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cedarchopper
14th December 2010, 09:46 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_water_nozzle_shooting

Poor guy didn't even know he was in the cops gun sights...was drunk and waiting for his friend to come home and was fiddling with a water nozzle.

LONG BEACH, Calif. – Angry relatives of a man shot to death by police who apparently mistook a pistol-grip water nozzle he held for a gun are lashing out at officers, saying they made no effort to contact him before opening fire.

However, police officials say Douglas Zerby's behavior prompted the officers' response.

"As the subject was in a seated position, he used a two-handed pistol-grip hold on an object with his arms fully extended," Long Beach Police Chief Jim McDonnell said. "Somebody that is impaired and waving what appears to witnesses and police to be a handgun. That's what the officers were faced with."

Zerby pointed it at one of the officers and two officers fired their weapons, a handgun and a shotgun. A total of eight shots were fired — two from shot guns and six from a handgun, McDonnell said.

Zerby's sister, Eden Marie Biele, said officers made no attempt to talk to her 35-year-old brother or get his attention before shooting him to death.

"They didn't say 'Put your hands up' or 'Freeze' or anything," Biele told The Associated Press Monday. "He was killed in cold blood."

Biele was among the family members whose sobs were heard among McDonnell's explanations of the events leading to Zerby's death on Sunday.

"This is a very unfortunate set of circumstances and leaves the family to deal with it here," McDonnell said, offering his condolences to the Zerby family.

The Long Beach officers were dispatched to an apartment building after two people reported a man with a gun sitting on a backyard porch landing, McDonnell said. In an excerpt of a 911 call played for reporters, a male caller said the man appeared to have a "tiny six-shooter."

McDonnell said the officers took positions to observe Zerby, who appeared intoxicated, and believed he had a gun as described by the callers, but focused on setting up containment of the area rather than contacting him.

As officers awaited requested backup units, the man pointed the object at apartments and played with it, causing it to make sounds similar to those of a gun being handled, he said.

Both officers were placed on administrative leave, a standard move after a police shooting.

Biele said the family is considering legal action over the shooting.

She said Zerby, who had an 8-year-old son, had been drinking and rather than drive home, went to his friend's place and was waiting on the stairs for him to come home.

"He never knew there was a problem. Police snuck down the corridor and shot him," Biele said. "He was a drunk sitting on a stoop fumbling with a hose nozzle."

platinumdude
14th December 2010, 10:44 AM
I bet he didn't even pointed it. Just made up facts by the pigs in blue.

midnight rambler
14th December 2010, 10:50 AM
"If you see something, say something" is a state of paranoia.

mick silver
14th December 2010, 10:53 AM
people need to learn .... cops are not here for you an me . they work for the big man

mrnhtbr2232
14th December 2010, 11:31 AM
Evaluate and learn. First, <b>ANY</b> police response is potentially lethal. It doesn't matter what you did, where you are, or if you are innocent. They will arrive with guns, and officers on the scene are judge, jury, and executioner depending on their state of mind, not yours. They are pack hunters, always looking for safety in numbers, and once a shot is fired they go chain-reaction. Any perceived threat to their safety, no matter how moronic, instantly establishes the potential for a deadly response. At that point you are bargaining for your life, not in a position to assume you can negotiate. The tired spectacle of chiefs and captains at the podium with enlarged photos and cadres of top brass behind them while the audience is spoon-fed "cops good, unfortunate situation" plays out across America with semi-regularity. The argument that police failed to identify themselves or demand the water nozzle be dropped was not significant in the big picture. You are dealing with reflexive psychology paired with an ingrained sense of absolute authority, not a case-by-case basis of the system occasionally malfunctioning. The police are damned - no matter how many of them try to actually do their jobs as public servants the command structure and training overrules them, just like soldiers in the military. You will always be on the losing end unless you personally choose to engage or make yourself invisible.

midnight rambler
16th December 2010, 11:53 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poXCJ_liXTQ&feature=player_embedded

cortez
16th December 2010, 12:02 PM
more antics from citizens reporting on onther citizens. get out of the cities

Ponce
16th December 2010, 12:05 PM
I saw the video and the cop showing how the man was holding "the weapon"........IF THE MAN was really doing that (but I don't think so) and because the way that a cops mind works he then (in his own mind) did the right thing by "shooting" first.

Joe King
16th December 2010, 01:17 PM
I saw the video and the cop showing how the man was holding "the weapon"........IF THE MAN was really doing that (but I don't think so) and because the way that a cops mind works he then (in his own mind) did the right thing by "shooting" first.

