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cortez
8th January 2011, 12:08 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

RJB
8th January 2011, 12:17 PM
Man those comments are harsh.

LuckyStrike
8th January 2011, 12:18 PM
Hell yeah.

willie pete
8th January 2011, 12:20 PM
wow....hope she makes it......I used to live not far from a Safeway in NW Tucson....I wonder...

AndreaGail
8th January 2011, 12:21 PM
reports coming in that she has died

Osaka
8th January 2011, 12:21 PM
11 people shot, 7 people shot, 4 reportedly killed. The congresswoman was shot in the head.

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 12:21 PM
the Tuscon Citizen newspaper was reporting that (U.S. Rep. Gabrielle) Giffords was shot in the head.

Arizona has always had open carry and recently repealed licensing for concealed carry, not to mention that Arizona is at the forefront of the illegal immigration conflict. This is not a good development for those concerned about where the country is headed.

I smell a rat. -Patrick Henry

LuckyStrike
8th January 2011, 12:23 PM
wow....hope she makes it.


Why a jewish marxist congresswomen? One of the last type of people who I would "hope" they made it.

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 12:29 PM
Witnesses described (the shooter) as in his late teens or early 20s.

What in the world would motivate a youngster to take such a radical action?

LuckyStrike
8th January 2011, 12:30 PM
Witnesses described (the shooter) as in his late teens or early 20s.

What in the world would motivate a youngster to take such a radical action?


I'm hoping thats rhetorical.

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 12:30 PM
wow....hope she makes it.


Why a jewish marxist congresswomen? One of the last type of people who I would "hope" they made it.


So...you're anxious to see the chaos break loose?

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 12:32 PM
Witnesses described (the shooter) as in his late teens or early 20s.

What in the world would motivate a youngster to take such a radical action?


I'm hoping thats rhetorical.


No, it was not.

Young men in their late teens/early 20s are the most easily programmed.

hoarder
8th January 2011, 12:32 PM
We need to crack down on domestic terrorism and ban guns. :sarc:

AndreaGail
8th January 2011, 12:34 PM
fox news calling for enhanced security around elected officials

they're making it sound like its more important to secure them than the border :oo-->

nunaem
8th January 2011, 12:37 PM
Watch out, 'streemists.

LuckyStrike
8th January 2011, 12:39 PM
Witnesses described (the shooter) as in his late teens or early 20s.

What in the world would motivate a youngster to take such a radical action?


I'm hoping thats rhetorical.


No, it was not.

Young men in their late teens/early 20s are the most easily programmed.


What in the world would make someone take this action?

How about this jew bitch voting to keep the wars going, for the bailouts (indebting US to HER jewish bretheren), against gun ownership for abortion etc etc.

Gee whiz, what would make someone reattach their balls and take action? She is such a pillar of our society.

I get tired as hell, everytime someone stands up, some of you say "controlled, shill" all this BULLSHIT meanwhile you sit back in your comfy computer chair and denounce anyone who actually does anything.

Don't get me wrong I am a keyboard kommando just like you, but the difference is I support those that take a stand.

LuckyStrike
8th January 2011, 12:40 PM
So...you're anxious to see the chaos break loose?


I'm anxious to see more jews leave our country.

The chaos will break lose one way or the other and it will be far better for us if jews aren't around when it does.

Shami-Amourae
8th January 2011, 12:44 PM
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RJB
8th January 2011, 12:46 PM
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Yeah, multiply those comments by 100. That's what it looks like over on CNN comment section. This is firing up the O-bots.

ShortJohnSilver
8th January 2011, 12:48 PM
So...you're anxious to see the chaos break loose?


I'm anxious to see more jews leave our country.

The chaos will break lose one way or the other and it will be far better for us if jews aren't around when it does.


Germany seems to be doing OK without 'em ...

LuckyStrike
8th January 2011, 12:49 PM
This is firing up the O-bots.


Good.

If only it was firing up the lovers of freedom instead of having a bunch of ******* limpwristed faggots crying over this rats death.

Pussies.

nunaem
8th January 2011, 12:53 PM
This is firing up the O-bots.


Good.

If only it was firing up the lovers of freedom instead of having a bunch of g*d* limpwristed *ag*ots crying over this rats death.

Pussies.


This will be a rainy day for the fair-weather patriots. The Tea Party will probably bend over backwards to condemn its own influence in politics.

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 12:58 PM
Witnesses described (the shooter) as in his late teens or early 20s.

What in the world would motivate a youngster to take such a radical action?


I'm hoping thats rhetorical.


No, it was not.

Young men in their late teens/early 20s are the most easily programmed.


What in the world would make someone take this action?

How about this jew bitch voting to keep the wars going, for the bailouts (indebting US to HER jewish bretheren), against gun ownership for abortion etc etc.

Gee whiz, what would make someone reattach their balls and take action? She is such a pillar of our society.

I get tired as hell, everytime someone stands up, some of you say "controlled, shill" all this BULLsh*t meanwhile you sit back in your comfy computer chair and denounce anyone who actually does anything.

Don't get me wrong I am a keyboard kommando just like you, but the difference is I support those that take a stand.


We're talking about a YOUNGSTER who has not yet fully formed any political opinions OF HIS OWN, but is rather fertile ground for utter BS, such as shooting people. I defy anyone to list any advantages this episode in Tucson today has for freedom loving gunowners and anyone else who just wants to be left the f alone - short term or long term, doesn't matter.

And don't be lumping me in with your own wannabe keyboard commando nonsense, I've seriously been in the fight for 22 years.

tater
8th January 2011, 01:04 PM
Says she's not dead yet (according to this link). Also the gunman was tackled and described as a teen or early twenties but no race mentioned. She was also (according to this link) wanting to crack down on illegal immigration. Hmmmm...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/01/08/2011-01-08_us_congresswoman_gabrielle_giffords_shot_in_ari zona_multiple_wounded.html

...Despite earlier reports that the Congresswoman was killed, Reuters and Politico reported that she is in surgery...

...The shooter, described as a man in his teens or early 20s, was tackled by a bystander as he ran from the scene, according to NPR...

...The Congresswoman is known for cracking down on illegal immigration, urging deployment of the National Guard and new technology to protect the Arizona border...

kregener
8th January 2011, 01:07 PM
Sorry this has happened.

Probably someone who was fed up with her statist/socialist tendencies.

LuckyStrike
8th January 2011, 01:07 PM
We're talking about a YOUNGSTER who has not yet fully formed any political opinions OF HIS OWN, but is rather fertile ground for utter BS, such as shooting people. I defy anyone to list any advantages this episode in Tucson today has for freedom loving gunowners and anyone else who just wants to be left the f alone - short term or long term, doesn't matter.

And don't be lumping me in with your own wannabe keyboard commando nonsense, I've seriously been in the fight for 22 years.


In the fight my ass dude you condemn those of serious actions. Don't fucking delude yourself into thinking had you been born around the time of the revolution that you wouldn't be a loyalist flying the union jack.

The advantage? Seriously?

The advantage (if the guy wasnt a nutjob like the V guy) is easily summed up by Thomas Jefferson (a radical who you shouldn't hold in high esteem, right comrade?)

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

For too damn long they have had their boots on our necks, spilled our blood in the streets as their enforcers routinely tase women, beat elderly people or just shoot them in the back, so we fear them because not fearing them might mean your life. They sure as shit don't fear us, when they rob us and future generations of TRILLIONS of dollars, when they send our young men to die in the sand, what do we do? Get on the internet and type type type.

Then when one of them does get killed, some here bend over backwards condemning this violence.

I say again, pussies.

Or more eloquently

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!"

keehah
8th January 2011, 01:16 PM
The reason I don't think NordicBerserker is a shill or discrediting agent, is because if so, he way overplays his hand at times like this when actions are taken that will be used to crush liberty of the American people.
I'm not really sure if I'm being sarcastic or not.

tater
8th January 2011, 01:17 PM
Ruhroh. White and fringe looking :o, whatever that is.

http://gawker.com/5728501/arizona-congresswoman-shot-outside-grocery-store

The gunman was young, mid-to-late 20s, white, clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing and said nothing during the shooting or while being held down, although he struggled at first. He was "not particularly well-dressed"; he didn't look like a businessman, but more of a "fringe character," Rayle said. The sheriff's department arrived, arrested the gunman and cordoned off the parking lot.

gunDriller
8th January 2011, 01:21 PM
"endorsing the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission"

+ she voted for Obama-care.

the innocent bystanders that were hit - that is a tragedy - but one that Michelle herself shares the responsibility for.

she is a traitor to her country-people, supporting a rigged system - how is her incapacitation a loss ?

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 01:21 PM
In the fight my ass dude you condemn those of serious actions.

You're a real joker. I was volunteering for the National Firearms Assoc. at gunshows in '89. I've done a number of other things in the political realm, things which resulted in real, measurable, quantitative results.

"Men think in herds, go mad in herds, but recover their senses one by one." -- Charles Mackay.

The battle is a battle for hearts and minds, won one heart and mind at a time. It isn't about violence, as violence only plays into the hands of those who have a monopoly on violence.

Also, those 'in the fight' end up taking licks, as in any other real fight. How many licks have you taken? How many times have you seen the inside of a jail?

No, you strike me as just another wannabe troublemaker sulking in your hidey-hole waiting for that one glorious day in the future where you will spring forth and set all the wrongs right.

keehah
8th January 2011, 01:22 PM
how is her incapacitation a loss ?

Because it will be used to crush liberty of the American people.

LuckyStrike
8th January 2011, 01:23 PM
The reason I don't think NordicBerserker is a shill or discrediting agent, is because if so, he way overplays his hand at times like this when actions are taken that will be used to crush liberty of the American people.





You give them WAY to much credit.

Certainly they don't let a crisis go to waste, does that mean actions should never be taken?

I love the people on here who are just stuck in a rut

"voting is stupid, it makes no difference"

"violence isn't the answer"

To me it seems as though some people just enjoy the bitching and moaning day in and day out. Me, I'm young, I want to see a light at the end of this tunnel, I don't want to be living under ZOG my entire life. I haven't given up, I guess some have.

LuckyStrike
8th January 2011, 01:24 PM
how is her incapacitation a loss ?

Because it will be used to crush liberty of the American people.



You're right we should vote traitors out of office. ::)

keehah
8th January 2011, 01:25 PM
Brute force pastsies do not beat ZOG, they feed ZOG.

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 01:27 PM
Brute force pastsies do not beat ZOG, they feed ZOG.


Indeed, this incident is like a gift on a silver platter for the corporatists.

LuckyStrike
8th January 2011, 01:28 PM
"endorsing the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission"

+ she voted for Obama-care.

the innocent bystanders that were hit - that is a tragedy - but one that Michelle herself shares the responsibility for.

she is a traitor to her country-people, supporting a rigged system - how is her incapacitation a loss ?


Finally a common sense voice of reason.

When a bad person dies, it's never a bad thing. They might try to use it as an excuse to ram through gun control, but they will do that sometime ANYONE gets killed.

This is where some seem to go wrong, they blame those who take action, and not the ones who attempt to capitalize on that action. It's like TPTB are invincible so we dare not speak or ever act against them, but stupid people who wake up and get fed up we just say "baaaaa, baaaaa get back down here with us, don't attack the master or he will send the dogs to bite our ankles, and herd us into a pen"

LuckyStrike
8th January 2011, 01:30 PM
Brute force pastsies do not beat ZOG, they feed ZOG.


I'm glad that you rush to judgement without knowing ANYTHING about the shooter but automatically it's "the government is in control, they control everything, we should never speak or act against the government"

gunDriller
8th January 2011, 01:32 PM
You're right we should vote traitors out of office. ::)


it's been such an effective policy :sarc:

wallew
8th January 2011, 01:32 PM
Are you READY FOR THE 'Gabbi Gibbons Gun Control Acts'? She WAS a BLUE DOG Democrat. She has put forth several bills. Like to limit a congressman's pay. SHE VOTED AGAINST PELOSI as the Minority House Leader. NOT YOUR NORMAL DEMOCRAT FOR SURE

And what do the facts tell you about this shooting.

15 shots fired.

Well, that's ONE MAGAZINE in any modern semi-auto pistol. And the shooter did NOT bring any RELOADS?

Really?

That tells me that this is NOT a member of the gun culture, nor has ANY REAL EXPERIENCE with guns. NO, XBOX or PLAYSTATION DO NOT COUNT.

If it HAD been a member of the gun culture, they would have had come loaded for bear.

THINK COLUMBINE where two teenage punks, LOADED FOR BEAR, killed about this many people. And they reloaded MANY TIMES.

So this is some one who picked up a loaded gun with no thoughts past emptying the ONE MAG he had in the gun?

Definitely NOT A GUNNIE by any means.

