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MAGNES
6th December 2010, 06:36 PM
Just an overview, something to think about, good summary,
no how to, learning skills is key, even small skills, building
groups of people to work together and share skills is key
too. Low technology has been lost , but needed.

10 Skills Needed To Thrive In A Post-Collapse World

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Knowledge is something that no one can take from you. It’s the eternal wealth that will help you thrive in a Post-Collapse world.
Mad Max: Village Roadshow Pictures

Jeffrey Green
Activist Post

Some experts see the perfect storm emerging for a dramatic collapse of Western civilization claiming we’ve reached environmental, economic, and geopolitical tipping points. Clearly, some skills will be far more valuable than others if this societal breakdown occurs. Sorry bankers, lawyers, and accountants, there won’t be a need for you in a post-collapse world.

Before we quantify the skill sets that will be viable, it is important to define the severity of a “post-collapse” scenario. When taken as a whole, together these tipping points could potentially converge to create a post-apocalyptic Mad Max-type world for the vast majority of humanity. However, given the advanced technology that we possess today, it is unlikely to ever become quite that primitive ever again. Surely there will be pockets of energy and food independence no matter what possible scenario unfolds, but the vast majority may be left to fend for themselves.

It would take a serious cataclysmic earth event like a super volcano, a meteor impact, major electromagnetic pulse event, or dramatic pole shift to affect the entirety of humanity. Man-made events like nuclear war, environmental damage, or total economic collapse, no matter how devastating, will be somewhat isolated and contained to specific areas and populations. Incidentally, every nation or territory that has experienced these man-made catastrophes has roared back to life in less than one generation. The only example of nuclear survival was in Japan, while the largest recent economic collapse was the break-up of the Soviet Union. In both cases those countries went through a very tough period, but ultimately they persevered.

For sake of this article, let’s assume that some level of devastation is caused by each type of tipping point in the United States. Our ever escalating wars finally reach our shores by way of long-range nuclear missiles, total economic collapse occurs rendering the dollar worthless, and we would likely have less electricity and water than Iraq did after Bush’s “shock and awe” campaign. Gasoline and oil supplies would likely be down to a trickle, halting all supply lines of food and other goods to big box stores. Factory farming will be impossible without cheap oil products readily available. The suffering will be dramatic.

The only question will become, how do the citizens react? Both the USSR and early 1950s Japan were far more agrarian, and far less dependent on big box stores than America currently is. American dependence on long supply lines, interconnected yet vulnerable electric grid, and pharmaceutical-based healthcare may lead to a more severe breakdown of society than witnessed in those countries. Although, innovative technology for alternative energy and agriculture practices will play a part in surviving; but they can only help the few with the knowledge, means, and stability to use them. And stability will be in low supply for some time, resulting in only small groups with relative comfort — those who planned for the worse. However, as an optimist, I believe that after the initial chaos Americans will rediscover solidarity for one-another, much like they did after 9/11, but this time it will be more sustained out of absolute necessity.

Many articles have been written about how to survive the coming collapse, or what is needed to survive, but not many articles have been written about what skills will have value in a post-collapse world. Imagine fulfilling human necessity without consistent fuel or electricity, large-scale food production, or fully-stocked pharmacies and hospitals. The only form of wealth in a collapsed civilization is the knowledge and skills to produce something of human value.

Here are 10 invaluable skills that will likely help you sustain yourself in a hand-made local world:

1. Organic Gardening and Seed Saving: Skills involving food production will be the most valuable in a post-collapse society. Learning to grow your own food is a must. Obviously, it is necessary to feed your family, but you will also be able to trade your abundance for other items. Additionally, learning to save seeds will also provide another excellent means of trade.

2. Food Processing and Preservation: Learning to process and preserve foods will be another huge skill in a post-collapse world. Taking seasonal abundance and preserving it for future consumption or trade will be vital. Remember, learning to do this with limited electricity is a must. This can also include learning to brew beer, mead, vinegar, or other alcoholic beverages from meager ingredients.

3. Hunting, Fishing, and Gathering: Learning to fish and hunt is essential to survival. Having the proper gear and training will be priceless after the collapse of modern civilization. Having reference guides for edible plants in your region, repairing weapons, trapping wild game, and fishing are great tools to have if you haven’t the time to learn them now. In regards to weapons, your ability to use them also gives you the skill of working security.

