I'm looking for a good pre-KJV Bible...

[sirgonzo420]

Forgive me for posting this here instead of the religion subforum; I shamelessly admit that I post here because I appreciate the instant gratification that General Discussion offers.

There may be another thread on this, although I didn't find one when I searched.

I want to buy a pre-KJV of the Bible.

I am thinking of either the Geneva or Douay-Rheims, but I don't really know all the ins and outs of each version. There may be another version out there I'd rather have, but don't know it yet.

What sayeth GSUS?

[MAGNES]

Different versions were discussed in religion section.

Why do want one of those versions ?

Would it be more accurate to say
you are looking for more accurate translations ?

I have links here and comments on all this.

Others put up links too.

There is online versions as well where you can compare
side by side.

Older works and translations cannot be totally
accurate. I explained why using an example
of other translations of other works.

And there is some controversies.
Some say deliberate plots/conspiracy by the tribe.

An interesting one that may be most honest is Martin Luthers translation to German.
A very famous translation that created the German Nation, yes that is right.
He turned on the tribe.

I just banged this off.


Here is a newer thread.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/religion-and-philosophy/differences-between-the-kjv-and-niv/

my comments are mostly about translations
http://gold-silver.us/forum/religion-and-philosophy/why-do-modern-bibles-disagree-if-they-use-the-same-greek/


Sir, you want those specific versions to compare or you want better translations, more accurate.
Long time ago I was reading about translations, how the Jews influenced translations, the writers
of the Talmud were accused, don't know how true it is, there was a version promoted by people
that identify as White Nationalists, a newer translation. Off hand don't know what that one is called.

These discussions can go into a lot of different related areas.
For the record I am no Bible student either. This is why I like
seeing related quotes on issues, MJK used to do this.

[sirgonzo420]

Thanks for the link, Magnes.


I've always abhorred the newer-than-KJV bibles, but as of late have decided I'd like to see what ole Jamesy changed when he commissioned his version.

If I were REALLY looking for accuracy, I suppose I could go for a copy in the original greek and hebrew, but I'm kinda leaning towards something that I can read by itself, without the need for other references (such as would be required for me to read in greek or hebrew) - so I thought one of the earliest english translations that is available from a current publisher would be the best.

[MAGNES]

If you are looking for more accurate translations you need to read my comments in link above.

On Bible I don't even claim to be a student, but I have read a lot on classics
and material having to do with sources, translations, I gave an example of
the Iliad. Same process applies.

The original OT was written in Greek for the period. The original books.
Apparently there was controversy even then, a committee decided what
to write, the commission was for recording history, allegory and mythological
was common method as well.
I am not even aware of a Hebrew version, there is no Hebrew , where is
the literature , writing ? What is the time period if it exists ?
If it was not for the Greeks, more specifically the Ptolemies there would
be no OT as we know it, the Ptolemies ran a Hellenistic Kingdom and built
the Library of Alexandria, this is important to understand with regards to
translations, good luck translating anything perfectly from those days from Greek.

You can only hope for a more perfect translation, and the newer translations
by experts are best, but the problem is POLITICAL CORRECTNESS AND LEFTISTS.
They are messing with everything. An older translation prior to KJV ? Most likely you would
be going backwards. In Rome Greek was totally lost during the Dark Ages for one.

The more I think about it Martin Luthers translation would be interesting.

[MAGNES]

This is a job for Masonic Plot.

What is the Hebrew version of the OT ?

When was it written , what are the sources, archeology, time lines, proofs, etc ?

MP claimed to be a strong student on all this and I believe him here.

I predict crickets. Prove me wrong.

[MAGNES]

Here is what our schooled friend had to say on translations, from old link above.



Biblical Koine has a deceptively subtle lexicon compared to Attic Greek or Homeric Greek, for example. Truly, all ancient forms of Greek are vastly different from English and, moreover, from the thought patterns of modernity to which we are accustomed. Even native scholars of Ancient Greek find even translating Sappho to be the endeavor of a lifetime.


I will look for non PC translation that is promoted by right wingers.

There are books out there, left page most original text, right page translation.
Older classical books like this. Some have made it online.

Free book discusses translations of past, studying, no copyright.
They have some biblical works.
Xenophon Anabasis Hard Copy Ancient Greek Version .pdf
This is from my computer , it is clean, I check them.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XX72N1OV
35MB


http://i51.tinypic.com/2w39tgx.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/23m501t.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/4vo2mu.jpg

[Serpo]

Would a koran do

[MAGNES]

Would a koran do


Yes it would.

