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Ponce
5th December 2010, 10:41 AM
With my stach of pennies I'll be able to buy a house hahahahahahahahaha
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Sunday, December 5, 2010

Copper: Part I The new currency.
By Jack Barnes at zerohedge.com

I don’t know if you have noticed what I have, but lately it appears that people are using Copper as a poor mans currency. I started to notice during the crash of 2008, that copper was being sold in a .999 pure bullion. The photo attached is for a single troy oz of “Fine Copper”. The list price for this copper, as is, was 12 dollars. Think about that for a moment.

Copper sells for about $4 per pound in the futures market. The contract size is for 25,000 pounds, and it costs $250 dollars per penny when quoting copper, the December forward month is currently quoted at 400.60 pennies, for a total cash cost of $100,150 per contract.

I dont know about you, but I would love to have a business where my future cost of inventory was 27 cents per oz, and after some remarketing costs, I am able to charge $10 to $12 per oz.

Check out this google link to Copper Bullion for sale. It’s not just the 1 oz bars, people are now selling copper bullion in kilo bars, coins, rounds and pretty much anything else they can make it look like a legitimate currency.

The ironic aspect to this, is that if the rumored one world currency is deployed, and it has in it, physical commodities like copper, you can expect an increase in crime to break out. If people started to look up at power-lines and instead of seeing a few pennies per pound in realized value at a junk shop, instead becomes thousands of future World Dollars, we will have problems.

Utilities, which are already heading underground will have to be moved there even quicker, and the deployment of new communications like WiMax will be necessary. The era of cell phones, and 4G internet, will end the need for copper to be installed in homes going forward. The Net will always be there, and why leave your phone at home wired to the desk?

In simple terms, we are close to turning a point in the technology curve, where the value of the copper in the old POTS (plain old telephone system) is more valuable torn out of the walls, than left in them. Consider that for a moment. Now, think about how easily accessible to anyone this stuff is. Savaging will greatly outweight the cost of trying to find job’s for our chronically unemployed.

The streets are currently lined with money hanging from wood poles. When you think about buried fiber optics, WiMax and Cell phones, the question becomes why do we have all of this copper in the walls, buried under the yard, etc.

Ironically, copper is already one of the most owned metals, due to its usage in home building. It could be argued that it is already distributed to the masses, and as such could be considered a currency already.

A buyer of an abandoned house in today’s economy *already* has to make sure that it still has its copper in the walls. It takes very little effort in the big picture, to strip out hundreds or thousands of pounds of copper from an abandoned home or factory.

If Copper becomes part of the next global currency, the world will have a new crime wave. The only difference, is that it will be based on a physical commodity changing hands, or at least represented in the exchange. While there is not enough Gold in the world, or Silver in the world to act as the physical basis of a currency, there is enough Copper.

Is that enough of a reason to develop it into an international currency? What say you?

Disclosure: Jack Barnes has no exposure to Copper, or any companies listed in this article. This disclosure and others are available at JackHBarnes.com

http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2010/12/copper-part-i-new-currency.html

FreeEnergy
5th December 2010, 09:11 PM
yes, and it sounds like incidentally JP Morgan is about to start an ETF in copper.

BarneyFag
5th December 2010, 09:56 PM
I have been thinking about this more often, I just sold off a 500 #s of copper. I would need it in bars to store, where scrap takes up alot of space. My company replaces copper theft atleast one job a week. Most city copper theft is from light poles, parks trails, all overhead wire is alluminun. I've also done houses, where squatters riped every piece of copper out. But copper theft is huge right now. Whether currency or not I,m sure there is money to be made.

Sparky
5th December 2010, 09:57 PM
If everyone's were to rip hundreds of pounds of copper out of their household to sell to the scrap market, wouldn't that oversupply the market and drive the price down?

skid
5th December 2010, 10:44 PM
If everyone's were to rip hundreds of pounds of copper out of their household to sell to the scrap market, wouldn't that oversupply the market and drive the price down?


Only older homes have significant amounts of copper. And that's mostly in the piping. As far as electrical wire, there's less than 100 pounds unless the house is huge...

BarneyFag
5th December 2010, 10:59 PM
For #1 copper i can sell scrap for $4 pound. I'm looking at bullion prices and seeing $9 pound bar 16 oz.
22# bar selling for $180, that is $88 in copper. Something doesn't seem right here, double triple scrap price.

vacuum
6th December 2010, 12:45 AM
For #1 copper i can sell scrap for $4 pound. I'm looking at bullion prices and seeing $9 pound bar 16 oz.
22# bar selling for $180, that is $88 in copper. Something doesn't seem right here, double triple scrap price.


It probably takes a fair amount of work to make copper bars. The construction industry is so efficient that you could probably get copper wire cheaper than someone making copper bullion bars. They may make 10,000 bars, but there are hundreds of thousands of feet of wire produced.

gunDriller
6th December 2010, 04:51 AM
maybe JPMorgan is trying to hedge their silver short position by going long copper.

Silver Rocket Bitches!
6th December 2010, 06:26 AM
maybe JPMorgan is trying to hedge their silver short position by going long copper.


I think this makes sense. They just bought over half of the copper on the London Metal Exchange and they're firing up a copper ETF. It's like they're trying to become the Hunt Brothers of copper.

A comment on another board mentioned that pulling so much copper off the market will force copper mining operations to fire back up to accommodate which means silver being mined as a by product which they will pick up to cover their shorts.

All sound speculation IMO.