Any Marines on here? Advice needed.

[Rip Van Winkle]

I had never seriously considered the Marines before, but someone had mentioned it to me as a posiblity the other day and it got me thinking about it. I am very interested in the air traffic controller MOS. This is something I have applied for before (as a civilian) but never got. Does anyone have any advice for me? I plan to research the hell out of this, in the case that I step into a recruiters office I want to know exactly what to ask for, no dicking around. I am 22, I've been with the same employer for almost three years.

Thanks.

[DMac]

I had never seriously considered the Marines before, but someone had mentioned it to me as a posiblity the other day and it got me thinking about it. I am very interested in the air traffic controller MOS. This is something I have applied for before (as a civilian) but never got. Does anyone have any advice for me? I plan to research the hell out of this, in the case that I step into a recruiters office I want to know exactly what to ask for, no dicking around. I am 22, I've been with the same employer for almost three years.

Thanks.


A close friend is a Marine and entered with the desire to become an Air Traffic Controller. The closest he got to planes (other than flying in them) was strapping bombs to them. He has since turned to a career Marine, going for his 20 year pension and loves it, however he is quick to let anyone know you will be fed a huge pile of steaming BS when it comes to your ability to select your training.

You don't have much say in anything you do. You'll have to get used to that in that organization.

[Apparition]

I highly recommend NOT doing so.

If you join you'll sign an 8-year contract and the Marine Corp. administrators will dictate where and when you'll go, although you'll be given a choice of occupations should you pass boot camp.

If you've already signed the contract then you'll have only 30 days to decline--although I'd recommend telling the recruiters on your turf and not theirs.

Should you pass they'll likely use you as a tool for the government's and special interests' despicable wars and overseas occupations.

There is to be NO dissension whatsoever in the USMC because you've been enlisted and your job is to serve them.

I once considered it but backed out once I finally wised up.

PM me if you have questions.


Bottom line: DO NOT consider it.

[midnight rambler]

Here's some advice: don't become cannon fodder for the beast, a willing tool, a cog in a Satanic death machine inflicting human suffering and human sacrifice on the people of the world.

[mightymanx]

The USMC does not have the air traffic controlers they are done by the US Navy which has a rating "AC" (same as MOS) for it.

In the Navy you are actualy performing the exact same job as a civillian Air Traffic Controler as an enlisted person and the civillian market hires them by the bushell when they get out of the military.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Traffic_Controller_(US_Navy)

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

I sure as fuck wouldn't do it, but it would clearly be a good source of training if you want to learn how to fire a rifle or anything more advanced than that. The big secret is that you can still learn these things on your own without sacrificing your liberty for 4-8 years. I recognize some service as highly admirable but I think it's pretty clear that the armed forces these days are just the enforcement wing of a trynnanistic organization.

[ShortJohnSilver]

I know some Marines, they are generally good guys; however, I suggest you read "War is a Racket" by Smedley Butler, one of the most decorated men of his time, he won the Medal of Honor TWICE without dying to earn it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_is_a_Racket

[Awoke]

Get ahold of WildCard on the 41 site and ask him how long it took to de-program himself from the brainwashing.

[hoarder]

Don't join thinking you'll be serving the American people, you wont. You will be serving America's rulers:

[Gaillo]

I'll let America's most decorated General sum up my opinion of joining the military:

Major-General Smedley Darlington Butler, a 33-year veteran of the Marine Corps who was twice decorated with the Medal of Honor.

In his book War is a Racket, 1935, Butler opens with these lines:

“War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope…. [and] the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
A racket is best described as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small ‘inside’ group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.
For a great many years, as a soldier, I had a suspicion that war was a racket; not until I retired to civil life did I fully realize it…. I must face it and speak out.”
In “Time of Peace,” Common Sense, Nov. 1935, Butler said:
“There isn’t a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its ‘finger men’ (to point out enemies), its ‘muscle men’ (to destroy enemies), its ‘brain men’ (to plan war preparations), and a “Big Boss” (super-nationalistic capitalism).
It may seem odd for a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to.
I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups.
I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras “right” for American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927, I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested….
I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket…. I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was operate his racket in three city districts. We Marines operated on three continents….
Our exploits against the American Indian, the Filipinos, the Mexicans, and against Spain are on a par with the campaigns of Genghis Khan, the Japanese in Manchuria and the African attack of Mussolini. No country has ever declared war on us before we first obliged them with that gesture. Our whole history shows we have never fought a defensive war.”

