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Hatha Sunahara
1st December 2010, 08:30 AM
I've been pointing out how Protocol 20 was palying out for years now. People listen and say 'hmmmm...' and change the subject. Finally someone else, Kevin Boyle points it out, and I hear the 'hmmmm....' .

When I first read Protocol 20 a dozen years ago, it rang a bell. It is how the Neoliberal Agenda works: Privatize the profits, socialize the costs.


Hatha


http://kevboyle.blogspot.com/2010/11/ireland-does-protocol-20-sound-familiar.html

IRELAND: Does 'Protocol 20' sound familiar?
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How much coincidence can intelligence reasonably bear?

Read below and ask yourself......Is it not clear that Ireland's 'venal ministers' (verse 33) have sacrificed their country on an altar of destruction?

Is it not also clear that this is the fate intended for all nations in order to bring us under the absolute control of some single authority?

You can guess the nature of that 'authority' for yourself.

Here are some extracts from just one chapter of 'the Protocols of Zion'.

Protocols of Zion, Chapter 20

27. .......Thanks to such methods, allowed by the carelessness of the GOY States, their treasuries are empty. The period of loans supervenes, and that has swallowed up remainders and brought all the GOY States to bankruptcy.

28. You understand perfectly that economic arrangements of this kind, which have been suggested to the GOYIM by us, can never be undetaken by ourselves (i.e. we will always lend, never borrow).

29. Every kind of loan proves infirmity in the State and a want of understanding of the rights of the State. Loans hang like a sword of Damocles over the heads of rulers, who, instead of taking from their subjects by a temporary tax, come begging with outstretched palm to our bankers. Foreign loans are leeches which there is no possibility of removing from the body of the State until they fall off of themselves or the State flings them off. But the GOY States do not tear them off; they go on in persisting in putting more on to themselves so that they must inevitably perish, drained by voluntary blood-letting.

TYRANNY OF USURY

30. What also indeed is, in substance, a loan, especially a foreign loan? A loan is -an issue of government bills of exchange containing a percentage obligation commensurate to the sum of the loan capital. If the loan bears a charge of 5 per cent, then in twenty years the State vainly pays away in interest a sum equal to the loan borrowed, in forty years it is paying a double sum, in sixty - treble, and all the while the debt remains an unpaid debt.

31. From this calculation it is obvious that with any form of taxation per head the State is baling out the last coppers of the poor taxpayers in order to settle accounts with wealthy foreigners, from whom it has borrowed money instead of collecting these coppers for its own needs without the additional interest.

32. So long as loans were internal the GOYIM only shuffled their money from the pockets of the poor to those of the rich, but when we bought up the necessary persons in order to transfer loans into the external sphere, all the wealth of States flowed into our cash-boxes and all the GOYIM began to pay us the tribute of subjects (i.e. their taxes are paid to us who are, therefore, now their real government).

33. If the superficiality of GOY kings on their thrones in regard to State affairs and the venality of ministers or the want of understanding of financial matters on the part of other ruling persons have made their countries debtors to our treasuries to amounts quite impossible to pay it has not been accomplished without, on our part, heavy expenditure of trouble and money.........

....36. How clear is the undeveloped power of thought of the purely brute brains of the GOYIM, as expressed in the fact that they have been borrowing from us with payment of interest without ever thinking that all the same these very moneys plus an addition for payment of interest must be got by them from their own State pockets in order to settle up with us. What could have been simpler than to take the money they wanted from their own people?

37. But it is a proof of the genius of our chosen mind that we have contrived to present the matter of loans to them in such a light that they have even seen in them an advantage for themselves.

38. Our accounts, which we shall present when the time comes, in the light of centuries of experience gained by experiments made by us on the GOY States, will be distinguished by clearness and definiteness and will show at a glance to all men the advantage of our innovations. They will put an end to those abuses to which we owe our mastery over the GOYIM, but which cannot be allowed in our kingdom. (This means that this parasitical system will come to an end when the globalist international bankers [or whoever this gang of degenerates actually are] achieve their 'kingdom'. Read later 'Protocols' for more about this).......

What kind of genius could write such a document......and before 1900?

The writer explains, with casual mastery, mechanisms and outcomes of the processes that direct national and international finance.

He forsees the kind of collapses with which we are now familiar throughout 20th and 21st century history.

He also knows how politicians will behave in these crises. Presumably, understanding that they would never have arrived in their positions of responsibility had they not first proved their venal corruptibility to the people that matter.