But this will be USED as the confiscation of our second amendment rights.

keehah
8th January 2011, 01:36 PM
http://skinny08.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/cover.jpg
Here is her wiki description: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle_Giffords

In her inaugural speech on the floor of the House of Representatives, Giffords advocated a comprehensive immigration reform package, including modern technology to secure the border, more border patrol agents, tough employer sanctions for businesses that knowingly hire illegal immigrants, and a guest-worker program. In her first month in office, Giffords voted in favor of increased federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research, raising the minimum wage, endorsing the 9/11 Commission recommendations, new rules for the House of Representatives targeting ethical issues, and the repeal of $14 billion of subsidies to big oil companies, in favor of renewable energy subsidies and the founding of the Strategic Renewable Energy Reserve.
During the 2007 session of Congress, Giffords introduced a bill (H.R. 1441) that forbids the sale of F-14 aircraft parts on the open market. She also voted for the contentious May 2007 Iraq Emergency Supplemental Spending bill, saying, "I cannot, in good conscience, allow the military to run out of money while American servicemen and women are being attacked every day".
Giffords is a member of the Blue Dog Coalition and the New Democrat Coalition. She is the only member of the U.S. Congress whose spouse, astronaut Mark E. Kelly, is an active duty member of the U.S. military. She is also known as a strong proponent of solar energy as well as for her work to secure the border with Mexico.


Anyone who attempts to argue this is the tip of the spear that deserves to be stopped at any cost is an agent (paid, controled or stupid) for those who would destroy freedom and drive many from the cause.

nunaem
8th January 2011, 01:41 PM
Believe it or not, brute force fought and won every revolution and war since the beginning of time.

kregener
8th January 2011, 01:41 PM
http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Gabby_Giffords.htm

Appears she never saw spending she did not drool over, or a liberal cause she did not support.

Indicates she has no understanding of free market/Austrian economics, is an eco-freak, 50/50 on gun issues, which is just as good as being dead wrong, FOR more border security while wanting to shovel MORE billions to the vast wasteland that is Mexico for the "War on Drugs.

If her stances indicate a "conservative" Demoblican, they can keep it.

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 01:50 PM
Brute force pastsies do not beat ZOG, they feed ZOG.


I'm glad that you rush to judgement without knowing ANYTHING about the shooter but automatically it's "the government is in control, they control everything, we should never speak or act against the government"


We know just enough about the shooter to conclude that he's definitely not on the side of freedom loving folks who just want to be left the fuk alone. Anyone who thinks this is good for the cause of liberty is a gd moron.

LuckyStrike
8th January 2011, 01:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySDa8wYgxN8&feature=player_embedded

AndreaGail
8th January 2011, 01:57 PM
http://www.theexaminingroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/boehnercrying.jpg

"Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society."

Shami-Amourae
8th January 2011, 01:57 PM
Hard to come to any conclusions until we know exactly who the shooter(s) is/are. Be careful what you say.


Also, US Federal Judge John Roll was one of the people shot. He was a Bush appointee.

AndreaGail
8th January 2011, 01:58 PM
shooter: 22 year old white male

keehah
8th January 2011, 01:59 PM
Believe it or not, brute force fought and won every revolution and war since the beginning of time.



While force may have been critical at some point to winning every revolution and war since the beginning of time, I think force working by reason is preffered over force not working by reason (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/brute), i.e. brute force.

But as you brutes point out, we don't know ANYTHING about what the killer's motive was. So your jumping the gun by attempt to make it part of your cause.

Shami-Amourae
8th January 2011, 02:00 PM
http://www.theexaminingroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/boehnercrying.jpg


"Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society."


I hate when they Photoshop pictures of Boehner. Here's a quick fix I did:

Book
8th January 2011, 02:01 PM
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0_wmsaXJKp0/2.jpg

Giffords' parents are Spencer J. Giffords and Gloria Kay Fraser Giffords. Giffords is Arizona's first Jewish Congresswoman.[42] She is a member of Congregation Chaverim in Tucson.

Book
8th January 2011, 02:02 PM
shooter: 22 year old white male



I'll bet a jew doctor prescribed his meds.

Shami-Amourae
8th January 2011, 02:05 PM
His name's Jared Laughner. Here's his YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10


I assume this is him:

nunaem
8th January 2011, 02:06 PM
http://www.theexaminingroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/boehnercrying.jpg


"Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society."


I hate when they Photoshop pictures of Boehner. Here's a quick fix I did:


Here he is with family:

LuckyStrike
8th January 2011, 02:08 PM
Believe it or not, brute force fought and won every revolution and war since the beginning of time.



While force may have been critical at some point to winning every revolution and war since the beginning of time, I think force working by reason is preffered over force not working by reason (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/brute), i.e. brute force.


The point is, sitting on an internet forum wishing and hoping things changed has never and will never foment any large scale societal change. Sure it will wake some people up, a couple percent of the population but in the grand scheme of things it's pointless.

You can see where simply voting has gotten us, bankrupt morally and financially as our society has been overrun by parasites.

The reality nobody wants to face is that force is the only language everyone understands, they use it against us EVERYDAY as they sit back in the ivory towers living the life of luxury while they steal our money and send our children to die.

This is the first time (that I know of) where someone actually went to the source, no Tim McVeigh or Joe Stack, but straight to the source.

The only thing which needs to be understood is this

"When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

Apparition
8th January 2011, 02:10 PM
Brute force pastsies do not beat ZOG, they feed ZOG.

I couldn't agree more.

Just thinking about this frightens me because I'm certain that the statists will use this as an excuse to expand the federal government's overeach into wherever they can.

Anyone remember the phrase "Don't let a crisis go to waste" or something similar?

woodman
8th January 2011, 02:14 PM
His name's Jared Laughner. Here's his YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10


I assume this is him:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/222096229.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1294522084&Signature=oD7rmrgFNsSKFwJVVrU7ugHjjNs%3D


Thanks Shami. I looked through a couple of his vids. Not much sense. Is he related to Matt Marriot? It seems he was very ill, as if we didn't know that already.

keehah
8th January 2011, 02:15 PM
His linked favourite on 'his' youtube channel: A hooded guy with trash bag pants and a tinfoil mask cutting up the American flag, then setting it on fire, to the tune of "Let the bodies hit the floor"
Starts with text bubble: "You didn't know B.C.E. isn't starting?" on the flag.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/f/0/3L1lsLU-kUw

Rebel Yarr
8th January 2011, 02:15 PM
examine his message - Listener....

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/u/1/nHoaZaLbqB4

"No! I won't pay debt in a currency that's not backed by gold and silver"

"No! I wont trust in God"

What I get from his message is - it is all a scam - it is all made up. You create your own religion, currency ect. you don't have to use/take the establishments.

Gaillo
8th January 2011, 02:23 PM
examine his message - Listener....

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/u/1/nHoaZaLbqB4

"No! I won't pay debt in a currency that's not backed by gold and silver"

"No! I wont trust in God"


This is NOT good... a mix of rambling nonsense with phrases and thoughts any GS-US member would recognize as valid "core belief" stuff. He talks about the .gov being illegitimate, gold and silver being real money, and the power of money creation - but mixes it with rambling idiocy and nonsense.

Expect to see this spun against people like us - this is NOT good. :o

On a side note... I wonder if he was a forum member here?

Hatha Sunahara
8th January 2011, 02:24 PM
I don't think shooting politicians will change anything. All our politicians are selected and owned by TPTB who pull all their strings. Certainly any politician who goes against the will of TPTB will see their careers die.

The kid who did this shooting is most likely a manchurian candidate, groomed by some black-ops organization, probably private, and paid not by the US government, but by agents of TPTB. We should all be ready for an onslaught of propaganda in a frenzy to establish gun control.

Would not be surprising to discover soon that the shooter was on some SSRI inhibitor drug like Prozac, and was told to stop taking the meds abruptly, then told where to go and who to shoot. What you will NOT hear or read about is any story from the shooter himself. The shooter may himself meet an unfortunate end. Lots of ways to keep a lid on the truth.

Hatha

keehah
8th January 2011, 02:25 PM
This was also part of the text: "Jared Loughner is a United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix"

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 02:26 PM
examine his message - Listener....

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/u/1/nHoaZaLbqB4

"No! I won't pay debt in a currency that's not backed by gold and silver"

"No! I wont trust in God"


Good lord! What a whack job!

kregener
8th January 2011, 02:27 PM
His favorite books, from the link.
A couple jump at you.


Books:
I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

Horn
8th January 2011, 02:28 PM
Just heard the shooter mentioned Gold & Silver...

Rebel Yarr
8th January 2011, 02:28 PM
Naw I think he is legit... he is pointing out - (reposting as edited a fast moving post...)

What I get from his message is - it is all a scam - it is all made up. You create your own religion, currency ect. you don't have to use/take the establishments.

Hence the "dream" sleepwalking - not awake stuff...has a video dedicated to create your own currency ect...

I think he is brilliant for a kid - perhaps a bit out of balance with no "role models" to guide him - but pretty good presentation/expression in his vids.

Mad_Max
8th January 2011, 02:30 PM
They yanked his myspace account quick..

Horn
8th January 2011, 02:33 PM
examine his message - Listener....

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/u/1/nHoaZaLbqB4

"No! I won't pay debt in a currency that's not backed by gold and silver"

"No! I wont trust in God"


This is NOT good... a mix of rambling nonsense with phrases and thoughts any GS-US member would recognize as valid "core belief" stuff. He talks about the .gov being illegitimate, gold and silver being real money, and the power of money creation - but mixes it with rambling idiocy and nonsense.

Expect to see this spun against people like us - this is NOT good. :o

On a side note... I wonder if he was a forum member here?


Yeah, not good at all.

Shami-Amourae
8th January 2011, 02:35 PM
Look at the tags for this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQvIDk5lgDg


Sigh...

madfranks
8th January 2011, 02:36 PM
Brute force pastsies do not beat ZOG, they feed ZOG.

I couldn't agree more.

Just thinking about this frightens me because I'm certain that the statists will use this as an excuse to expand the federal government's overeach into wherever they can.

Anyone remember the phrase "Don't let a crisis go to waste" or something similar?


So we either do nothing and let them slowly push us further into their NWO satanic agenda, or we actively resist and they clamp down harder. Either way they win, it's either going to be slow and steady or fast and sudden.

For what it's worth, I'm with Nordic, the government MUST fear the people, not the other way around. I know trying to change things via the established system will never work; it's been set up to be impotent for you and me. What else does this leave us with? Active and real resistance. There will be more of this in the future as real people decide they'd rather make a last stand on their feet than submit and die on their knees.

EDIT: I just read Gaillo's response above and I really hope this is not a set up. Shit. If this is a false flag than there's nothing good in it for any of us.

Horn
8th January 2011, 02:37 PM
Dollar positive.

woodman
8th January 2011, 02:37 PM
Naw I think he is legit... he is pointing out - (reposting as edited a fast moving post...)

What I get from his message is - it is all a scam - it is all made up. You create your own religion, currency ect. you don't have to use/take the establishments.

Hence the "dream" sleepwalking - not awake stuff...has a video dedicated to create your own currency ect...

I think he is brilliant for a kid - perhaps a bit out of balance with no "role models" to guide him - but pretty good presentation/expression in his vids.




When people speak in barely coherent riddles and as if you should be privy to their half-expressed ramblings, then you know they are ill.

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 02:39 PM
After viewing this kid's videos I'm left with the very strong impression that he's been programmed. My high weirdness meter is pegged. This won't be a passing thing, they will get a ton of mileage out of this. Totally planned and manipulated IMO.

drafter
8th January 2011, 02:42 PM
This whole thing stinks like Tim McVeigh all over again. The "patriot" movement was full steam ahead until the whole Oklahoma Bombing/Daycare baby killer event that fixed that.
Now the "patriot" movement is back to a level of pretty extreme disgust with the government and "Big Sister". What better to take them down a notch than another "baby killer" event. Well lo and behold we have exactly that. You almost couldn't write a better script to promote the government propoganda that is going to have the plublic at large cheering the government as it stomps it's boot on the head of anything deemed "anti-government". Pretty crazy stuff.

TheNocturnalEgyptian
8th January 2011, 02:43 PM
I'm with the "conspiracy to further restrict freedoms" opinion.

That being said, I do believe that everyone deserves the protection of the common law. Those individuals shot today did not first make a violent act against another - therefore this shooting was not in self defense - and was therefore wrong.

Shami-Amourae
8th January 2011, 02:43 PM
Yeah, this is total Timothy McVeigh, Manchurian Candidate. We expected these false flags to come anyways.

Horn
8th January 2011, 02:46 PM
I thought it could be spun against her proposed bill for a 5% congressional pay cut, but it doesn't seem to be going that way.

Mad_Max
8th January 2011, 02:46 PM
He's just a normal citizen that was spooked by fireworks, or maybe the cold weather.

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 02:47 PM
Brute force pastsies do not beat ZOG, they feed ZOG.

I couldn't agree more.

Just thinking about this frightens me because I'm certain that the statists will use this as an excuse to expand the federal government's overeach into wherever they can.

Anyone remember the phrase "Don't let a crisis go to waste" or something similar?


So we either do nothing and let them slowly push us further into their NWO satanic agenda, or we actively resist and they clamp down harder. Either way they win, it's either going to be slow and steady or fast and sudden.

