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Twisted Titan
2nd January 2011, 05:16 PM
White House warns failure to raise debt ceiling will bring "economic crisis"

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...onomic-crisis/

The top White House economic adviser warned lawmakers Sunday that the United States faces a catastrophe if Congress does not raise the debt ceiling, as spend-averse Republicans indicated they'd be willing to support the increase so long as certain conditions are met.

The debt ceiling debate is one of the first major legislative clashes on tap as lawmakers return to Washington this coming week for the start of the 112th Congress. The $13.9 trillion national debt is creeping closer to its $14.3 trillion ceiling, and a vote to increase that limit is expected in the spring.

Though lawmakers will no doubt use the vote to extract promises over future spending cuts, White House Council of Economic Advisers Chairman Austan Goolsbee urged Congress not to "toy with" the issue.

"This is not a game," Goolsbee said on ABC's "This Week." "If we hit the debt ceiling, that's essentially defaulting on our obligations, which is totally unprecedented in American history.

"The impact on the economy would be catastrophic. I mean, that would be a worse financial economic crisis than anything we saw in 2008," Goolsbee said. "I don't see why anybody's talking about playing chicken with the debt ceiling."

He suggested that if the vote collapses, "that would be the first default in history caused purely by insanity."

But some lawmakers argue that what's insane is to routinely raise the ceiling without changing Washington's spending habits. Republicans on Sunday indicated they could support the increase, but made clear the administration would have to meet their demands.

Allen West, a newly elected Republican congressman from Florida, said that while he doesn't think the government will shut down, a serious discussion about controlling spending must be a condition.

"It's not going to be a blank check that comes from Allen West," he said on "Fox News Sunday."
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said on "Meet the Press" that he would not vote for the increase until he sees a plan to deal with long-term debt reduction -- including a plan that addresses Social Security and a commitment to return to 2008 spending levels.

Pat Toomey, a newly elected Republican senator from Pennsylvania, said he wouldn't vote for the increase unless he sees "substantive progress" on spending cuts. He said Congress should approach the debt limit by holding votes periodically for small increases and extracting a "major concession" on spending cuts every time.

"We are on a disaster track," he said.

Goolsbee cautioned Congress not to go too far in tightening the budget belt while the nation is still recovering from a recession.

"If you're going to go skimp on important investments that we need to grow, you're making a mistake," he said, arguing that the recession itself was the biggest driver of the deficit over the last year.

Twisted Titan
2nd January 2011, 05:20 PM
Deju vu???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8

Eyebone
2nd January 2011, 05:58 PM
I hope they don't ask me cause I want their house of cards to fall down.

Silver Shield
2nd January 2011, 07:07 PM
Oh another big fake soap opera!

They will raise it as sure as the sun rises.

This whole system is such a farce and deserves to die.

Wait until the baby boomers start sucking from the tit.

2011 is going to be orders of magnitude worse than 2008.

mick silver
2nd January 2011, 07:19 PM
there will be failure if they raise debt ceiling will bring "economic crisis" ... they need to start removing more debt to help the system recover

BrewTech
2nd January 2011, 08:13 PM
Economic crisis? LOL.

Whatever, dudes.

Book
2nd January 2011, 08:17 PM
spend-averse Republicans



How can any "journalist" print this and keep a straight face?

:D

BrewTech
2nd January 2011, 08:20 PM
spend-averse Republicans



How can any "journalist" print this and keep a straight face?

:D




Because that's exactly what they are... "JOURNALISTS"

Their job is to keep the false left/right paradigm alive, and that means reinforcing the myths.

keehah
3rd January 2011, 02:32 AM
"I don't see why anybody's talking about playing chicken with the debt ceiling."

He suggested that if the vote collapses, "that would be the first default in history caused purely by insanity."

Seems a little insane to me to even bother having a debt ceiling then, if it would be considered insane to act like one has a debt ceiling.

But I jest, of course its not about acting insane, its about deception and fraud from Congress and probably an Admiral way to pin the debt on the american people via 'elected representatives'.

gunDriller
3rd January 2011, 05:32 AM
i can think of a way we can save $3 billion a year ... and claw back a few $trillion of ill-gotten gains.

but i know Brad Sherman won't be suggesting it !

Ares
3rd January 2011, 05:48 AM
Why keep increasing it in increments Barry? Why not just go all out and increase the "debt ceiling" to 100 quadrillion? Let's just skip the formalities that we are dealing with "real money" since we are not, and Barry please you have no aversion to spending money that isn't yours. Neither do the Republicans. Barry you and this entire nation are nothing but an enormous joke. Debt ceiling? LOL Get real there is no ceiling when you and your cohorts keep increasing it whenever you need additional wiggle room. I sure wish I had that luxury.

Horn
3rd January 2011, 07:04 AM
They need this increase just to pay interest on the old debt, I suppose?

bellevuebully
3rd January 2011, 07:09 AM
You crazy, crazy conspiracy nuts!

Everythings fine. :oo-->

madfranks
3rd January 2011, 08:39 AM
"If we hit the debt ceiling, that's essentially defaulting on our obligations, which is totally unprecedented in American history."

Oh Really? As I recall, FDR happily defaulted on these bad boys:

bellevuebully
3rd January 2011, 11:19 AM
"If we hit the debt ceiling, that's essentially defaulting on our obligations, which is totally unprecedented in American history."

It is completely impossible for the US to default unless the following 2 items become non-existant:

1. trees
2. electrons

As long as those things exist, the contract remains valid. It is those who have accepted the contract that have defaulted......on common sense.

keehah
4th January 2011, 02:58 AM
Washington is a cancer!

Bartlett: Cooking the Books -- The 2010 Deficit Was $2.1 (Not $1.3) Trillion (http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2010/12/bartlett-cooking.html)
http://taxprof.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c4eab53ef0147e10391d4970b-450wi

Neuro
4th January 2011, 03:40 AM
"If we hit the debt ceiling, that's essentially defaulting on our obligations, which is totally unprecedented in American history."

It is completely impossible for the US to default unless the following 2 items become non-existant:

1. trees
2. electrons

As long as those things exist, the contract remains valid. It is those who have accepted the contract that have defaulted......on common sense.
You forgot:
3) Sky...

Apparition
4th January 2011, 11:21 AM
So, debt is wealth? Hmm, I'm not surprised at all.

Let's also remember that war is peace and slavery is freedom! :sarc:

gunDriller
4th January 2011, 12:09 PM
Washington is a cancer!

Bartlett: Cooking the Books -- The 2010 Deficit Was $2.1 (Not $1.3) Trillion (http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2010/12/bartlett-cooking.html)
http://taxprof.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c4eab53ef0147e10391d4970b-450wi



Israel is a cancer! ... too.

http://www.alternative-cancer.net/images/cancer%20cell,%20breast.jpg

Serpo
4th January 2011, 02:11 PM
This is a picture of there ceiling .....showing signs of wear.....