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Ares
27th November 2010, 07:10 AM
The U.S. Department of State is working overtime sending messages to ally capitals warning the impending release of classified documents by WikiLeaks could harm relations in what is seen as a pre-emptive move of unprecedented scale to neutralize the impact of the unveiling of embarrassing and compromising details about the inner workings of the government apparatus.

After making shattering revelations about the U.S. policy -- and its practice -- in Iraq and Afghanistan, WikiLeaks seems to be targeting this time the core of the U.S. government machinery, especially the subterranean diplomatic channels it employs while cutting deals and enforcing compliance in world capitals.

This knowledge has set off a diplomatic counter-offensive of never-before-seen proportion. The U.S. embassies in allied capitals have been forewarned of the release of documents which could potentially destabilize friendly relations.

The State Department, in an advance fire-fighting mode, has said the consequences of the WikiLeaks bombshell to American interests could be severe as the whistleblower website could reveal instances of allies breaking ranks secretly to pursue policies harmful to each other and squarely contradicting publicly stated stances.

"Without getting into specifics, typical cables describe summaries of meetings, analysis of events in other countries and records of confidential conversations with officials of other governments and with members of civil society. ... They are classified for a very good reason. They contain sensitive information and reveal sources of information that impact our national interests and those of other countries," State Department spokesman P.J.Crowley said.

Researchers have often pointed out the stark contrast between nation states' declared policies -- and the means to achieve them -- and what actually transpires on the ground. The inner workings, the dark secrets and shady deals never see the light of day until they may be declassified years later, severely undermining democratic values of truth and transparency.

Now WikiLeaks is out to run a knife through a mountain of classified documents revealing how the proverbial 'secret government' works its way through cluttered diplomatic channels. And that certainly could be embarrassing to lots of people in many capitals, more so in Washington.

The Pentagon has already warned the U.S. Senate and House Armed Services Committees that the leaks will “touch on an enormous range of very sensitive foreign policy issues.” “We anticipate that the release could negatively impact U.S. foreign relations,” Assistant Secretary for Legislative Affairs Elizabeth King said in an e-mail to the defense committees.

WHAT COULD BE INSIDE LEAKED DOCUMENTS?

Media speculate that the soon-to-be-leaked cables could contain sensitive talks between government functionaries, diplomats, military top brass and politicians which may show top government players in unflattering light.

According to Sky News foreign affairs editor Tim Marshall, even heads of government will be the target in the leaked documents. "We think that three leaders might be in the firing line, because we know the Americans have criticized (Afghan president) Hamid Karzai, President Asif Ali Zardari of Pakistan and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin of Russia."

President Barack Obama's administration will particularly feel the heat as many of the documents to be published relate to the time since he took office. Experts say there could even be cables related to the government's maneuverings to get allies accept Guantanamo detainees as Obama was pressing ahead with the deadline to close the infamous detention camp.

Israel's Haartez daily quoted an unnamed senior Israeli official who said the WikiLeaks material includes diplomatic cables sent to Washington from American embassies throughout the world.

According to London-based daily al-Hayat, the documents could show that Turkey helped al-Qaeda's operations in Iraq while the U.S. colluded with Turkish rebel group PKK, which has been waging a decades-old fight against Ankara. This despite Turkey being a key NATO ally of the U.S. and Washington's classification of the PKK as a terrorist organization!

The alacrity of the U.S. State Department response and the hurried diplomatic maneuverings point that there could be meatier revelations in store.

World’s leading newspapers like Britain's Guardian, The New York Times, and Germany's Der Spiegel are ticked off as working with WikiLeaks to publish reports in tandem with the whistleblower’s release of secret documents, sometimes as early as on Friday. Several other major newspapers, including The Washington Post, have said they will not work with WikiLeaks.

EARLIER LEAKS

One of the earliest leaks made by WikiLeaks, which was founded by Julian Assange in 2006, was in 2008 when it revealed that Vice-Presidential candidate Sarah Palin used personal emails for official business while she was Governor of Alaska. "Doing so could have helped her avoid having her communications subjected to state laws on the disclosure of public records," according to reports.

It was followed by the release of a video footage showing 15 people, including two Reuters cameramen, being mowed down a US Army Apache helicopter in Iraq. Apparently the military personnel mistook camera equipment for weapons and targeted the journalists.

The Afghanistan war logs published in July this year disclosed that the U.S. was operating a secret assassination squad and that Pakistani intelligence service was helping the Taliban fighters, besides throwing light on alleged crimes committed by the coalition troops in Afghanistan.

