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Cebu_4_2
6th January 2011, 11:39 PM
This like the market in 2008, crazy shyt. Fortunately the dollar is way up.

Okay folks, what are the reasons today for this mishap?

ximmy
6th January 2011, 11:48 PM
This like the market in 2008, crazy shyt. Fortunately the dollar is way up.

Okay folks, what are the reasons today for this mishap?


I'm waiting around tonight to buy... heehee...

don't sweat...
remember:
jobs are plentiful
college is cheap
mortgages are affordable
banks are lending money
US manufacturing is full speed
retail profits are sky-high
there is a national debt surplus
only a few foolish americans hold silver and gold
government handouts are at an all time low
taxes are negligible
health care is cheap
there are no wars
there is no metals manipulation
banks don't control commerce
you can trust the media
your government loves you
ximy :D

Serpo
6th January 2011, 11:53 PM
This like the market in 2008, crazy shyt. Fortunately the dollar is way up.

Okay folks, what are the reasons today for this mishap?


Reason? whenever have they had to have a reason. ;D

Cebu_4_2
7th January 2011, 12:31 AM
Reason? whenever have they had to have a reason. ;D


Fvck... okay it was right in front of my eyes.

Night all, hope for a good day tomorrow!

Bigjon
7th January 2011, 12:44 AM
This like the market in 2008, crazy shyt. Fortunately the dollar is way up.

Okay folks, what are the reasons today for this mishap?


buying opportunity coming up. I think the long term chart shows the trend can take a fall to 22 without breaking it.

Neuro
7th January 2011, 01:04 AM
This like the market in 2008, crazy shyt. Fortunately the dollar is way up.

Okay folks, what are the reasons today for this mishap?


buying opportunity coming up. I think the long term chart shows the trend can take a fall to 22 without breaking it.
22 that is quite impressive... Any lower than that and we will have the buying opportunity of the millennia, if you can find any, that is!

Silver Shield
7th January 2011, 04:42 AM
My little theory is that it is a new year and the banks did not get crushed last year. We are also just past a delivery month of December and months away from the next delivery month of March.

So they are going to lump on some shorts and see if they can recreate 2008.

I for one think they are playing with fire and if they whack it too much they are going to create a physical squeeze unlike anything before. When silver got whacked to 10 I got one of my buddies to take delivery of 10,000 Oz.

Their best bet is the organized steady retreat they have been doing. There are too many sharks on our side that would pounce on the huge smackdowns.

As ximmy pointed out above, NOTHING has changed and everyday more debt is created.

The day of reckoning draws closer.

My hope is that this is part of JPM and HSBC unloading their shorts to off shore shell companies and that they are going long on the otherside. When they are done there will be no more sellers physical or paper in the market. After that you can throw out all of the charts as 138 years of manipulation ends.

$50 silver in March...

Got to love silver porn.

mick silver
7th January 2011, 04:49 AM
and i will be one of the sharks ... i have been loading up on paper waiting for the right time to buy

Neuro
7th January 2011, 08:04 AM
I totally agree with you SS, but pretty much the same arguments were heard in 2008, about the impossibility of it even going down below 15. Personally I don't think we are ready for a big drop yet, but certainly one will come that will be breathtaking, just as the gains prior to it. Traditionally we are in a strong period for the metals, I think we will see 35-40 before the drop.

SLV^GLD
7th January 2011, 10:01 AM
Traditionally we are in a strong period for the metals, I think we will see 35-40 before the drop.
What, exactly, does that mean. At first glance it appears to be nonsense. How can we be in a traditional period when we are in completely uncharted waters?

Awoke
7th January 2011, 10:08 AM
Well, I won't be around a computer tonight, so if it hits $26, can someone call me?

TheNocturnalEgyptian
7th January 2011, 12:18 PM
Powder is so dry, I've got a 100 foot perimeter cordoned off around it. Show me what you got, banksters!

Sparky
7th January 2011, 01:22 PM
Traditionally we are in a strong period for the metals, I think we will see 35-40 before the drop.
What, exactly, does that mean. At first glance it appears to be nonsense. How can we be in a traditional period when we are in completely uncharted waters?


I think neuro was referring to the seasonal biases in price. The strongest months for silver over the last 10 years have been November through March. The weakest have been June through August. See http://www.zealllc.com/2010/silvseas.htm.