4. Animal Husbandry: Notice the first four categories are related to food production. It’s that important. Just gaining knowledge of one of these categories will give you an invaluable skill to thrive in a post-apocalyptic world. Knowledge of animal husbandry can provide endless amounts of sustainable meat, eggs, and milk to you and your tribe.

5. Construction: Construction skills will be very important in a shattered civilization. These skills, especially without power tools, are not something you learn overnight. If you have some basic skills it may be worth learning a few techniques for building small structures with crude hand tools. There are many books teaching anyone how to build basic cabins, sheds, and composting outhouses.

6. Alternative Energy and Fuels: Having the knowledge to implement alternative energy systems will make you a wealthy survivor in a “dark” world. You can learn to build your own alternative energy systems, or you can purchase back up solar generators in preparation for emergencies. There are also small fuel refinery systems available like the biodiesel Fuelmeister, and the new invention from Japan that turns plastic into oil. Knowledge of how to create energy would be invaluable when oil is scarce.

7. Water Purification: Since it’s difficult to pump well water without electricity and with surface water likely to be contaminated, clean water will be in very limited supply. Learning to purify water will allow you thrive during this time. You can also purchase water filters for your go-bag that will last weeks, and you can have back-up tablets should you need them. However, the skill and knowledge to purify water should be the goal as that can never run out.

8. Basic First Aid and Natural Medicine: This is another skill that can take years to develop and learn, but that will be crucial when supply lines of pharmaceuticals are cut off and hospitals are over-run. Knowledge of growing herbal gardens for making medicine at home will prove to be very important. Learning basic procedures for stitching wounds, CPR, and more will also be of great assistance. Being the tribe’s shaman with a natural medicine chest is a prestigious position

9. Mechanics: Mechanics for cars, motorcycles, tractors and other machinery will likely be in high demand. In addition, bicycle mechanics will also fair well in world where fuel is very expensive or hard to come by. These are also skills that are not learned over night, but it will be wise to at least have access to books or how-to videos.

10. Soap and Candle Making: With long supply lines decimated and electricity on the fritz, soap and candle makers will provide a valuable product. Clearly some preparation of storing raw materials may be needed to achieve trade-able levels of these goods. Even if you just had the knowledge to make soap or candles just for your immediate tribe, you will be much better off for it.

You’ll notice that many of these skills also fall into the category of what you would need to be self-sufficient. Again, learning all of these skills will be virtually impossible, especially if the collapse isn’t that far off as many predict. Determine which skills that most appeal to you and focus on them by studying and acquiring the tools needed. Since you can’t become an expert in everything it may be wise to recruit tribe members with various survival skills. It will also be beneficial to build up your library of “how to” books and videos for tasks that you are not proficient in. You can download any video from Youtube by using Keepvid.com and build your library into an external hard drive.
Remember, knowledge of and skills to produce human necessities will be the only form of wealth creation in a hand-made world. Knowledge is something that no one can take from you. It’s the eternal wealth that will help you thrive in a Post-Collapse world. Get Prepared Now!

Fortyone
6th December 2010, 06:52 PM
11. They forgot the one about how to defend yourself and property.(see Jugoslavia or Somalia 1990s for examples)

12.Dont trust anyone you dont already know and be wary of them as well.

General of Darkness
6th December 2010, 07:09 PM
13. Knowing how to make moonshine. ;D

14. Distilling water

solid
6th December 2010, 07:11 PM
This is a very helpful straightforward article, easy to understand.

It helps to identify weaknesses, and see strengths. Personally, I'm lacking on some the skills at the top of this list. Most of my skills are at the bottom. I'm a pretty good fix-it person, and as a certified EMT, my first aid skills are top notch. Practiced in the field, as well.

I know nothing about gardening, or food processing, however.

Good read, thanks for sharing it.

vacuum
6th December 2010, 08:59 PM
It would be nice to have a historical basis for these thought experiments. I'm sure they are up there, but there will be one or two huge key areas that will end up being the most important...those are hard to predict.

Libertytree
6th December 2010, 09:25 PM
It would be nice to have a historical basis for these thought experiments. I'm sure they are up there, but there will be one or two huge key areas that will end up being the most important...those are hard to predict.