For what it's worth, I'm with Nordic, the government MUST fear the people, not the other way around. I know trying to change things via the established system will never work; it's been set up to be impotent for you and me. What else does this leave us with? Active and real resistance. There will be more of this in the future as real people decide they'd rather make a last stand on their feet than submit and die on their knees.

EDIT: I just read Gaillo's response above and I really hope this is not a set up. sh*t. If this is a false flag than there's nothing good in it for any of us.


While I firmly believe that "The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun" - violence is what the competition wants. They have a monopoly on it, they thrive upon it. Employing violence against them only furthers their agenda (as evidenced by this bs today). Anyone who thinks that violence gives them pause is a fool, imo. Violence is what they do, they encourage it.

Non-violent non-compliance is what they are TRULY concerned about, because there is very little which they can do about that.

LuckyStrike
8th January 2011, 02:49 PM
Non-violent non-compliance is what they are TRULY concerned about, because there is very little which they can do about that.


Very little they need to do about that.

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 02:54 PM
Non-violent non-compliance is what they are TRULY concerned about, because there is very little which they can do about that.


Very little they need to do about that.


Apparently you're willfully ignorant. The fact of the matter is they run from it. If you were to listen in to Rod Class on Tues. and Fri. nites, or listen to the archives, then you'd know that. Look at the successes Marc Stevens has.

And apparently you also think that violence is the solution to everything as it appears that's all you know. It's not.

And FWIW, you never answered my inquiry as to how many licks you've taken while being 'in the fight', so I'm guessing you're just a loud mouth spectator and not actually a participant.

nunaem
8th January 2011, 02:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H0guC-2q4U&feature=sub

LuckyStrike
8th January 2011, 03:06 PM
And FWIW, you never answered my inquiry as to how many licks you've taken while being 'in the fight',


If your inquiry deserved a response it would've gotten one.



http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/WatashiWaGenkiDesu/Funny/Internettoughguy.jpg
::)

I assume this is you, talking to someone online about your "stolen" dogs?

JDRock
8th January 2011, 03:11 PM
wow....hope she makes it.


Why a jewish marxist congresswomen? One of the last type of people who I would "hope" they made it.


was she a sheenie nordic? if so this will be spun as a hate crime..

LuckyStrike
8th January 2011, 03:13 PM
was she a sheenie nordic? if so this will be spun as a hate crime..


Indeed, thankfully never watching TV or listening to the radio I will be shielded from the bombardment of BS that will undoubtedly spew for months.

old steel
8th January 2011, 03:14 PM
Profile

Name:
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I attended school: Thornydale elementary,Tortolita Middle School, Mountain View Highschool, Northwest Aztec Middle College, and Pima Community College.
Interests:
My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar. Conscience dreams were a great study in college!
Movies:
(*My idiom: I could coin the moment!*)
Music:
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Books:
I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.



Everything is written in past tense.

Brent
8th January 2011, 03:15 PM
wow....hope she makes it.


Why a jewish marxist congresswomen? One of the last type of people who I would "hope" they made it.


was she a sheenie nordic? if so this will be spun as a hate crime..


I doubt the guy was a "Neo-Nazi" though or we would have already heard about it and his facebook/myspace would be presented for all to see how "evil" the "racists" are.

Will be interesting to see how this turns out though.

madfranks
8th January 2011, 03:15 PM
Brute force pastsies do not beat ZOG, they feed ZOG.

I couldn't agree more.

Just thinking about this frightens me because I'm certain that the statists will use this as an excuse to expand the federal government's overeach into wherever they can.

Anyone remember the phrase "Don't let a crisis go to waste" or something similar?


So we either do nothing and let them slowly push us further into their NWO satanic agenda, or we actively resist and they clamp down harder. Either way they win, it's either going to be slow and steady or fast and sudden.

For what it's worth, I'm with Nordic, the government MUST fear the people, not the other way around. I know trying to change things via the established system will never work; it's been set up to be impotent for you and me. What else does this leave us with? Active and real resistance. There will be more of this in the future as real people decide they'd rather make a last stand on their feet than submit and die on their knees.

EDIT: I just read Gaillo's response above and I really hope this is not a set up. sh*t. If this is a false flag than there's nothing good in it for any of us.


While I firmly believe that "The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun" - violence is what the competition wants. They have a monopoly on it, they thrive upon it. Employing violence against them only furthers their agenda (as evidenced by this bs today). Anyone who thinks that violence gives them pause is a fool, imo. Violence is what they do, they encourage it.

Non-violent non-compliance is what they are TRULY concerned about, because there is very little which they can do about that.


I quickly read up on Marc Stevens as you mentioned him as a success story in the field of non-violent non-compliance. But like Nordic just mentioned, why would any of the true rulers of this country care about that? That makes no difference to their goals whatsoever. Marc Stevens is not stopping the NWO. Non-violent resistance is good for the individual but you'll never convince the majority of Americans to stop paying their taxes, stop paying their traffic tickets, stop complying with the system. That will never, ever happen. However, the human leaders of the world are mortal just like any of us and (forgive me for being crude, but) a bullet to their head will kill them just as well as when one of their agents puts a bullet through ours. I am not advocating the shooting of elected officials and I am not condoning what looks like the false-flag psycho killer who just did in the congresswoman. What I'm saying is that when it comes to TPTB and their NWO agenda, they really don't care if the few who would stand up and actively fight do or don't, and they certainly don't care about a handful of non-violent resistors. Either way they get their NWO. All I'm saying is that in the future as people get pressed harder and harder, some will rather pull out a gun and fight to the death. Maybe this guy was one of them, but based on the current analysis of his bizarre background, probably not.

JDRock
8th January 2011, 03:16 PM
i heard a congressman and a federal judge were killed....were any AMERICANS hurt??

LuckyStrike
8th January 2011, 03:17 PM
I doubt the guy was a "Neo-Nazi"



I highly doubt it to, I assume he is just some guy on (prescription) drugs who thinks he is in a movie. From what I can see from his alleged writings he sounds like a nut quite similar to the V guy.

learn2swim
8th January 2011, 03:18 PM
i heard a congressman and a federal judge were killed....were any AMERICANS hurt??


LOL, that was good! :D

learn2swim
8th January 2011, 03:21 PM
Boy, he just joined youtube back in Oct. You can't make any comments on his videos. Of course, he mentions gold and silver, sounds like another false flag, mind controlled psy-op. Who uses their first, middle and last name on a youtube channel?

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 03:37 PM
And FWIW, you never answered my inquiry as to how many licks you've taken while being 'in the fight',


If your inquiry deserved a response it would've gotten one.



http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/WatashiWaGenkiDesu/Funny/Internettoughguy.jpg
::)

I assume this is you, talking to someone online about your "stolen" dogs?



Of course I'd say it to you face. If you have doubts about my candor I suggest you ask GoD what he thinks about my frankness. GoD is as salty as anyone I know, you will do well to be half as salty as GoD.

FYI, I was in court recently, and after advising the judge that I was reserving all my rights, challenging jurisdiction and prohibiting him from entering a plea on my behalf he advised me, "No one is forcing you to do anything." And because he told me that I thanked him as I bid him good day. What's notable is that these jokers are absolutely terrified of anyone standing up for themselves on the state's turf - the bailiff not only had the requisite sidearm, he had FOUR hi-cap mags protruding off the front of his Sam Brown as well as a Taser pain compliance device. It was purely theater, an illusion, no different than in the Wizard of Oz. This was in a courthouse where everyone has to go through a metal detector and a pat-down before entering. I'm telling you, they are terrified of us, and we needn't do anything other than (competently) refusing to go along with their nonsense.

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 03:39 PM
Brute force pastsies do not beat ZOG, they feed ZOG.

I couldn't agree more.

Just thinking about this frightens me because I'm certain that the statists will use this as an excuse to expand the federal government's overeach into wherever they can.

Anyone remember the phrase "Don't let a crisis go to waste" or something similar?


So we either do nothing and let them slowly push us further into their NWO satanic agenda, or we actively resist and they clamp down harder. Either way they win, it's either going to be slow and steady or fast and sudden.

For what it's worth, I'm with Nordic, the government MUST fear the people, not the other way around. I know trying to change things via the established system will never work; it's been set up to be impotent for you and me. What else does this leave us with? Active and real resistance. There will be more of this in the future as real people decide they'd rather make a last stand on their feet than submit and die on their knees.

EDIT: I just read Gaillo's response above and I really hope this is not a set up. sh*t. If this is a false flag than there's nothing good in it for any of us.


While I firmly believe that "The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun" - violence is what the competition wants. They have a monopoly on it, they thrive upon it. Employing violence against them only furthers their agenda (as evidenced by this bs today). Anyone who thinks that violence gives them pause is a fool, imo. Violence is what they do, they encourage it.

Non-violent non-compliance is what they are TRULY concerned about, because there is very little which they can do about that.


I quickly read up on Marc Stevens as you mentioned him as a success story in the field of non-violent non-compliance. But like Nordic just mentioned, why would any of the true rulers of this country care about that? That makes no difference to their goals whatsoever. Marc Stevens is not stopping the NWO. Non-violent resistance is good for the individual but you'll never convince the majority of Americans to stop paying their taxes, stop paying their traffic tickets, stop complying with the system. That will never, ever happen. However, the human leaders of the world are mortal just like any of us and (forgive me for being crude, but) a bullet to their head will kill them just as well as when one of their agents puts a bullet through ours. I am not advocating the shooting of elected officials and I am not condoning what looks like the false-flag psycho killer who just did in the congresswoman. What I'm saying is that when it comes to TPTB and their NWO agenda, they really don't care if the few who would stand up and actively fight do or don't, and they certainly don't care about a handful of non-violent resistors. Either way they get their NWO. All I'm saying is that in the future as people get pressed harder and harder, some will rather pull out a gun and fight to the death. Maybe this guy was one of them, but based on the current analysis of his bizarre background, probably not.


What we find ourselves in is strictly a spiritual battle, and unless and until you see that you will remain lost and helpless, without any hope whatsoever. How pathetic.

The tide is turning, and I submit the reason you don't see this is because you're not on the frontlines.

Perspective is everything. What you see is what you get. Believe and receive, doubt and do without. "Whether you think you can or whether you think you cannot, either way you're probably right." -Henry Ford

Violence initiated against the meatshields and lackeys will ALWAYS be played to their advantage. Even if you were hellbent for leather to get to one of 'the top' you will NEVER accomplish that. What's a few casualties to them? Absolutely nothing. They only end up using them for propaganda purposes, in fact I submit their meatshields and lackeys are worth more to them death than alive.

If your heart's desire is to be cannon fodder, then knock yourself out. As for me, I've been in a genuine sh*t blizzard before, so no thanks.

palani
8th January 2011, 03:48 PM
Who uses their first, middle and last name on a youtube channel?
Wasn't it Mel Gibson in Consipiracy Theory who suggested that assassins always used three names?

kregener
8th January 2011, 03:50 PM
Yeah, but I beat him to it by about 2 years.

madfranks
8th January 2011, 03:55 PM
FYI, I was in court recently, and after advising the judge that I was reserving all my rights, challenging jurisdiction and prohibiting him from entering a plea on my behalf he advised me, "No one is forcing you to do anything." And because he told me that I thanked him as I bid him good day. What's notable is that these jokers are absolutely terrified of anyone standing up for themselves on the state's turf - the bailiff not only had the requisite sidearm, he had FOUR hi-cap mags protruding off the front of his Sam Brown as well as a Taser pain compliance device. It was purely theater, an illusion, no different than in the Wizard of Oz. This was in a courthouse where everyone has to go through a metal detector and a pat-down before entering. I'm telling you, they are terrified of us, and we needn't do anything other than (competently) refusing to go along with their nonsense.


I congratulate you, but like I said, you'll never, ever get the majority of Americans to go with you on this. I really am glad this is working out for you, but the Patriot Act still passed, the bank bailouts still happened, and Obamacare still passed, even though you were engaging in non-violent resistance.

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 04:05 PM
FYI, I was in court recently, and after advising the judge that I was reserving all my rights, challenging jurisdiction and prohibiting him from entering a plea on my behalf he advised me, "No one is forcing you to do anything." And because he told me that I thanked him as I bid him good day. What's notable is that these jokers are absolutely terrified of anyone standing up for themselves on the state's turf - the bailiff not only had the requisite sidearm, he had FOUR hi-cap mags protruding off the front of his Sam Brown as well as a Taser pain compliance device. It was purely theater, an illusion, no different than in the Wizard of Oz. This was in a courthouse where everyone has to go through a metal detector and a pat-down before entering. I'm telling you, they are terrified of us, and we needn't do anything other than (competently) refusing to go along with their nonsense.



I congratulate you, but like I said, you'll never, ever get the majority of Americans to go with you on this. I really am glad this is working out for you, but the Patriot Act still passed, the bank bailouts still happened, and Obamacare still passed, even though you were engaging in non-violent resistance.


It appears you're not getting it. I'm not resisting anything.

