Seed Catalogs and Seedlings

[osoab]

So, I am going to fab up some cold-frame boxes this weekend.

I am using a 1x12 on the north side 1x6 on the south side giving a slope to the south. I will be using 26"x8' clear plastic roof panels that will sit down inside about an inch or so with a support in the middle. After weighing pricing of materials, I believe this is about the cheapest way to go unless I am getting all reclaimed material. I am waiting on some windows from a remodel and might attempt to make a 3rd one out of those.

To the peanut gallery, is the cold-frame design sound?

Now, all the above preparation is so I can start carrots, cabbage, and broccoli early this year. Might put some of it for sell at a local farmers market. Quite honestly, I really just enjoy growing the stuff.

Anyhow, when do you gals and guys get your seeds ordered and seedlings started? What is your time frame to get seedlings into the cold-frames? I have never used a cold frame before.

I am looking over a seed catalog currently, Territorial Seed Company to be exact, and I am getting the itch to get stuff growing. :D

[ximmy]

Ahh yes, Terminator Seed Company, a Monsanto subsidiary... :oo-->

[osoab]

Ahh yes, Terminator Seed Company, a Monsanto subsidiary... :oo-->


Huh?

[uncletonoose]

Ahh yes, Terminator Seed Company, a Monsanto subsidiary... :oo-->


Huh?


Here is some info I found about Territorial Seed Co.

Exerpt:

Here is an interesting post on Seed companies supplied by monsanto. If you think it is relevant please pass it on to the growing food and justice listserve.

Recently on a gardening forum in which I participate, a list of various seed companies now owned by Monsanto was posted. I was so shocked to discover Territorial Seeds on the list that I immediately wrote to them to ask if it was true... As it turns out, while Territorial continues to be owned
privately, by Tom & Julie Johns, one of their seed suppliers, Seminis, is in fact owned by Monsanto. Over the course of my correspondence with staff from Territorial, they provided me with a list of the seeds currently purchased by Seminis, which I have attached. And I was told that the owners are 'considering' whether or not to continue using Seminis as a vendor.

I'm sending this information out in the hopes that *you'll* consider writing to Territorial Seeds to request they terminate their relationship with Seminis, as well as expressing support for them as a company you'd continue to buy seeds from in the future. I can't express enough how important it is for those of us who are dedicated to food security, and the ongoing availability of good, local, organic produce, to do whatever we can to prevent Monsanto from colonizing our primary sources of seed. Toward that end, I'm also posting the list of companies owned by Monsanto for your
review, in case you find others whose seeds you've bought.

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=19614611688&topic=8810

[skid]

Ahh yes, Terminator Seed Company, a Monsanto subsidiary... :oo-->


Huh?


Here is some info I found about Territorial Seed Co.

Exerpt:

Here is an interesting post on Seed companies supplied by monsanto. If you think it is relevant please pass it on to the growing food and justice listserve.

Recently on a gardening forum in which I participate, a list of various seed companies now owned by Monsanto was posted. I was so shocked to discover Territorial Seeds on the list that I immediately wrote to them to ask if it was true... As it turns out, while Territorial continues to be owned
privately, by Tom & Julie Johns, one of their seed suppliers, Seminis, is in fact owned by Monsanto. Over the course of my correspondence with staff from Territorial, they provided me with a list of the seeds currently purchased by Seminis, which I have attached. And I was told that the owners are 'considering' whether or not to continue using Seminis as a vendor.

I'm sending this information out in the hopes that *you'll* consider writing to Territorial Seeds to request they terminate their relationship with Seminis, as well as expressing support for them as a company you'd continue to buy seeds from in the future. I can't express enough how important it is for those of us who are dedicated to food security, and the ongoing availability of good, local, organic produce, to do whatever we can to prevent Monsanto from colonizing our primary sources of seed. Toward that end, I'm also posting the list of companies owned by Monsanto for your
review, in case you find others whose seeds you've bought.

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=19614611688&topic=8810


That can't be right, can it? Are all those companies (on that facebook site) owned by Monsanto, or do they just buy some seeds from Monsanto companies? I've ordered seeds from some of those companies in the past and was planning on further purchases next year...

[osoab]

Ahh yes, Terminator Seed Company, a Monsanto subsidiary... :oo-->


Huh?