I agree with neuro that we will see one more advance past the $31 high this winter before a stunning drop.

Sparky
7th January 2011, 02:47 PM
Silver has gone through 3 rapid drops of more than 30% since the bull began:

3/31/2004 to 4/28/2004, price dropped from $8.30 to $5.50 (-34%) in 4 weeks.

5/10/2006 to 6/12/2006, price dropped from $15.00 to $9.70 (-35%) in 5 weeks.

7/12/2008 to 8/12/2008, price dropped from $19.25 to $12.75 (-34%) in 4 weeks
then to $10.50 (-45%) by 9/12/2008 (8 weeks)
then to $8.75 (-55%) by 10/23/2008 (14 weeks)

So we've seen this every couple of years, and it's been a couple of years since the last one.

33% off of $31 is $21. The current 200-day moving average price of silver is $21.

Trinity
7th January 2011, 05:53 PM
If Silver goes below 28 dollars at anytime this year I will eat my "Members Only" jacket.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_cNzV8AxdU&feature=related

Libertytree
7th January 2011, 06:01 PM
If Silver goes below 28 dollars at anytime this year I will eat my "Members Only" jacket.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_cNzV8AxdU&feature=related



Care to bet an ASE?

Trinity
7th January 2011, 06:32 PM
Let me think about that Libertytree.

MNeagle
7th January 2011, 06:39 PM
Let me think about that Libertytree.


Just send him your jacket if you lose!

Libertytree
7th January 2011, 06:48 PM
Let me think about that Libertytree.


You made the statement, care to back it up? I'll even send a mod my SAE and let it ride till then.

SLV^GLD
8th January 2011, 04:05 PM
Better start boiling that jacket...

Trinity
8th January 2011, 04:11 PM
Thought it over Libertytree. I will not bet any of my precious SAE's. But I will donate 35 dollars (the cost of an SAE) to the site if Silver goes below 28 bucks an ounce this year. If Silver stays above 28 dollars an ounce you donate 35 bucks to the site. And eating my "Members Only" jacket is off the table if you accept this bet.

Antonio
8th January 2011, 04:24 PM
Even though I still got a respectable stack of both Au and Ag, not only I don`t have 35$, I only have a 2500$ CC debt which I intend to pay with Weimar US$ next year after liquidating a Roosvelt dime. I can`t afford a ******* pack of cigs and roll my own. But wait until TSHTF ;D ;D ;D ;D

Libertytree
8th January 2011, 09:21 PM
Well Trinity, then it'll just have to be a gentlemans wager. I gamble for gain and besides....I gave at the office. ;D

StackerKen
8th January 2011, 11:19 PM
pull backs are healthy...aren't they?


so this little pull back is a good thing :)

Cebu_4_2
9th January 2011, 12:02 AM
pull backs are healthy...aren't they?


so this little pull back is a good thing :)




wait til Sunday night when Asia see this! Buying frenzy by the Jeepney load.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTypKtrPgn51YXkByT6IZdDEATDsuWC-iR65nN3S2hvDyKBx7vnug

Serpo
9th January 2011, 12:03 AM
http://www.zealllc.com/2011/cpisilv3.htm

Serpo
9th January 2011, 12:05 AM
pull backs are healthy...aren't they?


so this little pull back is a good thing :)




wait til Sunday night when Asia see this! Buying frenzy by the Jeepney load.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTypKtrPgn51YXkByT6IZdDEATDsuWC-iR65nN3S2hvDyKBx7vnug


http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/features/filipino-jeepney-green-energy-050707/

Cebu_4_2
9th January 2011, 12:13 AM
pull backs are healthy...aren't they?


so this little pull back is a good thing :)




wait til Sunday night when Asia see this! Buying frenzy by the Jeepney load.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTypKtrPgn51YXkByT6IZdDEATDsuWC-iR65nN3S2hvDyKBx7vnug


http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/features/filipino-jeepney-green-energy-050707/


Been looking into getting a job working on these things, nothing yet though.

Neuro
10th January 2011, 07:00 AM
Traditionally we are in a strong period for the metals, I think we will see 35-40 before the drop.
What, exactly, does that mean. At first glance it appears to be nonsense. How can we be in a traditional period when we are in completely uncharted waters?


