Idiot Liberals in Portland Oregon in the wake of Christmas Tree Bomber

[Hillbilly]

If you have been following the story of the Muslim who tried to blow up the Christmas tree in Pioneer Square and was caught by the FBI. Well instead of being thankful for catching him all the local news outlets are crying that he was entrapped! Can you believe these idiots?

[PatColo]

lemme guess, Adam Gadahn again?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUtvOW6SR0

We all know who wants to ban Christmas trees, Nativity scenes etc from public places... and it aint the scary moozlems...

[Hillbilly]

And on top of that Portland already has way to few parking places Nick Fish wants to ban parking around Pioneer Square.

[Horn]

Sometimes you can do more damage with a dud.

[General of Darkness]

Jews promote multiculturalism and divershity, then get a low IQ muzzy patsy. Hillbilly, when are YOU going to see the scam?

[keehah]

FBI built the bomb. The immigrant teenager tried to make a phone call.

FBI Celebrates That It Prevented FBI's Own Bomb Plot (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101130/05014712057/fbi-celebrates-that-it-prevented-fbis-own-bomb-plot.shtml)

With all of the new security procedures we keep hearing about, it's important for the government to keep convincing us that we're under a very real immediate threat that could put us at risk at any moment. Along those lines, you may have heard over the weekend about how the FBI supposedly stopped a terrorism bomb plot in Portland, Oregon. Except it appears more and more people are scratching beneath the surface and realizing that the entire plot appears to have been cooked up by the FBI itself. Yes, it sounds like they found a dumb kid who was willing to carry out a bombing. But there doesn't appear to be any evidence that he actually had any ability to actually do so... until the FBI came along and provided him with all the details.

Of course, this is hardly new. There appears to have been a very similar story just a month ago, involving a guy in DC who wanted to bomb Metro stations, but the only actual plotting he was able to do was after federal authorities stepped in and helped him plan everything.

Even that is hardly new. I remember a fascinating episode of This American Life back from the summer of 2009 describing (in great detail) a very similar story of a supposed "arms dealer" that the Justice Department championed as a success story when it arrested and prosecuted him for selling missiles to terrorists. The only problem is that the deeper you dig, the more you realize that the whole plot was also set up by the feds. The guy had no way to get a missile. It was actually provided by the feds themselves.

As that report notes, this is how the government has acted since 9/11. It basically creates its own terrorist plots, and then searches for willing participants... and then arrests them, and hypes how it prevented a terrorist attack, even if there's absolutely no indication that anyone involved would have actually been able to carry out any sort of attack (or arms deal) without the aid of the US government.

We've talked about "security theater," but this appears to be law enforcement theater, complete with actors and props. Feel safer yet?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-11-27/portland-bomb-how-the-fbi-foiled-mohamed-osman-mohamuds-plot/

A 19-year-old Somali-American was arrested Friday night in Portland, Oregon after trying to detonate a bomb built by the FBI. In a post that first appeared on Newsweek.com, Christopher Dickey, Newsweek's Mideast editor and Paris bureau chief, reports on why the incident tells us as much about the FBI as it does about al Qaeda....

What sting operations like this do, at a minimum, is send a psychological message to would-be jihadis that anyone they contact to join holy war abroad, and anyone they work with to bring terror back to America, may be a double agent, and that communications are so heavily monitored that any email they send looking for jihadi advice is likely to attract the attention of the Feds.

So far so good. Sowing distrust among the bad guys is a vital element in the disruption of terrorist plots and organizations. But one risk as the FBI cranks out these sting operations (there have been dozens in the last few years), is that the cases will create a false impression of what these would-be terrorists really want to do, and thus distort the way we analyze the enemy’s thinking.

A case in point is the arrest last month of a Pakistani-born suburbanite in northern Virginia who allegedly participated in a plan to bomb the Washington, D.C. Metro. What the 34-year-old computer-science graduate, husband, and father, Farooque Ahmed, really fantasized about doing was joining Taliban-allied fighters in Afghanistan. He didn’t get far. From start to finish, the guys he thought were his co-conspirators were actually undercover agents. It appears from the available court documents that the Metro plot could have been the undercover operatives’ idea as much as Ahmed’s, and if that’s true, then are terrorists really planning to bomb the subway in Washington, or is that just a fantasy of the Feds?

[vacuum]

FBI built the bomb. The immigrant teenager tried to make a phone call.

I've seen this story posted multiple places, but I didn't think it was worth my time to read it. Didn't expect it to be so blatant though.

These days, anyone fighting for civil rights is ok in my book.

[Hatha Sunahara]

I live in Portland and I can say that the local media is fanning the flames of fear with abandon. Most of the people you refer to as idiot liberals are free thinkers like the people here at GSUS like to think they are. They can see that the FBI set it all up, even supplied the bomb, and that the kid they are framing is really stupid.

Do you think it's justice to try this young kid for terrorism? The FBI set him up. They did it because they want support for their illegal wars on muslim countries, and they want to justify the growing police state they are imposing on America. They also want to justify their insane airport searches, and to grease the road for full body scanners everywhere, brought to us by Michael Chertoff who now represents Rapiscan the company that sells those xray death machines.

If you can't see through the machinations of the FBI, don't assume that everybody in Portland is an Idiot Liberal and are as blind as you are. The FBI has no shame about setting up this kid. They are confident that the corrupt justice system will put this kid away for life when the kid didn't do anything but join THEIR terrorist plot and follow orders from them. And that injustice will come back and haunt all of us unless we speak out against it.

Hatha

[Book]

...he was entrapped!



Yep.

:oo-->

[Hillbilly]

If they kid went looking for a bomb maker then no he was not entrapped.