Here is some info I found about Territorial Seed Co.

Exerpt:

Here is an interesting post on Seed companies supplied by monsanto. If you think it is relevant please pass it on to the growing food and justice listserve.

Recently on a gardening forum in which I participate, a list of various seed companies now owned by Monsanto was posted. I was so shocked to discover Territorial Seeds on the list that I immediately wrote to them to ask if it was true... As it turns out, while Territorial continues to be owned
privately, by Tom & Julie Johns, one of their seed suppliers, Seminis, is in fact owned by Monsanto. Over the course of my correspondence with staff from Territorial, they provided me with a list of the seeds currently purchased by Seminis, which I have attached. And I was told that the owners are 'considering' whether or not to continue using Seminis as a vendor.

I'm sending this information out in the hopes that *you'll* consider writing to Territorial Seeds to request they terminate their relationship with Seminis, as well as expressing support for them as a company you'd continue to buy seeds from in the future. I can't express enough how important it is for those of us who are dedicated to food security, and the ongoing availability of good, local, organic produce, to do whatever we can to prevent Monsanto from colonizing our primary sources of seed. Toward that end, I'm also posting the list of companies owned by Monsanto for your
review, in case you find others whose seeds you've bought.

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=19614611688&topic=8810


Can you provide the list of seed companies? Some of us don't facebook. Thanks.

[uncletonoose]

Ahh yes, Terminator Seed Company, a Monsanto subsidiary... :oo-->


Huh?


Here is some info I found about Territorial Seed Co.

Exerpt:

Here is an interesting post on Seed companies supplied by monsanto. If you think it is relevant please pass it on to the growing food and justice listserve.

Recently on a gardening forum in which I participate, a list of various seed companies now owned by Monsanto was posted. I was so shocked to discover Territorial Seeds on the list that I immediately wrote to them to ask if it was true... As it turns out, while Territorial continues to be owned
privately, by Tom & Julie Johns, one of their seed suppliers, Seminis, is in fact owned by Monsanto. Over the course of my correspondence with staff from Territorial, they provided me with a list of the seeds currently purchased by Seminis, which I have attached. And I was told that the owners are 'considering' whether or not to continue using Seminis as a vendor.

I'm sending this information out in the hopes that *you'll* consider writing to Territorial Seeds to request they terminate their relationship with Seminis, as well as expressing support for them as a company you'd continue to buy seeds from in the future. I can't express enough how important it is for those of us who are dedicated to food security, and the ongoing availability of good, local, organic produce, to do whatever we can to prevent Monsanto from colonizing our primary sources of seed. Toward that end, I'm also posting the list of companies owned by Monsanto for your
review, in case you find others whose seeds you've bought.

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=19614611688&topic=8810


Can you provide the list of seed companies? Some of us don't facebook. Thanks.


Here is a list of seed companies that claim to have non-gmo, non-hybrid, non-treated seeds. If you scroll down, you will see Territorial Seeds. They purchase some of their seeds from Seminis, which was purchased by Monsanto. IMO If you want non-gmo, non-hybrid, non treated seeds, you need to call the seed company and flat out ask them if the seed you want to order is certified non-gmo, non-hybrid, non treated. Here is a link to the below list. http://www.crudeawakening.org/seeds.htm

Seed Companies Offering Organic, Non-GE, and Untreated Seeds
Please note: Crude Awakening offers the following list as reference only. No endorsement of quality or is implied.

Bailey Seed
2430 Mcgilchrist St. SE
Salem, OR 97302
503-362-9700
Fax: 503-362-1705
Email: info@baileyseed.com
Website: www.baileyseed.com
"One stop seed shop". Also carry untreated seeds.

Barenbrug USA
PO Box 820
Boardman, OR 97818
541-481-4001
Fax: 541-481-4002
Organic custom grass seed mixes including tall fescue, perennial ryegrass, orchard grass.

Bejo Seeds, Inc.
PO Box 859
Oceano, CA 93475
805-473-2199
Fax: 805-473-0897
Organic cabbage, cucumber, carrot, and garlic seed.

Botanical Interests
660 Compton Street
Broomfield, CO 80020
303-464-6464
Fax: 303-464-6468
Email: judybuyseed@juno.com
100% Organic retail seed.