In the last month, the organization, which has become the rallying point of humanitarian whistleblowers, published almost 400,000 classified US military documents which showed the troops tortured Iraqis and that the authorities ignored warnings of the military's wrongdoings. They also showed thousands of civilians died during the invasion and occupation.

NATIONAL SECURITY STATE AND 'DEEP POLITICS'

That the imperatives of running a 'national security state', which was envisioned in 1947, led successive governments and secret agencies like the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to carry out hundreds of covert operations across the globe is quite a banal piece of information. Documents declassified dozens of years after the events have shown daring, ruthless and diplomatically unjustifiable actions undertaken by the government and secret agencies in the past.

Therefore it's not puzzling that the State Department is harried over the impending revelations about more recent undercover maneuvers of the government and its agencies in various parts of the world. That could seriously undermine the success of future operations and destroy the trust of allies, though a vast majority of people, including Americans, welcome the WikiLeaks route of forcing transparency in international dealing of governments.

"The apparatus of the National Security State, largely established in the National Security Act of 1947, laid the foundations for the extension of American hegemony around the globe. In short, the Act laid the foundations for the apparatus of the American Empire. The National Security Act created the National Security Council (NSC) and position of National Security Adviser, as well as the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JSC) as the Pentagon high command of military leaders, and of course, the CIA," writes Andrew Gavin Marshall in an article in the website of the Centre for Research on Globalization, a Montreal-based independent research and media organization.

He says that the National Security State has been involved in the overthrow of regimes in various parts of the world, including in Iran in 1953 and governments in Latin America, besides undertaking countless operations to dethrone and eliminate Cuba's Fidel Castro.

Marshal, however, points out that from early on, Presidents like Eisenhower and John F. Kennedy had warned against the secret government and its operations.

He says in 1961 President Eisenhower warned America and indeed the world about the growing influence of the National Security State in what he referred to as the “military-industrial complex.” "We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together," Eisenhower said in his farewell address on January 17, 1961. Those who support the WikiLeaks agenda would indeed vouch for Eisenhower's prophetic words 50 years after they were uttered.

Marshall points to the term 'deep politics' surrounding governments, popularized by former Canadian diplomat, author and academic Peter Dale Scott, in this context. He says Scott defined 'deep politics’ as “looking beneath public formulations of policy issues to the bureaucratic, economic, and ultimately covert and criminal activities which underlie them.” 'Deep politics’ is the functions and actions of the ‘secret government', according to Scott.

A laying bare of high-voltage communications and secret deals between governments, which are often executed beneath the diplomatic radar, is going to greatly hurt any administration.

But there are hardly any sympathizer for the establishment. Ian Townsend-Gault, director of the Centre for Asian Legal Studies Faculty of Law at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, says he has "no sympathy for those who decry the leaking of documents because they show "our boys" in a bad light. If people in uniform have behaved less than well, and manifestly contrary to their own human instincts, then society must ponder the reasons why they are where they are, and the collective responsibility it bears for this."

Writing in International Zeitschrift, Townsend-Gault says people should rather take lessons from history. "While conflict-weariness is understandable, and indeed continues through the engagement in Afghanistan, there is a risk of some of the important lessons arising from the debacle being lost. More than this: these lessons are not new, not one of them. They have been learnt painfully before, and then apparently forgotten."

HOW DOES WIKILEAKS GET SECRET DOCUMENTS?

WikiLeaks' strategy is to get and post on the Internet secret documents flying out of the wraps of governments and businesses. In getting hold of damaging details about the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, the organization has been apparently assisted by a rogue U.S. Army private who downloaded secret cables in their thousands and handed them over to Assange's fledgling organization.

Army intelligence analyst Bradley Manning, who was arrested last spring, had described the cables as documenting years of secret foreign policy and “almost-criminal political back dealings.” “Hillary Clinton and several thousand diplomats around the world are going to have a heart attack when they wake up one morning, and find an entire repository of classified foreign policy is available, in searchable format, to the public,” he had boasted in an online chat with a former hacker and associate.

Some experts have tried to explain how Manning was able to gain access to the secret cables in their thousands. It has been pointed out that the U.S. military had recently introduced an information-sharing initiative called Net-Centric Diplomacy which allowed insiders to gain access to classified information.

Under the new initiative, a subset of State Department documents are published through a Secret Internet Protocol Router Network, or SIPRNet, which is supposed to be Pentagon’s Secret-level global network. The information available on this network is accessible to authorized American military service personnel.

Manning, who is believed to have downloaded a cache of documents and passed them on to WikiLeaks, gloated before he was nabbed: “Everywhere there’s a U.S. post, there’s a diplomatic scandal that will be revealed,” he wrote. “It’s open diplomacy. World-wide anarchy in CSV format. It’s Climategate with a global scope, and breathtaking depth. It’s beautiful, and horrifying.”