I think we have all the historical data we need, it really just depends on how bad you think the collapse will be and for how long. This could range anywhere from the pioneer era to early industrial era or to the late 50's. In the overall scheme of things the high tech era is relatively young and the information to relearn essential skills is available. Making a prioritized list of needs is fairly simple, food/fire, water, shelter, medical, protection etc...

Ponce
6th December 2010, 09:32 PM
15- Machinest

Who will make new parts?.........that's why I got myself a new metal engine lathe.......just in case I run out of money........the plan behind the plan behing the plan?

Book
6th December 2010, 09:36 PM
The only form of wealth in a collapsed civilization is the knowledge and skills to produce something of human value.



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_O2JHv7M-9RE/Sw32_7eCmbI/AAAAAAAAATg/UnIGHiJiJcw/s1600/Blackwater%20in%20New%20Orleans.jpg
Blackwater in New Orleans during Katrina


Your local War Lord will really appreciate your knowledge and skills when his thugs arrive to take whatever you produced.

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Ponce
6th December 2010, 09:48 PM
Book? when the times comes it will be a free fire zone and there are more of us than them......we do have a militia ready to go into action, specially against mercs.

Libertytree
6th December 2010, 09:58 PM
It's a damn good thing nobody was gunnin for their ass or waiting for'em! It'd be like shootin' fish in a barrel, their walking in the middle of the street, exposed from above from numerous positions.







The only form of wealth in a collapsed civilization is the knowledge and skills to produce something of human value.



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_O2JHv7M-9RE/Sw32_7eCmbI/AAAAAAAAATg/UnIGHiJiJcw/s1600/Blackwater%20in%20New%20Orleans.jpg
Blackwater in New Orleans during Katrina


Your local War Lord will really appreciate your knowledge and skills when his thugs arrive to take whatever you produced.

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skid
6th December 2010, 11:38 PM
It's a damn good thing nobody was gunnin for their ass or waiting for'em! It'd be like shootin' fish in a barrel, their walking in the middle of the street, exposed from above from numerous positions.







The only form of wealth in a collapsed civilization is the knowledge and skills to produce something of human value.



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_O2JHv7M-9RE/Sw32_7eCmbI/AAAAAAAAATg/UnIGHiJiJcw/s1600/Blackwater%20in%20New%20Orleans.jpg
Blackwater in New Orleans during Katrina


Your local War Lord will really appreciate your knowledge and skills when his thugs arrive to take whatever you produced.

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Looks like some of those boys wouldn't do so well without a regular feeding ;D

Gaillo
6th December 2010, 11:47 PM
The 10 skills needed to thrive in a post-collapse world... by me (Gaillo):

1 - The ability to SHUT THE FVCK UP. Like talking about your preps? How much extra food you have for sale from your well-planned garden this year? How many guns you have? How you "saw all this coming" when others were asleep? Prepare to DIE.

2 - The ability to BLEND IN. Driving down the street in your $50,000 hummer wearing the latest "gear" will get you WHACKED... and damned fast! figure out how to look and act like a broke down dirty 3rd world BUM (or at LEAST dress "down" a few notches!) if you don't want to attract attention. Trust me... you will NOT want ANY attention when this thing goes down! :o

3 - The ability to play the role of an "Old-Timer". Yep... nothing says get the fvck off my property like a good-old-fashioned racking of the 12 gauge pump - along with the grizzled no-nonsense demeanor of someone who means BUSINESS and isn't afraid to look you in the eye as they urge you to "move on". Skip the social graces, toss the grammar book... phrases like "I reckon it's time to BURY your tresspassin' ass!" will go further than all the invitations to tea in London after the collapse!

4 - The ability to use a shovel, then shut the fvck up. See #3 for further clarification.

5 - The ability to MIND YOUR OWN FVCKING BUSINESS. Nobody likes a nosey busybody... see #3 and #4 for the time-tested and age-old remedy, should you decide to stick your nose where it doesn't belong.

6 - The ability to think straight, talk straight, and if all else fails... shoot straight. Enough said.

7 - The ability to be neighborly (at least after the major shiit settles down!). Help out your fellow man, a kind word and a good deed will go farther than all the canned beans in Mexico, once word starts getting around. Want to hole-up in an ivory tower and pretend your standoffish isolationism won't be noticed? Prepare for an eventual seige of VERY pissed off people.

8 - The ability to WORK. This won't be a camping trip... post collapse society will NOT be tolerating freeloaders and entitled "down on your luck" woe-be-me stock broker fvcks. Want to eat? Be prepared to work for your meals, repairs, and other goods... and to be HAPPY you have the opportunity to do so!