Bountiful Gardens
18001 Shafer Ranch Road
Willits, CA 95490
707-459-6410
Fax: 707-459-1925
Email: bountiful@sonic.net
Website: www.bountifulgardens.org
Great resource for organic and biointensive seed, books, tools, and other garden materials.

Butterbrooke Farm
78 Barry Road
Oxford, CT 06478
203-888-2000
100% organic, non-hybrid seed raised by cooperative farmers. Send SASE for seedlist.

Comstock, Ferre & Company
263 Main Street
Wetherfields, CT 06109
860-571-6590
Fax: 860-571-6595
Email: comstock@tiac.net
Website: www.comstockferre.com

The Cook's Garden
PO Box C5030
Warminster, PA 18974
800-457-9703
Email: info@cooksgarden.com
Website: www.cooksgarden.com
For cooks who love to garden and gardeners who love to cook.

DLF International Seeds
PO Box 229
Halsey, OR 97348
541-369-1820
Fax: 541-369-2640
Website: www.intlseed.com
Organic Grass and Forage Seeds

Elixir Farm Botanicals
General Delivery
Brixey, MO 65618
417-261-2393
Email: farm@elixirfarm.com
Website: www.elixirfarm.com
Biodynamically grown, certified organic medicinal herb seeds.

Fedco Seeds
POB 520
Waterville, ME 04903-0520
207-873-7333
Fax: 207-872-8317
Website: www.fedcoseeds.com
Untreated seeds. Catalog lists certified organic seeds, please send $2 for a catalog.

Fedco Trees
POB 520
Waterville , ME 04903-0520
207-873-7333
Fax: 207-872-8317
A unique collection of hardy fruit, nut and ornamental trees; shrubs, berries, grapes, tender bulbs and perennials.

Filaree Farm
182 Conconully Hwy.
Okanogan, WA 98840
509-422-6940
Email: filaree@northcascades.net
Website: www.filareefarm.com
100% organic garlic seed retailer. Wholesale by contract. Amazing selection of hardneck and softneck garlic.

ForFarmers.com
3770 Henri Julien #3
Montreal, QC, Canada H2W 2J9
(514)384-8651
Contact: http://www.forfarmers.com/contact.php
Website: www.forfarmers.com
ForFarmers.com is a marketplace for buying and selling new and used farm machinery, equipment, seeds, crops, forage, flowers, fruit, fruit tree, herb, garden, shrubs, oil, vegetable and a wide range of services including job opportunities.

Fungi Perfecti
PO Box 7634
Olympia, WA 98507
800-780-9126
Fax: 360-426-9377
Email: mycomedia@aol.com
Website: www.fungi.com
Organic gourmet and medicinal mushroom technologies.

Harris Seeds
355 Paul Road
P.O. Box 24966
Rochester, NY 14624-0966
800-544-7938
Fax: 877-892-9197
Email: growers@harrisseeds.com
Website: www.harrisseeds.com
Untreated, organic, non-gmo seeds. Since 1879 Harris Seeds has carried a full line of high quality products for growers.

Heirloom Seeds
PO Box 245
W. Elizabeth, PA 15088
412-384-0852
Fax: 412-384-0852
Email: mail@heirloomseeds.com
Website: www.heirloomseeds.com
100% organic seed retailer with $1 catalog.

High Mowing Organic Seeds
813 Brook Road
Wolcott, VT 05860
802-888-1800
Website: www.highmowingseeds.com
100% organic and biodynamic, open-pollinated varieties.

Horizon Herbs, LLC.
PO Box 69
Williams, OR 97544
541-846-6704
Fax: 541-846-6233
Email: herbseed@horizonherbs.com
Website: www.horizonherbs.com
Featuring medicinal seeds from all over the world, organically grown or wildcrafted. Indigenous collections from America, China, and India. Write or call for our free catalog and growing guide.

Irish Eyes - Garden City Seeds
5045 Robinson Canyon Road
Ellensburg, WA 98926
509-964-7000
Fax: 509-964-7001
Email: potatoes@irish-eyes.com
Website: www.irish-eyes.com, www.gardencityseeds.net
Supporters of organic seed growers!

Island Seed and Supply
19370 Hwy. G
Mineral Point, WI 53565
608-776-3414
Wholesaler of organic seeds, works directly with growers.

