Jesse Ventura on the Pentagon hit

[EE_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrZ14NRbT-s&feature=player_embedded#!

[FunnyMoney]

Sept. 11, 2001 - The day when the laws of physics didn't apply.

[Kali]

I heard they hired David Copperfield to make the plane disappear...save us tax payers millions on clean up costs.

[PatColo]

another thread:
Conspiracy Theory with Gov. Jesse Ventura- 911 Pentagon Attack (Full Episode) (http://gold-silver.us/forum/911-28/conspiracy-theory-with-gov-jesse-ventura-911-pentagon-attack-(full-episode)/)

I posted that in the "911 subforum" around 36 hours ago, it currently has 60 reads & 7 replies, 4 of them my replies.

This present thread is in posted in GD, around 4 hours ago, and it's already got 45 reads & 2 replies, 3 including this one.

Its like I lamented recently in another thread,




It's sad but true about GSUS: if you post a thread in the proper subcategory, rather than GD, it magically sees many fewer eyeballs & doesn't spark discussion accordingly. I guess some users just hang out in the GD directory only. Does everyone know about the

Show unread posts since last visit. (http://gold-silver.us/forum/unread/)
Show new replies to your posts. (http://gold-silver.us/forum/unreadreplies/)

links at the top? Unread posts is your friend- it produces a cross-subcategory listing of all the most recent posts... "new replies" shows all threads which you've posted a reply in, if they've been updated since you last opened them. Both those links are invaluable! I have both bookmarked with quicklinks near the top of my browser, so I can click them anytime without having to page up to the top of a given GSUS page to access them.



Not griping, as I'd like this Ventura/Pentagon episode to get wide exposure, just lamenting "GSUS Reality"... post anywhere but GD, it may as well be posted in Timbuktu.

[Book]

...just lamenting "GSUS Reality"... post anywhere but GD, it may as well be posted in Timbuktu.



Shouldn't this thread be moved to the GSUS MEMBER COMPLAINT sub-section of BOARD COMMUNICATIONS?

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[FunnyMoney]

another thread:
Conspiracy Theory with Gov. Jesse Ventura- 911 Pentagon Attack (Full Episode) (http://gold-silver.us/forum/911-28/conspiracy-theory-with-gov-jesse-ventura-911-pentagon-attack-(full-episode)/)

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Not griping, as I'd like this Ventura/Pentagon episode to get wide exposure, just lamenting "GSUS Reality"... post anywhere but GD, it may as well be posted in Timbuktu.



This is a small time forum, at any given time there's at most only a few dozen viewers. Sometimes much less. People gravitate to GD because they're looking for a discussion which brings in as many members as possible and also get views and opinions from visitors (who might become members).

You're basically "preaching to the choir" over there at that sub-forum, so the impact is less significant. I mean, after all, if you've shown that the laws of physics were broken once, is it really required to show that they were broken 3, five or fourteen times on that day? The proof is pretty much overwhelming. You either have to be an idiot or ignorant to believe the govt story - but like they say, "ignorance is bliss."

[Serpo]

TRUTH GOING MAINSTREAM

[Glass]

I check out the unread posts as my first stop. I notice it doesn't always show up new threads or posts. Mostly it does but not always. Still I'll check it out.

[PatColo]

I kind of see what you're saying FunnyMoney-- threads not in GD will certainly see less unregistered/lurker eyes, as they're likely to open and browse GD and unlikely to browse the other 36 subforums (incl. "child boards").

But if they're unregistered/lurkers, they can't reply anyways, and they don't have the
Show unread posts since last visit. (http://gold-silver.us/forum/unread/)
Show new replies to your posts. (http://gold-silver.us/forum/unreadreplies/)
search functions available to them anyways (they'll lead to a log-on prompt page). But I naively expected that registered, active users used those functions, so that posts on "obscure subforums" would at least appear on their radars same as if they were in GD. It obviously aint so... and I can only guess that many active users don't know about and/or use those search functions?

