Catholicism and Freemasonry - Anyone know anything about this?

[Glass]

When I search this topic I get a bunch of stuff saying that the Catholic church is anti Freemasonry. Is Freemasonry and Masonry the same?

I recently went to the Principality of Hutt River Province in Western Australias mid west. There is another thread on my visit (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/i-just-got-back-from-visiting-prince-leonard-sovereign-of-hutt-river/) and my reasons for going.

We had about 20 or 30 minutes where we chatted with the Prince about how he went about becoming a sovereign. I'm researching the various ideas out there on being sovereign, a free man on the land or what ever else you want to call it. As Prince Leonard is a local person he was obviously someone we had to go visit.

During the chat we covered quite a few points. We asked how he noticed the Govt of his intentions and he said basically he sent them a letter noticing them of his intention to secceed. I have not seen any letters to this effect which is why we asked him. He was invited to Parlianment house to discuss this.

Basically the Prince warned that other people who have tried to do what he has done are now spending a long time if not life in prison for treason.

He spoke about how when he dealt with the Government they took quite a bit of time to do anything. It was like they wanted to just ignore him. The Government met and spoke with him rather than go straight to court. One of the people he dealt with he said was a real gentleman of the kind you would not find these days. He also said that Treason has a statute of limitations of 3 years. After that they can't do anything about it.

He also did say that he pretty much had friends in high places. During the time he did this there was a Premier (state leader like in Canada) who is known to be a Freemason. In fact I have seen a newspaper article that had a photo of his cabinet and that something like 2 or 3 dozen were Freemasons.

In some of the princes historical letters on his web site is a letter to the Swiss Federal Council in Berne.

Letter of Accession to the Geneva Convention (http://hutt-river-province.com/Principality%20Downloads/Swiss%20Federal%20Council%20Letter%201978%20Carbon %20Copy.jpg)

In the first paragraph it says: His Royal highness, Prince Leonard, Defender of the Faith, Protector of the Heritage of Legends of the Hutt River Province, Royal Protector Crusaders Cross of Jerusalem.

So I started looking into this Crusaders Cross of Jerusalem.


The Jerusalem cross, also known as Crusaders' cross, is an heraldic cross or Christian symbol consisting of a large Greek cross surrounded by four smaller Greek crosses, one in each quadrant. The simpler form of the cross is known as the "Crusaders' Cross", because it was on the papal banner given to the Crusaders by Pope Urban II for the First Crusade, and was a symbol of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem.


Wiki Link... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_cross)

This wiki page mentions the Order of the Holy Sepulchre. If we follow the wiki to look at what is says:


This article is about the Roman Catholic chivalric Order. For the Masonic Order of the Holy Sepulchre, see Red Cross of Constantine.

The Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem (lat.: Ordo Equestris Sancti Sepulcri Hierosolymitani, OESSH) is a prestigious Catholic chivalric order of Knighthood that traces its roots to Duke Godfrey of Bouillon, principal leader of the First Crusade.[1] In 1496, Pope Alexander VI created the office of Grand Master of the Order, and the office vested in the papacy. The office of Grand Master remained vested in the papacy until 1949. Since then a cardinal has been grand master. The pope is sovereign of the Order which enjoys the protection of the Holy See and has its legal seat at Vatican City. [2] On 27 June 2007, Cardinal John Patrick Foley was appointed by Pope Benedict XVI Grand Master to succeed Cardinal Carlo Furno who resigned the office upon reaching the age limit of 85 years. Cardinal Foley was born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in 1935, and ordained a priest in Philadelphia when he was 26 years old. He was created a cardinal in 2007. [3]


Wiki - Order of the Holy Sepulchre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Holy_Sepulchre)

There is a bit more from the above link


Five major orders were formed in the Holy Land between the late 11th century and the early 12th century: the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre (circa 1099), Knights Templar (circa 1118), Knights Hospitaller (circa 1099) (St John), Knights of the Hospital of St Mary of Jerusalem (Teutonic Knights) and Knights of St Lazarus.


And yet more:



Pilgrimages to the Holy Land were a common if dangerous practice from shortly after the crucifixion of Jesus to throughout the Middle Ages. Numerous detailed commentaries have survived as evidence of this early Christian devotional. While there were many places the pious visited during their travels, the one most cherished was the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, first constructed by Constantine the Great in the fourth century AD. It is said that a local tradition, begun long before the Crusades, provided for the bestowing of knighthood upon worthy men by the custodians of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.