J.L. Hudson, Seedsman
Star Route 2 Box 337
La Honda, CA 94020-9733
Website: www.JLhudsonseeds.net
Ethnobotanical catalog of vegetable, medicinal herb, flower, wild plant, and heirloom seeds. All open-pollinated and non-ge. Many organic or wildcrafted. Established in 1911, in California since 1973. We buy seeds from small growers and wildcrafters - send your list!

Johnny's Select Seeds
955 Benton Avenue
Winslow, ME 04352
207-861-3900
Fax: 800-437-4290
Email: info@johnnyseeds.com
Website: www.johnnyseeds.com
Johnny’s Selected Seeds provides vegetables, herb, and flower seeds as well as tools and supplies to commercial growers and home gardeners.

Le Jardin du Gourmet
PO Box 75 Street
Johnsbury Center, VT 05863
802-748-1446
Fax: 802-748-9592
Email: orderdesk@artisticgardens.com
Website: www.artisticgardens.com

Mountain Valley Growers
39325 Pepperwood Road
Squaw Valley, CA 93675
559-338-2775
Website: www.mountainvalleygrowers.com
300 varieties of herbs/perennial plants. Retail and Wholesale. 100% Organic.
Native Seeds / SEARCH
526 N. 4th Avenue
Tucson, AZ 85705
520-622-5561
Email: info@nativeseeds.org
Website: www.nativeseeds.org
Non-profit org. with native/traditional seeds of the SW USA. Seasonal catalogs.

NC+ Organics
207 18th Street N
Grand Junction, IA 50107
800-370-7979
Website: www.ncorganics.com
Free product guide. Wholesaler of organically produced hybrid corn seed plus more organic seed.

Nichols Garden Nursery
1190 Old Salem Road NE
Albany, OR 97321
800-422-3985
Fax: 800-231-5306
Website: www.nicholsgardennursery.com
Vegetable, herb and flower seeds. Organic heirloom & traditional seeds. Free catalog.

Organic Seed Alliance
PO Box 772
Port Townsend, WA 98368
360-385-7192
Fax: 360-385-7455
Email: info@seedalliance.org
Website: www.seedalliance.org
Organic Seed Alliance, a nonprofit public charity, supports the ethical development and stewardship of the genetic resources of agricultural seed. We accomplish our goals through collaborative education and research programs with organic farmers and other seed professionals.

Ornamental Edibles
3272 Fleur de lis Ct.
San Jose, CA 95132
408-929-7333
Fax: 408-929-5775
Email: info@ornamentaledibles.com
Website: www.ornamentaledibles.com
Features almost all organic seeds and less than one percent of seeds are treated.

Osborne International Seed Company
2428 Old Hwy 99 South Road
Mount Vernon, WA 98273
Phone: 360-424-7333
Toll free phone: 800-845-9113
Fax: 360-424-8900
Email: cosborne@osborneseed.com
Website: www.osborneseed.com
Featuring organic and untreated seeds for the Pacific Northwest grower.

Paradise Gardens Rare Plant Nursery
Rt. 1 Box 2630
Bionners, IA 83805
Email: paradise@rareplantnursery.biz
Website: www.povn.com/paradisegardens/
100% organic rare and unusual perennials, herbs, and gourmet vegetable varieties.

Peace Seeds
2385 SE Thompson Street
Corvallis, OR 97333
541-752-0421
Email: akapuler@yahoo.com
Specializing in public domain plant breeding, Andean vegetables and unique marigolds. Source of Yacon crowns & tubers, oca seeds, sunflowers, soybeans, specializing in edamame and tomatoes.

Pepper Joe's, Inc.
7 Tyburn Court
Timonium, MD 21093
Website: www.pepperjoe.com
100% organic seed, features heirloom varieties, on-line catalog or SASE for printed copy.

Perennial Vegetable Seed Company
PO Box 608
Belchertown, MA 01007
403-529-0678
Email: eric@perennialvegetables.com
Website: www.perennialvegetables.com
Retail with organic seed offerings. Unique selection of perennial vegetables. On-line catalog or print $1.

