Hunt's Deathbed Confession Reveals JFK Killers

[Serpo]

Hunt's Deathbed Confession
Reveals JFK Killers
The Last Confession Of E. Howard Hunt -
US government/CIA team murdered JFK
By Larry Chin
Online Journal Associate Editor
4-4-7

The April 5 issue of Rolling Stone features the deathbed confession of CIA operative and key Bay of Pigs/Watergate/Nixon administration figure E. Howard Hunt, The Last Confession of E. Howard Hunt by Erik Hedegaard. This piece is significant not only for its exploration of Hunt, but for breakthrough information that appears to thoroughly corroborate the work of key John F. Kennedy assassination researchers and historians.

Who killed JFK?

According to Hunt's confession, which was taken by his son, St. John ("Saint") Hunt, over the course of many personal and carefully planned father-son meetings, the following individuals were among the key participants:

Lyndon B. Johnson: LBJ, whose own career was assisted by JFK nemesis J. Edgar Hoover (FBI), gave the orders to a CIA-led hit team, and helped guide the Warren Commission/lone gunman cover-up.

Cord Meyer: CIA agent, architect of the Operation Mockingbird disinformation apparatus, and husband of Mary Meyer (who had an affair with JFK).

David Atlee Philips: CIA and Bay of Pigs veteran. Recruited William Harvey (CIA) and Cuban exile militant Antonio Veciana.

William Harvey: CIA and Bay of Pigs veteran. Connected to Mafia figures Santos Trafficante and Sam Giancana.

Antonio Veciana: Cuban exile, founder of CIA-backed Alpha 66.

Frank Sturgis: CIA operative, mercenary, Bay of Pigs veteran, and later Watergate figure.

David Morales: CIA hit man, Bay of Pigs veteran. Morales was also a figure involved with the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy.

Lucien Sarti: Corsican assassin and drug trafficker, possible "French gunman," Grassy Knoll (second) shooter.

Would Hunt continue to tell lies on his deathbed? Perhaps. Would Hunt tell a final tall story or two, to protect himself, or perhaps deal one final slap in the face to the US government (which made him a fall guy for Watergate)? Yes. Would Hunt hide the involvement of certain individuals to whom he remained loyal, including people who are still alive? Certainly. Anything from an operative like Hunt can only be accepted with caution and healthy skepticism.

Nevertheless, Hunt's scenario has the ring of truth.

Each of the named names are well-known CIA and CIA-linked players exposed by many researchers and historians who have detailed the enduring connection from the Bay of Pigs and the Dallas hit to Watergate and Iran-Contra.

The Hunt confession vindicates generations of historians, researchers and whistleblowers who have given their lives and careers to expose the truth about Dealey Plaza. While there are too many to name, they include, but are not limited to (and in no particular order): Jim Garrison, Mark Lane, Fletcher Prouty, Josiah Thompson, Carl Oglesby, Peter Dale Scott, Anthony Summers, Robert Groden, Victor Marchetti, David Lifton, Harrison Livingstone, Michael Canfield, A.J. Weberman, Sylvia Meagher, William Turner, Jim Marrs, Pete Brewton, John Newman, Philip Melanson, Hal Verb, Mae Brussell, Harold Weisberg, Oliver Stone, Mike Ruppert and Dan Hopsicker, Jim diEugenio and Linda Pease.

Meanwhile, the criminal deceptions of the US government and its corporate media, the Warren Commission, and the dirty work of cover-up specialists such as Gerald Posner and Mark Fuhrman, and the legions of JFK assassination revisionist/theorists, deserve a final rebuke, and eternal scorn.

Highlighting Hunt's role

Although the Rolling Stone piece does not address it, the Hunt confession directly corroborates two classic investigations that previously exposed the role of Hunt. They are Mark Lane's Plausible Denial and Michael Canfield/A.J. Weberman's Coup D'Etat in America. Lane's book details how he took Hunt to court, and won a libel suit, essentially proving that the CIA murdered JFK, and that Hunt lied about his whereabouts. The investigation of Canfield and Weberman identified Hunt and Frank Sturgis as two of the three "tramps" arrested at Dealey Plaza.

Time has only made these investigations more relevant. More than ever, their books, and those of the JFK historians and researchers above listed, deserve to be found, read and studied.

Hunt to Nixon to Bush

The Rolling Stone piece fails to go after the roles of Richard Nixon and George Herbert Walker Bush. But the Hunt confession, if accurate, leads directly to them, to their lifelong associates, and all the way to the present George W. Bush administration.

The Dallas-Watergate-Iran-Contra connection has been thoroughly documented by the key JFK researchers, and in particular, in the work of Peter Dale Scott, one of the very first to show the deep political continuity across three decades. Daniel Hopsicker's Barry and the Boys goes into even more detail on the players.

Consider the career of George H.W. Bush. He was a Texas oilman (Zapata Oil) and a CIA operative, involved with the Bay of Pigs. Bush's name was found in the papers of George DeMohrenschildt, one of Lee Harvey Oswald's CIA handlers. As documented by Pete Brewton, author of The Mafia, the CIA and George Bush, Bush was deeply connected with a small circle of Texas elites tied to the CIA and the Mafia, as well as the Florida-based CIA/anti-Casto Cuban exile/ Mafia milieu As Richard Nixon's hand-picked Republican National Committee chairman, and later as CIA director, Bush constantly covered-up and stonewalled for his boss about Watergate, which itself (by the admission of Frank Sturgis and others) was a cover-up of the JFK assassination.

Tracking any of the individual CIA operatives involved with the Bay of Pigs, it is impossible to ignore or deny direct connections to George H.W. Bush and his crime family, across the Kennedy assassinations, covert operations in Indochina and, later, Latin America.

Beyond any reasonable doubt, the US government murdered John F. Kennedy. There are people still alive today who were involved directly and indirectly implicated. Some are probably even serving in positions of high influence. Some still have never been identified or touched.

All of these individuals still need to be pursued, exposed, and brought to justice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlpL7qZxPhA

http://www.rense.com/general76/hunt.htm

[Hatha Sunahara]

All of these individuals still need to be pursued, exposed, and brought to justice.

Be assured that they won't be pursued or brought to justice. The ones directing this conspiracy all belong to secret societies like Skull and Bones. All the Skull and Bones people help each other, and they are all in very high positions in both the private and public sectors. These secret societies will insure that justice is not done.

Nor will the people who brought us 911 be pursued or brought to justice. For the same reason.

I don't think it was the US government that killed Kennedy. There were people in the government who were part of the conspiracy, but it's more likely that the conspiracy was hatched by the Rothschilds because of Kennedy's attempt to create currency backed by silver and not originating in the Federal Reserve. To them, Kennedy was a loose cannon. He would have destroyed their business. I'm confident they consider the conspiracy to kill JFK a good business decision.

Hatha

[MNeagle]

One of the questions asked years ago:

"What would you like to know before you die?"


My answer:

"Who shot JFK?"


Today, I would add:

"And why?"


Hatha, I suspect you nailed it. Thank you.

[midnight rambler]

I'm confident they consider the conspiracy to kill JFK a good business decision.

Of course it was a good business decision considering that their Boy Elroy LBJ escalated SE Asia into an incredibly profitable venture.

[mrnhtbr2232]

All of these individuals still need to be pursued, exposed, and brought to justice.

Be assured that they won't be pursued or brought to justice. The ones directing this conspiracy all belong to secret societies like Skull and Bones. All the Skull and Bones people help each other, and they are all in very high positions in both the private and public sectors. These secret societies will insure that justice is not done.

Nor will the people who brought us 911 be pursued or brought to justice. For the same reason.

I don't think it was the US government that killed Kennedy. There were people in the government who were part of the conspiracy, but it's more likely that the conspiracy was hatched by the Rothschilds because of Kennedy's attempt to create currency backed by silver and not originating in the Federal Reserve. To them, Kennedy was a loose cannon. He would have destroyed their business. I'm confident they consider the conspiracy to kill JFK a good business decision.

Hatha


Really this is the theme of the hour - while ordinary people expect the same metrics of accountability will apply they seldom, if ever, do.

[PatColo]

but it's more likely that the conspiracy was hatched by the Rothschilds because of Kennedy's attempt to create currency backed by silver and not originating in the Federal Reserve. To them, Kennedy was a loose cannon. He would have destroyed their business. I'm confident they consider the conspiracy to kill JFK a good business decision.


Bearing in mind that Rothschild=Israel (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/the-zionist-elephant-in-the-room/msg2940/#msg2940), and that the US' intel-agencies/shadow-gummit works for Rothschild not the US; JFK's "silver certificate" idea was certainly touching a live wire. But JFK was also opposed to Rothschild's fast-growing tumor in Palestine's acquisition of nukes which they were actively pursuing, and everyone knows they've long since acquired. So JFK's threat to the Fed was certainly reason #1 coz owning nations' central banks is the root, or wellspring, of the Rothschild global crime syndicate's wealth-redistribution stream. But JFK's pressuring them not to acquire nukes was surely reason #2, coz that's the Rothschild's "security" (they're so tired of being persecuted victims, you understand! ;)).