WikiLeaks too has been firing up popular imagination by suggesting that the impending leaks will have serious consequences on the world.

David Talbott, former Editor-in-Chief of Salon, wrote in his book 'Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years' that John F. Kennedy threatened to “shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces, and scatter it to the winds.” Kennedy could not do it; but ironically the CIA was his undoing, many Americans still believe.

Will WikiLeaks go some way in helping unravel the workings of the 'secret government'?

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/86057/20101126/wikileaks-secret-documents-us-state-department-julian-assange-manning-iraq-afghanistan-cia-jfk-kenne.htm

mrnhtbr2232
27th November 2010, 07:31 AM
I remain very skeptical about Wikileaks. While I approach their content with an open mind, I am troubled that they are so good at what they do - almost too good. And consider this - most of what they reveal GSUS people already know or suspect. So that means their audience is aimed more at mainstream consumers. I have yet to see a Wikileaks revelation that I considered earth shattering, but I have certainly seen them release just enough to look legitimate (or even be legitimate) and damaging when in reality it appears to be softening the edges of what the public lets the government get away with without accountability. I dunno - my jaded intuition is raising red flags for some reason. Finding out the feds helped insurgents X,Y, or Z or made deals that cost innocent lives is nothing in the big picture except hiding their crimes in plain sight.

Glass
27th November 2010, 07:55 AM
I also think wikileaks is limited hang out. If the people don't protest then they are alright with it yeah?

It's weird but Govt's (or someone) leaks this stuff out and everyone just slackjaws it. I don't understand why people just cruise over it like it's no big deal. I suspect it is because it's like a naughty child admitting they did something and promising they won't do it again and people go.. ok.

chad
27th November 2010, 07:58 AM
where do they get all of this "secret info?" government people just mail it to this asane guy or what?
:conf: :conf: :conf:

Hatha Sunahara
27th November 2010, 09:17 AM
I've been reading about the secret government for a decade now. It all started with Noam Chomsky's books that give details of the actual policies of the US Government from media stories that are spun to hide the real meaning of what the US government does. Chomsky has taken a large view in detailing the real objectives of the power elite running the government. I've also gotten snippets of it from Naomi Klein, who writes about more recent stuff in Iraq.

I consider these the 'bones' of the corpse that is the secret government. I'm sure there is an awful lot of rotting meat hanging on those bones, and what Wikileaks might be supplying us with is the documentary proof, the meat, that the people who run our government would prefer remain unknown.

Chomsky and Klein provide a perspective in which to view the facts. Wikileaks does nothing of the sort. They publish documents without providing any context in which to view them. So, the people who have committed crimes secretly up to now can spin the content of the documents to gain some sympathy for themselves.

The truth is usually an ugly thing. Wikileaks may be providing a clue to how ugly the truth really is, and that is something the general public has not been exposed to. I'll be looking at these documents from the context set up by Chomsky and Klein, who themselves have been accused of being tools of the elite. Chomsky especially because he downplays the importance of 911. I can understand that from the point of view that he is a very influential voice among intellectuals, and has a lot of his own power to influence people. If he uses that power to delegitimize the secret government, he is aware of the consequences. People who do that kind of thing are disappeared. So, I can understand Chomsky's reluctance to delve into 911 truth--it's for self preservation. Assange at Wikileaks on the other hand must think he can deliver a fatal punch to the king. That is a big gamble. If he fails, the king will destroy him. Unless of course, the king wants him to pretend to deliver such a punch to keep the public appeased. This is a great drama playing out. It'll be a test of how real reality really is.

Hatha

Twisted Titan
27th November 2010, 09:18 AM
Nothing is being released that is "truly" top secret.

It is just material they no longer care for or it will give millions the chance to chase Red Herrings that will lead to yet more Red Herrings that will reveal the obvious.

If anything was even remotely damaging to the elite Wiki Boy and his entire family would have ben floating in the nearest river ( with missing heads to serve as warning to others)

The insiders dont play when it comes to threats.

This is a manufactured event that will bolster the case for the shut down of the Internet as we know it.

Filthy Keynes
27th November 2010, 09:26 AM
Are there any other sources of this information other than ibtimes? Can anyone else confirm that the State Department has issued such statements regarding a "potential release of information"? Just curious.

Brujo
27th November 2010, 04:49 PM
Nothing is being released that is "truly" top secret.

It is just material they no longer care for or it will give millions the chance to chase Red Herrings that will lead to yet more Red Herrings that will reveal the obvious.