Pinetree Garden Seeds
PO Box 300
New Gloucester, ME 04260
888-52-SEEDS
Email: pinetree@superseeds.com
Website: www.superseeds.com
Provider for the home gardener

R. H. Shumway Seedsman / Catalog Fulfillment Center
334 W. Stroud Street
Randolph, WI 53956
800-342-9461
Fax: 800-437-2733
Website: www.rhshumway.com

Redwood Seed Company
PO Box 361
Redwood City, CA 94064
650-325-7333
Website: www.ecoseeds.com
Featuring heirloom hot peppers, over 100 kinds. Specializing in endangered cultivated plants, no GMO's and no Hybrids. Carry primarily heirloom and old-fashioned vegetables.

Sand Hill Preservation Center
1878 230th Street
Calamus, IA 52729
563-246-2299
Email: sandhill@fbcom.net
Organic seed retailer. Great selection of sweet potato varieties.

Seed Savers Exchange (SSE)
3076 North Winne Road
Decorah, IA 52101
563-382-5990
Fax: 563-382-5872
Non-profit, tax-exempt organization whose 8,000 members are saving and distributing heirloom (hand-down) varities of vegetables, fruits, nuts, and grains. Call or write to recieve SSE’s free 80 page color catalog of heirloom seeds, books and gifts (plus membership information).

Seeds of Change / Deep Diversity
PO Box 15700
Santa Fe, NM 87506
888-762-7333
Fax: 505-458-7052
Email: gardener@seedsofchange.com
Website: www.seedsofchange.com
Offering hundreds of open-pollinated and certified organic vegetable, herbs, and flowers.

Seeds Trust-high Altitude Gardens
PO Box 596
Cornville, AZ 86325
928-649-3315
Email: bm@seedsave.orgbr> Website: www.seedstrust.com
19-year old bioregional seed company dedicated to regional self-reliance, non-hybrid, non-gmo, untreated vegetable, wildflower, herb, and native grass seeds adapted to cold climates and short seasons.

Sourcepoint Organic Seeds
1349 2900 Road
Hotchkiss, CO 81419
970-872-4941
Cereal grains, legumes, vegetables, herbs, fruits, flowers, trees, etc.

Sow Organic Seeds
PO Box 527
Williams, OR 97544
888-709-7333
Email: organic@organicseed.com
Website: www.organicseed.com
All of our seeds are organic, open-pollinated heirloom varieties, farm direct to you!

Territorial Seed Company
PO Box 158
Cottage Grove, OR 97424
541-942-9547
Fax: 888-657-3131
Email: tetri@territorial-seed.com
Website: www.territorial-seed.com
Fast growing assortment of organic seeds! Also feature untreated seeds.

Turtle Tree Seeds
Camphill Village
Copake, NY 12516
518-329-3038
100% organic and biodynamic seed grown by farmer collective across the nation. Choose varieties based on production practices and region. Send for mail-order catalog and contact list.

W. Atlee Burpee Company
300 Park Avenue
Warminster, PA 18974
215-674-4900
Fax: 215-674-3274
100% Organic Vegetable and herb seeds. Certified Organic By Oregon Tilth.

Weaver Seed of Oregon
PO Box 67
Crabtree, OR 97374
541-924-9701
Fax: 541-924-9702
Email: wseeds@aol.com
100% Organic forage and grass seed.

White Flower Farm
PO Box 50
Litchfield, CT 06759
800-503-9624
Email: custserv@whiteflowerfarm.com
Website: www.whiteflowerfarm.com

Wild Garden Seed
P.O. Box 1509
Philomath, OR 97370
541-929-4068
Website: www.wildgardenseed.com
Offering organic, open-pollinated, and farm-original varieties of salad greens, vegetables, herbs, and flowers.

WoodPrairie Farm
49-29 Kinney Road
Bridgewater, ME 04735
800-829-9765
Website: www.woodprairie.com
Organic retailer of seed potatoes. Online / print catalog.