I think neuro was referring to the seasonal biases in price. The strongest months for silver over the last 10 years have been November through March. The weakest have been June through August. See http://www.zealllc.com/2010/silvseas.htm.

I agree with neuro that we will see one more advance past the $31 high this winter before a stunning drop.
You got my intention right. One thing that speaks for further gains before the drop is the strength of the dollar vs other currencies (apart from seasonal strength). I can't imagine that the dollar will continue gaining for much more, so we should see a drop in usdx, with a corresponding gain in metals before the drop. I think we can expect quite dramatic PM gains soon.

Trinity
10th January 2011, 05:22 PM
I think we can expect quite dramatic PM gains soon.

If we don't see 33 dollar Silver by mid February I will crap in my pants. ;D

1970 silver art
10th January 2011, 05:33 PM
I think we can expect quite dramatic PM gains soon.

If we don't see 33 dollar Silver by mid February I will crap in my pants. ;D



What does Aunt Jesse think of that? ;D ;D ;D I was going to offer you a bottle of Tabasco sauce but I do not think that Tabasco sauce and sh*t will go very well together;)

Neuro
11th January 2011, 04:27 AM
I think we can expect quite dramatic PM gains soon.

If we don't see 33 dollar Silver by mid February I will crap in my pants. ;D

I wonder if anyone would like to take the other side of that bet/challenge? ;D

Libertytree
20th January 2011, 12:36 PM
If Silver goes below 28 dollars at anytime this year I will eat my "Members Only" jacket.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_cNzV8AxdU&feature=related



How's that jacket tastin'? ;D

Got any pics or a vid? Also, how did you prepare it?

Libertytree
20th January 2011, 02:38 PM
Wanna go double or nothin' at $26?

Trinity
24th January 2011, 07:10 PM
Wanna go double or nothin' at $26?


OK we double it up. If Silver goes under 26 bucks an O.Z. I will eat a pair of old brown shoes.

SLV^GLD
24th January 2011, 07:20 PM
Wanna go double or nothin' at $26?


OK we double it up. If Silver goes under 26 bucks an O.Z. I will eat a pair of old brown shoes.
Better start boiling those shoes. Welcher.

cthulu
24th January 2011, 07:22 PM
Say hello to 21!!!!

Bullion_Bob
24th January 2011, 07:33 PM
Keep in mind:

"When government deficits are financed through this method of debt monetization the outcome is an increase in the monetary base, or the money supply. If a budget deficit persists for a substantial period of time then the monetary base will also increase, shifting the aggregate demand curve to the right leading to a rise in the price level.

When governments intentionally do this, they devalue existing stockpiles of wealth of anyone who is holding assets based in that currency. It is in essence a "tax" as the overall value of their assets decrease due to a loss in spending power. This is known as "inflation tax".

To summarize: a deficit can be the source of sustained inflation only if it is persistent rather than temporary and if the government finances it by creating money (through monetizing the debt), rather than leaving bonds in the hands of the public.


Monetizing the debt can be used as a component of quantitative easing strategies, which involve the creation of new currency by the central bank, which may be used to purchase government debt, or can be used in other ways.

However, there can be an insidious effect. As noted macroeconomist Nouriel Roubini noted:

“When governments reach the point where they are borrowing to pay the interest on their borrowing they are coming dangerously close to running a sovereign Ponzi scheme. Ponzi schemes have a way of ending unhappily. To get out of the Ponzi trap, governments will have to increase tax revenues, or cut spending, or monetize the debt--or most likely do some combination of all three. [5]"

More here:
http://dailybail.com/home/how-the-federal-reserve-and-the-zombie-banks-are-monetizing.html

Debt ceiling will be raised, then QE3, QE4,... rinse, repeat.

It's the war on terror. "Stay the course!" -Bush -Obama etc...etc...forever until bust.

The money has been printed, monetized, and continues on at a furious rate. How much taxes, and service cuts do you think it will take. Feasible? Destination monetization?

Low priced PM's would seem to be a loophole right now. A gift perhaps.

You buy one ounce, they get burned by a hundred on the books. One thousand = consolidation burn of one hundred thousand, and so on.

