, musta overlooked it. I like putting the true reality of history together, good, bad or indifferent.

nunaem
25th November 2010, 04:20 PM
Good article. The colonists weren't practicing Socialism though, they were practicing Christianity.

Libertytree
25th November 2010, 04:36 PM
The colonist knew nothing about socialism, the term or the word never existed. It was an experiment, the 1st part went very badly even with the best of intentions, the 2cnd part went a whole lot better it seems and the collective mindset was discarded.

hoarder
25th November 2010, 05:08 PM
Jew meeziz takes a shot at goy heritage. Let's discuss HIS heritage instead.

Libertytree
25th November 2010, 05:11 PM
Jew meeziz takes a shot at goy heritage. Let's discuss HIS heritage instead.


Hoarder, could you put that in plain english? I admit I'm lost...but curious.

hoarder
25th November 2010, 05:19 PM
Hoarder, could you put that in plain english? I admit I'm lost...but curious.

I thought it was pretty plain. Mises is a Jew filling a void. His economics solutions are offered to solve the problems caused by his tribe, without of course mentioning the problems were caused by his tribe. If meeziz or some other Jew were not filling this void, a goy would be filling it....and that might prove to be very inconvenient for his tribe.

Jews do not permit us to be proud of our ancestors. It's difficult to conquer people who are proud of their ancestors. The article encourages us not to be proud of our ancestors.

Libertytree
25th November 2010, 05:32 PM
Allright, if the Meeezis article is full of sh!t, tell me what the true story is.

The only thing most of us have to cling to are our families, ourselves, sense of honor and the Constitution and related American documents. We are a proud bunch and would just as soon shoot with a .45 as spit Beechnut in your eye ;)

I think most of us know that zionist jews are at the top of the Illuminati/global asshole list but still....history is history.

hoarder
25th November 2010, 05:35 PM
Allright, if the Meeezis article is full of sh!t, tell me what the true story is.It doesn't matter which story is true, it matters which story is selected. There are millions of true stories about millions of subjects out there. Jews fill voids as meeziz does to select which ones the goyim shall focus on.

Down1
25th November 2010, 06:05 PM
Allright, if the Meeezis article is full of sh!t, tell me what the true story is.It doesn't matter which story is true, it matters which story is selected. There are millions of true stories about millions of subjects out there. Jews fill voids as meeziz does to select which ones the goyim shall focus on.

This story does not appear to be written by a Jew.
You don't help the cause when you go off on a tangent like this.
All this story is saying is the "Progressive/Marxist/Green/Socialist" approach failed.

hoarder
25th November 2010, 06:16 PM
This story does not appear to be written by a Jew. Doesn't matter if it was or not, it was SELECTED by a Jew.

You don't help the cause when you go off on a tangent like this.
All this story is saying is the "Progressive/Marxist/Green/Socialist" approach failed.

It should be telling us who invented, financed, promoted and implemented these ideas. :D

oldmansmith
25th November 2010, 06:28 PM
The Pilgrims survived only because disease (smallpox likley) had ravaged these shores before they arrived, spread up the coast from the Spanish and/or Jamestown colony. How else were they able to dig up abandonded caches of food in order to survive their first winter?

It also explains how they were not wiped out like the Vikings and Chinese before them.

Hatha Sunahara
25th November 2010, 07:55 PM
History is a great teacher. Most people think it is a record of the past. I thought that once. But as I matured, I started to look at history more as propaganda to try to get me to see things in a particular light. I have concluded that everything I once believed about history is a lie, and whatever has replaced it is also a lie. It doesn't matter what happened. I'm more concerned about what's going to happen to all of us if so many of us keep believing so many lies. The only history I am interested is in the history that I am part of.

Pretty soon, we'll all be history. I doubt that what people in the future will believe about us will be true. George Orwell had it right about history: Who controls the present controls the past. And who controls the past controls the future.

And I don't believe all the BS about the pilgrims. Thanksgiving is a harvest feast. Virtually all civilizations have some kind of harvest feast. It's not an American invention, but it does have American flavors. I just can't wait for the McTurkey Meal at McDonalds.

Hatha

Stop Making Cents
25th November 2010, 08:08 PM
Thank you for posting this. It really is very hard to know what to believe about Thanksgiving. Of course, the version we are all taught is obviously a sanitized version of the Indians and Pilgrims singing koom-bye-ya together. How do you know what the actual truth is? I mean this isn't something that happened 2, 3 or 4 thousand years ago, this is only 400 years ago and yet we don't know which version of the story to believe. It's sad that our history is a political tool, while the truth is hidden in a fog.

I've been questioning a lot lately whether the German Nazis actually committed the Holocaust or not. It seems so sacriligious to question it, but I can not believe that the real story is so one-sided - Germans pure evil with no redeeming qualities, allies purely good intentions. FDR was a communist and there's no doubt in my mind he would lie to whatever extent he had to to get us into that war and kill a people who were determined to create a bright future for whites.

What to believe - I don't know? If the Germans did commit such atrocities then obviously that is an evil act - I just dont' know what to believe because the victors write the history books.

Mouse
25th November 2010, 09:22 PM
America was the solution to a cost of labor problem in Europe.

Twisted Titan
25th November 2010, 11:00 PM
History is a great teacher. Most people think it is a record of the past. I thought that once. But as I matured, I started to look at history more as propaganda to try to get me to see things in a particular light. I have concluded that everything I once believed about history is a lie, and whatever has replaced it is also a lie. It doesn't matter what happened. I'm more concerned about what's going to happen to all of us if so many of us keep believing so many lies. The only history I am interested is in the history that I am part of.

Pretty soon, we'll all be history. I doubt that what people in the future will believe about us will be true. George Orwell had it right about history: Who controls the present controls the past. And who controls the past controls the future.

And I don't believe all the BS about the pilgrims. Thanksgiving is a harvest feast. Virtually all civilizations have some kind of harvest feast. It's not an American invention, but it does have American flavors. I just can't wait for the McTurkey Meal at McDonalds.

Hatha



This is why each us must keep some sort of paper journal.

So when they roll out the next set of lies maybe a few souls will know there is something different then what is being said.


I forgot who said it but

If your life is worth living it is worth recording.

I subscribe to that thinking.

T