We are all falling into a great hole that these people have dug for us.

WHO CONVINCED US THAT WE SHOULD NOT READ THIS DOCUMENT?

DMac
1st December 2010, 08:47 AM
WHO CONVINCED US THAT WE SHOULD NOT READ THIS DOCUMENT?

The same people who wrote it!






We are all falling into a great hole that these people have dug for us.

This phrase brought to mind a poem I read in the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying:



AUTOBIOGRAPHY IN FIVE SHORT CHAPTERS
by Portia Nelson

I

I walk down the street.
There is a deep hole in the sidewalk
I fall in.
I am lost ... I am helpless.
It isn't my fault.
It takes me forever to find a way out.

II

I walk down the same street.
There is a deep hole in the sidewalk.
I pretend I don't see it.
I fall in again.
I can't believe I am in the same place
but, it isn't my fault.
It still takes a long time to get out.

III

I walk down the same street.
There is a deep hole in the sidewalk.
I see it is there.
I still fall in ... it's a habit.
my eyes are open
I know where I am.
It is my fault.
I get out immediately.

IV

I walk down the same street.
There is a deep hole in the sidewalk.
I walk around it.

V

I walk down another street.

SLV^GLD
1st December 2010, 08:52 AM
We're not falling in, we are jumping in. They didn't dig it they just provided the shovels and we did the work. That much is outlined in the protocols, themselves.

PatColo
1st December 2010, 09:09 AM
I'm purdy sure we can go ahead and dismiss this "protocols" nonsense, coz according to ziopedia,

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion)


The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a fraudulent antisemitic text purporting to describe a Jewish plan to achieve global domination. The text was fabricated in the Russian Empire, and was first published in 1903. The text was translated into several languages and widely disseminated in the early part of the twentieth century. Henry Ford published the text in The International Jew, and it was widely distributed in the United States. In 1921, a series of articles printed in The Times revealed that the text was a fraud, and some of the material was plagiarized from earlier works of political satire unrelated to Jews. The Protocols purports to document the minutes of a late 19th century meeting attended by world Jewish leaders conspiring to take over the world; it describes their plans to subvert the morals of the non-Jewish world, to control the world's economies, to control the press, and—ultimately—to take over the world. The Protocols is still widely available today on the Internet and in print in numerous languages.

Case closed, coz ziopedia never lies, and they always tell the twoof! Move along, nothing to see here... :whistle

Incidentally, An appeal from Ziopedia founder Jimmy Wales - Make Your Donation Now! (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/an-appeal-from-ziopedia-founder-jimmy-wales-make-your-donation-now!/msg139858/#msg139858)

Hatha Sunahara
1st December 2010, 10:30 AM
The kind of genius that wrote this is someone who was steeped in Talmudic concepts which portray the GOYIM as cattle, and observes their tendencies as a shepherd understands his sheep. The relationship is one of exploitation. With cattle and sheep there is a primitive art of exploitation that involves nothing abstract. With people however, exploitation is possible with only one abstract concept--money.

The Talmud is called the Babylonian Talmud. Jews were 'exiled' to Babylon for 70 years in ancient times. It was most likely that they learned in Babylon all that was necessary to definitively understand the behavior of ordinary people when dealing with money. Babylon, as we all know was the center of corruption in the world, and most of it had to do with money and usury. Babylon is where the Jubilee was born.

There is an interesting work by David Astle called The Babylonian Woe that describes how money was regarded in ancient Babylonia.

Hatha

keehah
1st December 2010, 10:41 AM
To paraphrase Hoarder who first had this to say in account of the protocols: It matters not if a Judaic wrote it or not or if it is about Judaic control or not. The question is does this satanic work accurately and best explain and predict what is happening to our society?

The alternative is to hear 'top economists' and the corporate press again and again go on about 'this was so unexpected' as the destruction of society continues near exactly as outlined in the protocols.

By simply labeling it 'anit-semitic' (not that anyone here has done it) those who bring the protocols to life gain cover.

Hatha Sunahara
1st December 2010, 12:25 PM
DMac--thank you for that poem.

The poem suggests to the Irish that they should just default. A default, by itself would not be sufficient for them to dig themselves out of the hole they are in.

The Irish, and everybody else in such a situation needs to do at least two things. First they need to remove all their bought out politicians from positions of power. Then they need to pass laws that prevent the Banksters from taking posession of any assets pledged as collateral. Then they need to nationalize the banks and end the privately owned monopoly on the issuance of money. That means they need to 'de-Rothschild' themselves.