[Hatha Sunahara]

Sounds like you read The Final Judgment by Michal Collins Piper, Pat Colo. Piper puts heavy emphasis on Kennedy's insistence that Israel open up their nuclear reactor for inspections, and that for this reason, the Mossad was sent out to remove this problem for Israel.

It's also possible that E Howard Hunt and all his other bumbling spy cohorts were working for the Mossad without their knowledge.

I think it's also possible that the leadership of the USA were blackmailed into not following up on the attack on the USS Liberty in June of 1967. Israel likely would have made information available that would have destroyed all their careers had they held Israel accountable for the USS Liberty incident. I'm pretty sure that there are people in the US government today whom Israel could destroy by releasing information on their role in 911. Blackmail is a pretty powerful political weapon.

Hatha

[Hermie]

Michael Collins Piper wrote the book, Final Judgement that tells the story of Israel's part in JFK's assassination.
Talk about having 'the ring of truth', it does.

[Book]

Sounds like you read The Final Judgment by Michal Collins Piper, Pat Colo. Piper puts heavy emphasis on Kennedy's insistence that Israel open up their nuclear reactor for inspections, and that for this reason, the Mossad was sent out to remove this problem for Israel.

It's also possible that E Howard Hunt and all his other bumbling spy cohorts were working for the Mossad without their knowledge.

I think it's also possible that the leadership of the USA were blackmailed into not following up on the attack on the USS Liberty in June of 1967. Israel likely would have made information available that would have destroyed all their careers had they held Israel accountable for the USS Liberty incident. I'm pretty sure that there are people in the US government today whom Israel could destroy by releasing information on their role in 911. Blackmail is a pretty powerful political weapon.

Hatha



Best pithy summary ever posted on the internet of what happened and why.

:)

[Bigjon]

Jackie the Jewess was the triggerman.

http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK%20murder.htm


The driver is innocent:

http://www.youtube.com/v/DguBcLpWBS0

[ShortJohnSilver]

Jackie the Jewess was the triggerman.



Read between the lines as to what Jews really think of middle-class America, the uses of beautiful women as playthings of the rich and powerful, and whether Jackie was Jewish at heart ...

http://www.mitchellmoss.com/oped/94-06-10-jewishworld.html

[Neuro]

Jackie the Jewess was the triggerman.

http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK%20murder.htm


The driver is innocent:

http://www.youtube.com/v/DguBcLpWBS0
The physics of the Zapruder film are quite convincing

[Serpo]

Yes looks like it was Jackie Kennedy who shot JFK.......

[Awoke]

I wasn't aware of the isreal/nuclear thing, but IMO, this is why JFK was killed:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710662559138481080#

[PatColo]

Sounds like you read The Final Judgment by Michal Collins Piper, Pat Colo.


Never read it, but am familiar with its points re Izzy/JFK just from being around the truth scene for awhile, various articles, radio hosts etc cite MCP's book all the time-- not to mention I've listened to a dozen or two of his shows in years past.

MCP was recently booted from RBN by Stadtmiller, or "quit", however you want to interpret it, let him tell the story:

Michael Collins Piper’s Initial Statement Concerning his Departure From RBN (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2010/12/19/michael-collins-pipers-initial-statement-concerning-his-departure-from-rbn/#more-3703)

That 2nd to last paragraph beginning with "I was disturbed to learn that a certain party..." cracked me up... a more lame denial of being a drunk would be hard to imagine, "[...] so therefore it would be impossible for me to be “drunk” and thus unable to broadcast!" -- of course Michael, that makes perfect bulletproof sense! ;) I used to listen to his show now and then, I like the guy but I could tell though, there were shows when he was well-lit.

[Glass]

what is it that rolls onto the boot of the car? The guy on the back pushes it back toward Jackie. It looks fairly large what ever it is.

[iOWNme]

Would you rather have your guns or Silver?

JFK, was probably the most treasonous President we have EVER had. Documented proof here:


http://gold-silver.us/forum/firearms/gun-ban-treaty-coming-soon/msg62739/#msg62739


Yes, the truth hurts. And yes, i call a spade a spade, when i see one.

Really think about the severity of what he did. Dont you know they ALWAYS put up a satanist as our hero? All it takes is a violent Murder, huge Funeral, and then erect a Statue. It is a Communist idea, right out of their own playbook. Ala MLK, etc.

[Cebu_4_2]

what is it that rolls onto the boot of the car? The guy on the back pushes it back toward Jackie. It looks fairly large what ever it is.


Looks to be the part of JFKs head that popped off after Jackie blew it off.

[Tumbleweed]

There is a video of a confession by a guy who claims to have shot JFK at the same moment that some think Jackie shot him. I don't think she did. This is an interesting video but I can't post it but you'll find it here. http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/index1.htm





what is it that rolls onto the boot of the car? The guy on the back pushes it back toward Jackie. It looks fairly large what ever it is.


Looks to be the part of JFKs head that popped off after Jackie blew it off.

[hoarder]

It doesn't matter which hired hand did the deed, what matters is CUI BONO.

[Tumbleweed]

I found the video I was looking for and here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTVH--eqWg4




There is a video of a confession by a guy who claims to have shot JFK at the same moment that some think Jackie shot him. I don't think she did. This is an interesting video but I can't post it but you'll find it here. http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/index1.htm





what is it that rolls onto the boot of the car? The guy on the back pushes it back toward Jackie. It looks fairly large what ever it is.


Looks to be the part of JFKs head that popped off after Jackie blew it off.

[midnight rambler]

JFK, was probably the most treasonous President we have EVER had.

What you're suggesting is a real stretch in light of the facts surrounding genuine traitors such as Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Nixon, all elements of the BushCo Int'l Crime Syndicate, etc., and especially in light of this in particular:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

What you're suggesting just doesn't square with the facts.

[Glass]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f3mlbrwXjg&feature=related

What about this guy?

[Neuro]

I don't speculate as to what happened with there, but I do have irrefutable proof that the Z film that was released and is freely available everywhere was edited and is not what what the camera actually recorded.

I do intend to eventually post such, but it has not been a priority. I just don't think it will matter one iota. The people - "So what?"
I would like to know more about that. Of course that is something that has to be taken into account with a film that was released more than a decade later...

[Serpo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f3mlbrwXjg&feature=related

What about this guy?


Great clip there glass,the eyebrows gave him away........ha

1.13min into clip is photo of this guy standing with a rifle on the grassy knol taking aim

[Serpo]

I don't speculate as to what happened with there, but I do have irrefutable proof that the Z film that was released and is freely available everywhere was edited and is not what what the camera actually recorded.

I do intend to eventually post such, but it has not been a priority. I just don't think it will matter one iota. The people - "So what?"


Why post anything.......the TRUTH matters

[Serpo]

http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK%20murder.htm


some of the smoke from Jackie K gun


this isnt discounting the grassy knoll guy as they where both shooting about or at the same time




The smoke rapidly expands and dissipates in about 3 tenths of a second (0.2732s at 18.3 fps and 0.3125s at 16 fps), being just discernable in the last frame of this sequence.

Material from the head wound has exited at high speed, as we have observed, and would not wispily linger in the air as smoke does. Moreover, it is evident that this smoke has an initial component of velocity in the horizontal direction equal to that of the limousine and that this component is slowed by air resistance (compare the expanding smoke cloud with the white object on the lawn and with the fixed features of the president's car, such as the top of the rear seat). The separation between the smoke cloud and the white object on the grass decreases at a rate that is very slightly less than the rate at which the white object is perceived to travel with respect to the limousine.

Neither John nor Jackie Kennedy are smoking a cigarette. The smoke has been caused by some explosive reaction, such as the detonation of a firearm cartridge. Such smoke remains where the gun is; it does not travel with the bullet. The fact that this smoke appears in the sequence at the same time as the fatal injury, and that it emanates from the left-hand-side of JFK's head, where Jackie Kennedy has positioned herself, means that President Kennedy was killed by his wife.

[iOWNme]

JFK, was probably the most treasonous President we have EVER had.

What you're suggesting is a real stretch in light of the facts surrounding genuine traitors such as Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Nixon, all elements of the BushCo Int'l Crime Syndicate, etc., and especially in light of this in particular:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

What you're suggesting just doesn't square with the facts.


Im not suggesting anything, i have proven my statement. I cant think of anything worse than sealing the fate of Americans GUNS. Can you?

Lincoln? He did what he had to to stop Central Banks from setting up shop here. Once you realize that the South's uprising was funded and controlled by TPTB, you see that the US and Russia were the only Countries that didnt belong to the Bank of Rothschild at that time. Hence the assassination of the Czar, and Lincoln = Now both Russia and the US have been enslaved by Central Banks.