Following the capture of Jerusalem at the end of the First Crusade in 1099, the Order was first formally constituted as an Order of Canons, the successor of which is the modern Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem. It is considered among the oldest of the military orders of knighthood. It was recognized by Papal Bull in 1113.


OK So let’s take a look at the Red Cross of Constantine.



The Red Cross of Constantine, or more formally the Masonic and Military Order of the Red Cross of Constantine and the Appendant Orders of the Holy Sepulchre and of St John the Evangelist is a Christian Order of Freemasonry. Candidates for the Order must already be members of Craft Freemasonry (lodge) and Royal Arch Freemasonry (chapter); they must also be members of the Christian religion, and ready to proclaim their belief in the Christian doctrine of the Holy Trinity.[1]

The Masonic and Military Order of the Red Cross of Constantine is a three-degree Order of masonry, and with its "Appendant Orders" a total of five degrees are conferred within this system. Installation as a “Knight of the Red Cross of Constantine” is admission to the Order’s first degree. There are two more degrees which follow, and also the two other distinct Orders of Masonry (both Christian in character) which are under the control of each national (or regional) Grand Imperial Conclave of the Order.


Red Cross of Constantine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cross_of_Constantine)

Ok so what is the Third Degree?


Third Degree – Prince-Mason
On election to serve as Sovereign (the leader of a Conclave), a member must be admitted to the third degree, by which ceremony he becomes a Perfect Prince-Mason. The ceremony is performed in a ‘Senate’ of Princes-Mason. A Senate is the name for any assembly of members of the Order’s third degree. Having received this degree the Prince-Mason is entitled to serve as Sovereign in his own, or any other, Conclave or Senate. Except by dispensation, this degree is only ever conferred on those elected as Sovereign. As with all masonic degrees, it may only be conferred on a person once - therefore a person becoming Sovereign for a second time, or in a different Conclave, would simply be appointed to office, and would not go for a second time through the degree ceremony.


So basically it looks like Prince Leonard is a Freemason. This would fit the situation with the Government of the day being heavily loaded with Freemasons and the Princes' claim that he had friends in high places.

He has been to the Vatican a couple of times for Audiences with the Pope and others. I think the last quote there is quite telling as to being a Prince.

As a side note: While we were there we noticed a pyramid he had built out of green sheet metal. The pyramid axis were aligned to NSEW. I had a compass with me in my kit. I did not take a photo of it and I wish I had. It had a copper cap (stone) to it. Hard to say how big. More than 1ft but less than 2 ft perhaps.

So my question is how strong is the relationship between freemasonry and catholicism. It seems pretty strong to me despite general search results on google suggesting a totally opposite view.

Anyone have any thoughts or information you can add?

[chad]

i know that catholics are banned from becoming masons. one they find out you're catholic, there's no way you're getting in.

[SilverMagnet]

Catholicism has it's own brand of social heirarchy so I'm not sure why it would have any correlation with masons. What Chad says is correct. Anything to do with Christ or Christianity is shunned by the masons. Like mixing oil and water, they are fundamentally seperate and distinct in opposition.

[Glass]

Well this information would suggest something different as these are Papal orders.


Masonic and Military Order of the Red Cross of Constantine and the Appendant Orders of the Holy Sepulchre and of St John the Evangelist is a Christian Order of Freemasonry.

up until now I believed the same to be the case, however I know others have suggested that Freemasonry is accepted by the Catholic church since I think it was the 1940's. I could be wrong hence the thread.

there is also the obelisk in the vatican square. That is clearly some kind of pharisees object.

[Tumbleweed]

Glass John Salza gave a good talk on freemasonry in the catholic church. He is a former 32nd degree mason. The freemasons have infiltrated the church. The first part of his talk is on youtube and I will post that below. To view the full talk you will need to go to this link.http://www.fatimachallenge.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=63:masonry-unmasked&catid=21&Itemid=15



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4nLd46MWxo


Father Paul Kramer gives a good talk on what's going on in the catholic church. It has been infiltrated by those who wish to destroy it.

Part one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg3xcfyi8YI





part two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUmGtLMxtNc&feature=related



part three
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0ppwy9rYu8&feature=related


part four
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgm034v6UfY&feature=related


part five
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn24Pivmh58&feature=related


part six
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbw5vbMVPtk&feature=related


part seven
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUlHlCYEgAQ&feature=related

[SilverMagnet]

I believe this site should help clear up the differences between the two:

http://www.orthodox.net/ecumenism/free-masonry-vs-christianity.html

Basically, Freemasons deny that one must go through Christ to attain union with God.