And I don't care what the rest of the world does - there is nothing I can do about that, so why should I be concerned? All I have control over is my little corner of the world, and due to the nature of the universe my control over my little corner of the world is complete and absolute. It is an awesome responsibility, but apparently that's what people have lost sight of - the illusion has them befuddled.

What I would suggest you be concerned with is persuading those around you to make the transition into cognizance by witnessing to them over time. It's the only way you're going to get traction, IMO.

"Men think in herds, go mad in herds, but recover their senses one by one." -Charles McKay

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 04:21 PM
Death toll: six including a Federal judge. The gungrabbers and control freaks will have a heyday with this. IMO the shooter HAD to be a mind control subject.

So make very close observations, this is what a mind control subject looks and acts like.

wallew
8th January 2011, 04:27 PM
I congratulate you, but like I said, you'll never, ever get the majority of Americans to go with you on this. I really am glad this is working out for you, but the Patriot Act still passed, the bank bailouts still happened, and Obamacare still passed, even though you were engaging in non-violent resistance.


mf,

Please don't tell me you actually believe that a majority of colonists were behind becoming the USA breaking away from England and forming our own nation.

Nothing could be further from the truth. 5% of the population FOUGHT the Brits. Another 5% supported those who fought. Fortunately for us, of the 5% of those that supported the original Revolutionary war were those who also founded this nation.

5% mf. If 5% of 330 million Americans stood up and went, "Now wait just one darn minute there pilgrim", that's over 15 million people and if another five percent supported that movement, it would total over 30 million folks.

That's a bunch of folks to deal with.

just sayin

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 04:30 PM
I congratulate you, but like I said, you'll never, ever get the majority of Americans to go with you on this. I really am glad this is working out for you, but the Patriot Act still passed, the bank bailouts still happened, and Obamacare still passed, even though you were engaging in non-violent resistance.


mf,

Please don't tell me you actually believe that 100% of colonists were behind becoming a nation.

Nothing could be further from the truth. 5% of the population FOUGHT the Brits. Another 5% supported those who fought. Fortunately for us, of the 5% of those that supported the original Revolutionary war were those who also founded this nation.

5% mf. If 5% of 330 million Americans stood up and went, "Now wait just one darn minute there pilgrim", that's over 15 million people and if another five percent supported that movement, it would total over 30 million folks.

That's a bunch of folks to deal with.

just sayin


All it would take would be that 15M (or even a fraction of that) saying, "Go away, leave us alone, we're not going to go along with your nonsense any more." That, along with keeping their liberty sticks handy.

Are you aware that a mere 80,000 people forced the repeal of Prohibition?

madfranks
8th January 2011, 04:41 PM
I congratulate you, but like I said, you'll never, ever get the majority of Americans to go with you on this. I really am glad this is working out for you, but the Patriot Act still passed, the bank bailouts still happened, and Obamacare still passed, even though you were engaging in non-violent resistance.


mf,

Please don't tell me you actually believe that a majority of colonists were behind becoming the USA breaking away from England and forming our own nation.

Nothing could be further from the truth. 5% of the population FOUGHT the Brits. Another 5% supported those who fought. Fortunately for us, of the 5% of those that supported the original Revolutionary war were those who also founded this nation.

5% mf. If 5% of 330 million Americans stood up and went, "Now wait just one darn minute there pilgrim", that's over 15 million people and if another five percent supported that movement, it would total over 30 million folks.

That's a bunch of folks to deal with.

just sayin


Wallew, I think you misunderstand. I was saying that you'll never get the majority of Americans to engage in non-violent non-compliance, like not paying taxes, not paying traffic tickets, etc. As long as the elite keep slowly boiling us like the frog, you'll never see enough people willing to resist at all. But if things fall apart, out of the hands of the rulers; and if we're talking violent, open resistance; and if 5% of Americans decided to participate, that's a different story.

ShortJohnSilver
8th January 2011, 04:44 PM
ABC News (spit) is already with the conservatives/anti-immigrants are the reason she was shot.

Judge hardly mentioned.

Twitter feed of someone who knew him:

http://twitter.com/caitieparker

2006/07 - kid had alcohol poisoning (meaning kid was about 17 and heavy drinker)
was very liberal (not conservative or Repub),

"I haven't seen him since '07. Then, he was left wing."
"he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical."
"he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class"

etc. etc.

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 04:48 PM
I congratulate you, but like I said, you'll never, ever get the majority of Americans to go with you on this. I really am glad this is working out for you, but the Patriot Act still passed, the bank bailouts still happened, and Obamacare still passed, even though you were engaging in non-violent resistance.


mf,

Please don't tell me you actually believe that a majority of colonists were behind becoming the USA breaking away from England and forming our own nation.

Nothing could be further from the truth. 5% of the population FOUGHT the Brits. Another 5% supported those who fought. Fortunately for us, of the 5% of those that supported the original Revolutionary war were those who also founded this nation.

5% mf. If 5% of 330 million Americans stood up and went, "Now wait just one darn minute there pilgrim", that's over 15 million people and if another five percent supported that movement, it would total over 30 million folks.

That's a bunch of folks to deal with.

just sayin


Wallew, I think you misunderstand. I was saying that you'll never get the majority of Americans to engage in non-violent non-compliance, like not paying taxes, not paying traffic tickets, etc. As long as the elite keep slowly boiling us like the frog, you'll never see enough people willing to resist at all. But if things fall apart, out of the hands of the rulers; and if we're talking violent, open resistance; and if 5% of Americans decided to participate, that's a different story.


What do you think dot gov is gearing up for? They WANT violent conflict in CONUS, which is why they're actively and very intentionally creating a witch's brew, with all the necessary contingency plans in place. Are you going to assist the competition by giving them exactly what they want?? If you genuinely wish to foil their plans then you work to undermine their plans and intentions.

Like I posted earlier, violence is their specialty, they have a monopoly on it, and they have perfected it to the degree that absolutely no other country in the world can manage to place a close second in the field of violence. Violence is their gig, and pretty much their only gig. Read, study, and contemplate Sun Tzu. Put Sun Tzu's teachings to use. That's the only way to approach the situation.

"To have 100 victories in 100 battles is not the acme of skill. To win without fighting is the acme of skill." --Master Sun

Horn
8th January 2011, 04:53 PM
So is the Tea Party the culprit, yet.

Or is it such as internet bloggers on Gold & Silver sites.

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 04:55 PM
ABC News (spit) is already with the conservatives/anti-immigrants are the reason she was shot.

Judge hardly mentioned.

Twitter feed of someone who knew him:

http://twitter.com/caitieparker

2006/07 - kid had alcohol poisoning (meaning kid was about 17 and heavy drinker)
was very liberal (not conservative or Repub),

"I haven't seen him since '07. Then, he was left wing."
"he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical."
"he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class"

etc. etc.


Sounds to me like the perfect candidate for mind control, lost and adrift.

drafter
8th January 2011, 04:56 PM
"The politician, Arizona’s first Jewish member of Congress, who in November narrowly won re-election to a third term, was hosting her first ‘Congress on Your Corner’ event in Tucson."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345413/Gabrielle-Giffords-shot-Congresswoman-fighting-life-Arizona-gunman-identified-Jared-Laughner.html#ixzz1AUVCGK99


They never miss an opportunity to remind us.

PatColo
8th January 2011, 05:36 PM
Books:
I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.


Conspicuously absent is "The Catcher In The Rye" (http://www.henrymakow.com/catcher_in_the_rye.html).

Tumbleweed
8th January 2011, 06:00 PM
Never go to the grocery store with out your gun or anywhere else for that matter. You never know when someone might start shooting at you and you need to be able to shoot back.

StreetsOfGold
8th January 2011, 06:35 PM
I'm anxious to see more jews leave our country.
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If the Jews knew their Bible they would all be going back (Psalms 53:6)

StreetsOfGold
8th January 2011, 06:46 PM
"No! I wont trust in God"




It's a Good day to be saved and a believer in Jesus Christ. No way to associate HIM with the likes of me or other Christians.

LuckyStrike
8th January 2011, 06:48 PM
If the Jews knew their Bible they would all be going back (Psalms 53:6)


If you knew the Scripture you would know the jews are not the descendants of Jacob.

Book
8th January 2011, 07:17 PM
Non-violent non-compliance is what they are TRULY concerned about, because there is very little which they can do about that.



Very little they need to do about that.



http://sfappeal.com/alley/images/protest-crap.jpg

Exactly. At one point our Founding Fathers finally stopped petitioning the government and started shooting at the government...lol.

Book
8th January 2011, 07:27 PM
This was in a courthouse where everyone has to go through a metal detector and a pat-down before entering. I'm telling you, they are terrified of us, and we needn't do anything other than (competently) refusing to go along with their nonsense.



http://www.securitygeneration.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/tsa-grope.jpg

You did what you were told. Fly much?

:oo-->

Cebu_4_2
8th January 2011, 07:32 PM
Doees anyone think it strange that he is still alive? No police brutality etc?

EE_
8th January 2011, 08:18 PM
I heard one government corespondent on TV say "he spoke of gold and liberty...this is clearly a deranged individual" :conf:

Sounds like we're going to kick off a bigger version of if you see something or hear something, tell...focusing on gold buying liberty loving deranged individuals?

BrewTech
8th January 2011, 08:34 PM
After viewing this kid's videos I'm left with the very strong impression that he's been programmed. My high weirdness meter is pegged. This won't be a passing thing, they will get a ton of mileage out of this. Totally planned and manipulated IMO.


The person who wrote the text for at least the video that I saw does not speak English natively... I doubt this kid wrote any of it. This kid's identity and online persona was manufactured, much like all the other "lone wolf extremists" whose actions have led to further loss of liberty for those of us that want to be left alone to peacefully pursue our own happiness.

This was not some kid fed up with the system and taking action. This was another P-R-S false flag.

And yes, the "solution" to the "problem" will be revealed to us very soon. So soon, in fact, that some may wonder whether the "solution" existed prior to the crime.

cedarchopper
8th January 2011, 08:43 PM
The PTB have been tightening the control grid for years, this one act may be used as justification for even more tightening, but nothing that wasn't in the works already. They are doing what they are going to do...any crisis is their opportunity. We'll see what happens...let them go full blown lockdown...see how that works out for them.

BrewTech
8th January 2011, 08:59 PM
Boy, he just joined youtube back in Oct. You can't make any comments on his videos. Of course, he mentions gold and silver, sounds like another false flag, mind controlled psy-op. Who uses their first, middle and last name on a youtube channel?
That and the fact that the profile mentioned previous was indeed written in the past tense (even though the guy claims to have studied grammar... and his written English at times reads like someone for whom English is a second language)

Maybe he was supposed to die during the attack...

Book
8th January 2011, 09:09 PM
I doubt this kid wrote any of it.



Good point. Even more suspicious that the video does not contain his face or voice. Just text that any psy-op government guy could write impersonating him. Nobody makes a Youtube video of just text...

:dunno

Libertytree
8th January 2011, 09:15 PM
CBS was reporting that he had been seen with a man approx 50 years old, when I went to the page for the link and text it was poofed.

nunaem
8th January 2011, 09:23 PM
CBS was reporting that he had been seen with a man approx 50 years old, when I went to the page for the link and text it was poofed.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/7372642.html


At a news conference Saturday evening, Dupnik said there was "some reason to believe" that the suspect in custody did not act alone. Officials said they were seeking a second suspect, a 50-year-old, white male.

EDIT: fixed link

Libertytree
8th January 2011, 09:28 PM
CBS was reporting that he had been seen with a man approx 50 years old, when I went to the page for the link and text it was poofed.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/7372642.html


At a news conference Saturday evening, Dupnik said there was "some reason to believe" that the suspect in custody did not act alone. Officials said they were seeking a second suspect, a 50-year-old, white male.l


Ya better check that link, it's dead.

nunaem
8th January 2011, 09:35 PM
Shooting suspect Jared Loughner may have posted anti-government messages :plll (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-01-08-jared-loughner_N.htm)

keehah
8th January 2011, 09:35 PM
Its also the New York Times, from Reuters.

NewYork Times: 2nd Suspect Sought in Arizona Shooting (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09giffords.html)

Eric Thayer/Reuters
Six of the victims died, among them John M. Roll, the chief judge for the United States District Court for Arizona, and a 9-year-old girl, the Pima County sheriff, Clarence W. Dupnik, said.

A 22-year-old suspect was in custody, law enforcement officials said. But at a Saturday evening news conference, investigators said they were looking for an accomplice, believed to be in his 50s, who may have assisted in the attack.

Ms. Giffords, 40, who the authorities said was the target of the attack..

President Obama said at a news conference that the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Robert S. Mueller III, was on his way to Arizona to oversee the investigation.

Investigators identified the gunman as Jared Lee Loughner, 22, and said that he was refusing to cooperate with the authorities and had invoked his Fifth Amendment rights.

Pima Community College said Mr. Loughner had been suspended for conduct violations and withdrew in October after five instances of classroom or library disruptions that involved the campus police.