[Plastic]

And don't forget a little evil thing called stop-loss, once you are in it is damned hard getting out.

If you join, I hope you like the afghan climate.................

[zusn]

I remember when I was talking to some vets about wanting to join the Air Farce. They all said the same thing, "don't do it!" Being young and stupid, I did anyway. I wish I listened. I'm going to tell you, "don't do it!" Don't sign away your life. If you have an interest in ATC, there are other avenues. You don't need to be involved in the American empire and their globetrotting to do it. You will be lied to and by the time you realize how much you've been lied to, it's too late. The recruiter will promise you the world and deliver nothing. I'd rather deal with a used car salesman.

[hoarder]

Thanks to TSA, civilian air traffic is tapering off. The trained personnel already in place will easily be able to handle what little traffic the future holds. The era of free citizens travelling hither and thither as they please is coming to an end. Maybe the Marines will train you as a checkpoint JBT, there should be plenty of jobs in that category when you get out.

"Your papers, please!"

[Rip Van Winkle]

tough crowd...

[k-os]

There was a time when I would have encouraged you, Rip Van Winkle, but that time is no longer.

Instead of encouragement, I would just wish for you to contemplate what you believe you would be fighting for, whether it is worth dying for . . . or killing for.

At your age, the "perks" can seem very tempting - a job, some skills, college tuition, a chance at hero status. And so many gamers see military operations as if they were video games. They are not. The atrocities that you may be ordered to commit unto others will last a lifetime as scars on your soul.

I wish you wisdom during your decision making.

[mick silver]

well said kos

[ShortJohnSilver]

Don't join thinking you'll be serving the American people, you wont. You will be serving America's rulers:


It is absolutely stunning how difficult it is to find an image of that saber with the "star of Remphan or star of Ashtoreth" on it.

Even places that sell them online, seem to conveniently have that part covered or somehow lit in such a way as to not be able to be noticed.

[chad]

Don't join thinking you'll be serving the American people, you wont. You will be serving America's rulers:


It is absolutely stunning how difficult it is to find an image of that saber with the "star of Remphan or star of Ashtoreth" on it.

Even places that sell them online, seem to conveniently have that part covered or somehow lit in such a way as to not be able to be noticed.




i was always told by the marines in my family that the star on the sword is the star of damascus and represents that the sword has been fashioned by the best steelmakers in the world for the best military branch in the world.

i guess they were all wrong and secretly were working for jews the whole time.

[boogietillyapuke]

The USMC does not have the air traffic controlers they are done by the US Navy which has a rating "AC" (same as MOS) for it.

In the Navy you are actualy performing the exact same job as a civillian Air Traffic Controler as an enlisted person and the civillian market hires them by the bushell when they get out of the military.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Traffic_Controller_(US_Navy)



Pffffft........good source..........tribeapedia...... ;D

Info starts at the bottom of page 797. http://www.usmc.mil/news/publications/Documents/MCO%201200.17.pdf

[Uncle Salty]

I hope you like experimental vaccines. The military are guinea pigs for them.

[ximmy]

I question the Government's ability to pay everything they are promising to today's soldiers...

[osoab]

tough crowd...


I wouldn't call it a tough crowd. Maybe just the lions den. ;D

I'll preface this that I have no military background other than knowing a few that have along with a bit of reading.

To me, joining the military to become an ATC is akin to joining the wrestling team just so you can learn to make those cool :sarc:wrestling suits.
The military has one function. Offense. Gaillo's post above from Gen. Butler can easily drive that point home.

Other than saying you think the Marines are a possible way to break into the field, what else appeals to you?

Do you like getting told what to do every minute of your life that is under that contract? The same contract that has been extended to the discretion of the White House.

Do you have a few friends that are in the military? Do you know of anyone serving in the military that has your same views on Au and Ag? Technically this a gold and silver forum, so I am guessing that's why you are here.