Regarding the Obelisk in St Peter's Square,

Pope Sixtus V (1585-1590) directed the obelisk to be re-erected at the center of the square in 1586, in front of the "new" Basilica of Saint Peter, which was being built at that time.

The Egyptologist Labib Habachi gives the most accepted reason in his book, "The Obelisk of Egypt" (1977 Charles Scribner's Sons):

"Legend has it that in the Vatican Circus innumerable Christians, including St. Peter, were put to death and that the reason this obelisk was not later overturned as were all the others in Rome was that it was looked upon as the last witness to the martyrdom of St. Peter."

[Glass]

Actually tumbleweed I've watched John Salzas presentation a couple months ago. Thanks for reminding me. I found him very good. I also watched about 1/2 of Father Paul Kramer's talk. I need to go back to it. Thanks again.

It does seem to me based on the dates around the creation of the orders of the Holy Sepulchre etc are around 900 years ago so it is not a new or recent phenomenom. Totally unrelated but I also thought that those dates where very close to when the church suffered quite a bit of blow back for the behaviours of its clerics or canons (not sure the right names) in terms of it debauched behaviour. The introduction of celibacy and so on.

Thanks SilverMagnet. I'll take a look. I felt from things I have read from former Masons that their rituals ridiculed Jesus Christ some of which were effectively black masses.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Well this information would suggest something different as these are Papal orders.


Masonic and Military Order of the Red Cross of Constantine and the Appendant Orders of the Holy Sepulchre and of St John the Evangelist is a Christian Order of Freemasonry.

up until now I believed the same to be the case, however I know others have suggested that Freemasonry is accepted by the Catholic church since I think it was the 1940's. I could be wrong hence the thread.

there is also the obelisk in the vatican square. That is clearly some kind of pharisees object.


The obelisk you speak of is related to the three city states in the world,

The City of London (Financial) (Cleopatra's Needle Obelisk)
Washington D.C. (Military) (Clinton Monument, 111 feet below ground and 555 feet above ground == 666 feet total)
Vatican City (Religious) (Obelisk in Front Yard of Vatican)


All three of these are technically nation-states. They all have an obelisk in their front yard.

Some people call it "The Empire of the Three Red Stars"

http://www.milesfaster.co.uk/information/london-attractions/images/cleopatras-needle.jpg

http://www.nonegw.org/images/vatican_obelisk.jpg

http://s4.hubimg.com/u/980567_f520.jpg

[Santa]

Fascinating topic.

I just googled "Empire of the Three Red Stars"

Here's a short quote from a website I sort of randomly chose.

http://jubilee2012.50webs.com/the_hidden_empire.htm


The flag of Washington's district of Columbia has three red stars. One for each city state in the three city empire. This corporate empire of three city states controls the world economically, through London's inner city, militarily through the District of Columbia, and spiritually through the Vatican.


Could it be that the original, perhaps naively benevolent intention of an early Masonic Order was to bring about an Age Of Reason, or illuminate the world with the Light Of Knowledge due to the Printing Press and the consequences of mass communications and other technological innovations?

I think the Deistic founding fathers more or less thought of it that way.

Is it possible that a power schism occurred between the Church and the predominantly military Masonic Order (those knights charged with the duties of reconquering Jerusalem during the Crusades) from which the Babylonian label "Luciferian" was placed on the Masons by the Church to demonize them?

More simply put, did the Masons simply become a serious threat to the Vatican's power structure so the Church demonized them or were they literally Luciferian demons who infiltrated the Church?

It seems there are really two viewpoints at work here. The material and the spiritual.

Originally, the material-ist viewpoint was represented and promoted by secular business/banking interests and the spiritual-ist viewpoint was represented by the Church.

Today, we seem to be living in a sort of secular materialist "Bank State" rather than the historical Church State.

Perhaps the early Masonic Orders were simply knighted military mercenaries who took sides based on who paid them the best and they wound up overseas in an ocean protected, resource rich enclave now known as Washington DC where they set about building war engines and weapons of mass destruction under the guise of mercantilism and later, capitalism subsidized primarily by the London/Rothschild Banking Empire.

[palani]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Washington,_D.C.


The flag of the District of Columbia, USA, consists of three red stars above two red bars on a white background. It is based on the design of the coat of arms of George Washington, first used to identify the family in the twelfth century, when one of George Washington's ancestors took possession of Washington Old Hall, then in County Durham, north-east England. For heraldic reasons, the stars are properly called mullets.