Do you have any idea of just how corrupt the Kennedy family is? Do you know how the Kennedy family made all of their money? They are Leftist, anti-American, Corporate traitors.

[Serpo]

The extent to which the Zionists ensured that this heinous crime against a decent family man was caught on cine film gives some insight into their depraved and spiritually dead minds. No doubt this assassination is gleefully watched by the offspring of the Devil, behind closed doors, to this day.

Notice, for instance, a couple of similarly-dressed men, marked 'A' and 'B' (with an equipment bag, marked 'C'), who are almost certainly CIA operatives. President Kennedy is shot in the head right before their eyes, but they do not even flinch, because they are there to document the event, just as the Dancing Israelis were there in New York City to document the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers at the World Trade Centre (as discussed elsewhere on this web site).

No one has seen the video from these two people......

tried to post larger pic but was too large





Where is their film?

Why were they already set up there, just like Zapruder was, along a street that President Kennedy was not scheduled to go down?

http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK%20murder.htm

[Serpo]

JFK, was probably the most treasonous President we have EVER had.

What you're suggesting is a real stretch in light of the facts surrounding genuine traitors such as Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Nixon, all elements of the BushCo Int'l Crime Syndicate, etc., and especially in light of this in particular:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

What you're suggesting just doesn't square with the facts.


Im not suggesting anything, i have proven my statement. I cant think of anything worse than sealing the fate of Americans GUNS. Can you?

Lincoln? He did what he had to to stop Central Banks from setting up shop here. Once you realize that the South's uprising was funded and controlled by TPTB, you see that the US and Russia were the only Countries that didnt belong to the Bank of Rothschild at that time. Hence the assassination of the Czar, and Lincoln = Now both Russia and the US have been enslaved by Central Banks.

Do you have any idea of just how corrupt the Kennedy family is? Do you know how the Kennedy family made all of their money? They are Leftist, anti-American, Corporate traitors.


All we are attemting to do is find out who killed JFK ect.

As to wether he was good bad or ugly isnt the point here.

One pres droped the A bomb

One took us of the gold standard

One took us to war in Iraq

To say one is worse than the other.........its a highly competitive area

[Glass]

I can't see how Jackie was the shooter. The trajectory looks forward and maybe 10 -15 degrees from vertical. Her left hand is not positioned right for this trajectory and her right hand is empty.

I'd still like to know what it is she throws at frame 326. You can see it land at 328. I think it's a piece of bone and was probably a reflex action. Does seem odd the guy running behind reaches over and pushes it back. Again it could be a reflex.

[General of Darkness]

No one has seen the video from these two people......

tried to post larger pic but was too large

Where is their film?

Why were they already set up there, just like Zapruder was, along a street that President Kennedy was not scheduled to go down?

http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK%20murder.htm


EXACTLY SERPO. Just like the TONS of camera's on the Pentagram on 9/11.

I SWEAR to GOD, I'm really fricken sick of being fed propaganda 24/7. I know we at GSUS can think for ourselves and will look for the truth, but we're NOT sheeple, but the remaining 99% of Amerikwans will eat everything that's presented to them.

EDIT.

WTF is that a hand gun that comes off the left side of the trunk after the shot?

http://www.realityreviewed.com/Headshot.gif

[cedarchopper]

JFK had already been shot in the throat before the shot that blew the back of his head off.

[DMac]

cc is atahualpa!??

And yes, you are right cc, there were 2 shots. The original film, IIRC, showed JFK's head bop in one direction after the first shot, then pop in another direction after the second shot.

[midnight rambler]

Lincoln? He did what he had to to stop Central Banks from setting up shop here.

This statement indicates you're clueless. Lincoln was probably the worst president ever. After Congress adjourned sine die he assumed dictatorial powers. He issued the Executive Order #1, radically increasing the power of the office of the presidency. He instituted the war powers/martial rule (The Lieber Code) which remains in effect today. Lincoln single-handedly killed the republic.

And FWIW, the secret societies ARE the gun grabbers. I submit you cannot see the forest for the trees.

Lincoln tried to thwart the banksters? The very same thing can be said about Kennedy.

[Serpo]

President Kennedy's reaction is not that of a victim of a gunshot or an electric shock, but that of someone who has been exposed to a lachrymatory agent (or lachrymator). These cause difficulty in breathing, paralysis and general respiratory discomfort. Even relatively mild ones can be very fast acting: "Tear gas is so fast-acting it's amazing. It affects your throat more than it affects your eyes, in fact. I honestly felt like if I didn't drink something my throat was literally going to fall out of my body." (Source.)

There were many chemical and/or biological agents known to research laboratories and the military, even back in 1963. These are classified in various categories, three of which are the harassing agents (such as CN and CS gas), blister agents (such as mustard gas) and nerve agents (such as sarin - discovered in 1939 - and tabun).

They are all incapacitating in nature and their characteristics depend upon the type of agent, the concentration and the method of dissemination. "Usefulness," in the military sense of the word, depends upon the time taken to have the desired effect, the predictability of behaviour and the antidotes available for friendly personnel.

There is insufficient information available to the public to be able to identify which agent was used to incapacitate John F. Kennedy, but we can narrow the field down a little.

Blister vesicants, such as mustard gas, burn the skin and respiratory tract, but can be ruled out because their effects do not manifest themselves until long after exposure.

Harassing gases or sprays can be eliminated, since they would be highly likely to incapacitate Jacqueline Kennedy as well, and would not render the victim totally incapable or unaware.

An agent which is liquid in its normal state, highly incapacitating, very rapid in taking effect, safe to handle (constituents being kept apart) and for which antidotes are available, would be needed.

A nerve agent developed by the British at Porton Down Chemical Weapons Research Centre between 1952 and 1954, subsequently called VX gas after its production technology was traded with the Americans in return for nuclear weapons secrets, or one of the variants thereof, is a distinct possibility. Although called a gas, it is actually a clear, odourless liquid at room temperature.

A stronger candidate though is cyclosarin, cyclohexyl methylphosphonofluoridate (or GF). This is a colourless and odourless liquid at room temperature in its pure form, which is highly persistent (i.e., gives off almost no vapour) and is highly toxic when absorbed through the skin. It was initially developed by Germany in the Second World War (not used by them) and then further studied and developed by both Britain and the United States in the early 1950s.

It was necessary to get the liquid nerve agent onto JFK's skin and to facilitate this the murderers made use of the fact that President Kennedy had a long-term back problem and always wore a steel-boned brace. The following two sets of photos purport to show this contraption after it had been taken off his body. They cannot be showing the original, of course, since there is no blood on the material. It is more likely that they are photos of one of JFK's bona fide back supports (probably off Air Force One). Special precautions would have been necessary to remove and dispose of the one he was actually wearing.

The agent would be stored in the girdle as two precursors, separated until required to be combined. To quote Wikipedia, "A cyclosarin binary weapon would most likely contain methylphosphonyl difluoride in one capsule, with the other capsule containing either cyclohexanol or a mixture of cyclohexylamine and cyclohexanol."

Two small vials of the chemical precursors would have been stitched into the corset, together with the battery and the method of breaking the vial(s). John Kennedy was used to having steel rods in his back support and would never have noticed any difference with this one. He was probably helped into it on the airplane.

The median lethal dose (referred to by the designation, LD50) necessary to kill a person of around 90kg would be 31.5g by percutaneous (through the skin) delivery (at 0.35mg/kg - source), and I would think it highly likely that this would have been roughly the quantity used, since one way or another (i.e., outside the "hospital" or inside it), President Kennedy's fate was sealed as soon as that device deposited the nerve agent onto his skin. Also, death would follow such a dose within 15 minutes, but the higher the initial dosage, the faster the incapacitation would occur and the quicker John Kennedy could be killed (by a bullet).

John Bowden Connally, Jr., a Johnson supporter and leader of the Johnson presidential campaign at the 1960 Democratic convention in Los Angeles, was named Secretary of the United States Navy (by President Kennedy) in 1961 and directed the Sixth Fleet in the Mediterranean Sea. Although resigning from the navy to run for governorship of Texas, he would have been well used to (and privy to) all the nerve agent testing information that the navy had been doing, including personal observation of effectiveness and reaction times on actual subjects.

The urgent need to bleach and then incinerate the actual back support cut from JFK's body, not only due to the residual nerve agent present, but also to destroy the vials and electromechanical circuitry, explains why we get photos of JFK's shirt, but not of the brace that he wore that day.

The only thing that the U.S. Navy man, John Connally, had to ensure was that JFK did indeed have the back-support brace on. How would Connally ensure this to his satisfaction, since he had not been on the plane with the presidential party? That's easy. How would you do that if you were in his position as the Governor of Texas? Just feel for it, using the pretext of giving the victim a friendly stroke on the back.