Do you want to work for the fed government? I have only worked for a few different state agencies when it was necessary. It's not for the open minded. You conform (suckass) you get the accolades. I would guess that the military would be the same.

Probably rambling with this, but you really need to ask yourself why you want to join the Marines, especially since we are heading to a war. I don't know where we are going to war at, but we are definitely going to WAR. A newbie such as yourself will be put on the front lines. It will not all be peaches and roses like the damn fliers, TeeVee commercials, radio commercials, internet ads, and video games. I wouldn't even consider the National Guard. They are pulled up just the same now.

Side note. Your question made reminded me of this.

Over the holiday, at a family gathering, one of my cousins told me that they are attending a community college to be a Correctional Officer. You just can't work at the jail without a 2yr in whatever they require so that's what they were doing.

So I asked my cousin "why do you want to be a prison guard?". "Do you want to have that control over people?"
My cousin didn't answer, really it was just a blank stare. I asked them if they thought if half the laws those in prison are put there for are truly constitutional and if so, why would subjugate them? I'm just glad they didn't cry like last year when I quasi scolded them for texting while having a conversation.

Rip, I really think you need to look at what you are considering. From the OP, I don't get the feeling that you have thought this all the way through. I could be wrong though.

[bl96S5eu]

I hope you like experimental vaccines. The military are guinea pigs for them.
Indeed.

Ex-USAF here but with age and knowledge I am much less enthusiastic about the military and consider it the last remnant of legalized slavery. If we had true threats to our country I would go to battle in a heartbeat but today's America is not the one when our founding fathers mutually pledged to each other their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor.

To be frank you will have some good times with people that will establish lifetime bonds but the knowledge (either first hand or via a proxy) that you also were a part of a war machine that devastated countless families (a.k.a. collateral damage) is a humbling thought.

Best wishes on your choice.

Carpe Libertas

[Book]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URVCWi3lKu4

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[mightymanx]

The USMC does not have the air traffic controlers they are done by the US Navy which has a rating "AC" (same as MOS) for it.

In the Navy you are actualy performing the exact same job as a civillian Air Traffic Controler as an enlisted person and the civillian market hires them by the bushell when they get out of the military.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Traffic_Controller_(US_Navy)



Pffffft........good source..........tribeapedia...... ;D

In the 20 years of dealing with the Navy and Marines I can soundly say if you want to be an aircraft controler that has the most transferable experience to the civilan world its the Navy bar none. if you want to work on a mud landing strip in a FOB for a few outdated helocopters part time and be a full time rifleman join the Marines. I could have looked up parts of the milpersman and posted it but the link I gave was spot on in simple terms and less jargon.

Info starts at the bottom of page 797. http://www.usmc.mil/news/publications/Documents/MCO%201200.17.pdf

[boogietillyapuke]

I could have looked up parts of the milpersman and posted it but..............


but'cha didn't.............. :P did ya'??.........shipmate???

[chud]

I had never seriously considered the Marines before, but someone had mentioned it to me as a posiblity the other day and it got me thinking about it. I am very interested in the air traffic controller MOS. This is something I have applied for before (as a civilian) but never got. Does anyone have any advice for me? I plan to research the hell out of this, in the case that I step into a recruiters office I want to know exactly what to ask for, no dicking around. I am 22, I've been with the same employer for almost three years.

Thanks.


While I greatly respect the values that the Marine Corps represents, I must agree with the others here who point out that you will be a tool of the government war machine. Sorry to say it, but true.

[vacuum]

Why sell yourself? They'll use you up for their purposes then dispose of you.

[Buddha]

If you were to join I would consider you an accessory to murder, considering you know what you probably know about things. But who cares what I think :)
I almost joined the air force when I was 18, came damn close. Whole thing didn't feel right though. Recruiter acted like he was trying to sell me a used car. He was touting all the freedoms that I would have. lol yeah right. If I had done it though I would be out and better off financially.

[Mill Man]

Heres the quick and dirty version of a story that was related to me from a friend. Car pulls up 100 yds away from the checkpoint with two males and one female. Female exits the vehicle and heads toward checkpoint. Female repeatedly ignores commands to stop and gets past the firing line. Female gets lit up. Turns out the female was not a suicide bomber, she was some combination of deaf/dumb/blind. Sound like something you want to sign up for? Oh, and forget the coast guard as well. I have a relative w/ the coast guard heading to Iraq shortly, for ground operations.