9 - The ability to forage and stockpile. Sorry... Wal-Mart and Amazon.com are NOT going to be there for you. Figure out RIGHT NOW where stuff COMES FROM - who makes it, who grows it, who knows how to fabricate it. Obtain everything you think you'll need for at LEAST the next 5 years while it's still cheap and practically given away at yard sales and thrift stores. Start making connections with your local butcher, mechanic, machine shop, and anyone else who actually PRODUCES something - they are ALL YOU WILL HAVE to rely on for new goods once this thing goes down, and your existing supplies run out.

10 - MOST IMPORTANT - the ability to LEARN. You're not going to get by on whatever dumbass degree you earned from your local community college 7 years ago... or your 13 years of accounting experience working for Big-O tires. READ. WATCH. PAY THE FVCK ATTENTION to people who know how to "do stuff". Take a fvcking INTEREST in life, the universe, and everything else... your continued existence might eventually depend on it!

Everything else is just a profession... we all have our aptitudes and some of us are well on our way to having several sets of post-SHTF marketable skillsets, but the right ATTITUDE and MINDSET are everything. At least in my not-so-humble-opinion.
-Gaillo

SilverMagnet
7th December 2010, 01:36 AM
The isolationist will be at greater risk of being overrun by the black friday zombie mobs than those who are able to group up with family, friends or neighbors.

Kali
7th December 2010, 02:34 AM
The only thing I would add is to make sure you are around others who know how to be self sufficient.

If you aren't, they will come for you daily.

You will spend more time fighting and protecting than being able to produce food and product.

The right location should be the first step.

Silver Shield
7th December 2010, 04:21 AM
Mental prep is by far the most important prep.

Without it all the physical preps are worthless after the first bullet flys.

7th trump
7th December 2010, 05:52 AM
Skills?
I dont see skills at all in this list.
A skill to me is being an electrician.
Carpenter
Plumber
Mechanic

Your silver and gold is worthless in comparison to food and shelter in a collasped society.
Theres far more fight in a parent for there children than any thugs could muster up.

Ash_Williams
7th December 2010, 06:16 AM
I'm learning how to weld up some nice window bars. It's straightforward to do the basics but I'm going for fancier designs now that you can swing open if needed, or slide open, etc. while still being secure from the outside.

I live a little too close to the welfare area to be comfortable. Someday they might get off their asses and take the four stolen shopping carts they have parked on each front yard and head out this way.

gunDriller
7th December 2010, 06:40 AM
13. Knowing how to make moonshine. ;D

14. Distilling water

well, making alcohol is easy.

distilling alcohol isn't terribly difficult but ... participants should be aware of the US pseudo-gov. "laws". Discretion is advised because distilling alcohol without a bunch of permits is illegal. the ATF - which is part of the US pseudo-gov. - wants their cut.

hoarder
7th December 2010, 06:42 AM
Good ones Gaillo!

People skills will be of paramount importance. We will need to be able to control our emotions and not let people piss us off no matter how hard they try. Understand other people's psychological weaknesses. Know how to prevent the elevation of hostility especially when the opponent doesn't.

If those don't work, another people skill might be needed; know how to kill them.

solid
7th December 2010, 07:43 AM
Good ones Gaillo!


Yes,that was a great post, Gaillo. If you don't mind, I'd like to copy and paste that one, print it out. Maybe this thread ought to be stickied for awhile. :)

SLV^GLD
7th December 2010, 07:46 AM
This is a very helpful straightforward article, easy to understand.

It helps to identify weaknesses, and see strengths. Personally, I'm lacking on some the skills at the top of this list. Most of my skills are at the bottom. I'm a pretty good fix-it person, and as a certified EMT, my first aid skills are top notch. Practiced in the field, as well.

I know nothing about gardening, or food processing, however.

Good read, thanks for sharing it.
I see this as an example of why community bonds need to be developed now. In this way diverse skills can be bartered and a locale fares better on the whole rather than fragmented.

7th trump
7th December 2010, 08:12 AM
15- Machinest

Who will make new parts?.........that's why I got myself a new metal engine lathe.......just in case I run out of money........the plan behind the plan behing the plan?