Note this flag came into acceptance in 1938. Prior to that date the official flag of the District of Columbia, being considered the jurisdiction of the United States, was the U.S. battle flag OR the U.S. civil flag of peace. Roosevelt and his messing with the law he was under oath to protect and defend undoubtedly had something to do with the D of C requiring a flag of its own.

[Book]

...from a website I sort of randomly chose.



:oo-->

[MAGNES]

See I was right, false flag Santa.

There is a lot of information on here put up for months.

Aren't you people paying attention ?

Masons hate Christians, they hate The West, they distort history deliberately,
attack key Western leaders, the FED is Masonic, the Communists movement
and mass murders were Masonic, the Turkey is a Masonic creation and the
mass murder of Christians, France where the " jacobins " took over and mass
murdered the leaders, took the country over then proceeded to murder the
population, just like they did in other countries mentioned above . They
infiltrate and destroy from within. Masonry is all Jewish, same with Communism.
Masonic orgs were tools to achieve an end and they did.

Masons worship demons, I just posted about that, they are sick f*cks.

3rd degree masons are sick f*cks.

Masons are even represented in LOTR as an allegory.

On a personal level they are sick little bitches, even when confronted
in person on here and at gim they are true to their org and ways of deceit.
The masonic gim round, they got us to pay for it, APRIL FOOLS . Occult shit
was promoted on gim, both by skyvike and goldie too.

This is just a small overview.

[DMac]

The Plot Against The Church.


Read it!

[MAGNES]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBjOs-egFMs

The masons rip everything off and corrupt it
Obelisks and Phalic imagery predate masons.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/masons-'failing-to-register'/
http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/anti-masonic-hate-stamps/
http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/a-satanic-masonic-wish-from-mtv/

http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?topic=2345.0
http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?topic=3037.msg27113
http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/do-you-see-what-i-see/msg85234/#msg85234
http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/i'm-a-mason/200/
http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/goodbye-america/
http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/lady-gaga-accepts-vma-award-covered-in-meat/
http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/order-of-the-eastern-star/

[Glass]

Thanks Magnes. I've looked at those links as they appeared here. I agree the Masons are anti christian. When looking at Catholism, is this historical relationship with some of these orders that I mentioned in my OP a masonic infiltration at the highest order or a masonic/catholic partnership that went sour as per Santa's post or was it always that way in that the mason orders were the military wing of the catholic church?

If you watch the videos posted here, these people are christians lamenting the masonic problems their church faces. But which came first? Was the church always masonic or was it infiltrated. I like to think the later..

TPTB's last post on this thread: http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/i%27m-a-mason/msg43665/#msg43665 sums up the masons methods of concealment to me. The uninformed belief systems of the masses of a society provide perfect cover for their activities which are conducted at higher levesl or "degrees" if you like. Tell someone at the lower levels and they will just not believe it but enough people have been masons and left, shared their knowledge to make it clear all is not as it appears.

Here is a further question. Is the Skull and Bones Society at Yale University a Masonic Lodge. I don't know if this has been discussed. Probably has been. My thoughts are yes. The descriptions of the rituals appear to be the same as the masonic rituals.

[Book]

Masonry is all Jewish, same with Communism.



Maybe Glass missed this.

:dunno

[osokusmc]

Check out Walter Veith's series "Total Onslaught". He has something interesting to say about the Masons and the Catholics.

[Book]

Check out Walter Veith's series "Total Onslaught". He has something interesting to say about the Masons and the Catholics.


Was Walter Veith a Seventh Day Adventist (http://www.exadventist.com/)?

:)

[JohnQPublic]

i know that catholics are banned from becoming masons. one they find out you're catholic, there's no way you're getting in.


The masons will let Catholics in, but theoretically, the Catholics should not let mason's have the sacraments. Unfortunately, as mentioned by John Salza, a lot of Catholics (including clergy) are somewhat uninformed and ambiguous on this point.

I think masonry was really developed in the 18th century, and may have been modelled (in a distorted and perverted way) on Catholic Chivalric orders of knighthood of the late middle ages.

A number of popes in the 18th and 19th century warned strongly against masonry.

As a side note, I think freemasonry watch (http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/) is run by a Catholic.

[JohnQPublic]

Check out Walter Veith's series "Total Onslaught". He has something interesting to say about the Masons and the Catholics.