[Territorial Seed Co]

Hi there, I work for Territorial Seed Company and I wanted to address some of the comments posted in this thread. First of all, we, nor any of the companies listed in the facebook posting are owned by Monsanto. Furthermore, we are in no way a subsidiary of Monsanto as stated by ximmy in this thread. Territorial Seed Company is, and always has been a family owned/operated company. I'm attaching a letter from Tom Johns, president of Territorial Seed Company in response to the facebook posting, as well as his view on Seminis/Monsanto. I also encourage you to read the letter on the inside cover of the 2011 catalog which further explains who we are (it is not currently available online...sorry). I'd be happy to address any questions or comments that you have. Thank you,
Josh Kirschenbaum, Territorial Seed Company

Letter From Tom Johns:
Territorial Seed Company; like other home garden seed companies commonly mentioned are NOT owned by Monsanto. This is an absurd rumor that has spread from one blog to another. Furthermore Territorial is NOT a seed dealer for Monsanto or Seminis the vegetable seed producing company acquired by Monsanto. Seed dealerships from Seminis are reserved for those wholesale seed companies that serve Seminis’ primary market: the commercial vegetable farmer/grower.

Seminis, (formally Petoseed) does maintain a very small division devoted to marketing seed varieties for the home garden market. We do buy a small and ever decreasing amount of items from their wholesale list. These are primarily older home garden classics like Celebrity, Big Beef, and Super Marzano tomatoes. These unique varieties were bred by Petoseed, which at one time was the nation’s premier seed house. This is the company we originally signed up to do business with 30 years ago. Many of these items are truly works of living art, crafted by old school seedsmen who utilized traditional breeding crosses as their canvas to create new varieties specifically for home gardeners. These items have been no less loved and appreciated by generations of home gardeners than the works of Monet or Warhol have been to the visual arts community.

Since Monsanto’s purchase of Seminis I have become increasingly unsure of their continued commitment to their home garden seed division. Personally, I was surprised this tiny revenue generating department was not axed the day Monsanto bought Seminis. After all, Seminis Home Garden sales figures expressed in a company wide Monsanto revenue pie chart probably could not be detected as even a sliver. Recent actions reveal a trend that indicates perhaps a winding down of this historically important division. For the last two years many more varieties have been dropped from their lineup than new varieties added.

The aggressive actions of Monsanto with regards to their hugely profitable GMO corn, sorghum, and soy beans have earned them much bad press. It has brought calls by some people to boycott their products. By directing calls to action towards the home garden seed division will only help to speed the elimination of the smallest and, in my mind, the best part of this huge company.

All this comes at a time when home gardeners need more varieties not fewer. The major seed companies in the world today are focused on what makes them money-commercial seed varieties for commercial growers. It’s merely a byproduct of their commercial efforts that will lead them to discover selections that benefit home gardeners. As a person who has spent their productive years trying to keep discontinued varieties in the hands of home gardeners, I find no joy in losing these old Petoseed varieties regardless of who currently owns the art.

As another chapter in the seed industry comes to a close, another chapter is yet to be written. Looking forward, we remain very optimistic about the future and are busy getting prepared for the changes ahead. As our customers know, Territorial funds extensive vegetable, flower and herb trials. For the past couple of years we have been evaluating for suitable replacements for current Seminis varieties. As replacements are found we are making the changes in our catalog offerings. Given the speed at which Seminis Home Garden is dropping varieties from their wholesale list, and the rate at which we are finding substitutes for others, our business dealings will soon be in the past. Sadly, some unique home garden classics will never have a true replacement and will become just a memory.

The opinions and perspectives in this blog are mine alone, and are just that.

Tom Johns
President
Territorial Seed Company


For information about Territorial’s certified organic seed production program featuring open-pollinated and heirloom seed, log on to www.territorialseed.com.

For information about saving your own seed varieties log on to Territorial’s sister company; Abundant Life Seeds- an all organic seed company. www.abundantlifeseeds.com

[MNeagle]

Wow, that was fast. I'm impressed.

Thank you.

[osoab]

Hi there, I work for Territorial Seed Company and I wanted to address some of the comments posted in this thread. First of all, we, nor any of the companies listed in the facebook posting are owned by Monsanto. Furthermore, we are in no way a subsidiary of Monsanto as stated by ximmy in this thread. Territorial Seed Company is, and always has been a family owned/operated company. I'm attaching a letter from Tom Johns, president of Territorial Seed Company in response to the facebook posting, as well as his view on Seminis/Monsanto. I also encourage you to read the letter on the inside cover of the 2011 catalog which further explains who we are (it is not currently available online...sorry). I'd be happy to address any questions or comments that you have. Thank you,
Josh Kirschenbaum, Territorial Seed Company


Thank you for putting the record straight. I appreciated the letter from Tom Johns and will have to remember your look at your website.