The authorities were seen entering the Loughner family house about five miles from the shooting scene — an unincorporated area north of Tucson...

Ms. Giffords had been talking to a couple about Medicare and reimbursements, and Judge Roll had just walked up to her and shouted “Hi,” when the gunman, wearing sunglasses and perhaps a hood of some sort, approached and shot the judge, Mr. Kimble said.

Watching his youtube videos earlier today I was suprised they only had about 317 views.
Now they have over 200,000!

BrewTech
8th January 2011, 09:40 PM
What amazes me (sarc) is how many people can be found and interviewed and how much detailed information can be "discovered" in such a short period of time following these type of incidents.

:oo-->

Book
8th January 2011, 09:49 PM
What amazes me (sarc) is how many people can be found and interviewed and how much detailed information can be "discovered" in such a short period of time following these type of incidents.



"There's reason to believe this individual may have a mental issue," Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik told reporters Saturday night.

Maybe not...lol. (http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting.suspect/)

:D

Libertytree
8th January 2011, 09:56 PM
Thanks for fixing and finding that link nunaem, I knew I read and then...notta.

Silver Shield
8th January 2011, 10:04 PM
It was about a week later with the V shooter that I finally heard he was off his meds...

I wonder how long till we hear that with this kid.

One thing we should all be concerned is with the collapse of the dollar there are going to be 25 million people having psychotic breaks because they won't be able to get their meds.

I wonder if a bong hit would help out?

Libertytree
8th January 2011, 10:09 PM
It was about a week later with the V shooter that I finally heard he was off his meds...

I wonder how long till we hear that with this kid.

One thing we should all be concerned is with the collapse of the dollar there are going to be 25 million people having psychotic breaks because they won't be able to get their meds.

I wonder if a bong hit would help out?


You make a great point! Not just "crazy" meds either but crucial meds as well, enough ot really overload the system.

A bong hit couldn't hurt.

Silver Shield
8th January 2011, 10:16 PM
The left is blaming Sarah Palin because apparently this CONgresswoman's seat was the one of the seats that she was "targeting"

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0133ec3a6597970b-400wi

Let us not forget who has his hand up her ass...

http://www.thejc.com/files/imagecache/body_landscape/Henry-Kissinger.jpg

http://members.sonsoflibertyacademy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Tea-Party-Peanuts.png

PatColo
8th January 2011, 10:23 PM
got CNN on, events emceed by Wolf "AIPAC" Blitzer, mins ago I was hearing telltale joospew re Arizona as

HOTBEAD OF BIGOTRY AND HATEhttp://www.jewishjournal.com/images/photos/eatme.09.17.04.gif

ShortJohnSilver
8th January 2011, 10:26 PM
Well, it has been disappointing the number of Facebook sheeple - I do not talk about gold, silver, Khazars, etc. on my FB; but of the ones who mentioned it, they are all blaming Sarah Palin / Republicans / right wingers etc. despite the fact that the guy was a left wing nutbasket.

Sad and scary, what kind of crap are they going to pull after this false flag op (as I am convinced it was at this point) - they will use it to derail whatever good things might possibly have come out of the past elections.

We have Boehner (R., Oompa-Loompa) making it clear any attack on any politician is so much more serious than say, lax enforcement of the border leading to just the peasants being raped and killed.

Grand Master Melon
8th January 2011, 10:40 PM
As someone who lives in AZ I've been inundated with this story all damn day. The amount of insane left-wing rhetoric I've heard on the radio and tv is enough to drive one mad. I've no idea where this guy stood politically and I don't think he did either but it sickens me how quickly they've pinned the tail on the right, the libertarian and the general "anti-government" label so quickly.

It is clear to me that at the very least this kid was crazy and now we all will suffer from his actions. Maybe that was the intent or maybe it's just a fluke, but it really pisses me off.

Serpo
8th January 2011, 10:47 PM
The thoughts of this guy..

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#g/u

Grand Master Melon
8th January 2011, 11:30 PM
The thoughts of this guy..

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#g/u


What's up with the inclusion of the middle name?

How freakin' convenient.

nunaem
8th January 2011, 11:31 PM
The thoughts of this guy..

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#g/u


What's up with the inclusion of the middle name?

How freakin' convenient.


And as someone else mentioned already it's written in past tense.

midnight rambler
8th January 2011, 11:41 PM
This was in a courthouse where everyone has to go through a metal detector and a pat-down before entering. I'm telling you, they are terrified of us, and we needn't do anything other than (competently) refusing to go along with their nonsense.



http://www.securitygeneration.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/tsa-grope.jpg

You did what you were told. Fly much?

:oo-->






You know Book, you come up with some of the most moronic crap. If I didn't show up for court I would have gotten a FTA thrown in on top of all the other nonsense they're throwing at me.

silver solution
8th January 2011, 11:47 PM
Brute force pastsies do not beat ZOG, they feed ZOG.


If there are a bunch of copy cats. The ZOG will stop or go to slow crawl in this country.

Cebu_4_2
8th January 2011, 11:58 PM
The thoughts of this guy..

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#g/u



Channel Views: 271

WTF is this all about?

Shami-Amourae
9th January 2011, 12:53 AM
The thoughts of this guy..

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#g/u



Channel Views: 271

WTF is this all about?


It's not a conspiracy, YouTube just works like that. The view counter is always bugged.

Shami-Amourae
9th January 2011, 02:03 AM
Gee whiz, looks like the media will pick this right up.

http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/screen-shot-2011-01-08-at-3-05-33-pm.png

Twisted Titan
9th January 2011, 07:19 AM
CBS was reporting that he had been seen with a man approx 50 years old, when I went to the page for the link and text it was poofed.


Was he a "sharped dressed man"?

T

gunDriller
9th January 2011, 07:36 AM
Was he a "sharped dressed man"?

T


you suspect ZZ Top ?

cedarchopper
9th January 2011, 08:30 AM
Obongo likes violent political analogies:

“If they bring a knife to the fight,we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

"We’re going to punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us,"

Shami-Amourae
9th January 2011, 08:37 AM
They are linking him to anti-ZOG...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUrxZW-v9Tg


Here's the group they say he's linked to:
http://www.amren.com/

uncletonoose
9th January 2011, 08:42 AM
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson

Mad_Max
9th January 2011, 09:23 AM
"The 9-year-old girl who was killed in the shooting was the granddaughter of former Phillies manager Dallas Green, according to the Arizona Star.

Christina-Taylor Green, born on Sept. 11, 2001, died while trying to meet Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords at an appearance at a supermarket in Tucson. She attended with a neighbor, who was shot four times and was recovering from surgery last night.

Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Dallas_Greens_granddaughter_killed_in_Arizona_shoo ting.html#ixzz1AYWNm0fw
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Horn
9th January 2011, 09:31 AM
They are linking him to anti-ZOG...
Here's the group they say he's linked to:
http://www.amren.com/


Yet he takes a Pro-ZOG insanity plea?

ShortJohnSilver
9th January 2011, 09:33 AM
"The 9-year-old girl who was killed in the shooting was the granddaughter of former Phillies manager Dallas Green, according to the Arizona Star.

Christina-Taylor Green, born on Sept. 11, 2001, died while trying to meet Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords at an appearance at a supermarket in Tucson. She attended with a neighbor, who was shot four times and was recovering from surgery last night.

Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Dallas_Greens_granddaughter_killed_in_Arizona_shoo ting.html#ixzz1AYWNm0fw
Watch sports videos you won't find anywhere else



OK I am calling total FALSE FLAG on this one... anyone else agree with me?

BrewTech
9th January 2011, 09:49 AM
"The 9-year-old girl who was killed in the shooting was the granddaughter of former Phillies manager Dallas Green, according to the Arizona Star.

Christina-Taylor Green, born on Sept. 11, 2001, died while trying to meet Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords at an appearance at a supermarket in Tucson. She attended with a neighbor, who was shot four times and was recovering from surgery last night.

Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Dallas_Greens_granddaughter_killed_in_Arizona_shoo ting.html#ixzz1AYWNm0fw
Watch sports videos you won't find anywhere else



OK I am calling total FALSE FLAG on this one... anyone else agree with me?


Read my previous posts...

These type of incidents are never what they are made out to be.

VX1
9th January 2011, 09:53 AM
"The 9-year-old girl who was killed in the shooting was the granddaughter of former Phillies manager Dallas Green, according to the Arizona Star.

Christina-Taylor Green, born on Sept. 11, 2001, died while trying to meet Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords at an appearance at a supermarket in Tucson. She attended with a neighbor, who was shot four times and was recovering from surgery last night.

Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Dallas_Greens_granddaughter_killed_in_Arizona_shoo ting.html#ixzz1AYWNm0fw
Watch sports videos you won't find anywhere else



OK I am calling total FALSE FLAG on this one... anyone else agree with me?

I agree. We know that the FBI openly admits to having an ongoing operation to create terrorism through entrapment. Remember the Portland Christmas tree "bomber"? The D.C. Metrorail "bomber"? The Maryland military recruiting office "bomber"? All were fabrications of the FBI. How about the unexploded military-grade bombs found in the Oklahoma Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building that don't seem to be of importance to investigate? What about the well-dressed man that helped the "Nigerian underwear bomber" get on an international plane without a passport? Now with this incident, it is reported that he had an older accomplice that hasn’t been caught. I think that part of the story is going to get scrubbed and forgotten real quick.

Horn
9th January 2011, 10:02 AM
"The 9-year-old girl who was killed in the shooting was the granddaughter of former Phillies manager Dallas Green, according to the Arizona Star.

Christina-Taylor Green, born on Sept. 11, 2001, died while trying to meet Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords at an appearance at a supermarket in Tucson. She attended with a neighbor, who was shot four times and was recovering from surgery last night.

Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Dallas_Greens_granddaughter_killed_in_Arizona_shoo ting.html#ixzz1AYWNm0fw
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OK I am calling total FALSE FLAG on this one... anyone else agree with me?


When taking it in at face value the entire drama seems again to employ way too much sympathy & intrigue, for a naturally occurring incident.

Not to mention an extreme amount of casualties from the promptly described high capacity firearm.

BrewTech
9th January 2011, 10:02 AM
Was he a "sharped dressed man"?

T


you suspect ZZ Top ?


Obviously an extremist...

http://levrock.com/images/concerts/zz%20top%20billy.jpg

BrewTech
9th January 2011, 10:05 AM
"The 9-year-old girl who was killed in the shooting was the granddaughter of former Phillies manager Dallas Green, according to the Arizona Star.

Christina-Taylor Green, born on Sept. 11, 2001, died while trying to meet Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords at an appearance at a supermarket in Tucson. She attended with a neighbor, who was shot four times and was recovering from surgery last night.

Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Dallas_Greens_granddaughter_killed_in_Arizona_shoo ting.html#ixzz1AYWNm0fw
Watch sports videos you won't find anywhere else



OK I am calling total FALSE FLAG on this one... anyone else agree with me?


When taking it in at face value the entire drama seems again to employ way too much sympathy & intrigue, for a naturally occurring incident.


The uberdrama sets off alarms with folks that are rational (and cynical), but for the majority of sheep, drama is all they know how to respond to. That's why these incidents work as designed on the majority of the population.

Cobalt
9th January 2011, 10:18 AM
I wonder if this shooting has something too do with Arizona recently passing the law that citizens can carry a weapon concealed without a permit along with all the thumb nosing Arizona did at the Feds when it came to protecting the borders.

Gov Brewers statement about the law

"I believe strongly in the individual rights and responsibilities of a free society, and as governor I have pledged a solemn and important oath to protect and defend the Constitution," Brewer said in a news release. "I believe this legislation not only protects the Second Amendment rights of Arizona citizens, but restores those rights as well."

JDRock
9th January 2011, 10:26 AM
Books:
I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.


Conspicuously absent is "The Catcher In The Rye" (http://www.henrymakow.com/catcher_in_the_rye.html).
.....right.

willie pete
9th January 2011, 10:34 AM
you know they'll be rounding up everyone that was remotely close to this guy for questioning (and to be put on every gov't list that exists).....I'm glad I didn't live next door to him..... :lol

JDRock
9th January 2011, 10:37 AM
i heard a congressman and a federal judge were killed....were any AMERICANS hurt??


turns out the fed judge WAS an @sshole...he decided to ALLOW illegals to proceed with a 32 million $ lawsuit against an american rancher....(from rense)

Mad_Max
9th January 2011, 10:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2


Check who she subscribed to..

WTF is up with that?

Left side at the bottom.

Trinity
9th January 2011, 10:44 AM
"The 9-year-old girl who was killed in the shooting was the granddaughter of former Phillies manager Dallas Green, according to the Arizona Star.

Christina-Taylor Green, born on Sept. 11, 2001, died while trying to meet Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords at an appearance at a supermarket in Tucson. She attended with a neighbor, who was shot four times and was recovering from surgery last night.

Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Dallas_Greens_granddaughter_killed_in_Arizona_shoo ting.html#ixzz1AYWNm0fw
Watch sports videos you won't find anywhere else



OK I am calling total FALSE FLAG on this one... anyone else agree with me?