As to "preaching to the choir" in a given subforum, take religion/philosophy, numismatics, CTs, gardening, etc etc; threads in these subforums should inform & share, with the assumption that they'll be of news/value to readers, even aficionados of the subject. Subforums are a good idea for obvious reasons, but it's just unfortunate that to actually post something in them, the post is likely to fly beneath most radars of users you'd like to reach and spark discussion from... again, just lamenting, don't have any quick answers- except maybe ensuring that active users are aware of those 2 invaluable search functions-- they're pretty inconspicuous there at the top of the page.


ALL THAT SAID, as to the Ventura/pentagon episode, the notable aspect IMHO is that the pentagon question has become a very divisive issue between the honest 911 Truthers, and the fake 911 truther/gatekeepers, the latter of whom have waged a "united campaign" to pretend that a 757 really did fly into the pentagon-- bullying those who don't buy it into either buying it anyways, or keeping quiet so not to "hurt the movement". To dig deeper into that issue, check the thread I pointed to:

Conspiracy Theory with Gov. Jesse Ventura- 911 Pentagon Attack (Full Episode) (http://gold-silver.us/forum/911-28/conspiracy-theory-with-gov-jesse-ventura-911-pentagon-attack-(full-episode)/)

which a few times links to this other important 911/Pentagon thread (also in one of those subforum dungeons!),

Citizen Investigation Team: National Security Alert (http://gold-silver.us/forum/conspiracy-theories/citizen-investigation-team-national-security-alert/msg71022/#msg71022)

Thing is, Ventura's pentagon episode came down squarely on the side of the honest Truthers, who see overwhelming evidence that something happened at the pentagon on 911 other than a 757 flying into it! So Ventura, and this episode, are on the "disfavorable list" over at 911blogger, where they've relegated their entry about this episode to the "blogs" page rather than their main news page, to try to stifle its dissemination. 911blogger used to be a good site, and is still probably the leading site daily-traffic wise, but it became obvious 2-3 years ago that their management had been co-opted by the dark side, and they've since morphed into a "controlled truth" site.

"911Blogger.com" Accused: Is Leading 9/11 Truth Site Working For The Other Side? (http://gold-silver.us/forum/conspiracy-theories/citizen-investigation-team-national-security-alert/msg132271/#msg132271)

[Serpo]

Some posts deserve to be in both forums.
It aint going to last long here at GD but will have lasting impact on 9/11 forum

[FunnyMoney]

I agree completely with you about the "controlled truth" sites, Pat. Actually everything that escapes into the mainstream source or gets big enough attention takes on some element of distraction, division or minimalization.


For example, did you notice the music on the Ventura video, and also, what about the way they repeat the nonesense sound bites over and over like they're a "truth" version of some "what's the latest hollywood gossip" show?

Those techniques are designed to instantly turn off the more educated and scientific minded viewer. I mean, who wants to wade through a bunch of "impact entertainment" to get at 10 minutes of facts? If you took out all the repeated stuff, the video flopping back and forth, and the non-informational impact type stuff you're really only left with a 10-15 min. documentary.

So in a way, the only way to get the real truth and all of it in a reasonable amount of time is to stay on the small forums like we have here and focus on the anonymous players who will create a summary and weed through the distractions.

The same can be seen in Ron Paul to Alex Jones to Max Kaiser to Gerald Celente - there has to be at least something that can foster a side-debate about the presenter of the information. If there isn't then TPTB will shut the information down very quickly if it looks like it's gathering momentum or a large audience and is able to stay on topic, on the point of the presentation without regard as to who is presenting it.


For the Pentagon on 9/11, I still think that tower #7 is a more important smoking gun due to the several laws of physics which indicate that CD is the only way. The file is just too much evidence to ignore. But that said, the main points about the Pentagon are very much the same. The stongest is the film evidence of a lack of plane parts. A strike into the building at ground level would have left a whole lot of plane parts laying around, especially the wings and tail section. Next is the damage to the pentagon building is nothing like what a plane would cause. Then you have the required speed of the plane (well over 500 mph) to conform to the govt story. The best pilot in the world would have trouble (if it's even possible) guiding the plane on that course at that speed, heavy with fuel - let alone a novice with no jet experience. And then why didn't they release any of the extensive films of the area? The world already saw the other planes hit buildings, they have no reason to not release the footage other than the fact that it will show a missle or a bomb and not a plane.