Gif at link showing Connally patting JFK on the back(too big to post)

http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK%20murder.htm

[FunnyMoney]

And yes, you are right cc, there were 2 shots. The original film, IIRC, showed JFK's head bop in one direction after the first shot, then pop in another direction after the second shot.


Yes, this is the most likely scenario. All the films and all the evidence support this scenario.

JFK and RFK did not follow along with the family tradition and history. They used their own individual free will to make their own decisions and set their own path without regard to who or what their parents were.

This made them most dangerous to TPTB. They could not be trusted by TPTB to do satan's bidding as did their father and their brother. They likely communicated in private among themselves, but it is also very likely that JFK did not tell RFK about all his plans. JFK understood what he was up against and did a few things in line with what TPTB wanted as he had to in order to protect himself and his agenda. It was well known that he disliked LBJ (his VP not by choice).

As the Dallas timeframe approached, JFK put into motion the early parts of his plan. It is very likely that only he knew what the entire plan was and the RFK only knew very small portions of it. JFK understood history and certainly would have known the famous quote about, "3 people can keep a secret, as long as 2 of them are dead." So it's likely that only JFK knew the whole plan he had ready for his first term.

Well prior to Dallas it became very clear to anyone, at that time really paying attention and with a full understanding of the status quo order of things, that what was taking place was going to be a drastic huge shift. When executive order 11110 came out and the "secret societies" speech was delivered, TPTB simply could not wait any longer.

But JFK grew up in privilege. He did not grow up in the school of hard knocks. He was smart and understood humility and the dangers of over-confidence but he lacked a street feel. That feeling that tells a hunter alone in the wild that someone is watching from a far, or that tells a driver in the dark that maybe they shouldn't turn left at the next crossing even though all the plans and directions indicate they should. It is likely that JFK thought that TPTB would try to beat him back in the congress, or with rogue extortion at an international level. He was likely planning for those kinds of fights and probably thought that violence upon him would only be tried later on when and if some of his agenda started to work.

JFK probably thought that by some of his more amenable actions toward TPTB and becouse of his family connections that TPTB figured he was still reasonable toward them, or would be later down the road coming back under their wing. He probably did not understand how far the conspiracy against him had evolved and probably did not believe they would make such a bold preemptive move in what was then still the very early stages of his agenda. But unlike Eisenhower who addressed issues further removed from the center of absolute power, JFK had gone right after the money. Centralized money and centralized power are a symbiotic pair. JFK struck directly at the heart and power of the secret societies with 11110 and even though it was a long way from making a difference, it was enough to spring TPTB into full and total action: JFK had to go and immediately. When RFK came out of mourning and showed in the polls that it was likely he would become the next to take the office, TPTB decided to take no chances and that it would be much better to preempt him as well, while it would be relatively easy to do so.

The world is likely never again to see another double agent of individual free will move up through the ranks of satan's order. The fight has gone both global and individual. This time the fight will evolve on the street, in your home town, inside your own family. Nobody can make it all the way to the center of power now, centralized power is now system wide. The system has taken on a life of its own. Taxes have had thousands of years to evolve. Fiat money is used in every corner of the world and the system has been made to rely on it. Taking down the system or rolling it back is no longer possible without massive severe pain. The majority of the world is in no mood for such sacrifice. We could be decades away from the required willingness to make such a sacrifice if not longer. JFK may have been the last single hope to turn the ship around. It appears that now the only way freedom recovers is if the ship is sunk.

[Serpo]

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/headshot.htm



From the confession of James Files 1994: "When I got to the point where I thought it would be the last field of fire, I had zeroed in to the left side of the head there that I had because if I wait any longer then Jacqueline Kennedy would have been in the line of fire and I had been instructed for nothing to happen to her and at that moment I figured this is my last chance for a shot and he had still not been hit in the head. So, as I fired that round, Mr. Nicoletti and I fired approximately at the same time as the head started forward then it went backward. I would have to say that his shell struck approximately 1000th of a second ahead of mine maybe but that what's started pushing the head forward which caused me to miss from the left eye and I came in on the left side of the temple."

From the confession of James Files 2003:

J - where were you aiming?

JF - Oh, I was aiming for his right eye, which to me is the left side of his head looking head on. But for him it would be his right eye, and when I pulled the trigger, and I'm right in on it, and it's almost like looking 6 feet away through the scope. As I squeezed, take off my round, his head moved forward, I missed and I come in right along the temple. Just right behind the eye.

J - Here or in the hairline?

JF - Well, I'm not sure, you know I can't see the penetration, I know I hit him right here (pointing at temple). I know I hit behind the eye. Somewhere within a half inch diameter right there (pointing again).

W - So there were actually two shots almost simultaneously?

J - You think he got hit as you squeezed?

JF - What I believe is this : ….. And I got my readings as a marksman, I'm a good shooter, always was, I'm not bragging on my stuff, don't get me wrong, but that's what got me my start with David Phillips. Because of something that I did in the service, and I made a mark there and it's on record and it's recorded, for headshots, for what I did, and the things that I did. But anyway, to make a long story short, as I am preparing to squeeze off my round, Kennedy's head moved forward, just as I squeezed. It was already in process, the head started forward. To me … what I believe is, … and I did not see, let me clear the fact now, I never saw Mr. Nicoletti shoot Kennedy, but I know he was the man in the Daltex building, the man supposed to be doing the shooting. Therefore the head started forward and as far as I am concerned Mr Nicoletti hit him at that point. As I squeezed off my round, the head started forward, I hit it and blew the head backwards.

[iOWNme]

Lincoln? He did what he had to to stop Central Banks from setting up shop here.

This statement indicates you're clueless. Lincoln was probably the worst president ever. After Congress adjourned sine die he assumed dictatorial powers. He issued the Executive Order #1, radically increasing the power of the office of the presidency. He instituted the war powers/martial rule (The Lieber Code) which remains in effect today. Lincoln single-handedly killed the republic.

And FWIW, the secret societies ARE the gun grabbers. I submit you cannot see the forest for the trees.

Lincoln tried to thwart the banksters? The very same thing can be said about Kennedy.


Clueless huh? because i can see past what all the 'Patriots' have been told? Lincoln wasnt the smartest fella, (hence he was ALLOWED to be elected), but he did fully understand Central Banking at the time. Sure, he may have made decisions that were ruthless and considered wrong, (I can agree) but he did what he had to to stop the destruction of America. (Whether we agree or not) I am fully aware of his 'Proclamation', but i have also read ALL of the Congressional records, and Lincoln NEVER referred to it as a 'Civil War'. He stated MANY times that the goal of the conflict was to 'Preserve the Union'.

If the South had split, it would have led to the destruction of the American Peoples Liberty, much more rapidly than it already has. And that is just a simple fact.

So he could have INSTANTLY killed the Republic, or made a decision that allowed the Republic to flourish for another couple decades, which allowed for the Industrial Revolution, etc.

We may disagree, but to call me clueless IS a far stretch. We just have differing opinions.

Do you know how the Kennedy's made all of their money? And you think he was going to get rid of Central Banks....LOL The Kennedys ENTIRE fortune is made off of Government Monopoly, or COMMUNISM. Not made from hard work, free market and competitive Capitalism.

[palani]

He stated MANY times that the goal of the conflict was to 'Preserve the Union'
Just pointing out that the word "perpetual" appears nowhere in the U.S. constitution. Instead this is a concept from the Articles of Confederation and is why my contention is that the Articles are still in effect.

Now whether the body politic that agreed to the Articles of Confederation are still in existence is an entirely different argument.

[gunDriller]

in May 1994 i had an interview with the government for computer graphics work, at my home office.

one of the guys commented on my books and asked me about the JFK assassination.

i said, "you guys did it, didn't you ?"

that interview, which had taken about 1 1/2 hours, ended within 5 minutes. the guy didn't look too happy.

then in October 1994 i was invited back for a second interview. i didn't follow up on the second interview by sending my resume - but it sure was interesting.

[palani]

one of the guys commented on my books and asked me about the JFK assassination.

Nice segway. "You keep good books. By the way, do you know who killed Kennedy?"

Any rational response would have lead to the next question "How about Hoffa?"

[FunnyMoney]

Do you know how the Kennedy's made all of their money? And you think he was going to get rid of Central Banks....LOL The Kennedys ENTIRE fortune is ....



You discount individual free will. You provide guilt by association only. You do not address the issues (11110 and the secret societies speech).

As I said in my post above, JFK and RFK went against their family ties to TPTB. Do you think such a thing is impossible to do? If so, then that's says a lot about your thinking. This site is full of accusations because of association, and distractions. I already admitted that Ted and most of the family were fully in line with TPTB. But the actions of JFK did not tow that line. The thread is not about whether the southern states had the right to leave the union or about Lincoln or about JFK's parents. It's clear you did not read my page one posts and refuse to address the specific issue of this thread or the specific deads of JFK. But you are quick to find plenty of guilt because he was born into a certain family.