Right off the bat I always discount these sort of incidents as not genuine. I'm going to give it a week before I commit though.

Cobalt
9th January 2011, 10:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2


Check who she subscribed to..

WTF is up with that?


Now that is weird as hell

Nice find

Horn
9th January 2011, 10:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2


Check who she subscribed to..

WTF is up with that?


Yeah, talk about a hole in the head.

What are the chances? Is it real?

nunaem
9th January 2011, 10:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2


Check who she subscribed to..

WTF is up with that?


Yeah, talk about a hole in the head.

What are the chances? Is it real?


It's real. The question is did (she?) subscribe before or after the attack?

If after, why? Hackers?

If before, that is the 'coincidence' of the century.

AndreaGail
9th January 2011, 10:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2


Check who she subscribed to..

WTF is up with that?

Left side at the bottom.


very interesting!!!

nunaem
9th January 2011, 11:01 AM
Probably a hacker. Youtube accounts aren't all that secure.

LuckyStrike
9th January 2011, 11:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2


Check who she subscribed to..

WTF is up with that?

Left side at the bottom.


Nice find, everyone should screenshot it just in case.

Horn
9th January 2011, 11:04 AM
When I look more at her, she seems a product of genetic engineering.

So young, yet so well rehearsed in all aspects.

JohnQPublic
9th January 2011, 11:07 AM
I wonder if this shooting has something too do with Arizona recently passing the law that citizens can carry a weapon concealed without a permit along with all the thumb nosing Arizona did at the Feds when it came to protecting the borders.

Gov Brewers statement about the law

"I believe strongly in the individual rights and responsibilities of a free society, and as governor I have pledged a solemn and important oath to protect and defend the Constitution," Brewer said in a news release. "I believe this legislation not only protects the Second Amendment rights of Arizona citizens, but restores those rights as well."





Wow. The libs. are going to use this for sure. Sounds more and more like a set-up.

mightymanx
9th January 2011, 11:11 AM
This is a page out of history. Just like last time when the patriot movement gets ready to take off, blamo an easy to capture event to ostracize the people that believe in the constitution the founding fathers and any other non-NWO ideal.

Rebel Yarr
9th January 2011, 11:13 AM
Probably a hacker. Youtube accounts aren't all that secure.


They are just fine as far as security goes.

I'm pretty sure she doesn't manage her site...so, whomever managers her youtube site was logged into her youtube account reading the news yesterday (I'm pretty sure she wasn't surfin' the webz yesterday...)

nunaem
9th January 2011, 11:16 AM
Probably a hacker. Youtube accounts aren't all that secure.


They are just fine as far as security goes.

I'm pretty sure she doesn't manage her site...so, whomever managers her youtube site was logged into her youtube account reading the news yesterday (I'm pretty sure she wasn't surfin' the webz yesterday...)


Whoever manages her channel has a strange sense of humor, then.

Rebel Yarr
9th January 2011, 11:31 AM
not humor - probably just bookmarked it.

You can imagine the persons state of mind yesterday....eh? This is probably someone pretty close to her - interacts with her daily I'd assume....

nunaem
9th January 2011, 11:36 AM
not humor - probably just bookmarked it.

You can imagine the persons state of mind yesterday....eh? This is probably someone pretty close to her - interacts with her daily I'd assume....




Usually subscribing to someone signals that you are a fan of them. So it appears as though she is a fan of her own would-be murderer. It's possible this could have been overlooked though.

Oh and most browsers have bookmark features. ;D That might have been overlooked as well. It's hard to put yourself in the mind of someone who's friend/boss was nearly killed.

LuckyStrike
9th January 2011, 11:38 AM
I'm pretty sure she doesn't manage her site...so, whomever managers her youtube site was logged into her youtube account reading the news yesterday (I'm pretty sure she wasn't surfin' the webz yesterday...)


You have to actively subscribe to another channel it's not like you just view it and bam your subscribed.

I agree that it probably wasn't her but a staffer, still though it's very odd.

It could be a hacker too.

I don't think it's just some willy nilly, "oh this guy sent me an invite so I will subscribe to him" I mean she has 153 subscribers but chooses to subscribe to only 1 of them who ends up killing her? Come on.

nunaem
9th January 2011, 11:49 AM
I'm pretty sure she doesn't manage her site...so, whomever managers her youtube site was logged into her youtube account reading the news yesterday (I'm pretty sure she wasn't surfin' the webz yesterday...)


You have to actively subscribe to another channel it's not like you just view it and bam your subscribed.

I agree that it probably wasn't her but a staffer, still though it's very odd.

It could be a hacker too.

I don't think it's just some willy nilly, "oh this guy sent me an invite so I will subscribe to him" I mean she has 153 subscribers but chooses to subscribe to only 1 of them who ends up killing her? Come on.


Was the killer among her subscribers?

EDIT: I checked, he isn't.

BillBoard
9th January 2011, 12:02 PM
Did you all get the message from this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=nHoaZaLbqB4

No fucking way! Too deep, they know the Achilles heel of the cashless society is that all one needs is a trusted bookkeeper and an agreed unit of account.

This kid was trained, but by who is the question!

Book
9th January 2011, 12:20 PM
all one needs is a trusted bookkeeper and an agreed unit of account.



It really is that simple.

:)

gunDriller
9th January 2011, 12:25 PM
Was the killer among her subscribers?
EDIT: I checked, he isn't.


it's logical that the shooter would investigate Giffords before planning to stage a suicide mission at one of her events.

as far as we know, the only thing about the incident, planning wise, is that the guy set out to shoot Giffords.

unless he cleared his browser history, i would expect him to have numerous Giffords-related URL's on his home computer or computers.

StreetsOfGold
9th January 2011, 12:55 PM
Not that I support viglante styled "revenge" but here's a thought.

If this shooter were IN THE ARMED SERVICES (afghanstan, Iraq, etc) he would not have done this.
Perhaps this is one of the reasons SO MANY YOUNG MEN are conveniently NOT HERE

mightymanx
9th January 2011, 01:51 PM
Not that I support viglante styled "revenge" but here's a thought.

If this shooter were IN THE ARMED SERVICES (afghanstan, Iraq, etc) he would not have done this.
Perhaps this is one of the reasons SO MANY YOUNG MEN are conveniently NOT HERE



BINGO DING DING! We have a winner!

midnight rambler
9th January 2011, 02:57 PM
One has to wonder why the US Army rejected him a couple of years ago, we know they need all the cannon fodder they can get. Perhaps they saw his potential and said, "Have we got a job for you!"

keehah
9th January 2011, 03:43 PM
RPT-Arizona suspect had made death threats-sheriff (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0824904120110109?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r3:c 0.106787:b40851468:z0)

The postings describe no coherent political ideology, said Mark Potok, an investigator with the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks violent extremists. Loughner was not in the Center's database of hate groups and radicals.

"He certainly sounds like he's gone off the deep end, but at the same time, he is mouthing some rhetoric that is quite reminiscent of the anti-government movement ... It's hard to know what to make of his ideology."

And in other news.....
Mark Potok Blames the Radical Right for Giffords Shooting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZxRbaKqeOaI#!


David icky? Straight from the mouth of Mark Pootalk. ;D

MAGNES
9th January 2011, 05:40 PM
I think many of you here are overplaying this and jumping to a lot of conclusions.

I just got to the news this afternoon, it has already been determined the shooter
knew the Congresswomen, they knew each other, one has to ask who the target
was, obviously shooting crowds is the act of a mad man, there are reports online
that the guy is a leftist, meanwhile the media is portraying him to be a "white
supremacist" , AMREN that is Jewish friendly is being smeared too, very comical
of the media to do this, many of you above made comments about media spin,
they are getting way ahead of themselves, this reminds me of Columbine where
the media shut their mouths after it was determined it was Jews not "nazis" that
shot and murdered Christian girls, even the NY Post admitted this, the local
Sheriff said, " it would be an anti semitic act to release the tapes ", the victims
were again re victimized by the media, the Christian Pastor called one of the
victims , " A Christian Martyr ", a blonde girl, the media abandoned the victims
for a reason, just like 9/11 families, it does not suit to report against their agenda.

No matter what the facts are it will be spun to attack 9/11 Truth, Ron Paul movement,
Tea Party, Conservatives, Constitutionalists, etc , we have already have seen this, and
look at everything else that is happening , no coincidence, IMO, lets gets some facts
together piece this together, this is big, Arizona coincidence, it stinks, the guy has mental
problems for real, even before shooting, be careful and be safe.

MAGNES
9th January 2011, 05:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2


Check who she subscribed to..

WTF is up with that?


Now that is weird as hell

Nice find


There are news reports online they knew each other personally.
You have to sort through all the disinformation online and media
spin. One thing that is clear is the media is jumping to conclusions
attacking groups, people and issues they see as the enemy,
freedom loving people that are for Justice playing by the rules.

See my above comments.

This forum is going to get heat like many other ones online.

Be careful and be smart, don't be stupid, this guy is a whack job and deserves hell.

The media smear job is clear, they are overplaying it again but don't care.
Masses are confused and they will not correct any false reports like past.

ShortJohnSilver
9th January 2011, 06:29 PM
they are getting way ahead of themselves, this reminds me of Columbine where
the media shut their mouths after it was determined it was Jews not "nazis" that
shot and murdered Christian girls, even the NY Post admitted this, the local
Sheriff said, " it would be an anti semitic act to release the tapes ", the victims
were again re victimized by the media, the Christian Pastor called one of the
victims , " A Christian Martyr ", a blonde girl, the media abandoned the victims
for a reason, just like 9/11 families, it does not suit to report against their agenda.



I did not know that, thanks for the info on Columbine and the Jewish connection... makes a lot more sense now.

The FBI is there in Tucson, sure it is their jurisdiction, still, they will cover up what they can, by the time they are done Sarah Palin will be the one that bought the kid's gun and showed him how to use it ...

Horn
9th January 2011, 08:30 PM
Masses are confused and they will not correct any false reports like past.


Trying hard to remember when that was?

Where are these reports they knew each other?

Dogman
9th January 2011, 08:33 PM
Masses are confused and they will not correct any false reports like past.


Trying hard to remember when that was?

Where are these reports they knew each other?


Think they met once! But not on a personal level.

Horn
9th January 2011, 08:35 PM
Masses are confused and they will not correct any false reports like past.


Trying hard to remember when that was?

Where are these reports they knew each other?


Think they met once! But not on a personal level.


You think so?

Dogman
9th January 2011, 08:36 PM
Masses are confused and they will not correct any false reports like past.


Trying hard to remember when that was?

Where are these reports they knew each other?


Think they met once! But not on a personal level.


You think so?





It was a msm blurb.

Horn
9th January 2011, 08:54 PM
It was a msm blurb.


Watching for blurbs now, what channel they on?

ShortJohnSilver
9th January 2011, 09:04 PM
shooting was on 1/8/11 = 1+8 /11 = 9/11

one of the kids who died was born on 9/11/2001 .

Just a coincidence? I think not, like I said, FALSE FLAG.

Horn
9th January 2011, 09:26 PM
shooting was on 1/8/11 = 1+8 /11 = 9/11

one of the kids who died was born on 9/11/2001 .

Just a coincidence? I think not, like I said, FALSE FLAG.


That part seems more like a bad new year omen than the bird thing.

Cobalt
9th January 2011, 09:34 PM
It was a msm blurb.


Watching for blurbs now, what channel they on?




Supposedly the shooter attended one of the Congress Womans events back in 2007 and she sent him a letter thanking him for attending.


You will find reference to it starting about 1:35 in this video and at 1:58 they will talk about the letter found in his safe
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#40991162

gunny highway
10th January 2011, 11:54 AM
shooting was on 1/8/11 = 1+8 /11 = 9/11

one of the kids who died was born on 9/11/2001 .

Just a coincidence? I think not, like I said, FALSE FLAG.


beat me too it. i was just thinking that. no i don't think it's a coincidence. it seems awful convenient that a certain federal judge, who was going to rule against the prez regarding stealing americans' pensions, was killed. all this focus on the congresswoman is probably misdirection.

Olmstein
10th January 2011, 12:04 PM
The timing of this really stinks. This weekend there was lots of national attention to Arizona due to the BCS championship bowl here today. There are thousands of people here from all over the country for the game. Now they are going to think Arizona is full of crazy gun nuts, and tea party extremists.

The media around here is really playing up the sympathy angle over the little girl who was killed.


Also, I think this reinforces the idea that a 9mm is a lousy round for shooting people.

tater
10th January 2011, 02:22 PM
Supposed friend talks about Loughner, even tells what the question was that he asked the congresswoman.

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voicemail-phone-message?page=1#

Exclusive: Loughner Friend Explains Alleged Gunman's Grudge Against Giffords


...Tierney believes that Loughner was very interested in pushing people's buttons—and that may have been why he listed Hitler's Mein Kampf as one of his favorite books on his YouTube page. (Loughner's mom is Jewish, according to Tierney.) Loughner sometimes approached strangers and would say "weird" things, Tierney recalls. "He would do it because he thought people were below him and he knew they wouldn't know what he was talking about."...