[BeefJerky]

0311 Rifleman here. I enjoyed my time and would do it again 88-92.

If you're gonna be a Marine, be a real one. 03 hundred all the way. Get the real experience. Unless you plan on making a career out of it, which I wouldn't recommend.

You will gain experience that will serve you well throughout life.

Don't get any tattoos. Don't get caught up in partying.

Embrace the discipline (while maintaining individual thought, to yourself of course). If you can get in a FAST platoon, do it.

As someone who experienced both Army and Marine Corps training, I can say that you will be better served in life experiencing being a DevilDog.

Once a Marine. Always a Marine. Good Luck

[mightymanx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URVCWi3lKu4

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What does this video have to do with the OP's question?

We are all used to you not posting anything of worth, but this takes the cake for even you.

[Errosion Of Accord]

Food tastes like sh!t
Pay's like sh!t
You buy into 4 years active and 4 years inactive so it really is 8 years of your life that they hold.
you WILL fight for things like pipelines, oil fields, and gold mines that the banksters can profit from.
You WILL NOT fight for America, freedom, democracy, or any of that kind of nice stuff.
Why in the hell would you choose the Marines. Not only is it the toughest Basic training, they have little more than battle positions to offer. If you are starving and you must join a service (I was starving when I joined in '88) go with the U.S.N or the U.S.A.F. The only reason I would consider the Army would be for helicopter, and they may have increased the requirement on that to being a college graduate. Reserve the job you want or you will not get what you want PERIOD. Telling you what I told my son... If he gets around to starving then he may have no choice but, so long as you have a choice, just say no.

[Apparition]

Food tastes like sh!t
Pay's like sh!t
You buy into 4 years active and 4 years inactive so it really is 8 years of your life that they hold.
you WILL fight for things like pipelines, oil fields, and gold mines that the banksters can profit from.
You WILL NOT fight for America, freedom, democracy, or any of that kind of nice stuff.
Why in the hell would you choose the Marines. Not only is it the toughest Basic training, they have little more than battle positions to offer. If you are starving and you must join a service (I was starving when I joined in '88) go with the U.S.N or the U.S.A.F. The only reason I would consider the Army would be for helicopter, and they may have increased the requirement on that to being a college graduate. Reserve the job you want or you will not get what you want PERIOD. Telling you what I told my son... If he gets around to starving then he may have no choice but, so long as you have a choice, just say no.



Indeed!

Before even considering joining a military branch ensure that you request assistance from charities, friends, or family first.

And if you're still desperate or on the verge of starvation then consider the Coast Guards, USN, or USAF and, if you pass, always choose the domestic jobs available or else they'll likely use you to bolster their illegal wars and occupations for the next 8 years.

[Uncle Salty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URVCWi3lKu4

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What does this video have to do with the OP's question?

We are all used to you not posting anything of worth, but this takes the cake for even you.


Put two and two together.

D Mac can serve openly now. No need to stay in the closet.

[Silver Shield]

[/b]

0311 Rifleman here. I enjoyed my time and would do it again 88-92.

If you're gonna be a Marine, be a real one. 03 hundred all the way. Get the real experience. Unless you plan on making a career out of it, which I wouldn't recommend.

You will gain experience that will serve you well throughout life.

Don't get any tattoos. Don't get caught up in partying.

Embrace the discipline (while maintaining individual thought, to yourself of course). If you can get in a FAST platoon, do it.

As someone who experienced both Army and Marine Corps training, I can say that you will be better served in life experiencing being a DevilDog.

Once a Marine. Always a Marine. Good Luck

I too was another 0311 from 96 to 03.
It was a great time before 9/11 to be a Marine.

Now you would be fighting for a lie...
Killing those who we are raping the of their wealth...
Defending the criminal elite abroad as they fuck everyone at home.

If you want to be a REAL patriot, educate those around you on how we are enslaved and free their minds.

But first you need to free yours.


We all took an oath to preserve and protect the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic.