You are a smart man Ponce.
I dont think many people ever go over the possibilities of being able to machine what you need to keep things going or barter what someone else needs.
I have a homebuilt and working on another bigger model of cnc router thats getting an incorporated 30 inch lathe attachment.
I know its home built, 15 by 30 inch table, but everything has been designed using autocad and lasered out of 4mm steel being welded and bolted together for small aluminum/brass/copper parts and the bigger one is going to be used for milling steel. All using DC voltage of 12 and 24 source. Easily operated by a 200 amp 12v alternator, batteries and solar.
The bigger one will have a 4" chuck and the small one has a 2 1/2", 4 jaw chuck on the way.
The possibilities are endless..........

I had two buddies over the other week and happen to see what I was putting together in the garage and right away they wanted custom Harley parts.
Another wants custom made scope mounts for a gun. I guess the market mounts are crap for that model of shotgun. He wants to bring in the gun and have the machine drill the holes in the gun to get a precise pocket.
Software today is amazing..........

platinumdude
7th December 2010, 08:57 AM
The isolationist will be at greater risk of being overrun by the black friday zombie mobs than those who are able to group up with family, friends or neighbors.


If you live out in the middle of no-where in an underground bunker, they won't find you.

oldmansmith
7th December 2010, 09:05 AM
13. Knowing how to make moonshine. ;D

14. Distilling water

well, making alcohol is easy.

distilling alcohol isn't terribly difficult but ... participants should be aware of the US pseudo-gov. "laws". Discretion is advised because distilling alcohol without a bunch of permits is illegal. the ATF - which is part of the US pseudo-gov. - wants their cut.



At least here in Taxachusetts, home making of beer and wine is legal. I have a retired cop friend who makes a lot of wine and I'm going to learn this winter since I grow lots of stuff to use (apples, grapes, plums, elderberries, black currants, etc.) and I like to drink his.

General of Darkness
7th December 2010, 09:27 AM
13. Knowing how to make moonshine. ;D

14. Distilling water

well, making alcohol is easy.

distilling alcohol isn't terribly difficult but ... participants should be aware of the US pseudo-gov. "laws". Discretion is advised because distilling alcohol without a bunch of permits is illegal. the ATF - which is part of the US pseudo-gov. - wants their cut.


The thread is a Post-Collapse World. Are you saying there's going to be a gubermant after TSHTF?

Book
7th December 2010, 09:30 AM
...those who are able to group up with family, friends or neighbors.



http://www.afscme.org/images/photos/AFS15_RI_01%281%29.jpg

GIMers and GSUSers are famous for enjoying close comradeship with their family and neighbors. Tell us about your recent Preps conversations with family, friends and neighbors. Thanksgiving and Christmas with the extended family is a great opportunity to strengthen that bond and review the Preps plans.

:)

SLV^GLD
7th December 2010, 09:35 AM
The thread is a Post-Collapse World. Are you saying there's going to be a gubermant after TSHTF?
My 1st thoughts are that any remaining government will be your worst enemy. My 2nd thoughts are that government controls the quality and distribution of state sponsored alcohol currently so if the government blinks out you would do yourself a favor to make your own.

gunDriller
7th December 2010, 09:42 AM
The thread is a Post-Collapse World. Are you saying there's going to be a gubermant after TSHTF?


i would say that Collapse started many years ago. 9-11-2001 would be a reasonable date.

yes, i think that all during this Collapse period of history, the US pseudo-gov. will continue to try to stick their noses into people's busines.

if we get to a point where there is a dis-continuity, and we have a chance to build a new government, then we will have the opportunities to make new laws - possibly, encouraging alcohol distillation instead of discouraging it.


in terms of "Official Policy", that is what "Continuity of Government" (CoG) is about. that's where all the pseudo-gov. officials hunker down in bunkers pretending that they are still a government. Also, when CoG is invoked, martial law will be further attempted (i would say the TSA is already a form of martial law.)


which does sound depressing BUT (drum-roll) ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNaZedAWmlE

we will still have Great Value Carrots to keep us going. ;D

Ponce
7th December 2010, 10:44 AM
7th trump.........good for you, where there is a will there is a way..... I also have is a "Smithy" mini-lathe mill combination and it is the only mill that I have, I would like to also have a regular big floor mill as the one that I used to have at one time.......I keep no raw material, I decided that they would have to bring me either the part to work on or the material itself.

First post of the day.............good morning to one and all.