Not all of those points defy the laws of physics, but some of them do, and the others are just as powerful in terms of evidence.

[FunnyMoney]

The evidence is so overwhelming that after 10 years I simply can't believe that this story is NOT the biggest story around the entire world. The deception is that huge.

Building #7 is absolutely amazing. How do the upper 48 stories of steel crush into each other at free fall speed just because of some damage on the first floor? That single law of physics is so outrageous that I simply can't understand how the physics departments of universities around the world can honestly look themselves in the mirror anymore. Somehow people want to believe that a fire on the first floor (which can't even be seen) melts sold steel beams all the way up the other 48 floors! I have yet to meet an engineer or a scientist who can defend any scenario other than controlled demolition in a credible way.

It's like taking a chain saw to slice out the bottom section of a tree and then the rest of the tree suddenly implodes down into itself at free-fall speed turning into a pile of wood chips and saw dust. This is what they want us to believe and the world is just sitting there accepting it. Educational institutions around the globe should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

[PatColo]

I'm surely critical of the "tabloid news show" style/tone of JV's show-- and this is where we get into the problem of having splintered threads about the same topic, but I remarked on the tabloid style thing repeatedly over at Conspiracy Theory with Gov. Jesse Ventura- 911 Pentagon Attack (Full Episode) (http://gold-silver.us/forum/911-28/conspiracy-theory-with-gov-jesse-ventura-911-pentagon-attack-(full-episode)/) (no worries for not seeing it though, "I understand"...). ;)

Come on, the fake/staged "board meetings" with JV and his "ambitious young pretend-investigators", copied straight from the Trumpster's former show; the AJ appearances in the show, again conspicuously staged, where JV & AJ pretend to meet up in some hidden/spooky place, speaking in "hushed tones" to share forbidden seekrits; and of course the hokey suspense music overlaying the whole episode. If at least for the youtube versions of JV's episodes, they'd strip out all the lengthy "Coming up next!..." teases, they'd do us a great service, and shave perhaps 15-20 mins of puffery off the youtube versions! :D

Anyways here's a pentagon documentary by a couple of upstart researchers, which really made waves in 911/pentagon research, and sparked a "bloodless purge" of sorts among once "911 truth leader/activists", as a cabal of deep-cover fakes mobilized in a campaign to marginalize/ridicule this film as well as any notion that a 757 didn't fly into the pentagon. This cabal of fakes conducted this campaign so sloppily & transparently with their fallacious & circular "arguments", and their conspicuous employment of the Rules of Disinformation (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050116064744556), that they simply insulted the intelligence of all the honest Truthers they were trying to "steer", and blew the "deep cover" of everyone in their cabal who participated in their truth-containment campaign.

"National Security Alert" from Citizen Investigation Team (http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/nsa.html) (video inside- 81 mins)

I just noticed they have this 12 min interview with researcher/video-maker Craig Ranke, conducted 10/10/10, where they brief what the video is about, and also discuss the campaign to discredit them and their research/video,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMvxd8HV54w

[PatColo]

New Pentagon videos from FOIA release (http://911blogger.com/news/2010-12-22/new-pentagon-videos-foia-release#comments)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g_nKhoexHk&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pKs_h3yfBU&feature=player_embedded

[Nitz]

PatColo,

I just had a conversation with someone that said they found the Ventura show interesting(they are not deep into the issue at all)...and specifically said that JV said in the episode that all 4 blackboxes were not recovered? I was under the assumption that they did find them...hence things like the info discussed by pilots for 911 truth of the data recorder. Can you clear this up, is there mis/disinfo out there regarding the flight recorders,black boxes?

Thanks!

[hoarder]

That video is so ridiculously over-dramatic that I couldn't bear to watch more than the first 25% of it.

Methinks the viewer is encouraged to associate conspiracy theories with egotistical wrestlers.

