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Serpo
6th December 2010, 06:33 PM
Reuters) - Silver rose above $30 an ounce for the first time since 1980 on Monday as gold set a record high, but thin volume for both metals could indicate near-term weakness as some investors stayed on the sidelines ahead of the year end.

Gold and silver rose in a safe-haven play on the back of speculation U.S. authorities will extend monetary easing and lingering worries over euro zone debt, analysts said.

While gold has grabbed investors' attention this year with its rally to record highs above $1,420 an ounce, silver has quietly outpaced those gains. A $100 investment in silver on January 1 would now be worth about $180, versus a gold investment's $130.

"The (silver) market is extremely well bid. The funds are obviously adding the support underneath the market," said Frank McGhee, head precious metals trader of Integrated Brokerage Services LLC in Chicago.

"You've got dwindling above-ground stocks, you've got tremendous interest in the market, you've got the Fed now talking about QE3," McGhee said. He added silver has been playing catch-up to gold's rally.

Spot silver rose 2.5 percent to $30.08 an ounce, having earlier hit a 30-year high at $30.25.

Spot gold rose 0.4 percent to $1,419.65 an ounce. It climbed to an all-time high at $1,427.01 an ounce late in the U.S. session. U.S. gold futures for December delivery settled up $9.90 at $1,416.10 an ounce.

COMEX silver futures volume at 81,000 lots, almost 70 percent below their 250-day average, while gold volume was at 140,000 contracts, more than 40 percent below its 30-day average, as some trading desks and funds have already closed their books ahead of the year end.

"It seems like there are less players in the market, and that only seem to accentuate the trend because there is less volume...That's how you see a move in silver much grander than gold right now," said Mihir Dange, COMEX gold floor trader.

However, one analyst said that dwindling turnover for silver futures could signal price decline in the near term.

"Volume is key, and the low volume is suggesting this is a temporary, short-term top for silver," said David Morgan, founder of Silver-Investor.com.

The rally in silver -- up nearly 80 percent this year versus gold's 30 percent gain -- has narrowed the gold-to-silver ratio to less than 48, its lowest level since the first quarter of 2007 and a point at which more analysts were beginning to call silver overvalued.

Net long positions in U.S. silver futures held by speculators rose by 12 percent in the week ended November 30, as momentum traders jumped back into a market that has since then rallied to a 30-year high, according to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission data.

At over $30 an ounce, silver is at its highest level since 1980 when a physical squeeze briefly sent it above $50 an ounce in the Hunt Brothers' infamous attempt to corner the market. The Hunts were later convicted of conspiring to manipulate the market.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6A80F320101206

Horn
6th December 2010, 06:46 PM
Does that mean we have 3 decades of inflation yet to go? :D

JohnQPublic
6th December 2010, 06:51 PM
...COMEX silver futures volume at 81,000 lots, almost 70 percent below their 250-day average, while gold volume was at 140,000 contracts, more than 40 percent below its 30-day average, as some trading desks and funds have already closed their books ahead of the year end.

"It seems like there are less players in the market, and that only seem to accentuate the trend because there is less volume...That's how you see a move in silver much grander than gold right now," said Mihir Dange, COMEX gold floor trader.

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Interesting.

Cebu_4_2
6th December 2010, 06:52 PM
Didn't silver go above 30 2 weeks ago?

Shorty Harris
6th December 2010, 07:10 PM
There is a world of difference between 30.00Frn's in 1980, and 30.00 in todays value.

JohnQPublic
6th December 2010, 07:21 PM
There is a world of difference between 30.00Frn's in 1980, and 30.00 in todays value.


This is a sign that we are not in a special ircumstance buibble (i.e., Hunt Bros.). On the other hand the comment on low volumes is disturbing.

Cebu_4_2
6th December 2010, 07:24 PM
There is a world of difference between 30.00Frn's in 1980, and 30.00 in todays value.


This is a sign that we are not in a special ircumstance buibble (i.e., Hunt Bros.). On the other hand the comment on low volumes is disturbing.


Not to worry, everyone is at china mart stocking up on preps before the new year.

1970 silver art
6th December 2010, 07:28 PM
There is a world of difference between 30.00Frn's in 1980, and 30.00 in todays value.


This is a sign that we are not in a special ircumstance buibble (i.e., Hunt Bros.). On the other hand the comment on low volumes is disturbing.


Not to worry, everyone is at china mart stocking up on preps before the new year.


Everyone is trying to get in on the "ground floor" by buying Great Value Carrots. ;D

Horn
6th December 2010, 07:32 PM
Everyone is trying to get in on the "ground floor" by buying Great Value Carrots. ;D



I'm listening to the news right now & the talking heads are actually starting to think they can fix the national debt, so anything is up for grabs at this point.

sirgonzo420
6th December 2010, 07:33 PM
There is a world of difference between 30.00Frn's in 1980, and 30.00 in todays value.


According to the CPI, $30 in 2009 is worth $77.10 in 1980.

Horn
6th December 2010, 07:37 PM
There is a world of difference between 30.00Frn's in 1980, and 30.00 in todays value.


According to the CPI, $30 in 2009 is worth $77.10 in 1980.


I'm beginning to think that silver is the only way possible to cause enough inflation to save the entire system. :)

Joe King
6th December 2010, 07:45 PM
Does that mean we have 3 decades of inflation yet to go? :D

If the Bernack gets his way, then yes.





On an aside, how many here were selling in 1980? ;D

BarneyFag
6th December 2010, 07:50 PM
Didn't silver go above 30 2 weeks ago?


The highest I saw was $29.99

StackerKen
6th December 2010, 07:53 PM
There is a world of difference between 30.00Frn's in 1980, and 30.00 in todays value.


According to the CPI, $30 in 2009 is worth $77.10 in 1980.


according to coinflation.com and my calculations using a franklin half, $30 in 1964 is worth $652.20 now ;D

AndreaGail
6th December 2010, 08:00 PM
as a relative newbie i can finally reminisce about buying silver for $12 / oz :D

i was always jealous of the people that got in at $4....

Silver Shield
6th December 2010, 09:03 PM
There is a world of difference between 30.00Frn's in 1980, and 30.00 in todays value.


According to the CPI, $30 in 2009 is worth $77.10 in 1980.
Using their government rigged, hedonically adjusted, substitute, and weighted numbers...

V10Silver
6th December 2010, 09:20 PM
as a relative newbie i can finally reminisce about buying silver for $12 / oz :D

i was always jealous of the people that got in at $4....


Soon you'll be the one others are jealous of because you have some at all!

platinumdude
6th December 2010, 09:33 PM
SELL SELL SELL!!!!