[keehah]

The fact is he did not make a bomb nor know how to. The FBI did it all.

And regardless I don't really give a f*ck about this stupid teenager. What is more important is what the US government and corporate media is doing to the US people. Which is what those people you bitch about are on to.

If the US does not want foreign or immigrant teenagers to be angry with it, what the US needs to do is stop invading, killing, and f*cking up so many countries. Then these country's angry teens will not be so pissed at the US. ;D

[vacuum]

You know, I'm getting tired of all these fake terror plots that fail yet cause more liberties to be taken away - the liquid bomber, shoe bomber, crotch bomber, ink cartridge duds, fbi-made bombs....until terrorists prove they are actually capable of pulling off their plans, I don't think we should take any steps to stop them.

[Hillbilly]

I don't think it matters that he did not make the bomb. It's like when a woman approaches and under cover cop to kill her husband and they go through all the details of how they are going to carry it out. Sometimes they even fake the hit it's self it's the same type of deal. I'm not saying take any more liberties away I'm saying our system worked a piece of shit was taken off the street for good and the media is crying about it :conf:

[Joe King]

I don't think it matters that he did not make the bomb. It's like when a woman approaches and under cover cop to kill her husband and they go through all the details of how they are going to carry it out. Sometimes they even fake the hit it's self it's the same type of deal. I'm not saying take any more liberties away I'm saying our system worked a piece of sh*t was taken off the street for good and the media is crying about it :conf:
The problem is that they use stuff like this to attempt to justify increasing their power to encroach upon your Liberties even more than they already do.

[keehah]

I'm saying our system worked
Going by the last several patsies, no liquids on plane, body searches and x rays, your beloved system will have worked as before when we are no longer able to celebrate Christmas in public. For your safety of course. Oh and the government has gone in debt another few hundred dollars per taxpayer taking your Christmas from you. Since you seem simple, I'll state that of course this will not happen, Christmas celebration cannot be federalized as easily as airport travel (yet?).

Let me repeat, no one here gives a f*ck about the kid, lock him up. Are you not capable of seeing the larger picture behind the patsy?


It's like when a woman approaches and under cover cop to kill her husband and they go through all the details of how they are going to carry it out. Sometimes they even fake the hit it's self it's the same type of deal.
Let me stretch it a bit to make a point. It would be as if the US government 'faked it' to the point of killing several husbands and the press promotes it to get everyone fearful of their wives. Then the government decides marriage is dangerous and one needs federal approval for marriage, or perhaps bans marriage.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/29/glenn-beck-wife-tania_n_789080.html#s193139

We have to be at the rehearsal dinner in 60 min. There are no stores in the area. Look for my remains in Texas.
;D

[Hillbilly]

I am, but if we get all hung up on entrapment then we are going to take away a huge tool to catch bad guys. I'm pissed about idiots like Nick Fish now wanting to remove all the parking around the square, that is really dumb and if we are that afraid of terrorism then the terrorists have already won.

I think this is an example of what happens when you take the politicians out of the loop and let the cops do their job. They get pissed off and Butt Hurt (No Pun intended) like Sam Adams who now wants to bring in a whole lot more government crap just so he can be "in the loop" taking him out of the loop is what kept this operation from going down the shiter.

If they really want to keep Portland Safe get rid of the Max Lines ;D







I'm saying our system worked
Going by the last several patsies, no liquids on plane, body searches and x rays, your beloved system will have worked as before when we are no longer able to celebrate Christmas in public. For your safety of course. Oh and the government has gone in debt another few hundred dollars per taxpayer taking your Christmas from you. Since you seem simple, I'll state that of course this will not happen, Christmas celebration cannot be federalized as easily as airport travel (yet?).

Let me repeat, no one here gives a f*ck about the kid, lock him up. Are you not capable of seeing the larger picture behind the patsy?

[keehah]

I am, but if we get all hung up on entrapment then we are going to take away a huge tool to catch bad guys.

There is still a difference in many of these cases. Modern terrorism is a tool of the state. The 'bad guys' they capture in most of these cases have been fooled by the propaganda the state has been using against its citizens or the citizens of other countries.

The initial offense, the powerless oppressed committing an act of terror against an innocent public to further one's goals against a state, is for the most part a fiction created by the state. The state in effect created these bad guys as they were stupid enough to believe state propaganda.

[RJB]

The simple solution for those afraid of mooslems:

1. Quit arming them overseas. Quit inviting them to immigrate here to a country they dislike. And quit giving them welfare checks once they get here.

2. Charge those in power who purposely let this happen with high treason.

3. Charge every TSA (from administrators to agents) with assault.

[mrnhtbr2232]

I am, but if we get all hung up on entrapment then we are going to take away a huge tool to catch bad guys.

You do realize the "bad guys" are the "good guys", right? That kind of fawning over dishonest law enforcement in this day and age is submission of the worst kind. This event is big - the FBI is guilty front, center, and sideways of manufacturing this for show and tell. Why would they do that? Answer: because it is part of a larger plot against US (that includes you). Do the math - there was never a threat, only an implied condition that demanded people accept the coin of deceit because those that offered it were wrapped in the flag. There's your slippery slope right there in plain sight. Unscrew your head Hillbilly - this is not a game.

[joe_momma]

http://thehostages.wordpress.com/2010/11/30/heartbreaking/

Sums it rather nicely...

[Horn]

You know, I'm getting tired of all these fake terror plots that fail yet cause more liberties to be taken away - the liquid bomber, shoe bomber, crotch bomber, ink cartridge duds, fbi-made bombs....until terrorists prove they are actually capable of pulling off their plans, I don't think we should take any steps to stop them.


If the bomb actually worked, and they were still able to prove entrapment, the entire state of Oregon would have to succeed from the Union.