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Twisted Titan
4th December 2010, 10:48 PM
http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/2007/03/23/why-the-gun-is-civilization/


Oldie but Goodie ........

The Gun is Civilization


Human beings only have two ways to deal with one
another: reason or force. If you want me to do
something for you, you have a choice of either
convincing me via argument, or force me to do your
bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction
falls into one of those two categories, without
exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people
exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no
place as a valid method of social interaction, and the
only thing that removes force from the menu is the
personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to
some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force.
You have to use reason and try to persuade me,
because I have a way to negate your threat or
employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-
pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound
mugger, a 75-year old grandmother on equal footing
with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on
equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with
baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in
physical strength, size, or numbers between a
potential attacker and a defender.


There are plenty of people who consider the gun as
the source of bad force equations. These are the
people who think that we'd be more civilized if all
guns were removed from society, because a firearm
makes it easier for an armed mugger to do his job.
That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential
victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by
legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a
mugger's potential marks are armed. (As in Florida
and Texas where many citizens legally are.)


People who argue for the banning of arms ask for
automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the
many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized
society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make
a successful living in a society where the state has
granted him a monopoly of force by outlawing honest
citizens from carrying them as in Chicago and New
York .


Then there's the argument that the gun makes
confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result
in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways.
Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the
physically superior party inflicting overwhelming
injury on the loser.


People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones
don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV,
where people take beatings and come out of it with a
bloody lip at worst and get up and walk away. Most
beatings result in at least a minimal stay in a hospital.
The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works
solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the
stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.



The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the
hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a
weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a
force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily
employable.


When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am
looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left
alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be
forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm
afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It
doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact
with me through reason, only the actions of those who
would do so by force. It removes force from the
equation.. and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized
act.

Gaillo
4th December 2010, 11:03 PM
Why Did it Have to be ... Guns?
by L. Neil Smith

Over the past 30 years, I've been paid to write almost two million words, every one of which, sooner or later, came back to the issue of guns and gun-ownership. Naturally, I've thought about the issue a lot, and it has always determined the way I vote.

People accuse me of being a single-issue writer, a single- issue thinker, and a single- issue voter, but it isn't true. What I've chosen, in a world where there's never enough time and energy, is to focus on the one political issue which most clearly and unmistakably demonstrates what any politician—or political philosophy—is made of, right down to the creamy liquid center.

Make no mistake: all politicians—even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership—hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it's an X-ray machine. It's a Vulcan mind-meld. It's the ultimate test to which any politician—or political philosophy—can be put.

If a politician isn't perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash—for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything—without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn't your friend no matter what he tells you.

If he isn't genuinely enthusiastic about his average constituent stuffing that weapon into a purse or pocket or tucking it under a coat and walking home without asking anybody's permission, he's a four-flusher, no matter what he claims.

What his attitude—toward your ownership and use of weapons—conveys is his real attitude about you. And if he doesn't trust you, then why in the name of John Moses Browning should you trust him?

If he doesn't want you to have the means of defending your life, do you want him in a position to control it?

If he makes excuses about obeying a law he's sworn to uphold and defend—the highest law of the land, the Bill of Rights—do you want to entrust him with anything?

If he ignores you, sneers at you, complains about you, or defames you, if he calls you names only he thinks are evil—like "Constitutionalist"—when you insist that he account for himself, hasn't he betrayed his oath, isn't he unfit to hold office, and doesn't he really belong in jail?

Sure, these are all leading questions. They're the questions that led me to the issue of guns and gun ownership as the clearest and most unmistakable demonstration of what any given politician—or political philosophy—is really made of.

He may lecture you about the dangerous weirdos out there who shouldn't have a gun—but what does that have to do with you? Why in the name of John Moses Browning should you be made to suffer for the misdeeds of others? Didn't you lay aside the infantile notion of group punishment when you left public school—or the military? Isn't it an essentially European notion, anyway—Prussian, maybe—and certainly not what America was supposed to be all about?

And if there are dangerous weirdos out there, does it make sense to deprive you of the means of protecting yourself from them? Forget about those other people, those dangerous weirdos, this is about you, and it has been, all along.

Try it yourself: if a politician won't trust you, why should you trust him? If he's a man—and you're not—what does his lack of trust tell you about his real attitude toward women? If "he" happens to be a woman, what makes her so perverse that she's eager to render her fellow women helpless on the mean and seedy streets her policies helped create? Should you believe her when she says she wants to help you by imposing some infantile group health care program on you at the point of the kind of gun she doesn't want you to have?

On the other hand—or the other party—should you believe anything politicians say who claim they stand for freedom, but drag their feet and make excuses about repealing limits on your right to own and carry weapons? What does this tell you about their real motives for ignoring voters and ramming through one infantile group trade agreement after another with other countries?

Makes voting simpler, doesn't it? You don't have to study every issue—health care, international trade—all you have to do is use this X-ray machine, this Vulcan mind-meld, to get beyond their empty words and find out how politicians really feel. About you. And that, of course, is why they hate it.

And that's why I'm accused of being a single-issue writer, thinker, and voter.

But it isn't true, is it?

Ponce
4th December 2010, 11:11 PM
To live by the gun is to die by the gun.......and that's why the state of Israel will die for their guns.

Gaillo
4th December 2010, 11:21 PM
To live by the gun is to die by the gun.......and that's why the state of Israel will die for their guns.


How about you, Ponce... we all know YOU have a few stashed away! ;D

If you can't defend it, you don't own it!

palani
5th December 2010, 04:38 AM
If you view civilization as a Starbucks within 1 mile of where you live think again:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=civilization&searchmode=none

civilization
1704, "law which makes a criminal process civil"

Civilization is nothing but a law and specifically one that converts a common law crime to a Roman law action.

Silver Shield
5th December 2010, 07:47 AM
An armed society is a polite society.

Light
5th December 2010, 07:56 AM
So, since they didn't have guns, you're saying that Jesus and his disciples were uncivilized? :oo-->

solid
5th December 2010, 07:57 AM
An armed society is a polite society.


An armed society will evolve into a polite society, if nature takes it's course. Through darwinism, the bad guys get removed from the gene pool. Unfortunately, the reality is the government, and media, has brainwashed a lot of folks...and will not let nature take it's course.

solid
5th December 2010, 07:58 AM
So, since they didn't have guns, you're saying that Jesus and his disciples were uncivilized? :oo-->


Nodody had guns back then, so it was still an even playing field. Everyone had a right to own stones, or sticks, etc. ;D

Twisted Titan
5th December 2010, 08:22 AM
Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one


Luke 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Bigjon
5th December 2010, 08:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wiRhVzsXFM

nunaem
5th December 2010, 09:04 AM
So, since they didn't have guns, you're saying that Jesus and his disciples were uncivilized? :oo-->

Ponce
5th December 2010, 10:09 AM
Well Gaillo, in my case is more like "If you don't hide, you wont own it"... Ponce

If I were to "own" guns they would be nowhere off my property where I'll be able to get them when needed, but of course I don't own any..........I believe in peace and love :oo-->

Light
5th December 2010, 10:10 AM
Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one


Luke 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.



Jesus only wanted the swords to show that he would not use them even though he had them.

When his disciple attacked the centurion and cut off his ear Jesus stopped his disciple's attack and healed the ear.
It was a deliberate lesson to us.

The swords were available to him but Jesus foreswore their use.

Book
5th December 2010, 10:32 AM
http://theredcollision.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/2001-a-space-odyssey-ape.jpg

The movie 2001: A Space Odyssey depicts Man's discovery and invention of the first weapon and it wasn't a gun...lol.