Was Walter Veith a Seventh Day Adventist (http://www.exadventist.com/)?

:)


It is some of the radical adventist offshoot groups that are the most radically anti-Catholic (these groups run ads calling the Catholic Church teh whore of babylon, etc.). Still I am sure many mainline 7th Day Adventists hold similar opinions, personally. The 7th Day Adventists are some of the most 'jewish' Christians out there (i.e, they still celebrate the Sabbath, and feel the early church erred in celebrating the Lord's day).

[Book]

Check out Walter Veith's series "Total Onslaught". He has something interesting to say about the Masons and the Catholics.


Was Walter Veith a Seventh Day Adventist (http://www.exadventist.com/)?

:)


It is some of the radical adventist offshoot groups that are the most radically anti-Catholic (these groups run ads calling the Catholic Church teh whore of babylon, etc.). Still I am sure many mainline 7th Day Adventists hold similar opinions, personally. The 7th Day Adventists are some of the most 'jewish' Christians out there (i.e, they still celebrate the Sabbath, and feel the early church erred in celebrating the Lord's day).



osokusmc's first and only post at GSUS.

;)

[osokusmc]

Could Walter be right about the Masons and wrong about the Catholics?

[Road Runner]

Could Walter be right about the Masons and wrong about the Catholics?


What do you really think? Don't be shy.

[osokusmc]

Could Walter be right about the Masons and wrong about the Catholics?


What do you really think? Don't be shy.


I think I'm with Sitting Bull in being confused by all the talking.

"The Lakota were better Christians before they ever heard of Christ"

"I do not understand your Christ and his teaching. I must have time to think; I will not be pushed into it."

"What does it matter how I pray, so long as my prayers are answered?"

"Why should you listen to them? They cannot agree among themselves about the right manner of worship. Each missionary shouts that his way is the right way; then they quarrel among themselves about it. None of them ever goes out alone to meet the Great Mystery. That is the way it is done--not by gathering in groups and shouting from pulpits."
Sitting Bull 1888

[Tumbleweed]

osokusmc are you Lakota?

[Awoke]

You asked if there is a difference between Freemasonry and Masonry.

The answer is "Yes", but not any more. Masonry was basically founded by architechs as an apprenticeship program. Back in the days, there were no computer logs or business cards or certificates, so the master masons (Architects/builders) designed a network that included agreed-upon handshakes, which were used to identify the workers to the bosses based on how much they knew as a tradesman.

The handshakes were shown as the apprentice architects learned more and progressed in their trade. This was a safety net to keep liars and frauds out of the building circles, in order to ensure that only qualified builders were on site carrying out the design and construction.

The (jewish incepted) Illuminati infiltrated the freemasonic order roughly around 1776, to use as a vehicle to spread their revolutionary/destructive ideals without being scrutinized publicly.

Up until that point, the Masons were Masons. Once Weischaupt infiltrated the masons with his illuminist core followers, they changed the name to "Free" Masons, meaning that you did not have to be a "Mason" to join, but that it was free and open to anyone who shared the same ideals.


Freemasonry has had (and still has) it's own schisms, when certain rites are in conflict with other rites, especially during this time when it was being reborn as an illuminist vehicle. The lodges of France differed greatly from the lodges in England, etc.

You can learn about this in detail if you read "Proofs of a Conspiracy" by John Robison, Chapter I, "Schisms in Freemasonry"

availaible at www.omnicbc.com

However, the mission of the jewish freemasonic order is the same, no matter what rite (Scottish, York, etc): It is the tentacle of the octopus that is tasked with the destruction of Christianity.

No. A true Christian cannot know the truth about luciferian freemasonry, and become a mason (or retain his membership) and still consider himself a Christian.





You asked about Freemasonry VS Catholisim.




As we have been able to discern, the secret Jews usually strive for all positions of the secular clergy and the monastic orders. In reference to the latter we must, however, still mention their preference to attach themselves to and control those orders which are most dangerous of all for their infamous plans, since they could make them ineffective through their control. When, in the 13th century, the Templar Order signified a great danger for them, they entered it and finally in all quietness conquered the highest positions, brought it away from its goals and used it against the Church and the Christian monarchies. This was a real catastrophe, and the Papacy and the Christian monarchy rapidly intervened, dissolved the Order and had the Grand- Master executed, in order to preserve Christianity from a catastrophe.