Just out of curiosity, do you guys comb the web for any disparaging remarks about your company? Do you monitor garden sections on forums? Your quick response to this thread surprised me.

[milehi]

I've had great customer service from Pepper Joes (listed above) and here

http://www.pennystomatoes.com/

[osoab]

I've had great customer service from Pepper Joes (listed above) and here

http://www.pennystomatoes.com/


Grew them last year. Pricey though. 10 seeds for 3.50. ouch. Red-hot Peter Peppers

Will grow them next year too. Probably 10-12 plants. Good for chili powder.

Will also grow cayenne and poblano peppers too. The poblanos will go into the chili powder.

I think I will also add some paprika peppers.

Still deciding on the variety of tomatoes. There is a giant hybrid roma that I am looking for.

[osoab]

There has to be one or two people that start their own seedlings. Speak up.

I know it all depends on our specific growing zones, but I would like to hear different ideas.

[Territorial Seed Co]

Hi there, I work for Territorial Seed Company and I wanted to address some of the comments posted in this thread. First of all, we, nor any of the companies listed in the facebook posting are owned by Monsanto. Furthermore, we are in no way a subsidiary of Monsanto as stated by ximmy in this thread. Territorial Seed Company is, and always has been a family owned/operated company. I'm attaching a letter from Tom Johns, president of Territorial Seed Company in response to the facebook posting, as well as his view on Seminis/Monsanto. I also encourage you to read the letter on the inside cover of the 2011 catalog which further explains who we are (it is not currently available online...sorry). I'd be happy to address any questions or comments that you have. Thank you,
Josh Kirschenbaum, Territorial Seed Company


Thank you for putting the record straight. I appreciated the letter from Tom Johns and will have to remember your look at your website.

Just out of curiosity, do you guys comb the web for any disparaging remarks about your company? Do you monitor garden sections on forums? Your quick response to this thread surprised me.


You are quite welcome and thank you for the response! We actually get google alerts that notify us if our name comes up in a forum/article/etc... We take pride in who we are, so if there is any type of misunderstanding, we want folks to hear our side as well. Josh :D

[osoab]

These are the cold frame boxes I built. Thoughts?

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[Dogman]

These are the cold frame boxes I built. Thoughts?

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http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j446/osoab/Cold%20Frames/DSC00387.jpg

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Nice!

For long rows , stout stakes driven into the ground at the ends of the rows tie a wire or rope and pull tight to both stakes, and then drape clear plastic over wire/rope to make a A-frame shape. seal the ends and if the width of the plastic is right dirt and weights so can be lifted for watering , but secure enough that the weather will not blow away on the long ends.

Simi-instant green house.

[gunDriller]

These are the cold frame boxes I built. Thoughts?


looks very professional.

do you have a cheap digital thermometer so you can monitor temperatures inside the cold-frame ?

if you get some daylight sun - temps rising above freezing - it's possible to use containers of water (in a black container) as a heat reservoir. it would only make a few degrees difference, but that can make a difference.

[osoab]

These are the cold frame boxes I built. Thoughts?


looks very professional.

do you have a cheap digital thermometer so you can monitor temperatures inside the cold-frame ?

if you get some daylight sun - temps rising above freezing - it's possible to use containers of water (in a black container) as a heat reservoir. it would only make a few degrees difference, but that can make a difference.


I hope the professional comment is all sarcasm. :D
I still haven't figured out how to hinge the tops. It was just too warm last week not to at least get them built.

At the time I couldn't find my cheap thermometer, so I still need to get one in there. I hadn't thought of going the digital route. I might have to see if I can find a cheap one to install in both boxes.

[MNeagle]

Piano hinge

http://www.monroeengineering.com/hinges/images/image.2005-08-17.6268944801

[Dogman]

These are the cold frame boxes I built. Thoughts?


looks very professional.

do you have a cheap digital thermometer so you can monitor temperatures inside the cold-frame ?

if you get some daylight sun - temps rising above freezing - it's possible to use containers of water (in a black container) as a heat reservoir. it would only make a few degrees difference, but that can make a difference.


I hope the professional comment is all sarcasm. :D
I still haven't figured out how to hinge the tops. It was just too warm last week not to at least get them built.