: st george flag smiley :

: charles martel smiley :

;D

[MAGNES]

Anyone wanna contribute ?

[7th trump]

Get a Fenton Bible.
It is post KJ time line, but nonetheless a works that isnt influenced by any authoritive figure.

Farrar Fenton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrar_Fenton_Bible

This was my first ever purchased Bible and use it today along with a KJ

[RJB]

This may not exactly answer your question:

As Russkie said, "It's less of the translation and more the interpretation that's important."

There are relatively minor variances in biblical translations when compared to other ancient writings. The church was pretty strict on this. I usually go by the KJV since most other people go by it and I might as well be on the same page so to speak. I've researched good and bad (mostly good) about the KJV.

Also I believe that the KJV is based on an old version that had been dormant for awhile.

[G2Rad]

KJV is the best

[sirgonzo420]

I appreciate all the input guys!


I ordered "The Geneva Bible: A Facsimile of the 1560 Edition" http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1598562126/ the other night.

At some point, I'd like to get a facsimile of an original 1611 KJV, with original spellings and original gothic/black-letter typeface.


Also, a Hebrew-Greek-English interlinear bible would be awesome to own, but I'll wait on that one.

[G2Rad]

I appreciate all the input guys!


I ordered "The Geneva Bible: A Facsimile of the 1560 Edition" http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1598562126/ the other night.

At some point, I'd like to get a facsimile of an original 1611 KJV, with original spellings and original gothic/black-letter typeface.


Also, a Hebrew-Greek-English interlinear bible would be awesome to own, but I'll wait on that one.


I've got 1611 Edition

[sirgonzo420]

I appreciate all the input guys!


I ordered "The Geneva Bible: A Facsimile of the 1560 Edition" http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1598562126/ the other night.

At some point, I'd like to get a facsimile of an original 1611 KJV, with original spellings and original gothic/black-letter typeface.


Also, a Hebrew-Greek-English interlinear bible would be awesome to own, but I'll wait on that one.


I've got 1611 Edition


Do you like it?

I was thinking of picking one up the other day, but the one I was looking at was a bit different from the ORIGINAL 1611 KJV. The version I saw at the bookstore had the original spellings (except with "s" replacing the "long s"), but was in an updated, roman typeface.

I figured if I was gonna get a facsimile it might as well be a true copy... hard-to-read gothic/black-letter typeface and all.

[G2Rad]

Do you like it?

I was thinking of picking one up the other day, but the one I was looking at was a bit different from the ORIGINAL 1611 KJV. The version I saw at the bookstore had the original spellings (except with "s" replacing the "long s"), but was in an updated, roman typeface.

I figured if I was gonna get a facsimile it might as well be a true copy... hard-to-read gothic/black-letter typeface and all.




The one that I have is this one: amazon link (http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Bible-King-James-Version/dp/1565631609/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1293461866&sr=8-2)
It is quite beautiful. I am a happy owner and yes I do recomend. Full of misspellings though. :)

Me too was in a chase for "originals", Greek and Hebrew texts, untill I came across one guy's videos, that blew my mind off by showing absolutelly amazing stuff right in the KJV
if you wish I can try fo find them (when I have time )

still, I have not (completely :) ) become KJV-only guy

also I own the four-volume set of Hebrew-Greek-English Interlinear bible
( seldom used. used ony to show stuff in it to friends & family. sword sowftware im much more practical when it comes to greek & hebrew )

my most valuable and used posessions are:

1. Common man's Reference Bible by David Hoffman ( and I love his tapes )
2. Ruckman's Reference Bible ( the guy is quite rough, but amazing. watch his videos first. )
3. Nelsons's King James Study Bible (http://www.amazon.com/Bible-James-Version-Study-Burgundy/dp/0785201688/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1293462343&sr=8-3). conservative ( in a wordly sence )

[DMac]

SirG,

I've been browsing around for some time looking for a 1611 KJV. As said above if you want to get pre-1611 you will have to get into the Hebrew and Greek. Any version, translated into English, prior to 1611 cannot be verified as uncorrupted, IMO.

This is a kind of pricey version, but one I've been eyeballing for a while:

LINK (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=1611+kjv+bible&cid=6875364273828458425&os=sellers#)

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

I see that no one has yet mentioned the popular theory that Sir Francis Bacon was the primary editor of the King James Version of the Bible.

KJV produced: 1604-1611
Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1626)

Very important character in history to read about.

Also, read about his mentor, Jon Dee.