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Twisted Titan
26th December 2010, 05:06 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/automobiles/26INSURE.html?_r=3


CAR insurance rates have always been based on risk, and risk has usually been measured by the number of miles driven. So drivers often underreport the miles they travel to keep their rates low — at the expense of other drivers.

But a form of insurance that requires electronic verification of miles driven, in return for a discount, is gaining popularity. These so-called pay-as-you-drive policies — miles are often tracked through a GPS system in the car — are now offered in more than half of the states and are spreading, albeit slowly, despite privacy concerns.

Progressive Insurance, which began selling pay-as-you-drive policies in 1998 and now offers them in 27 states, said acceptance was strong among those eligible. “Approximately one in four customers are choosing this,” said Richard Hutchinson, Progressive’s general manager for usage-based insurance.

Several factors are driving the growth. One is that the cost of GPS systems and data devices has plunged, making tracking more economical. For less than $100 companies can buy trackers that simply plug into the diagnostic port required on cars made after 1996.

In addition, people are more comfortable being monitored, having grown accustomed to sharing information on Web sites like Facebook and Twitter, and through phone applications like Foursquare and Google Latitude that show where they are.

Insurers have also decided to collect less information than they once anticipated. GMAC Insurance, which offers pay-as-you-drive coverage in 35 states, uses the OnStar system in General Motors cars only to confirm miles driven. “Mileage is pretty innocuous,” said Tim Hogan, vice president for national accounts. “When you talk about time of day and speed, people become more concerned.”

Initially, the idea was that the insurers would collect data on what streets a driver takes, at what time of day and how aggressively he drives. Insurers would then determine risk based on behavior as well as mileage.

Progressive was at the forefront of this movement in the United States, but has reduced the scope of the data it uses to rate drivers — for instance, by excluding location and speed. And it has changed the name of its plan to Snapshot Discount because it sets a discount after 30 days of data collection. After monitoring a driver for six months, it removes the monitoring device.

At the nontech extreme of pay-as-you-drive is MileMeter, which requires only that drivers photograph their odometers when they buy the policy and then at six-month renewal intervals. Available only in Texas, MileMeter sells coverage for a specified number of miles. If the customer buys 5,000 miles but drives only 3,000, he gets a 2,000-mile credit on the renewal.

Some insurers expect drivers to let themselves be closely tracked — eventually. “There are lingering concerns about privacy,” said Robert Hartwig, president of the Insurance Information Institute, a trade group. “But that barrier is breaking down.” The Facebook generation, he said, sees it “as normal to have interactivity with companies that they buy products from.” [/img]

beefsteak
26th December 2010, 05:42 PM
Thanks, Titan.

This will also be a way to enforce the "Carbon Tax" legislation BHO wants passed in Congress.

For many many years now -thanks to the standard, "black box" under the driver's seat in modern autos- the LEOs and Insurance Adjusters have been able to off-load speed & seat belt usage data at the time of accidents.

My point? The day is coming that the Ford Explorers of this world-- who passively and electronically measure tire pressure-- will lead us directly to a Air Pressure Tax.
I'm going to be in real trouble. My vehicle has auto-adjusting load levelers installed.

Coming to a Show Room nearest you....

PS....Titan,
a realization just hit me like a ton of bricks. I've never understood until just now as I've been getting madder and madder about the intrusion and monitoring of our lives in this country, about why so many perfectly good and restorable cars are crushed by the thousands in this country DAILY!

Now, I get it.

What a waste!

Does any GSUS user know what year cars began to be equipped with the black boxes under the driver's seat?

It's pretty easy to figure out how recent OnStar is, and other GPS tools, like Lo-Jack, etc.

Color me curious. Is it even possible to purchase a vehicle anymore withOUT all this snooping hardware--for the greater good, of course.


beefsteak

Ponce
26th December 2010, 07:41 PM
If you were to fight a ticket in court all that the cop would have to do is to ask your insurance company for a record of your driving at that time and date..........also, the cop could just scan your isurance company record and every time that they find someone driving ten miles over the limit they simply would send you a ticket with a copy of driving over the limit and you would have to pay........there would be no need of a cop or cameras on lampost.......they simply stay at home checking you out by remote control and the state would become RICH.

Twisted Titan
27th December 2010, 11:12 AM
I think around in the late 96-97 is when the boxes started to appear on most vehicles


That is another reason why I will never buy A new car ........way too much Federally Mandated Tracking technology


A stable 1995 Toyota Carmry or Four Runner will be worth its weight in gold in the coming years.


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midnight rambler
27th December 2010, 11:22 AM
A stable 1995 Toyota Carmry or Four Runner will be worth its weight in gold in the coming years.


You're kidding yourself. All that needs to be done to kill a later model vehicle (even one 16 y.o. today as you cited) is to quit giving it support. Need an ECM or PCM to make it go? Guess what - you're SOL.

What will be potentially "worth its weight in gold" will be SBCs with distributors or magnetos and older diesels like the GM 6.2, the Ford/IHC non-turbo 7.3, the Dodge Cummins 12 valve, older Mercedes diesel, Perkins, etc. and the skill to keep them running - provided you can procure fuel. Otherwise get a hayburner.

http://rightproadvisors.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/horse-drawn-car1.jpg

Trinity
27th December 2010, 11:34 AM
And some still say the people are ready to "rise up and revolt!". I say they are ready to eagerly submit to authority for security. IMHO

Ponce
27th December 2010, 11:36 AM
Why hell, why not put a tiny printer in your car and every time that the car knows that you are going over the speed limit it simple gives you a ticket right then and there..........for your safety, of course.

First post of the day...........good morning to one and all.

midnight rambler
27th December 2010, 11:54 AM
A stable 1995 Toyota Carmry or Four Runner will be worth its weight in gold in the coming years.

provided you can procure fuel. Otherwise get a hayburner.

http://rightproadvisors.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/horse-drawn-car1.jpg


That must be a hell of a ride when you find yourself in a car chase or facing road rage from a guy driving a big SUV... ;D



When the hayburners rule the road the dopes will have their SUVs sitting in their driveways (provided they still have a driveway to park it in).

midnight rambler
27th December 2010, 12:22 PM
A stable 1995 Toyota Carmry or Four Runner will be worth its weight in gold in the coming years.

provided you can procure fuel. Otherwise get a hayburner.

http://rightproadvisors.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/horse-drawn-car1.jpg


That must be a hell of a ride when you find yourself in a car chase or facing road rage from a guy driving a big SUV... ;D



When the hayburners rule the road the dopes will have their SUVs sitting in their driveways (provided they still have a driveway to park it in).


The dopes will most probably live in their SUV and not go anywhere because of the lack of fuel ( i agree ), but believe me, there will still be a lot of black SUV's loaded with fuel and firearms ready to transport your friendly goons anywhere at anytime.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTx9MznD4EF-bTYK4knywv5WX2smHX3gRjsZ60Lm_lqK0mHcGYArQ


Not where rednecks are predominate, I can assure you. I've already heard about this from someone who saw the local rednecks run off the NG from their roadblock. The NG mounted up and got the hell out of there post haste.