Concerning the repeated attempts of Jewish freemasonry to introduce itself into the Society and to control it, another source gives us information about this freemasonic rite created for this gloomy purpose. It is stated in the official encyclopaedic dictionary of freemasonry under the term “estricta observancia” (strict observance): “Estricta observancia. Description for a rite which had split up into many others and represents the most perfect expression of the Templar system in freemasonry. This rite was the third freemasonic innovation of the Jesuits, who stirred up the hope among their supporters to come into the possession of the riches of the old Templars. The chronological history of the Grandmasters corresponds to that of the generals of the Society of Jesus. The rite of strict observance was finally set up in Germany, between 1760 and 1763, by the brother Karl Gathels, the Baron of Hund, who to the six grades of the Order at first determined added yet another. The rite was organised in the following seven degrees: pupil, companion, master, Scottish master, novice, Templar in three classes: Eques, Socius and Armiger, and Eques professus.”342
The fact that, since his grounding in this Rite which was intended to control the Jesuits, a new Grandmaster was also chosen if a new general of the Order was appointed, shows the tenacity of Jewry and its satellites, freemasonry, to introduce themselves in the Holy Work of St. Ignatius and to control it.




On the other side is the special wish to make this freemasonic rite in connection with the Templar Order very significant. We must not forget that the Templar Order was founded in order to defend Holy Church against its enemies. The “Synagogue of Satan”, however, gained entry into it until the secret Jews occupied the leading positions, then brought it away from its original aims and made it become a serious danger for the Church and the Christian peoples. One must also bear in mind that, in the prosecutions against the Templars, the effort was revealed to skilfully conceal themselves, for, although the Christian Order was watched over by the enemy, it remained in its official outward realms bound to Holy Church, even if also in secret circles the easier controlled Catholic Templars were seduced and their religious faith gradually taken from them, until they had finally become secret satellites of Jewry. The infiltrations of the Synagogue and of Freemasonry into the Society of Jesus followed visibly the same aims, for this freemasonic-Templar rite of the Jesuits wishes apparently to make the Society of Jesus into a new Templar Order with retention of its outer official structure is then finally secretly ruled by the enemies of the Church and then used in order to destroy its defenders and with the purpose of making easier the victory of Jewry and its satellites, freemasonry and Communism. From the valuable Freemasonic document, which we study, it is revealed that even other schismatic rites of Freemasonry, which were for this reason called mixed rites or also controlled by the Jewish Cabbalists, were organised in order to influence the meritorious work of St. Ignatius of Loyola and to control it. Accordingly it is stated under the expression “Clerigos de la estricta observancia”: “Clergy of the strict rule of the Order. Title for a Jesuitical mixed rite, which was formed by Cabbalists, Alchemists, Black Magicians and members of the Society of Jesus.”


I can't find much on the Red Cross right now, but here is a blurb that touches on the Rosicrucians, which is translated into Red Cross:



After diligent study of the material, the learned English writer Nesta H. Webster comes to the conclusion that “the goal of Gnosticism was not to adapt the Cabbala to Christian practice, but to adapt Christianity to Cabbalist practices, by mixing its pure and simple teaching with theosophy and even with magic.”16

This attempt to adapt Christianity according to Cabbalist practices, the Jewish Cabbalists have repeated as often as they could. After the Gnostic failure, they introduced it into the Manichaean sects, then into the Albigensians, the Rosicrucians, Freemasonry, theosophical societies, spiritualists and other sects of different eras which are said to have practised Occultism, which is nothing other than the Hebrew Cabbala with all its derivations.


I don't know if it's the same as the modern day "Red Cross", but I do know that the Red Cross is subverted by the conspirators. You can learn about the Red Cross and it's true activites in two books off the top of my head:
The Committee of 300 (John Coleman)
The Unseen Hand (A. Ralph Epperson)



i know that catholics are banned from becoming masons. one they find out you're catholic, there's no way you're getting in.


On the contrary, the masons only exclude Catholics who know the truth about the masons.
They are more than happy to allow a Catholic to enter teh ranks if they feel he is corruptable.
This is how subversive jewry works, and has throughout history.


Edited to add some detail and clean up typos.

[Santa]

This article is about the Roman Catholic chivalric Order. For the Masonic Order of the Holy Sepulchre, see Red Cross of Constantine.

The Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem (lat.: Ordo Equestris Sancti Sepulcri Hierosolymitani, OESSH) is a prestigious Catholic chivalric order of Knighthood that traces its roots to Duke Godfrey of Bouillon, principal leader of the First Crusade.[1] In 1496, Pope Alexander VI created the office of Grand Master of the Order, and the office vested in the papacy.