If anything was even remotely damaging to the elite Wiki Boy and his entire family would have ben floating in the nearest river ( with missing heads to serve as warning to others)

The insiders dont play when it comes to threats.

This is a manufactured event that will bolster the case for the shut down of the Internet as we know it.


I hope you are wrong, but the recent flurry of shutdowns by DHS/ICE (thanks to COICA) make me think you are on to something.

Cebu_4_2
27th November 2010, 05:07 PM
I still think Wikileaks is controlled opposition but I can't figure the purpose... Unless it is a boost to kill the internet as mentioned. Some of them leaks are enough to blow sheeples minds, but back to my earlier point, controlled opposition. Does anyone think it would be on MSM if there wasn't an agenda at work?

Silver Shield
27th November 2010, 06:06 PM
I love the idea of wikileaks...

But they have not done much yet.


Get me the owners of the Federal Reserve...

Get me the planners of 9/11...

Get me Goldman plotting the housing bubble...

Get me Al Gore scheming to lie about Climate Change to make millions...

Get me Israel's plot to control our government and people...

Get me proof of JP Morgan and the CRIMEX silver fraud...

Get me the plan to frame China for our collapsing dollar and send our kids off to another concocted war for Wall St...

Get me Hollywoods dirty little secrets of psychotic control...

Get me DC's female and male prostitutes...

Get me the Clintons neck deep in murder and drugs...

Get me Obama's Kenyan Birth certificate...

Get me proof of JFK by the same criminals who still lord over us...

Get me convictions on the Uss Liberty...

Get me proof that our banks launder drug money...

Get me evidence the CIA imports all of the drugs...

Get me Alan Greenspan plans to blow up the American empire...

Get me Hank Paulson in jail for the greatest theft yet...

Get me Michael Chertoff bankrupt for his TSA agenda...

Get me damaging info on the Rothschilds and Rockefellers...


Get me the root and not the fallen leaf.

Get me something to rock the world out of it's slumber.

silver_surfer
27th November 2010, 07:54 PM
Nothing is being released that is "truly" top secret.

It is just material they no longer care for or it will give millions the chance to chase Red Herrings that will lead to yet more Red Herrings that will reveal the obvious.

If anything was even remotely damaging to the elite Wiki Boy and his entire family would have ben floating in the nearest river ( with missing heads to serve as warning to others)

The insiders dont play when it comes to threats.

This is a manufactured event that will bolster the case for the shut down of the Internet as we know it.


I think he works for CIA or Mossad

If not this guy would have had a "heart attack" along time ago

I havent figured out his angle but the "need to shut down the internet" might just be it

TheNocturnalEgyptian
28th November 2010, 03:50 PM
Wikileaks servers under severe DDOS attack from unknown party...right now

TheNocturnalEgyptian
28th November 2010, 03:52 PM
http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/8920530488926208

cthulu
28th November 2010, 04:23 PM
“I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud,” Assange told The Belfast Telegraph in an interview published July 19.

Hatha Sunahara
28th November 2010, 06:54 PM
I just watched the nightly mainstream media news about Wikileaks. From what I see in the news, I am convinced that the Wikileaks publication of these new documents is a Media Psy-Op to catapult propaganda against Iran. Wikileaks appears to be a Mossad operation. Another Debka File with a different facade. I doubt that any of the documents released are really secret, and I would be amazed if any of them say anything unflattering about Israel. There is a hidden agenda in this Wikileaks leak. That's what I'm trying to piece together.

Hatha

Glass
28th November 2010, 07:00 PM
I just watched the nightly mainstream media news about Wikileaks. From what I see in the news, I am convinced that the Wikileaks publication of these new documents is a Media Psy-Op to catapult propaganda against Iran. Wikileaks appears to be a Mossad operation. Another Debka File with a different facade. I doubt that any of the documents released are really secret, and I would be amazed if any of them say anything unflattering about Israel. There is a hidden agenda in this Wikileaks leak. That's what I'm trying to piece together.

Hatha


I agree that it doesn't pass the smell test. I think he is an insider and this is all a wind up. I'd like to know what stuff there is in there related to Australia.

ShortJohnSilver
28th November 2010, 07:19 PM
They could easily selectively release info to support their viewpoint on a given topic.

Note that while an American serviceman is blamed, it is easily possible they could have released it in any of a number of other ways.

Right now the teaser of 220 docs is out, not the full 220,000 , so we are only seeing 1 doc in a thousand...

FunnyMoney
28th November 2010, 08:00 PM
I agree. The whole thing clearly looks like some kind of distraction at best or a deception possibly.