[iOWNme]

But you are quick to find plenty of guilt because he was born into a certain family.


No. I said he was guilty of TREASON. Signing Public Law 87-297 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/firearms/gun-ban-treaty-coming-soon/msg62739/#msg62739) was all i needed to know about Kennedy. He played his part in the Hegelian Dialectic. Whether he knew it or not.

What is there to address? His EO and speech are MEANINGLESS when the truth is he wanted to disarm the American people. FACT.

For all you know he was doing everything like he was told too, AND TPTB STILL KILLED HIM. We will never know. But we DO KNOW that he signed a Bill to disarm America, through the United Nations.

Politicians ARE NOT HEROES. Kennedy was a Politician, NOT a Statesman. A Demi-god. A cult of personality. Much like Obama.....

[FunnyMoney]

The United Nations act that you have provided makes an attempt to stand down the MILITARY arms, or decrease their strength. Correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't see anything that applied to individual protections (2nd amendment). The act seems right in line with the "no standing army" idea that the founders wanted for the nation.

[Tumbleweed]

This is a series of videos Bill Cooper did on the JFK assaination that I watched lastnight. It's more information to think about and it is interesting to see and compare to the already posted videos and info. He says it was the driver. The clearest video of JFK being shot is in video four and his explanation. The video Bigjon posted seems to debunk Bill Cooper saying the driver did it. In the videos leading up to that he explains the reasons for the assasinations.

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSHU4f4AU5I

part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxCk9ejfJR4&feature=related

part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coTZzzf-Hd8&feature=related

part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE2UMgDQ1_k&feature=related

part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w1C0Iwv69Y&feature=related

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

Jackie Kennedy didn't shoot JFK in a motorcade in front of thousands of eye witnesses. Just think for a moment, if a conspiracy had wifely assess to a man, why would they use a public event to spring the kill? JFK was a sick man generally anyway, why not just give him some exotic CIA poison by way of the wife-operative, and have him die of "natural" causes, or use her inside knowledge to arrange a kill when JFK is off screwing one of his legions of pleasure girls?

[JDRock]

kennedy was killesd by jews when he began printing real money.....this is not a conspiracy theory, you can still find these non frn's....just look at the cast of charachters, as well as cui- bono

parade route was re routed, BUT "convieniently" abraham zapruder ( you guessed it jew) happened to have a camera WAITING and set up at the ambush point :oo-->....oswald was then gunned down by jack " ruby" RUBENSTEIN :oo-->...i believe it was presidential order 1011 that did the end around on the federal reserve but i could be wrong here....yah it was the CUBANS :lol

[Awoke]

Thanks for posting that link, Serpo.

Good read.

http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK%20murder.htm

[Tumbleweed]

Awoke; Go to the link you just posted from Serpo and keep your eyes on the driver for the few seconds before JFK's head exploded. This is what Bill Cooper was pointing out in his videos. It is very clear on the video at the link Serpo posted. It clearly looks to me like the driver turned around in his seat and shot JFK with what appears to be a fourty-five. Jackie didn't do it.





Thanks for posting that link, Serpo.

Good read.

http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK%20murder.htm

[Awoke]

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[Awoke]

Man, I don't know WTF is going on, but I have tried to post a response about 9 or 10 times now, and the forum keeps locking up on me.

Anyways Tumbleweed, I have seen that video and studied it. Although it looks like a 1911, it is not. It is the glare of light off of the hair of the passenger. There was a detailed dissection of that film with a narrator who goes through frame by frame and shows that it was not the driver.
It's on this forum somewhere. I will try to find it for you.
Also, the direction of the explosion of flesh is upwards, consistent with a bullet exiting on an upward direction, as if he was shot under the jawline or somewhere in that area.




Now I will try to paste the meat of my initial response, but I will not include the quotes, because I think that is why the forum is locking up on me.

This is what I wanted to say:


After watching this loop about bunch of times, I noticed something else.

After the shot, just as she is starting to climb up onto the back of the car, it the jewess brings her left and right hand together, as if to pass something into her right hand. Right after that, sweeps her right hand across the V-neck of her sweater, and it almost looks as if she is dropping something down her shirt before she makes the climb out onto the boot of the car.

Watch it again a bunch of times. Really focus on her hands. The are extremely busy in the seconds after his head explodes.

(See the loop here in this post by General of Darkness) (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/hunt's-deathbed-confession-reveals-jfk-killers/msg157350/#msg157350)
(This image was the problem for me, locking up my posts, so I could not re-post the GIF image)


Also, everyone in the car flinches like a Motherf*cker, except for her. I watched a few more repititions, looking at her shoulders for any sign of pistol recoil, but I can't really see any recoil-telling body language.
But the more I watch it, the less she appears as a "concerned wife", and the more she appears as a calm, cool, collected killer.

Her hands are busy, that's for sure.

Add to that, the swearing in picture of Lyndon Johnson, with that douchebag winking at him, and Jackie looking composed only on hour after her husband had his brains blown out literally right beside her....


http://www.realityreviewed.com/Wink.jpg

Again, that link I mentioned above is a great on, IMO.

EDIT - I had to edit this post a number of times, due to some serious technical problems with pages not loading, etc, so there have been a few changes.

[Tumbleweed]

Awoke I've watched the video where it is said it was glare off of the passenger next to the driver. I believe it is in the video Bigjon posted earlier in this thread. I believe also Bill Cooper speaks of this in his videos and has said the Zapruder film has been modified.

Go to the link Serpo posted. Watch the video where there are two videos running at the same time, a large one and a small one. Keep your eyes on the small video and the driver. The small video appears to show something the larger one doesn't and that would be what Bill Cooper probably was talking about when he said the film had been modified.

[Awoke]

Tumbleweed, if you don't mind spoonfeeding me, which post number of Serpos in specific are you talking about?
I only ask because Youtube (and some other video sites) are blocked here, so there is a chance that we're not looking at the same thing.

If you could give me a post number, I would appreciate it. Then we'll be on the same page.
Thanks.

[Large Sarge]

Israel did it

just like 9/11

[Tumbleweed]

Awoke this is the link you posted from Serpos post #27 http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK%20murder.htm

If you scroll down just below where they show a picture of of the bullet hole in JFK's shirt there are two videos a small one first and then a larger one. The small one is the one to watch and keep your eyes on the driver.

Bigjon's post # 9 I believe is the one with the video where they talk about the glare on the passengers head.

I have to get moving. I think everyone should take a look at this and listen to what Bill Cooper has to say about it in the videos I posted in this thread.



Tumbleweed, if you don't mind spoonfeeding me, which post number of Serpos in specific are you talking about?
I only ask because Youtube (and some other video sites) are blocked here, so there is a chance that we're not looking at the same thing.

If you could give me a post number, I would appreciate it. Then we'll be on the same page.
Thanks.

[Tumbleweed]

Israel did it

just like 9/11




I agree. Those SOB'S

The Jews would probably like nothing better that to blame JFK's murder on Jackie for his indescretions.

[DMac]

Personally I think the Jackie did it CT and the driver did it CT are disinfo.

[Awoke]

Awoke this is the link you posted from Serpos post #27 http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK%20murder.htm

If you scroll down just below where they show a picture of of the bullet hole in JFK's shirt there are two videos a small one first and then a larger one. The small one is the one to watch and keep your eyes on the driver.

Bigjon's post # 9 I believe is the one with the video where they talk about the glare on the passengers head.

I have to get moving. I think everyone should take a look at this and listen to what Bill Cooper has to say about it in the videos I posted in this thread.



Tumbleweed, if you don't mind spoonfeeding me, which post number of Serpos in specific are you talking about?
I only ask because Youtube (and some other video sites) are blocked here, so there is a chance that we're not looking at the same thing.

If you could give me a post number, I would appreciate it. Then we'll be on the same page.
Thanks.



OK, well Big Jon's video in post number 9 is probably the same one that Big Jon showed in the previous thread on this topic. If my memory serves me correctly, the video accounts for both his hands the entire time.

What looks like his arm is actually the doorskin upper, and what looks like the pistol is actually the glare off the passengers head.

For a long time, I believed that the driver as a shooter was the truth, but now that I watched that video (that hopefully is the same one in post#9) I can see the optical illusion as plain as day.

For the record, I am not asserting that the jewess did the murder either. I'm just saying that it looks as if it is possible that she put a pistol to his neck and shot upwards, and I'm saying that her hands are performing a lot of motions in a short amount of time immediately after he is killed.

At this point I do not believe that the driver was the shooter.

[kregener]

I can't see how Jackie was the shooter. The trajectory looks forward and maybe 10 -15 degrees from vertical. Her left hand is not positioned right for this trajectory and her right hand is empty.