Very interesting, but what about these guys? They weren't builders, they were equestrian warriors, be-knighted by the Church take/sack Jerusalem.

The Mason/architect aspect was likely how they originally began, until they grew strong and hooked up with the Aristocracy and perhaps later, the Church.

Power corrupts. Yada yada. They then became warrior mercenaries because gold glitters and attracts hot chicks.

Perhaps the Rothschild Jew Bankers simply amassed enough gold for the Masonic Orders to become turncoats and sway them from the Vatican's influence.

I don't know though, of course...lol. Much of history is written long after the actual facts have been destroyed and/or buried.

Much deception and intrigue amid the shadows of the past.

[osokusmc]

osokusmc are you Lakota?


No.

[Awoke]

This article is about the Roman Catholic chivalric Order. For the Masonic Order of the Holy Sepulchre, see Red Cross of Constantine.

The Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem (lat.: Ordo Equestris Sancti Sepulcri Hierosolymitani, OESSH) is a prestigious Catholic chivalric order of Knighthood that traces its roots to Duke Godfrey of Bouillon, principal leader of the First Crusade.[1] In 1496, Pope Alexander VI created the office of Grand Master of the Order, and the office vested in the papacy.

Very interesting, but what about these guys? They weren't builders, they were equestrian warriors, be-knighted by the Church take/sack Jerusalem.

The Mason/architect aspect was likely how they originally began, until they grew strong and hooked up with the Aristocracy and perhaps later, the Church.

Power corrupts. Yada yada. They then became warrior mercenaries because gold glitters and attracts hot chicks.

Perhaps the Rothschild Jew Bankers simply amassed enough gold for the Masonic Orders to become turncoats and sway them from the Vatican's influence.

I don't know though, of course...lol. Much of history is written long after the actual facts have been destroyed and/or buried.

Much deception and intrigue amid the shadows of the past.


Nothing goes untouched.

The Vatican is corrupt, the Popes have been infiltrators since before 2nd Vatican council. The war going on inside the walls of the Church is ongoing.
I don't know if you realize this or not, but there have been times throughout history when there was more than one Pope, on time there was even THREE Popes that all claimed to be the true one, and the Church is divided.

I am at a point now in my faith that I don't care about who is or is not the pope, because the internal war is so busy that I can't keep track of the lineage throughout history, never mind modern day.

The Current popes have been paving the way for mysticism, paganism, homosexuality and other jewish aspirations for the goyim.
By their fruits, you shall know them.

As for the organization you have asked me about, I can not speculate. I know that none of the orders have remained untouched: The are all corrupted now.
The Knights of Columbus, The Templars, the Jesuits, etc. They have all fell prey to the insidious nature of jewish infiltration, deception and destruction.

So rely on God to guide you through prayer and faith, and pray for discernment in matters of the conspiracy.



One thing I will state plainly though, in case you are confused: Freemasonry never was and never will be a Christian Organization. They are the enemies of Christ.

[Santa]

One thing I will state plainly though, in case you are confused: Freemasonry never was and never will be a Christian Organization. They are the enemies of Christ.

Oh, I'll make an effort to manage my confusion. It's often not easy. I'm old. ;D

[Glass]

Thanks very much Awoke for the time you took making those great posts. You got right to the core of what I was looking for. Thanks also to everyone else who has contributed so far. This was what I suspected or intuitively felt I knew. Getting that confirmation in a cohesive chunk is very useful in helping see the wider picture.

[JohnQPublic]

...I don't know if you realize this or not, but there have been times throughout history when there was more than one Pope, on time there was even THREE Popes that all claimed to be the true one, and the Church is divided.

...

And the important point to keep in mind is that the Church did survive this. I suspect it will survive the currrent incursion (I do not agree on the extent of the incursion as you lay it out, but clearly there is an incursion), unless this is the end time. We should not assume it is the end time, as most ages thought their's was the end time, and were wrong (remember, "only the Father knows").

Also, according to the amillenial interpretaion of the Apocalypse (the interpretation generally supported by the Catholic Church since Ausgustine, and by many mainline protestant churches) we are in the age where the beast of the Apocalypse roams the earth seeking the destruction of Christianity (i.e., the 1000 years, a symbolic long time period) , so it is to be expected that the Catholic Church, and Vatican will be prime targets of the beast (to be thought of as agency, not a literal 7-headed beast). The beast certainly suceeded during the Avignon period (where 3 popes claimed the throne), but this was reversed, and the Church did survive.