There is nothing morally perverse about doing this. The people they borrowed money from just conjured it up out of thin air. And they charged them interest for that 'service'. And they required that assets be pledged as collateral. That is a whole lot of obligation on one side, and no obligation on the other side. In other words, it's a swindle. And their politicians are holding people to honor this swindle.

I wonder if the Irish, or any other people on earth have the cojones to call it what it is--a swindle. If you hear this argument coming from anywhere (other than from me) , you will know that the system has collapsed. As long as people try to honor their debts to the banksters, or allow their politicians to hand over their savings to the banksters the system is in tact and strong--but it is still a swindle, and the GOYIM who honor it are selling themselves into irredeemable slavery.

The Irish should just say NO. They can lead the whole world out of this morass of debt-slavery and to freedom.


Hatha

DMac
1st December 2010, 12:42 PM
What's happening in Ireland right now is a precursor to what is headed to almost all industrialized nations. It is the exact same play book that led to WW1 and WW2. International banks (Rothschild Captains) supply cheap credit to governments. The governments spend it on hookers and blow. When they reach their maximum inflation point the inevitable collapse of their economy takes place. The various Captain loan sharks (IMF/WB) then offer more loans at even higher rates. The countries continue to dig themselves deeper and deeper until an inflection point is reached (default) and the next false flag takes place to ignite war. Then the winners of the war get paid off by the Captains (IMF/WB) via spoils of war. Man never learns..

I know the Irish people are trying to not take this all lying down. I also know that the matrix is a powerful construct. The Kosher Nostra (Rothschild's cartel) is literally banking on the people thinking they are powerless to the behemoth known as international finance. Their playbook has been working for well over a century. What will it take for the paradigm shift to occur?

I'm not sure if it can ever occur. Nietzsche's concept of the eternal return comes to mind. Same as it ever was...

I hope the Irish are the ones to fire the "shot heard round the world", and successfully tell Rothschild Conglomerated Inc. to go fuck himself.

Book
1st December 2010, 12:49 PM
The Irish, and everybody else in such a situation needs to do at least two things. First they need to remove all their bought out politicians from positions of power. Then they need to pass laws that prevent the Banksters from taking possession of any assets pledged as collateral. Then they need to nationalize the banks and end the privately owned monopoly on the issuance of money. That means they need to 'de-Rothschild' themselves.



Easier said then done. You describe our pitiful circumstance perfectly. The obvious solution has occurred many times in History:


109 Locations whence Jews have been Expelled since AD250


YEAR . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .PLACE

250 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Carthage
415 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alexandria
554 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocèse of Clermont (France)
561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocèse of Uzès (France)
612 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Spain
642 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Empire
855 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
876 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sens
1012 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1276 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Upper Bavaria
1290 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - England
1306 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1322 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France (again)
1348 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Switzerland
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hielbronn (Germany)
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Saxony
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1360 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1370 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Belgium
1380 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1388 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1420 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lyons
1421 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Fribourg
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Zurich
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cologne
1432 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Savoy
1438 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1439 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Augsburg
1442 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1444 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1446 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Breslau
1454 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1462 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1483 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1484 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1485 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vincenza (Italy)
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spain
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
1495 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Portugal
1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nuremberg
1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Navarre
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenberg
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prussia
1514 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1515 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1519 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Regensburg
1533 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1541 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1542 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague & Bohemia
1550 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1551 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1555 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pesaro
1557 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1559 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1567 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1569 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Papal States
1571 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg
1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1593 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg, Austria
1597 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cremona, Pavia & Lodi
1614 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Frankfort
1615 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Worms
1619 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kiev
1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ukraine
1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Poland
1649 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hamburg
1654 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
1656 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Oran (North Africa)
1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1670 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1712 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sandomir
1727 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1738 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurtemburg
1740 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague, Bohemia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Livonia
1745 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moravia
1753 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kovad (Lithuania)
1761 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bordeaux
1772 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia)
1775 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1789 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alsace
1804 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages in Russia
1808 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages & Countrysides (Russia)
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lbeck & Bremen
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
1820 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bremen
1843 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russian Border Austria & Prussia
1862 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Areas in the U.S. under General Grant's Jurisdiction[1]
1866 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Galatz, Romania
1880s - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1891 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moscow
1919 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
1938-45 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nazi Controlled Areas
1948 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Arab Countries