I'd still like to know what it is she throws at frame 326. You can see it land at 328. I think it's a piece of bone and was probably a reflex action. Does seem odd the guy running behind reaches over and pushes it back. Again it could be a reflex.


Flower buds coming off the bouquet in the front seat.

[sirgonzo420]

What do you all think about the History Channel's series "The Men Who Killed Kennedy"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAynJWVCO9Q

[Awoke]

I haven't seen it, Gonzo, but I'm sure it's kosher, whatever it is.

[sirgonzo420]

I haven't seen it, Gonzo, but I'm sure it's kosher, whatever it is.


I would have thought so too, but I caught a few segments of it and was surprised.

The last three parts caused quite an uproar... enough to cause History Channel to quit running the series.

They still sell the series on DVDs.... but WITHOUT the last three episodes.


Here's a synopsis of the missing episodes:


Episode 7 - The Smoking Guns

Summary: This segment examines Secret Service security of motorcade, the ordered stand-down of some Secret Service agents, the decision not to have police motorcycle outriders alongside the presidential limo, wounds to JFK body, damage to limousine, forgery of photographic evidence from JFK autopsy, lack of proper autopsy and evidence preservation procedures, and physical alterations to JFK's corpse within 24 hours of death.

On camera

* Connie Kritzberg, reporter in Dallas in 1963, interviewed doctors about JFK wounds;
* Dr. Charles Crenshaw, Parkland Hospital, surgeon who worked on JFK in ER;
* Vince Palamara, researcher;
* Prof. James Fetzer, researcher;
* Dr. Robert Livingstone, told Dr. Humes about entrance wound in throat before autopsy;
* Dr. Evalea Glanges, saw bullet hole from the front in windshield of JFK limousine;
* Doug Weldon, Professor of Criminal Justice, expert on JFK limousine;
* Dr. David Mantik, photographic forgery of JFK autopsy photos;
* Joe O'Donnell, photographer in JFK White House;
* Dr. Gary Aguilar;
* G. Robert Blakey, Chief Counsel and Staff Director of HSCA;
* Charles Smith, mortician;
* Lois, John Liggett's former wife;
* Debra Godwin, John Liggett's step-daughter.

Subjects or people referenced

* ARRB, JFK Assassination Records Review Board;
* Henry Roberts, Secret Service Agent in car behind JFK;
* JFK motorcade security in Dallas, Nov. 22, 1963;
* U.S. Secret Service destroys their records of Nov. 22 motorcade;
* Wounds to JFK body;
* press conference at Parkland Hospital;
* Dallas Times Herald;
* Dr. Kemp Clark, Parkland Hospital, gaping wound in the back of the head;
* Dr. Malcolm Perry, Parkland Hospital, entrance wound in front of throat;
* FBI censored and edited news reports from Dallas about JFK assassination;
* Secret Service removed limousine before any examination by Dallas police;
* Bullet hole in windshield observed in Dallas and at White House;
* Ford Motor Company replaced damaged windshield in late Nov. 1963;
* Charles Taylor, Jr. Secret Service, described hole in windshield;
* George Whittaker, Sr., manager at Ford Plant, Rouge, Michigan;
* JFK autopsy photos disputed by Parkland doctors;
* Robert Knudsen, photographer in White House;
* Secret Service controlled autopsy photos;
* HSCA, House Select Committee on Assassinations;
* John Liggett, mortician and embalmer in Dallas;
* Restland Funeral Home, Dallas, Texas;
* Malcolm Liggett, John Liggett's brother;
* David Ferrie visits John Liggett after JFK assassination;
* body tampering;
* 1974 Liggett arrested for attempted murder;
* Dorothy Peck survived John Liggett murder attempt;
* Iris Campbell, friend of Lois;
* Photo of John and Malcolm Liggett with Jack Ruby[8]

Episode 8 - The Love Affair

Summary: Judyth Vary Baker tells the details of her relationship with Lee Harvey Oswald from April to November 1963. She claims they met in New Orleans while she was working on a secret, fast-growing cancer that was intended to be used to kill Fidel Castro, and that this bioweapon was tested on unwitting prisoners in Louisiana, and that it worked. Oswald tried to deliver the substance to a contact in Mexico City, who would forward it to Cuba, but the contact doesn't show up. He then tried to get a visa to Cuba himself at the Soviet and Cuban Embassies, but was unsuccessful. Oswald is then assigned to a new project in Dallas. She claims Oswald told her he was involved in a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy, but that he was only pretending to support it, and he was hoping he could somehow stop it. In their last phone conversation, just before the assassination, Oswald gave her names of people who are somehow involved - two are business associates of Lyndon Johnson and one is a high-ranking CIA official. Oswald predicted he would probably die the next day. He told her that at the very least, there would be one less person shooting at the President.

On camera

* Judyth Vary Baker;
* Baker's sister

Subjects or people referenced

* Lee Harvey Oswald;
* Dr. Mary Sherman;
* David Ferrie;
* David Lewis;
* Guy Banister;
* Clay Shaw;
* Angola Prison and the use of prisoners from Angola at the Jackson hospital;
* Clinton, Louisiana;
* Jackson, Louisiana and the Southeast Louisiana Mental Hospital at Jackson;
* Reily Coffee Company;
* Dr. Alton Ochsner, Sr.;
* Baker's husband, Robert

Episode 9 - The Guilty Men

Summary: Barr McClellan, author of Blood, Money & Power: How LBJ Killed JFK; accuses LBJ of being behind the JFK assassination. Implicates others of fore-knowledge of the plot, including Texas Oilmen Clint Murchison and H.L. Hunt, and FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover. Mystery fingerprint found on sixth floor of the School Book Depository matches prints of Johnson aide taken in connection with a prior murder conviction.

On camera

* Barr McClellan, an attorney who worked at a firm with LBJ's personal attorneys;
* Ed Tatro, researcher;
* Madeline Brown, LBJ's longtime girlfriend;
* Glen Samples, researcher;
* Don Marshall, Henry Marshall's son;
* Gregory Burnham, researcher;
* May Newman, employee of Murchison family;
* Dr. Charles Crenshaw, doctor at Parkland Hospital ER, worked on Kennedy and Oswald in emergency rooms;
* Phyllis Bartlett, Parkland switchboard operator;
* Walt Brown, researcher;
* Nathan Darby, finger print expert.

Subjects or people referenced

* Billie Sol Estes, business associate of LBJ;
* Bobby Baker, Secretary to U.S. Senate and business associate of LBJ;
* Box 13, 1948 election in Texas;
* Cliff Carter, aide to LBJ;
* Clint Murchison, wealthy Texas oil man;
* D.H. Byrd, owned Texas School Book Despository where Lee worked;
* Don Thomas, business attorney for LBJ during his Presidency;
* Douglas Kinser, golf pro murdered in 1951, affair with LBJ sister;
* Edward Clark, political boss of Texas, attorney for LBJ fingerprint on cardboard box near window of 6th floor of TSBD;
* Henry Marshall, investigated LBJ corruption, murdered;
* Henry Wade;
* Ms. Hollman, cook at Murchison house;
* Hotel del Charro, La Jolla, CA;
* J. Edgar Hoover, Director of FBI;
* Jules Pfieffer, chauffeur for Murchison;
* JFK = John F. Kennedy;
* John Coates;
* John Connally, Governor of Texas, invited JFK to Texas;
* LBJ = Lyndon Baines Johnson;
* LBJ psychiatrist;
* Malcolm Wallace, henchman for LBJ, convicted murderer, fingerprint on box in TSBD (sniper's nest);
* Oil Depletion Allowance;
* Richard Nixon, former VP in 1963, at Murchison House on Nov. 21, 1963;
* Steven Brown, son of Madeline Brown and love-child of LBJ;
* Vietnam;
* Virginia Murchison;
* Waggoner Carr, Attorney General of Texas in 1963;
* Will Fritz, Chief of Homicide Dallas Police Dept.

[Large Sarge]

vanunu spilled the beans recently

"Israel killed JFK"

http://www.rense.com/general92/vanurfk.htm

[Bigjon]

Jackie Kennedy didn't shoot JFK in a motorcade in front of thousands of eye witnesses. Just think for a moment, if a conspiracy had wifely assess to a man, why would they use a public event to spring the kill? JFK was a sick man generally anyway, why not just give him some exotic CIA poison by way of the wife-operative, and have him die of "natural" causes, or use her inside knowledge to arrange a kill when JFK is off screwing one of his legions of pleasure girls?



The route of the motorcade was changed at the last moment, but there were some people who knew where to be, like Abraham Zapruder (Jew) and in his video you can clearly see hardly any people on the other side except for two obvious agents also filming the "big event".
Nobody here except for a few lucky bystanders (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059559838&postcount=186)

Jackie did it and the trajectory of the bullet proves it.
Here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059563869&postcount=190)

And beside we have already seen how the story is what the Jews say it is, you know, witness testimony is SOOO unreliable as to be worthless, unless it corroborates "the story".