[Awoke]

Glass, we (Magnes, Nordic, myself and some others) have posted extensively on the freemasonic infiltration of the Church. If you do an advanced search, using keywords and using our usernames in the search engine, you will hit a gold mine.

If you like hardcopies of reading material, and you want to know the truth about freemasonry VS Christianity, I can suggest the following books:

The Plot Against the Church, by Maurice Pinay
The Mystery of Freemasonry Unveiled, by caro Y Rodriguez (The Cardinal of Chile)
Masonry: Conspiracy against Christianity, by Ralph Epperson
The Synagogue of Satan, by Andrew Hitchcock (Not so much based on the Church, but a historical timeline of subversive jewish activity throughout history)
The new Montian or Post-counciliar Church, by Reverend Joaquin Saenz Y Arriaga as mentioned below.



JQP - I found a copy of a fairly rare book. There are only 2000 printed in english. I found mine on amazon.com

It is called "The Post-Counciliar or new Montinian Church", written by Reverend Joaquin Saenz Y Arriaga, translated by Edgar A. Lucidi.

The author of this book apparently exposes the hand of jewish freemasonry in the Catholic Church, such to the extent that he was excommunicated for writing this book.
To be excommunicated for revealing the hand of the jew is very telling, isn't it?
I am only at page 57 of 598, so I can't comment yet.

Last time I checked, there were about 5 or 6 copies available from 2nd hand sellers on Amazon.

Anyways, the man who I bought my copy from included a photocopy of a pamphlet, which I have scanned for you, and turned into JPG files so I could post them for you, so although the quality is not high, please read these images.

They specifically address what we were talking about, multiple popes and sede vacante.
Bear in mind that this was written in the post-couciliar era, meaning after 2nd Vatican council, in which the Church was fully overturned to the jews. circa early 1960's

If they turn out unreadable, I can email them to you in PDF format.

Edited to add list of suggested reading.

[Awoke]

Bah. Looks like it's not really legible.

I can email them if interested. That goes for anyone else who is interested too.

EDIT - I'll post the rest too, just in case they are cleaner on your system.

[Awoke]

The first two should be in reverse order. You can see the title of the images are numbered 1 to 4, just FYI.


Here is 03

[Awoke]

Finally the 4th page.

[sloandardy]

I went to the Hutt River Province in 2011 with my family and some friends, and we thought it would be a great day out. However, we were horribly wrong. There were a heap of burned out caravans in a camp site close to the main town part near the entrance, and all of the workers looked really creepy somehow. They would stop as we came past, and give weird smiles to us like they wanted to stab us.
The pyramid hut bit you mention, when we walked in, there was a bench in the middle of the room. I walked closer, and saw red stains on that bench, and there was an axe in the corner of the room. I was really freaked out.
When we went to the church, Prince Leonard pointed out a room, and said you can do what you like here, but don't go into that room. So naturally, we did after he left. Inside, there was a cross lying upside down, and on the walls, there were paintings of Jesus burning on a cross, with the numbers 666 painted along the bottom. That was the last straw, and we bolted after that. I don't think Prince Leonard is as devout a Catholic as you may be lead to believe...

[Dogman]

I went to the Hutt River Province in 2011 with my family and some friends, and we thought it would be a great day out. However, we were horribly wrong. There were a heap of burned out caravans in a camp site close to the main town part near the entrance, and all of the workers looked really creepy somehow. They would stop as we came past, and give weird smiles to us like they wanted to stab us.
The pyramid hut bit you mention, when we walked in, there was a bench in the middle of the room. I walked closer, and saw red stains on that bench, and there was an axe in the corner of the room. I was really freaked out.
When we went to the church, Prince Leonard pointed out a room, and said you can do what you like here, but don't go into that room. So naturally, we did after he left. Inside, there was a cross lying upside down, and on the walls, there were paintings of Jesus burning on a cross, with the numbers 666 painted along the bottom. That was the last straw, and we bolted after that. I don't think Prince Leonard is as devout a Catholic as you may be lead to believe... Glass ?

[ziero0]

Glass ?
Glass was never a disinformation agent.

[singular_me]

I am missing Glass a lot, he too was a de-occultist. I feel like something has happened to him


freemasonic infiltration of the Church... I beg to differ, when seeing all the numerology/kaballah in the new testament, there is no infiltration but a plot to enslave people' spirituality