DYODD? :whistle

Antonio
24th January 2011, 07:47 PM
I think we can expect quite dramatic PM gains soon.

If we don't see 33 dollar Silver by mid February I will crap in my pants. ;D



What does Aunt Jesse think of that? ;D ;D ;D I was going to offer you a bottle of Tabasco sauce but I do not think that Tabasco sauce and sh*t will go very well together;)


Aunt Jesse likes people joining the shit-in-pants club. Believe me, when properly done in public, it`s the most liberating experience ever, you literally don`t give a shit about anything after that. I wouldn`t exchange this for a crown.

mick silver
24th January 2011, 07:50 PM
Wanna go double or nothin' at $26?


OK we double it up. If Silver goes under 26 bucks an O.Z. I will eat a pair of old brown shoes.
how about my work boots oh ps i forgot i walk to the barn every morning were 50 cows are

Libertytree
24th January 2011, 07:53 PM
Wanna go double or nothin' at $26?


OK we double it up. If Silver goes under 26 bucks an O.Z. I will eat a pair of old brown shoes.


At this rate my friend you're gonna be nekkid and malnourished. ;D

Trinity
24th January 2011, 07:58 PM
Wanna go double or nothin' at $26?


OK we double it up. If Silver goes under 26 bucks an O.Z. I will eat a pair of old brown shoes.
how about my work boots


Ship em to me. Maybe I'll double up on the double up and eat two pairs of shoes if Silver continues to go lower. Are they leather?

Trinity
24th January 2011, 08:08 PM
Hugginator I really did think the 28 level would hold. Serious. I'm always super bullish on the metals to a fault probably. Now I'm just kidding around waiting for the bottom. Hey the only people who get hurt on these downturns are the goofs who go long paper not the physical buyers so anybody who is smart hasn't got hurt.

Libertytree
25th January 2011, 01:46 AM
What do ya think about a $25 level?

Neuro
25th January 2011, 02:44 AM
What do ya think about a $25 level?
I think we turn now at $26.50, never to look back! ;)

osoab
25th January 2011, 04:53 AM
What do ya think about a $25 level?
I think we turn now at $26.50, never to look back! ;)


Looks like we bounced @ 26.60 when the USD turned down. Did you polish your crystal ball last night?

http://www.finviz.com/fut_chart.ashx?t=DX&cot=098662&p=m5

http://www.finviz.com/fut_chart.ashx?t=SI&cot=084691&p=m5

Awoke
25th January 2011, 05:50 AM
Hugginator I really did think the 28 level would hold. Serious.

I'm with you. I never expected to see silver at sub -27 this soon.

Neuro
25th January 2011, 10:39 AM
What do ya think about a $25 level?
I think we turn now at $26.50, never to look back! ;)


Looks like we bounced @ 26.60 when the USD turned down. Did you polish your crystal ball last night?

http://www.finviz.com/fut_chart.ashx?t=DX&cot=098662&p=m5

http://www.finviz.com/fut_chart.ashx?t=SI&cot=084691&p=m5

Still looking good! ;) I felt inspired! Still early though...

Bullion_Bob
25th January 2011, 10:59 AM
Hugginator I really did think the 28 level would hold. Serious.

I'm with you. I never expected to see silver at sub -27 this soon.



I never expected China, the third largest producer in the world to be importing the hell out of it, and up 4 fold in consumption.

The gloves are off, and it only gets more exciting from here on in.

I wonder how long until the COMEX paper pushers get torched?

I just had two more shipments delayed on me. hrrrmmm...

Luis337
25th January 2011, 11:12 AM
I'm wondering if I should buy the dip.

chad
25th January 2011, 11:27 AM
I'm wondering if I should buy the dip.


BTFD!

Sparky
25th January 2011, 11:45 AM
I bought the dip today for a short term paper trade back to $28, but it looks like we'll be down to $21-$23 some time in 2011. So don't use all your dry powder on this dip. For dollar-cost-averaging accumulation, I'd recommend planning to buy at sub-$27 (now), sub-$25, and sub-$23.

Silver's such an untamed bitch that sub-$20 is not out of the question. (Don't forget the 2008 drop from $21 to $8.) However, $21-$23 seems like a reasonable floor since it was the previous longstanding ceiling.