As to why out in public, well we can see by how this has worked out for them, with their control of the media, the investigators, and number uno the "big story". How many years is it now?

[Book]

vanunu spilled the beans recently

"Israel killed JFK"

http://www.rense.com/general92/vanurfk.htm



That's my guess.

:)

[Awoke]

vanunu spilled the beans recently

"Israel killed JFK"

http://www.rense.com/general92/vanurfk.htm


That article is dated 2004...

???

[Bigjon]

A couple more points about who done it... there is smoke clearly visible on the left side of Kennedy's head at the moment of the fatal shot and there is NO SMOKE up by the driver.

In the moments leading up to the shot Jackie's behavior is very strange, as she puts her hands on Kennedy and leans in close she should be looking at her distressed husband, but no she is looking at Connelly as if she is waiting for a signal from Connelly, Connelly in turn appears to be looking at the camera for the right moment.

[Bigjon]

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jk_o_GIFSoupcom.gif

Have a look at the killer.

[Serpo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-_06iHdM3A&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSQdnAcCbXI&feature=player_embedded

[Tumbleweed]

Bigjon it looks to me like Jackie grabbed JFK's left forearm with her left hand and pressed it against his chest. She threw it away after his head exploded and tried to get out of there.

You have to watch the smaller of the two videos I pointed out to Awoke to see her take his forearm.




A couple more points about who done it... there is smoke clearly visible on the left side of Kennedy's head at the moment of the fatal shot and there is NO SMOKE up by the driver.

In the moments leading up to the shot Jackie's behavior is very strange, as she puts her hands on Kennedy and leans in close she should be looking at her distressed husband, but no she is looking at Connelly as if she is waiting for a signal from Connelly, Connelly in turn appears to be looking at the camera for the right moment.

[Serpo]

Bigjon it looks to me like Jackie grabbed JFK's left forearm with her left hand and pressed it against his chest. She threw it away after his head exploded and tried to get out of there.

You have to watch the smaller of the two videos I pointed out to Awoke to see her take his forearm.




A couple more points about who done it... there is smoke clearly visible on the left side of Kennedy's head at the moment of the fatal shot and there is NO SMOKE up by the driver.

In the moments leading up to the shot Jackie's behavior is very strange, as she puts her hands on Kennedy and leans in close she should be looking at her distressed husband, but no she is looking at Connelly as if she is waiting for a signal from Connelly, Connelly in turn appears to be looking at the camera for the right moment.



Lets face it there where a number of shooters and Jackie maybe one of them

[Tumbleweed]

Serpo it looks clear to me she grabbed his left forearm when he slumped forward in the smaller of the two videos below the photo of his shirt with the bullet hole in it at this link. http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK%20murder.htm

When he slumps forward you can see his left arm and hand come up, Jackie takes ahold of his forearm with her left hand and presses it to his chest it appears to me to keep him from going further forward. When his head explodes his right arm flops up and Jackie releases his left forearm and tries to get away from him. I don't believe she had anything to do with his murder. I also believe there were multiple shooters.

As for the puff of what looks like smoke I think it could be a fine spray of moisture or steam from his head. I've had to put down a lot of animals over the years. I've blown chunks of skull and brains off with high powered cartridges. It seems to me if I remember correctly their can be a little spray or steam maybe from the bullet which is hotter than hell when it is fired and hits something.

[solid]

I've blown chunks of skull and brains off with high powered cartridges. It seems to me if I remember correctly their can be a little spray or steam maybe from the bullet which is hotter than hell when it is fired and hits something.


To me, it looks like a high powered cartridge from the damage to the head. Very high velocity, at least. I don't think a pistol round could inflict that kind of damage to the skull. No rifles in the car, there was another shooter, imo.

[midnight rambler]

This notion that Jackie Kennedy had any part of the public assassination of her husband and the father of her children is the most asinine thing I've ever heard of in my entire life. Get a fukking grip.

[Tumbleweed]

I've blown chunks of skull and brains off with high powered cartridges. It seems to me if I remember correctly their can be a little spray or steam maybe from the bullet which is hotter than hell when it is fired and hits something.


To me, it looks like a high powered cartridge from the damage to the head. Very high velocity, at least. I don't think a pistol round could inflict that kind of damage to the skull. No rifles in the car, there was another shooter, imo.


I've used a .44 magnun revolver with 240 grain bullets and they will blow a chunk off depending on how thick the skull is and how they are hit.

[solid]

I've used a .44 magnun revolver with 240 grain bullets and they will blow a chunk off depending on how thick the skull is and how they are hit.


I don't doubt it, that's a high velocity round. But from that video, where's the recoil? From anyone in that car, nobody shows any slight chance of handling a gun of that size and round, and be able to hide the recoil. It would be impossible for Jackie too, from her position, to keep it concealed.

And, why would they? When a hidden .32 or small cal would do the job just fine at such short range.

If the killer was in the car, it would be a small cal pistol, with little recoil, that could be shot easily from multiple positions.

[Tumbleweed]

In Bill coopers videos he shows a specialy made pneumatic pistol that can shoot darts with hypodermic needles or pellets I believe. They were working on a delivery system for shell fish poison. If the driver did fire a pistol at JfK it could have been one of those. That could also explain the puff of steam or smoke. I believe there were multiple shooters.

[woodman]

It has always looked to me like he was already shot or injured before Jackie turns to him. You can see his head nod down like he is injured. I also believe multiple shooters. They wanted him dead and no mistake! Definitely hit from his right front as you can see his head move back and to the left from the momentum.

[solid]

Definitely hit from his right front as you can see his head move back and to the left from the momentum.


Interesting, to me it looks like he was hit from behind. The right front appears to be an exit wound. I think there was multiple shooters as well.

[Ponce]

Kind of funny but they try to blame me and the group that I was with at NO NAME KEY, just of Big Pine Key in Key West.........lucky for me I was back in the army and in Korea, they did take me in to question me about my group.........but.......me no peachi inglis.....hahahahahahahah.........only two of us are left alive now.

They gave us the day off on that date and I went to the barber shop......a black SGT was talking crap about the big white boy and a private walked up to him and nocked him flat on his azz...........a freaking E-4 that didn't like me said that it was a Cuban that killed JFK, I walked up to hime and looked him strait in the eyes and asked him to say it again, he didn't........lucky for me, the guy was a big one..........what can I say?, I am a lover and not a fighter hahahahahahahaha.

[sirgonzo420]

Kind of funny but they try to blame me and the group that I was with at NO NAME KEY, just of Big Pine Key in Key West.........lucky for me I was back in the army and in Korea, they did take me in to question me about my group.........but.......me no peachi inglis.....hahahahahahahah.........only two of us are left alive now.

They gave us the day off on that date and I went to the barber shop......a black SGT was talking crap about the big white boy and a private walked up to him and nocked him flat on his azz...........a freaking E-4 that didn't like me said that it was a Cuban that killed JFK, I walked up to hime and looked him strait in the eyes and asked him to say it again, he didn't........lucky for me, the guy was a big one..........what can I say?, I am a lover and not a fighter hahahahahahahaha.


Ponce, you should really post a thread of your stories.

I remember reading some years ago on GIM, but this is GSUS, and your stories would be very much enjoyed here!

[woodman]

Kind of funny but they try to blame me and the group that I was with at NO NAME KEY, just of Big Pine Key in Key West.........lucky for me I was back in the army and in Korea, they did take me in to question me about my group.........but.......me no peachi inglis.....hahahahahahahah.........only two of us are left alive now.

They gave us the day off on that date and I went to the barber shop......a black SGT was talking crap about the big white boy and a private walked up to him and nocked him flat on his azz...........a freaking E-4 that didn't like me said that it was a Cuban that killed JFK, I walked up to hime and looked him strait in the eyes and asked him to say it again, he didn't........lucky for me, the guy was a big one..........what can I say?, I am a lover and not a fighter hahahahahahahaha.


Ponce, you should really post a thread of your stories.

I remember reading some years ago on GIM, but this is GSUS, and your stories would be very much enjoyed here!


I agree. Sounds like you've had an interesting life.

[Bigjon]

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/harrisfakeegifnormal.gif

The bullet flying up and forward says where the shot came from... Jackie did it.

[solid]

The bullet flying up and forward says where the shot came from... Jackie did it.


Her right elbow and arm are visible when the shot hit JFK. No recoil, not a flinch at all.

[midnight rambler]

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/harrisfakeegifnormal.gif

The bullet flying up and forward says where the shot came from... Jackie did it.


How moronic. Without question this is absolute disinfo.

[Bigjon]

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/harrisfakeegifnormal.gif

The bullet flying up and forward says where the shot came from... Jackie did it.


How moronic. Without question this is absolute disinfo.


Ridicule means you are afraid to take an honest look at real evidence.
Ridicule means you have nothing worth saying.