The problem is that they can say whatever they want as to "what happened".

After all, they waited 7 hours to notify the family of the shooting and the circumstances of it. There's no excuse for that.
It's not like he was a vagrant with no ID. He drove there. Presumably in a registered car that has plates that can be run to determine who owns it.
i.e. there's no way it took 7 hours to determine an ID on the guy, but it could take that long to get stories straight before having to do what amounts to telling on yourself.

I also can't really see any excuse for not having announced their presence.
If they were afraid of getting too close to him, use a bullhorn, or loud speaker on the police car.

The guy was in a narrow little patio area with walls on either side. All they needed to do was to have officers at either end around the corners, thereby removing any path of escape, as they tried to make contact.


The po-po f'ed up. I hope the family gets a huge lawsuit settlement out of this that all but bankrupts the city.
Only way they'll learn to re-examine their "policy" is to hit 'em hard in the pocketbook.

Libertytree
16th December 2010, 01:26 PM
I saw the video and the cop showing how the man was holding "the weapon"........IF THE MAN was really doing that (but I don't think so) and because the way that a cops mind works he then (in his own mind) did the right thing by "shooting" first.

The problem is that they can say whatever they want as to "what happened".

After all, they waited 7 hours to notify the family of the shooting and the circumstances of it. There's no excuse for that.
It's not like he was a vagrant with no ID. He drove there. Presumably in a registered car that has plates that can be run to determine who owns it.
i.e. there's no way it took 7 hours to determine an ID on the guy, but it could take that long to get stories straight before having to do what amounts to telling on yourself.

I also can't really see any excuse for not having announced their presence.
If they were afraid of getting too close to him, use a bullhorn, or loud speaker on the police car.

The guy was in a narrow little patio area with walls on either side. All they needed to do was to have officers at either end around the corners, thereby removing any path of escape, as they tried to make contact.


The po-po f'ed up. I hope the family gets a huge lawsuit settlement out of this that all but bankrupts the city.
Only way they'll learn to re-examine their "policy" is to hit 'em hard in the pocketbook.


The po-po didn't f-up, this is standard protocol for them. They'll re-evaluate their "policy" after a few people there are pissed off enough to set up an ambush.

Book
16th December 2010, 01:41 PM
...was drunk and waiting for his friend to come home and was fiddling with a water nozzle...

..."he used a two-handed pistol-grip hold on an object with his arms fully extended," Long Beach Police Chief Jim McDonnell said... "Somebody that is impaired and waving what appears to witnesses and police to be a handgun. That's what the officers were faced with."



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cedarchopper
16th December 2010, 04:31 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/10/27/2010-10-27_entire_police_force_in_los_ramones_mexico_quits _after_gunmen_attack_headquarters.html

The entire police force in a small Mexican town abruptly resigned Tuesday after its new headquarters was viciously attacked by suspected drug cartel gunmen.

All 14 police officers in Los Ramones, a rural town in northern Mexico, fled the force in terror after gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets and flung six grenades at their headquarters on Monday night.

No one was injured in the attack. Mayor Santos Salinas Garza told local media that the officers resigned because of the incident.

The gunmen’s 20-minute shooting spree destroyed six police vehicles and left the white and orange police station pocked with bullet holes, the Financial Times reported.

The station had been inaugurated just three days earlier.

The attack was the second in less than a week against police forces in Nuevo Leon. Last week, thugs threw two grenades at police in Sabinas Hidalgo, according to newspaper Noroeste.

Los Ramones is in the Mexican state of Nuevo Leon, which has been a war zone of turf violence between two of the country’s fiercest drug gangs, the Zetas and the Gulf cartel.

Police have blamed members of both cartels for attacks on several police stations throughout the area. Several mayors in the region have been assassinated.

Mexico’s municipal police forces often quit out of fear after being attacked by cartels.

About 90% of forces have less than 100 officers, and 61% of cops earn less than $322 a month, according to the Finanical Times.

Mexico’s intelligence chief said this summer that nearly 30,000 people have died in drug related crimes since 2006.

Ponce
16th December 2010, 05:45 PM
"Plomo oh plata?"...........lead or silver.

Buddha
16th December 2010, 06:45 PM
Why not just cut his balls off?

Santa
16th December 2010, 07:59 PM
I hope the family gets a huge lawsuit settlement out of this that all but bankrupts the city.

I do too and this is exactly why it'll never happen.

Twisted Titan
16th December 2010, 08:50 PM
Man is dead so there will only be one story and that sytory will be the one that keep these goons on payroll