Horn
10th January 2011, 02:31 PM
Supposed friend talks about Loughner, even tells what the question was that he asked the congresswoman.

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voicemail-phone-message?page=1#

Exclusive: Loughner Friend Explains Alleged Gunman's Grudge Against Giffords


...Tierney believes that Loughner was very interested in pushing people's buttons—and that may have been why he listed Hitler's Mein Kampf as one of his favorite books on his YouTube page. (Loughner's mom is Jewish, according to Tierney.) Loughner sometimes approached strangers and would say "weird" things, Tierney recalls. "He would do it because he thought people were below him and he knew they wouldn't know what he was talking about."...




Maybe they went to synagogue together?

Dude seems psychopathic from all accounts available to us.

RJB
10th January 2011, 02:34 PM
Loughner sometimes approached strangers and would say "weird" things, Tierney recalls. "He would do it because he thought people were below him and he knew they wouldn't know what he was talking about."...If you really want to mess with an attention whore like this, look them directly in the eyes after spewing some garbage and say, "Absolutely." LOL it will totally throw them off.

PatColo
14th January 2011, 02:40 PM
new Bollyn 1/14/11, he's prolly onto something, anti-depressants are dangerous but it's blacked out by the MSM and as he notes, also his former employer American Free Press, which he says is controlled by the dark side.

Is Jared Loughner Another Prozac Killer? (http://www.bollyn.com/index.php#article_12677)

EE_
14th January 2011, 05:26 PM
Bizarre Shrine in Loughner’s Backyard for Jewish Ritual of Sukkot
by James Buchanan

Some Jews have been attempting to deny the fact that the Arizona shooter Jared Loughner is Jewish. Loughner’s Myspace page was speedily removed from the Internet and an iron curtain was quickly going up around any personal information about Loughner’s ethnicity.

Note that the bizarre shrine pictured in the Loughners’ backyard came from the NY Daily News. It isn’t Internet gossip or rumors. Note that oranges in the shrine are shriveled. The feast of Sukkot is in September or October and the harvest of fruit is a big part of it. I suspect that rather than construct an elaborate booth in their backyard each year for this ritual, some Jews simply keep the same shrine and booth in their backyard.

This strongly, strongly indicates that the Loughner family are not only Jews, they are practicing Jews carrying out the cultural rituals of Judaism. This additional evidence supports the earlier statement by Jared Loughner’s friend, Bryce Tierny that Jared’s mother is Jewish.

The NY Daily News reports “A sinister shrine reveals a chilling occult dimension in the mind of the deranged gunman accused of shooting a member of Congress and 19 others. Hidden within a camouflage tent behind Jared Lee Loughner’s home sits an alarming altar with a skull sitting atop a pot filled with shriveled oranges. A row of ceremonial candles and a bag of potting soil lay nearby, photos reveal.”

The Jewish ritual of Sukkot is described as follows: Sukkot (Hebrew: סוכות or סֻכּוֹת, sukkōt, Feast of Booths, Feast of Tabernacles) is a Biblical holiday celebrated on the 15th day of the month of Tishrei (late September to late October). It is one of the three Biblically mandated Shalosh regalim on which Jews and Believers make pilgrimages to pre-determined sites to worship and fellowship Temple in Jerusalem. The Holy Day lasts seven days, including Chol Hamoed and is immediately followed by another festive day known as Shemini Atzeret/The Last Great Day. The Hebrew word sukkōt is the plural of sukkah, “booth or tabernacle”, which is a walled structure covered with flora, such as tree branches or bamboo shoots. The sukkah is intended as a reminiscence of the type of fragile dwellings in which the ancient Israelites dwelt during their 40 years of wandering in the desert after the Exodus from Egypt. Throughout the holiday the sukkah becomes the primary living area of one’s home. All meals are eaten inside the sukkah and many sleep there as well. On each day of the holiday, members of the household recite a blessing over the lulav and etrog, or Four species.[1] According to Zechariah, in the messianic era Sukkot will become a universal festival and all nations will make pilgrimages annually to Jerusalem to celebrate the feast there.[2] …..It (Sukkot) was a thanksgiving for the fruit harvest. Coming as it did at the completion of the harvest, Sukkot was regarded as a general thanksgiving for the bounty of nature in the year that had passed.”

http://www.davidduke.com/general/bizarre-shrine-in-loughners-backyard-for-jewish-ritual-of-sukkot_22326.html#more-22326

PatColo
14th January 2011, 06:03 PM
Audio of David Icke on Jack Blood radio show, youtube should auto-advance to each of the 3 segments, not sure, may be safer to open the davidicke.com link and watch it there.


David Icke on the Southern Poverty Law Center - 'It's like being savaged by a dead sheep' (http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/43350-david-icke-on-the-southern-poverty-law-center-its-like-being-savaged-by-a-dead-sheep)

Thursday, 13 January 2011 14:39

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUmMQCf8tMA&feature=player_embedded

EE_
14th January 2011, 06:37 PM
Audio of David Icke on Jack Blood radio show, youtube should auto-advance to each of the 3 segments, not sure, may be safer to open the davidicke.com link and watch it there.


David Icke on the Southern Poverty Law Center - 'It's like being savaged by a dead sheep' (http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/43350-david-icke-on-the-southern-poverty-law-center-its-like-being-savaged-by-a-dead-sheep)

Thursday, 13 January 2011 14:39

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUmMQCf8tMA&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5wt2IhKdhQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02KLGEd0tOA

PatColo
15th January 2011, 04:16 PM
The night before the rampage, authorities say, Mr. Loughner, 22, dropped off at a drugstore a roll of 35-millimeter film containing images he had shot of himself posing with a Glock semiautomatic pistol while wearing a red G-string. The authorities said he picked up the film early on the day of the shooting at a Walgreens in the same strip mall where he would later open fire at a citizens’ forum held by Representative Gabrielle Giffords, Democrat of Arizona.

In some of the photos Mr. Loughner is holding the gun near his crotch, and in others, presumably taken in a mirror, he is holding the gun next to his buttocks, investigators said. It was not clear when the photos were taken.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/15/us/15giffords.html?_r=1&hp

mightymanx
15th January 2011, 10:32 PM
I am calling BS.

A 22y/o that owns and knows how to use a film camera in this day in age?

Sounds like some 40-50 year old agents "good" idea for creating a chain of evidence.

Horn
16th January 2011, 09:04 AM
I am calling BS.

A 22y/o that owns and knows how to use a film camera in this day in age?

Sounds like some 40-50 year old agents "good" idea for creating a chain of evidence.


Was there maybe some second weapon that is turning up somewhere, now?

Why mention GLOCK in particular?

Are they carrying extended clips easily?

The initial reports of someone else opening fire in the field have been laid to rest, no?

PatColo
16th January 2011, 12:39 PM
I read in an article something about a 30-round clip Loughner was trying to reload? I know the glock-9mm comes standard with a 15 round clip, and that there's an extended clip of 20 rounds which extends a couple inches below the handle, but 30?!

I wonder if there wasn't a sniper also in the mix, ensuring that the desired targets were eliminated?

Heimdhal
16th January 2011, 12:43 PM
I read in an article something about a 30-round clip Loughner was trying to reload? I know the glock-9mm comes standard with a 15 round clip, and that there's an extended clip of 20 rounds which extends a couple inches below the handle, but 30?!

I wonder if there wasn't a sniper also in the mix, ensuring that the desired targets were eliminated?


33 round mag.

They were designed originaly for use with the select fire glock 18 in 9mm, but they are commonly available pretty much anywhere and not very expensive, 20-30$ average apiece.

They are going after these hardcore now, even more than before.

Dogman
16th January 2011, 12:43 PM
I read in an article something about a 30-round clip Loughner was trying to reload? I know the glock-9mm comes standard with a 15 round clip, and that there's an extended clip of 20 rounds which extends a couple inches below the handle, but 30?!

I wonder if there wasn't a sniper also in the mix, ensuring that the desired targets were eliminated?


He was trying to change mags, not reload a mag. He had several loaded mags, and was
swapping out his empty for a full one when he got jumped and put down.

PatColo
16th January 2011, 12:59 PM
I read in an article something about a 30-round clip Loughner was trying to reload? I know the glock-9mm comes standard with a 15 round clip, and that there's an extended clip of 20 rounds which extends a couple inches below the handle, but 30?!

I wonder if there wasn't a sniper also in the mix, ensuring that the desired targets were eliminated?


He was trying to change mags, not reload a mag. He had several loaded mags, and was
swapping out his empty for a full one when he got jumped and put down.


that's what I meant to say, woops.

keehah
16th January 2011, 01:32 PM
So this explains why the Taxi Driver was with the shooter? He did not have change for a $20 bill?

http://www.kgun9.com/Global/story.asp?S=13831965

Sheriff Clarence Dupnik told the Associated Press that on the morning of the Jan. 8, 2011 shooting, Jared Loughner's father saw his son take a black bag out of a car trunk.

The sheriff says the father approached Loughner, and he mumbled something and took off running. The father got in his truck and chased his son into the desert as he fled on foot, the AP said.

Later that same morning, Jared Loughner took a cab to the Safeway store at Ina and
Oracle road, where Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was meeting with constituents at 10 a.m. - her first congresswoman "on the corner" event here since the start of the 2011 Congress.

Loughner walked inside the Safeway to change a $20 bill to pay the cab driver. Then he walked over to Giffords and shot her in the head.

Note also the finally released Sherif Records including nothing about death threats, or the need for medical evaluation diversion for behavior.

Horn
16th January 2011, 06:28 PM
I read in an article something about a 30-round clip Loughner was trying to reload? I know the glock-9mm comes standard with a 15 round clip, and that there's an extended clip of 20 rounds which extends a couple inches below the handle, but 30?!

I wonder if there wasn't a sniper also in the mix, ensuring that the desired targets were eliminated?


Doesn't look the easiest thing to conceal under a trench coat.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/glock_extended_mag.jpg

Heimdhal
16th January 2011, 06:52 PM
I read in an article something about a 30-round clip Loughner was trying to reload? I know the glock-9mm comes standard with a 15 round clip, and that there's an extended clip of 20 rounds which extends a couple inches below the handle, but 30?!

I wonder if there wasn't a sniper also in the mix, ensuring that the desired targets were eliminated?


Doesn't look the easiest thing to conceal under a trench coat.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/glock_extended_mag.jpg


In a trench coat, yeah, it wouldnt be that hard. Hell i can hide a shotty in a trench coat. Jeans and a t shirt or button up shirt, much harder unless he had it without the mag, took it out and then inserted the mag.

Horn
17th January 2011, 07:43 AM
In a trench coat, yeah, it wouldnt be that hard. Hell i can hide a shotty in a trench coat.

Your an XL, Heimdhal, This guy is barely a M, or L.

The entire situation seems surreal is all, the amount of damage, and his ability to empty the entire clip uninterrupted.

Too well rehearsed, somehow.

Heimdhal
17th January 2011, 08:22 AM
In a trench coat, yeah, it wouldnt be that hard. Hell i can hide a shotty in a trench coat.

Your an XL, Heimdhal, This guy is barely a M, or L.

The entire situation seems surreal is all, the amount of damage, and his ability to empty the entire clip uninterrupted.

Too well rehearsed, somehow.


Hey, yall know Im as into a good cover up or conspiracy as the next guy. Heck, Im still here aint I? ;)

I dont doubt or discount for one second the possibility that this was a set up or controlled in some way. But at the same time, neither do I doubt or discount that this guy just snapped, for whatever reason, and dumped 33 rounds of 9mm into the crowd.

When guns start going BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG in large crowds, most people dont jump into action like super ninjas, track down and eliminate the threat. In fact, I think the response that we did see is nothing short of amazing considering who atualy took this guy down (the old lady and then a couple gents from across the way).

It would have taken cops just as long to assess the situation, find the threat and begin to move to elimiate it. Im very proud that there were some Americans left there with balls who didnt just run and piss themselves.

We do know theres LOTS and LOTS of BS all over this event though. All Im saying is it is entirley possible for nearly ANY person to get into a crowd with that particular weaponry. It looks like this huge gigantic thing, but its really not all THAT big Especialy if you have the gun in one pocket and say the mag in another.

gunDriller
17th January 2011, 08:26 AM
i hear that Giffords' assistant, Gabe Zimmerman, was also a casualty of this incident.

if Loughner had been Muslim, would we be hearing about "scary Muslims" ?

a Jewish guy shoots a Jewish congresscritter and a Jewish aide and a judge ... instead of hearing about scary Muslims, we're hearing that Loughner was a 9-11 Truther.

Amazing how the Official Narrative is modified to fit the circumstances.

Awoke
17th January 2011, 08:30 AM
Believe it or not, brute force fought and won every revolution and war since the beginning of time.



Believe it or not, the jew was the architect of every revolution and war since the beginning of time.

gunDriller
17th January 2011, 08:36 AM
Believe it or not, brute force fought and won every revolution and war since the beginning of time.