[Bigjon]

The bullet flying up and forward says where the shot came from... Jackie did it.


Her right elbow and arm are visible when the shot hit JFK. No recoil, not a flinch at all.


Which is consistent with a small caliber weapon with just enough powder to blow him to hell. Notice how Jackie doesn't even flinch, while everyone else is ducking.

[Bigjon]

Boy the Jackie the Jew defenders are really coming out of the woodwork here.

[solid]

Which is consistent with a small caliber weapon with just enough powder to blow him to hell. Notice how Jackie doesn't even flinch, while everyone else is ducking.


A small cal weapon is not going to cause that damage though, that's the whole point. To cause an exit wound like that, takes a high velocity round. In which case, we'd see some reaction from her from the recoil.

Either way, she couldn't have pulled that off. It doesn't add up. There has to be another shooter.

[Bigjon]

Which is consistent with a small caliber weapon with just enough powder to blow him to hell. Notice how Jackie doesn't even flinch, while everyone else is ducking.


A small cal weapon is not going to cause that damage though, that's the whole point. To cause an exit wound like that, takes a high velocity round. In which case, we'd see some reaction from her from the recoil.

Either way, she couldn't have pulled that off. It doesn't add up. There has to be another shooter.


I don't see how you can make that claim, if the bullet came from underneath his head it wouldn't encounter any significant resistance until it exited his right front skull.

[solid]

I don't see how you can make that claim, if the bullet came from underneath his head it wouldn't encounter any significant resistance until it exited his right front skull.


A huge chunk of his skull blasts out.

I'm not making any claim, I am just pointing out my observations. It's physics man. Ask yourself, what round could frail Jackie shoot without even a flinch? A 22,cal, maybe?

Ask yourself, what round could cause that huge chunk of JFK's skull to go flying out?

At least we agree it exited his right front skull. There's no fucking way she could have made that shot unnoticed, period.

[Bigjon]

I don't see how you can make that claim, if the bullet came from underneath his head it wouldn't encounter any significant resistance until it exited his right front skull.


A huge chunk of his skull blasts out.

I'm not making any claim, I am just pointing out my observations. It's physics man. Ask yourself, what round could frail Jackie shoot without even a flinch? A 22,cal, maybe?

Ask yourself, what round could cause that huge chunk of JFK's skull to go flying out?

At least we agree it exited his right front skull. There's no f*cking way she could have made that shot unnoticed, period.


Less powder less recoil, simple physics.

Frail Jackie???

Well there is this site here:
http://realityreviewed.com/JFK%20murder.htm


"The .41 rimfire cartridge was created for use in small Derringer type pistols. The .41 rimfire round was very slow, 13 grains of black powder propelling a 130 grain lead bullet at 425 feet per second, yielding a muzzle energy of 52 ft lb." (Cushman). This would be more than capable of taking part of President Kennedy's skull off, as Mrs. Kennedy implies.

If the leading projectile captured in frames 313 and 314 of Zapruder's cine film was indeed the bullet from a .41 calibre rimfire cartridge, then its analysed speed of at least 104-119 ft/s is commensurate with an accelerated lump of lead that has lost kinetic energy during its passage through human tissue, and in particular in breaking through the top of the skull.

[Book]

http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/06/no_sale_351.jpg

[Bigjon]

http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/06/no_sale_351.jpg


You are the only one who is selling something, with no evidence to back it up.

More ridicule, more of the nothing to say crowd of the Jackie the Jewess defenders.

[Book]

...Jackie did it.



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[FunnyMoney]

I agree with solid. And thank you for the video on page 2, Bigjon. The video on page 2 is slam dunk that JFK was already hit prior to the second shot to the top of his head. Also, if you watch those first few seconds you can tell that Jackie looks very suprised and appears to be shocked and concerned about what just suddenly took place to his neck, which is just prior to the next blast to his skull which then has her nearly running for her own life over the back of the car.

At this point I think all the talk about who did it is very moot. Just as I've said many times about how the distractions that revolve around the "who" are all a tactic to get people to switch focus away from the "why" and ultimately the "how" mechanisms.

No war has been won ever with a focus on the "who". There's always another "who" standing in wait. The point is that the money mechanisms is why JFK was shot. He tried to take down the corrupt system. He went after the system which protects the secret societies. A strategy which in the end would have left the controllers of the money without the defenses to protect themselves. The only way to eventually get to the "who" is to first take down the absolute power system which protects them and corrupts everything. 11110 is why he was taken out, as I said on page one in a very long explanation. Without taking down the dishonest monetary systems there is no way to ever take down those who currently control it and profit from it.

[Bigjon]

I still say that her behavior is very strange. If I were riding in an open car and shots were coming my way I would be looking very closely at the weave of the floorboard carpeting. But not Jackie she seems unconcerned about protecting herself or her husband. Jack looks to be incapacitated in a way that he is defenseless and Jackie is keeping him upright in an exposed position.

Why is that?

I think it is because she knows where the next shot is coming from...

[Bigjon]

I agree with solid. And thank you for the video on page 2, Bigjon. The video on page 2 is slam dunk that JFK was already hit prior to the second shot to the top of his head. Also, if you watch those first few seconds you can tell that Jackie looks very suprised and appears to be shocked and concerned about what just suddenly took place to his neck, which is just prior to the next blast to his skull which then has her nearly running for her own life over the back of the car.

At this point I think all the talk about who did it is very moot. Just as I've said many times about how the distractions that revolve around the "who" are all a tactic to get people to switch focus away from the "why" and ultimately the "how" mechanisms.

No war has been won ever with a focus on the "who". There's always another "who" standing in wait. The point is that the money mechanisms is why JFK was shot. He tried to take down the corrupt system. He went after the system which protects the secret societies. A strategy which in the end would have left the controllers of the money without the defenses to protect themselves. The only way to eventually get to the "who" is to first take down the absolute power system which protects them and corrupts everything. 11110 is why he was taken out, as I said on page one in a very long explanation. Without taking down the dishonest monetary systems there is no way to ever take down those who currently control it and profit from it.


I think the Jews are done using the Fed and are ready to sell it back to the suckers called the US Citizens. With all liabilities and no assets.

[Serpo]

...Jackie did it.



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We do know who did it ,

why the photos and film posted earlier show a shooter on the grassy knoll .

Whether Jackie was part of anything is unknown except for what people may think.

[Tumbleweed]

Bigjon take a look at this video again. At 259 in the video you can see Jackie take JFK's left forearm in her left had and press it to his chest. she didn't have a gun




http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jk_o_GIFSoupcom.gif

Have a look at the killer.

[woodman]

The point is that the money mechanisms is why JFK was shot. He tried to take down the corrupt system. He went after the system which protects the secret societies. A strategy which in the end would have left the controllers of the money without the defenses to protect themselves. 11110 is why he was taken out, as I said on page one in a very long explanation. Without taking down the dishonest monetary systems there is no way to ever take down those who currently control it and profit from it.


I believe this too. He was going for their jugular vein and they killed him immediately and with great prejudice.

[Bigjon]

Bigjon take a look at this video again. At 259 in the video you can see Jackie take JFK's left forearm in her left had and press it to his chest. she didn't have a gun




http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jk_o_GIFSoupcom.gif

Have a look at the killer.




At the moment of the shot no one can see either of her hands or what is in them. This movie has frames that are missing both before and after the big event. It also has useful obstructions just before the moment of the crime, but the track of the spent bullet remains in the frames and leads to an analysis of where the fatal shot came from. The amount of blood on Kennedy's shirt says entrance on the left side, the film says exit through the right front top side. The bullet is speeding on an upwards trajectory towards the grassy knoll.

And MOST importantly there is smoke at the left side of Kennedy's head and the motion of the car carries it away... GUNSMOKE.

[Awoke]

This notion that Jackie Kennedy had any part of the public assassination of her husband and the father of her children is the most asinine thing I've ever heard of in my entire life. Get a fukking grip.



I disagree. MKUltra is a force to be reckoned with, as is crypto-jewry.









I've used a .44 magnun revolver with 240 grain bullets and they will blow a chunk off depending on how thick the skull is and how they are hit.


I don't doubt it, that's a high velocity round. But from that video, where's the recoil? From anyone in that car, nobody shows any slight chance of handling a gun of that size and round, and be able to hide the recoil. It would be impossible for Jackie too, from her position, to keep it concealed.

And, why would they? When a hidden .32 or small cal would do the job just fine at such short range.

If the killer was in the car, it would be a small cal pistol, with little recoil, that could be shot easily from multiple positions.




I'm guessing you haven't clicked on that link that I was discussing above, and read the breakdown that shows how low of a velocity exit wound that was. Also, the projectile exits on an upward angle, which is IMO impossible to attain by shooting from outside of the car.

Only by shooting under the jawline/chin on an upward angle is an exitwound like that possible, again, IMO.