The real threat to our lives and liberty are in DC, NY, and LA NOT Baghdad or Kabul.


As bad as things are now they are going to get much worse and they will have you by the balls.

So for fuck sake DO NOT JOIN THE MILITARY.

[Awoke]

At your age, the "perks" can seem very tempting - a job, some skills, college tuition, a chance at hero status. And so many gamers see military operations as if they were video games. They are not. The atrocities that you may be ordered to commit unto others will last a lifetime as scars on your soul.


The hero status thing is questionable. A ton of Vietnam vets were expecting hero status, and the Country turned their backs on them.

I picked up a hitch-hiker last week. He was a straggly looking guy, out of work, broke. His car broke down out of town while he was visiting his mother in a Nursing home. Nice guy. We talked about the usual, then got into firearms discussion. He told me he was in the Canadian Military for 7 years.

Five years in infantry, two years in Airborne (Canada's elite). He serve in Yugoslavia. Witnessed all sorts of heinous crimes there. Now he is living in low income housing and doesn't have a trade.

[EE_]

The fact that you are here at GSUS leads me to believe you are awake and will be hard to program by the military to commit crimes against the constitution and humanity. You will not make a good killing machine for the elite.
But...there is a strong posibility you will be drafted in 2011 when WWIII begins. :-\

[RJB]

I was an avionics tech (aircraft electrician) in the Marine Corps. The best friends I ever made were made there, but the best and the brightest wise up and get out after their 1st enlistment, leaving the stupid, arrogant to be your bosses.

At 22 as a Marine, you will realize you had more freedom as a 15 year old in your mother's house. You will be subjected to medical experiments without your knowledge, I'll have to post that story sometime. You will be lied to, constantly. You will devote full loyalty to a Corps and Country only to disillusioned that the loyalty is not recipricated.

They are now talking about cutting medical care for sevicemen (the care is already horrible), yet they have no problem paying the CEO war profitteers hundreds of millions of dollars.

It cracks me up though when I hear people warning about Marines having the hardest bootcamp-- In reality, most Marines join specifically for it-- That's why we're some crazy M-F-ers hahahaha.

Anyway, if you were still in your teens and we weren't in these illegal never-ending wars that demoralize/maim/kill the best our country has to offer for nothing more than Bankster's bottom lines, I'd say go for it.

[DMac]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URVCWi3lKu4

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What does this video have to do with the OP's question?

We are all used to you not posting anything of worth, but this takes the cake for even you.


Put two and two together.

D Mac can serve openly now. No need to stay in the closet.



WTF?!

[k-os]

At your age, the "perks" can seem very tempting - a job, some skills, college tuition, a chance at hero status. And so many gamers see military operations as if they were video games. They are not. The atrocities that you may be ordered to commit unto others will last a lifetime as scars on your soul.


The hero status thing is questionable. A ton of Vietnam vets were expecting hero status, and the Country turned their backs on them.

I picked up a hitch-hiker last week. He was a straggly looking guy, out of work, broke. His car broke down out of town while he was visiting his mother in a Nursing home. Nice guy. We talked about the usual, then got into firearms discussion. He told me he was in the Canadian Military for 7 years.

Five years in infantry, two years in Airborne (Canda's elite). He serve in Yugoslavia. Witnessed all sorts of heinous crimes there. Now he is living in low income housing and doesn't have a trade.



That's why I wrote "a chance at hero status". We don't know whether a favorable wind will blow their way upon their return.

[RJB]

BTW, If you do U Signed the M-f-ng Contract (USMC ;) ) make sure you get everything that you can. Ask for signing bonuses in certain MOSs-- you can get 10s of thousands of dollars, ask about enlisting with certain promotion (guranteed E-3 for example). If you get it on the contract you can possibly get stationed where you want, but keep in mind the recruiter will lie at every chance. These bonuses and such are to entice the not so willing and recruiters get in trouble if they give too many away.

Research enlistment bonuses.

However, let me re-iterate: If you really want to serve the beast, become a CEO for Haliburtan. You'll make 1000 times more, be responsible for more deaths, your hands won't get dirty, and you won't be prosecuted for war crimes (as the men on the ground are for following orders)...