[RJB]

With all due respect Pat (you really opened my eyes), but 99% of Americans aren't listening to yours (or anyone else's) logic. Remember, TPTB sold 911 with tabloid journalism...


I'm surely critical of the "tabloid news show" style/tone of JV's show--

[EE_]

Most everyone knows that many people and people like Jesse are questioning the Pentagon strike as a conspiracy.
It would be easy to debunk the conspiracy if the witnesses, first responders, and family members of the 757 deceased would come forward and give their account of what happened...but where are they? I'd be willing to bet there would be a whole lot of family members of the deceased that would like to put this to rest.
Has any of the family members who's seen Jesse's 'TruTV', called in to say Jesse is full of sh!t?

[PatColo]

PatColo,

I just had a conversation with someone that said they found the Ventura show interesting(they are not deep into the issue at all)...and specifically said that JV said in the episode that all 4 blackboxes were not recovered? I was under the assumption that they did find them...hence things like the info discussed by pilots for 911 truth of the data recorder. Can you clear this up, is there mis/disinfo out there regarding the flight recorders,black boxes?

Thanks!


I don't have a quick answer to that Nitz, I see http://pilotsfor911truth.org speaks of the black boxes, and without watching it again, it does seem like JV said something about none recovered. So this would take some research, which you can do.. could be a real tar baby though, with conflicting claims etc- IE gummit also claims they "identified all the pentagon plane victims' bodies via DNA", which is some flavor of disinfo as with the whole 911 OCT. To begin with, we don't even know what we don't know re 911, like were all the planes real UA & AA planes on scheduled flights (or some sort of mil planes painted up properly), and was anyone on them at all? "Epistomology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistomology)" becomes crucial with 911 research, starting at square one, not square two or three... one of the tricks the 911 LIHOP frauds "in the truth movement" try to play is asking say, how/when/where/etc did the scary moozlem hijackers do XYZ... trying to establish as "given" that there were scary moozlem hijackers involved whatsoever- a woefully unproven assumption (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10142), yet the LIHOPers relentlessly plug away trying to frame everything as though, US failures/corruption aside, we were after all attacked by hate-filt scary moozlemists... :oo--> for obvious reason, as maintaining that myth is the foundation of the whole warrenterra hoax, which these LIHOP frauds' bosses pay them to try to prop up. So they try to trick people into starting the truth-dialog at square two, rather than at square one (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10142).




With all due respect Pat (you really opened my eyes), but 99% of Americans aren't listening to yours (or anyone else's) logic. Remember, TPTB sold 911 with tabloid journalism...



RJB: yeah, that's "the bright side" of JV's show's tabloid style- it speaks to J6P, as surely as WWF (or whatever nowdaze) gets a wider audience than say, C-Span Book TV. And we need those J6Ps in this, humanity's fight against this new, Post-911 Orwellian Realityhttp://www.messianic-torah-truth-seeker.org/Torah/Kashrut/logo-ou-kosher-48.gif which TPTB have audaciously tried to foist upon us. Those J6Ps are the canon fodder which TPTB must trick into hating Arabs, so they'll enlist and go across the world to Holocaust more Semitic Arabs, & their J6P families will support them etc.



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[FunnyMoney]

At least one or more of the black boxes were recovered. The official story is that they were too damanged to provide useful information. In the JV video it mentions this as well.


The tabloid style, the music, the over-dramatic repetative sound bites (including even the "conspiracy theory" title) serve to make the subject matter trivial.

JV does use the correct words, but it's like he's not in control of all the details. He correctly states that americans died and very likely due to secret elements in our own govt. But the hollywood show prevents these accusations from feeling humble to the victims and they distract from the words almost giving the crimes a trivial nature.

The "show" should have been done not as a "show" but as a documentary taking less than half the time or providing twice the detail. The use of a "show" serves to discredit in the minds of many. I believe JV has in a way been duped by TPTB. The in-your-face PTB are willing to let the truth slowly get out, just as with JFK, as long as it gets out on their terms and at their pace.