Anything coming from a main stream organization is now in today's world very suspect. Anybody or any entity asking for fame or for some kind of status should be looked upon as very likely already corrupted or easily so. Real solid information has to be collectively broken apart and examined by mostly anonymous individuals for it to even get my interest. For example, I always read the comments and the replies to a thread prior to reading the actual original post. But even more important, most important, is to break down the ideas and the agendas as they stand. I'm sure many members here remember my "Nobody Can Be Trusted" thread I posted at GIM1 just days prior to them hitting the "reset button" over there. WikiLeaks might serve some kind of purpose in the future, but I seriously doubt it will be for the pursuit of liberty.

JohnQPublic
28th November 2010, 08:16 PM
I agree. The whole thing clearly looks like some kind of distraction at best or a deception possibly.

Anything coming from a main stream organization is now in today's world very suspect. Anybody or any entity asking for fame or for some kind of status should be looked upon as very likely already corrupted or easily so. Real solid information has to be collectively broken apart and examined by mostly anonymous individuals for it to even get my interest. For example, I always read the comments and the replies to a thread prior to reading the actual original post. But even more important, most important, is to break down the ideas and the agendas as they stand. I'm sure many members here remember my "Nobody Can Be Trusted" thread I posted at GIM1 just days prior to them hitting the "reset button" over there. WikiLeaks might serve some kind of purpose in the future, but I seriously doubt it will be for the pursuit of liberty.


The establishment fights amonst themselves. It is from these squabbles that we probably learn more truth than from any truth-seeking organization. They threaten each other, and release tidbits, and sometimes outright facts. We can expect this to intensify in the near future as the financial collapse accelerates, and politicians and organizations start pointing fingers.

Buddha
28th November 2010, 08:47 PM
I just watched the nightly mainstream media news about Wikileaks. From what I see in the news, I am convinced that the Wikileaks publication of these new documents is a Media Psy-Op to catapult propaganda against Iran. Wikileaks appears to be a Mossad operation. Another Debka File with a different facade. I doubt that any of the documents released are really secret, and I would be amazed if any of them say anything unflattering about Israel. There is a hidden agenda in this Wikileaks leak. That's what I'm trying to piece together.

Hatha


It seems that the downfall of this country (USA) is wanted. That is what Wikileaks does. It is critical of US policies with out being critical of who is behind it.

gunDriller
29th November 2010, 04:36 AM
I just watched the nightly mainstream media news about Wikileaks. From what I see in the news, I am convinced that the Wikileaks publication of these new documents is a Media Psy-Op to catapult propaganda against Iran. Wikileaks appears to be a Mossad operation. Another Debka File with a different facade. I doubt that any of the documents released are really secret, and I would be amazed if any of them say anything unflattering about Israel. There is a hidden agenda in this Wikileaks leak. That's what I'm trying to piece together.

Hatha


i think you got it.

wikileaks does have a search engine.

Israel has more dirty laundry & skeletons than anybody.

but if you do a search on Wikileaks about Israel, you get the equivalent of Zilch.

therefore, the database that Bradley Manning gave to Assange can be described as follows -
A/ full of - overflowing with - embarassing info about the US.
B/ almost completely redacted of any information about Israel

couple that with Assange's statements about 9-11, and the current Wikileaks dump begins to look like part of Israel's 9-11 damage control program.

General of Darkness
29th November 2010, 06:41 AM
A lot a great posts in this thread, and I'm glad to be surrounded by people that "GET IT". Bravo everyone. |--0--|

Wednesday, July 28, 2010
WIKILEAKS WORKS FOR THE CIA AND MOSSAD?
In January 2007, John Young, who runs cryptome.org, left Wikileaks, claiming the operation was a CIA front.

Asian intelligence sources reportedly state that: "Wikileaks is running a disinformation campaign, crying persecution by U.S. intelligence- when it is U.S. intelligence itself." (soros & co back wikileaks / kosher mob & oval office)

The Biggest Secret That Wikileaks Doesn't Reveal - America Needs Pakistan To support The Taliban

"The whole war is a big show, has been since the fall of Tora Bora. This war and the one in Iraq were both won on the battlefield after a few months of fighting. The decision was made to carry-on with this American Kabuki theater, where remnants of the Iraqi Army, as well as the Taliban, became mercenaries for America, Britain and Israel, staging war simulations to mislead Western audiences." {more at Peter Chamberlin's site}

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2010/07/wikileaks-works-for-cia-and-mossad.html

Book
29th November 2010, 06:55 AM
Chomsky and Klein provide a perspective in which to view the facts. Wikileaks does nothing of the sort. They publish documents without providing any context in which to view them. So, the people who have committed crimes secretly up to now can spin the content of the documents to gain some sympathy for themselves.



That's a GOOD thing.

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