At the time I couldn't find my cheap thermometer, so I still need to get one in there. I hadn't thought of going the digital route. I might have to see if I can find a cheap one to install in both boxes.


Old school thermometer may be cheaper and not need battery's, plus would be immune to the elements!

Just a thought.

[osoab]

Piano hinge

http://www.monroeengineering.com/hinges/images/image.2005-08-17.6268944801


It's is more of how/where I will hinge it. Currently I have the panels screwed down for anti-theft device.

I don't know if I want to hinge in the middle long ways which would give you a 2' reach from both sides. I could also cut the panels down the middle and hinge so they flip the long way.

Either way, I have a few weeks to make up my mind.

[osoab]

Old school thermometer may be cheaper and not need battery's, plus would be immune to the elements!

Just a thought.


I was planning to go the old school route. One issue is that they are not "completely" clear and with condensation on the underside viewing it will be difficult.

It's is 29 degrees out now and condensation has formed nicely on the underside of the panels.

I still have some time to figure it out.

[gunDriller]

i used a cheap ($20) dig. therm. in my compost pile 2 years in a row. i taped Sensor #2 to a big washer and stuck it in the middle of the pile to monitor temps.

the thermometer has a big long wire lead (15 feet) for the second sensor. so when i went to get a temp reading, i would get an outdoor/ ambient temp, and an inside-compost-pile temp.

the pile got up to about 130 F, too hot for warms, then cooled off to about 80 and the redworms started moving in, en masse.


last year i thought i had f'ed up my vermiculture bin and needed to buy some more, and talked to a redworm seller about worms. she made me realize i had a boatload of redworms already - from the compost pile.

anyway, it's a handy-dandy cheap thermometer ... and right now i have no idea where it is.


nothing against "old-fashioned" thermometers though.

a professional hot compost operation will sometimes use an oversize turkey thermometer, it looks the same but the needle is about 2 feet long.

[osoab]

1st batch of seedlings are in and most are up. Many more to follow. The cells with the most I just used up old seed that was 2 or three years old. Good germination rate on those guys.

Might have jumped the gun a week or two early. :D

[osoab]

Well, time to tell what those cold frames I built above could do.
http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j446/osoab/5-5-111.jpg

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j446/osoab/5-5-112.jpg

The 1st two photos are of some Tom Thumb lettuce and some Baby Romaine that I planted. They were under a white row cover since 3-28-11.

The next two pics are from the same batch of seedlings. Tom Thumbs and Baby Romaines. These were planted under the cold frame I built on 3-30-11.
http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j446/osoab/5-5-113.jpg

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I used an ASE for my size standard. ;D

2-1 to 3-1 growth factor under the cold frame.

Now temps. The temps get warm under these puppies. On a 40-50 sunny day. Expect 90+ on the surface o the soil.
My carrots love the other frame. ;D

Now for a pic of what is all under the cold frame.

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j446/osoab/5-5-115.jpg

R to L.

Johnny's Pelleted Romain, Tom Thumb, Baby Romaine, & Pablo.

In front of those are radishes I planed on 4-24-11 almost 2 weeks ago. They germinated in 4 days.

I threw some onion sets in the front for some green onions.

I will have some peppers planted in this box shortly. I think they will love the heat, and the robins won't get em.

Edit to fix pic links.

[MNeagle]

Spectacular success there osoab, makes me hungry for a fresh salad!

Nice touch w/ the ASE too!! (tip for the gardener?) :D

How will you keep the robins off the peppers?

[osoab]

Spectacular success there osoab, makes me hungry for a fresh salad!

Nice touch w/ the ASE too!! (tip for the gardener?) :D

How will you keep the robins off the peppers?


They can't touch em inside the box. It will be completely closed by then. Should give them about 2-3 weeks undisturbed growing time.

In the others, I have built 2' tall fences to put around my 4x8 boxes and then I will put down some bird netting with a staple gun.

I just have never had any luck with reflective material or snakes with birds or squirrels. Little bastards.

[gunDriller]

Spectacular success there osoab, makes me hungry for a fresh salad!


yes ! i see pictures like that, i start thinking about what salad dressing to use.

best dressing i've ever had - Briana's Blush Wine Vinaigrette, with a dash of Trader Joe's Jamaica Jerk sauce.