Believe it or not, the jew was the architect of every revolution and war since the beginning of time.


i'm sure there are exceptions but that there is one generalization that is very true.

maybe it's time to start a Gentile Pride movement.

obviously it's time to say "ninguna mas".

Awoke
17th January 2011, 09:14 AM
obviously it's time to say "ninguna mas".


What does that mean?

Dogman
17th January 2011, 09:16 AM
obviously it's time to say "ninguna mas".


What does that mean?


No more.

LuckyStrike
17th January 2011, 06:54 PM
Doesn't look the easiest thing to conceal under a trench coat.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/glock_extended_mag.jpg


I beg to differ, I could easily conceal that under my regular carhartt jacket. If we are talking trenchcoats I could conceal a Draco with that. Obviously neither would be nearly comfortable enough that you actually would but as far as getting past unnoticed it wouldn't be a problem.

I'm 6 feet 175 FWIW.

Horn
17th January 2011, 07:36 PM
Doesn't look the easiest thing to conceal under a trench coat.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/glock_extended_mag.jpg


I beg to differ, I could easily conceal that under my regular carhartt jacket. If we are talking trenchcoats I could conceal a Draco with that. Obviously neither would be nearly comfortable enough that you actually would but as far as getting past unnoticed it wouldn't be a problem.

I'm 6 feet 175 FWIW.


Comfortable, easy, same difference.

http://planettracy.typepad.com/.a/6a00e0097f1b5f883300e55452c8038833-800wi

LuckyStrike
17th January 2011, 07:46 PM
Comfortable, easy, same difference.






If the discussion is whether it would be "easy" (your word) to carry that under a trenchcoat from your car, past whatever security and then to a target I say it would.

I just wanted to point out that when I say you can easily conceal it doesn't mean this is going to be your main concealed carry piece.

Horn
17th January 2011, 07:50 PM
My point being is with such a weapon you would be able to tell he was packin from at least 75yards away.

Unless he had somehow modified his carrying equipment before hand for easy concealment.

That's all, just trying to picture this GLOCK extended clip on the scene.

Maybe they have previously marketed carrying equipment, I don't know..

Or as Heimdhal mentioned he mated them on site, infront of the crowd...

Dogman
17th January 2011, 07:57 PM
My point being is with such a weapon you would be able to tell he was packin from at least 75yards away.

Unless he had somehow modified his carrying equipment before hand for easy concealment.

That's all, just trying to picture this GLOCK extended clip on the scene.

Maybe they have previously marketed carrying equipment, I don't know..

Or as Heimdhal mentioned he mated them on site, infront of the crowd...


Not sure with this case, but with a custom shoulder rig, and coat it would not show.

LuckyStrike
17th January 2011, 08:50 PM
My point being is with such a weapon you would be able to tell he was packin from at least 75yards away.






I disagree entirely.

No biggie I'm to tired to debate.

Horn
18th January 2011, 09:50 AM
My point being is with such a weapon you would be able to tell he was packin from at least 75yards away.






I disagree entirely.

No biggie I'm to tired to debate.


Well, I would notice that gun stashed anywhere on a person his size immediately (if mated ready to go).

The immediate reports of second hand gunfire, have they been completely put to rest in this case?


Investigators told NBC News that Loughner had a 30-round magazine on his Glock-19, plus one round in the chamber, for a total of 31 rounds in the weapon. Of the 31 rounds, a least 20 struck those outside the Tucson supermarket. Some victims were struck by more than one round.

It was not clear whether Loughner was able to put the second magazine into the Glock, investigators said. An examination of the second magazine showed that its spring was defective, so it would not have functioned properly, NBC News reported.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41021843/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts

I'm getting the number was 6 killed & 19 injured has the highest numbers from immediate reports.

DMac
18th January 2011, 12:27 PM
c/o http://whatreallyhappened.com/


After the tragic shooting in Tucson that left multiple people dead and Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in critical condition, the corporate media eagerly jumped to conclusions.

The Southern Poverty Law Center was quick to bounce on this horrible tragedy.

Mark Potok, liar and chief of the SPLC, actually specifically cited David Icke as one of the reasons that the shooting happened.!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBGFFZu40sg

David Icke speaks to the recent attack by the SPLC and various topics with Jack.

Listen to Deadline Live Monday to Friday at 3pm CST on Oracle Broadcasting Network

For More Deadline Live
http://deadlinelive.info

PatColo
18th January 2011, 04:07 PM
“Top US Federal Judge Assassinated After Threat To Obama Agenda” (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1438.htm)

It’s Sorcha Faal, yes I know I know, but follow the links in this story- they’re legit and the thesis adds up- Loughlin is a mind controlled assassin; Judge Roll was the real assassination target based on his imminent unfavorable (to fascist gummit), precedent-setting ruling on the constitutionality of an asset confiscation which the gummit had done, and which was being challenged legally. It's speculated that a positive ruling from Judge Roll towards the gummit, would clear the way for gummit’s intention to eventually grab citizens' retirement accounts. Giffords and the others were to distract and parlay into different agendas. Federal Judge Roll wielded multiples more “real power” than Giffords, who’s only 1 of 435 votes in the House. Who has the MSMs attention been on almost exclusively? mmm hmmm, that’s a clue! Judge WHO??

Hey maybe all the blatant BS Sorcha Faal (alleged to be AKA David Booth, but whatever) has put out in the past was to make such a joke out of him & his “Sorcha brand”, that when he finally poops out a TRUE nugget like this, it’s categorically dismissed as BS..?

Later half of the article also gets into the area of CIA's history of mind-control experimentation, linking to current lawsuits from vets groups who, as young recruits, were fraudulently induced to volunteer for the experiments, deceived about the safety and true intentions of the experiments- and now they're damaged goods for life...

This might be worth it's own thread-- following which Federal Judge is assigned the “United States of America v. $333,520.00 in United States Currency et al” (http://dockets.justia.com/docket/arizona/azdce/4:2010cv00703/568697/) case, and how they ultimately rule, will confirm or debunk this story. Intriguing, though.


*edit to correct the nature of the case Judge Roll was tasked to rule on. See further parsing below.

Horn
18th January 2011, 06:40 PM
Hey maybe all the blatant BS Sorcha Faal (alleged to be AKA David Booth, but whatever) has put out in the past was to make such a joke out of him & his “Sorcha brand”, that when he finally poops out a TRUE nugget like this, it’s categorically dismissed as BS..?


With what seems to be the 99% muzzle to flesh accuracy of Jared's pistol, anything seems possible in this case.

keehah
18th January 2011, 08:50 PM
Yes many a Sorcha Faal article has some great 'legit' mainstream links in it. I regularly check that website for those links.

However I tend to de-Sorcha it before sharing. Stick to sharing the information in the links rather than the Sorcha narrative.

Although this one has a pretty legit narrative.

PatColo
18th January 2011, 10:52 PM
Yes many a Sorcha Faal articles have some great 'legit' mainstream links in them. I regularly check that website for those links.

However I tend to de-Sorcha it before sharing. Stick to sharing the information in the links rather than the Sorcha narrative.

Although this one has a pretty legit narrative.


That's how I "manage Sorcha" also... well put. :)

This story seems very likely true. I guess the angle I'd want further verification on, is the "trojan horse legislation" part- that the legislation in question is indeed transferable to grabbing everyone's retirement accounts. Also, that the gummit is using as defense FDR's 1933 gold confiscation.

Horn
19th January 2011, 12:06 PM
Also, that the gummit is using as defense FDR's 1933 gold confiscation.


The recession is over, where have you been? :sarc:

osoab
19th January 2011, 03:16 PM
“Top US Federal Judge Assassinated After Threat To Obama Agenda” (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1438.htm)

It’s Sorcha Faal, yes I know I know, but follow the links in this story- they’re legit and the thesis adds up- Loughlin is a mind controlled assassin; Judge Roll was the real assassination target based on his imminent negative ruling on the constitutionality of trojan horse legislation really aimed at gummit’s intention to eventually grab retirement accounts; Giffords and the others were to distract and parlay into different agendas. Federal Judge Roll wielded multiples more “real power” than Giffords, who’s only 1 of 435 votes in the House. Who has the MSMs attention been on almost exclusively? mmm hmmm, that’s a clue! Judge WHO??

Hey maybe all the blatant BS Sorcha Faal (alleged to be AKA David Booth, but whatever) has put out in the past was to make such a joke out of him & his “Sorcha brand”, that when he finally poops out a TRUE nugget like this, it’s categorically dismissed as BS..?

Later half of the article also gets into the area of CIA's history of mind-control experimentation, linking to current lawsuits from vets groups who, as young recruits, were fraudulently induced to volunteer for the experiments, deceived about the safety and true intentions of the experiments- and now they're damaged goods for life...

This might be worth it's own thread-- following which Federal Judge is assigned the “United States of America v. $333,520.00 in United States Currency et al” (http://dockets.justia.com/docket/arizona/azdce/4:2010cv00703/568697/) case, and how they ultimately rule, will confirm or debunk this story. Intriguing, though.



Pat, I saw that case brought up over at glp. There were no legs in that thread, so I dismissed it.
Have you read anything about this case? You are only able to view the docket, not the actual meat and bones of the case. One has to subscribe to the PACER system to read it.


Plaintiff: United States of America
Defendants: $333,520.00 in US Currency and Saturn Aura XE 2007, VIN 1G8ZS57N97F136757

I know this sounds stupid, but how does a vehicle and currency become a defendant?

osoab
19th January 2011, 03:27 PM
“Top US Federal Judge Assassinated After Threat To Obama Agenda” (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1438.htm)

It’s Sorcha Faal, yes I know I know, but follow the links in this story- they’re legit and the thesis adds up- Loughlin is a mind controlled assassin; Judge Roll was the real assassination target based on his imminent negative ruling on the constitutionality of trojan horse legislation really aimed at gummit’s intention to eventually grab retirement accounts; Giffords and the others were to distract and parlay into different agendas. Federal Judge Roll wielded multiples more “real power” than Giffords, who’s only 1 of 435 votes in the House. Who has the MSMs attention been on almost exclusively? mmm hmmm, that’s a clue! Judge WHO??

Hey maybe all the blatant BS Sorcha Faal (alleged to be AKA David Booth, but whatever) has put out in the past was to make such a joke out of him & his “Sorcha brand”, that when he finally poops out a TRUE nugget like this, it’s categorically dismissed as BS..?

Later half of the article also gets into the area of CIA's history of mind-control experimentation, linking to current lawsuits from vets groups who, as young recruits, were fraudulently induced to volunteer for the experiments, deceived about the safety and true intentions of the experiments- and now they're damaged goods for life...

This might be worth it's own thread-- following which Federal Judge is assigned the “United States of America v. $333,520.00 in United States Currency et al” (http://dockets.justia.com/docket/arizona/azdce/4:2010cv00703/568697/) case, and how they ultimately rule, will confirm or debunk this story. Intriguing, though.



Pat, I saw that case brought up over at glp. There were no legs in that thread, so I dismissed it.
Have you read anything about this case? You are only able to view the docket, not the actual meat and bones of the case. One has to subscribe to the PACER system to read it.


Plaintiff: United States of America
Defendants: $333,520.00 in US Currency and Saturn Aura XE 2007, VIN 1G8ZS57N97F136757

I know this sounds stupid, but how does a vehicle and currency become a defendant?



Look at this link Chief federal trial judge, John M. Roll, a victim of Obama’s extrajudicial death warrants? (http://presscore.ca/2011/?p=955)


On Saturday January 8, 2001, Chief federal trial judge and United States citizen, John M. Roll was proclaimed a terrorist by Barack Obama and summarily executed by a civilian under the control of the CIA. Why? Judge John McCarthy Roll was the Chief Judge for the United States District Court for the District of Arizona who last Friday (1 day before his executive ordered assassination) issued what is called a “preliminary ruling” in a case titled “United States of America v. $333,520.00 in United States Currency et al” – Case Number: 4:2010cv00703 Filed: November 30, 2010 – wherein he stated he was preparing to rule against Barack Obama’s power to confiscate the deposits of the American people without a crime being committed. That same day (Friday, January 7, 2011), Legacy Bank, Scottsdale, AZ was forced to close by the Arizona Department of Financial Institutions, and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) was named Receiver. All deposit accounts, including brokered deposits, were secretly transferred to Enterprise Bank & Trust, Clayton, MO (“assuming institution”). No advance notice was given to the public.

All shares of Legacy Bank were owned by its holding company, Legacy Integrity Group, Inc., Scottsdale, AZ. The holding company was not included in the closing of the bank or the resulting receivership. If you are a shareholder of Legacy Integrity Group, Inc., you are instructed by the FDIC to not contact or file a claim with the receiver. The FDIC also states that “In accordance with Federal law, allowed claims will be paid, after administrative expenses, in the following order of priority:

I don't see any back links to Faal's site. Anyone care to guess if this is lifted from Faal?

PatColo
19th January 2011, 03:52 PM
I know this sounds stupid, but how does a vehicle and currency become a defendant?



beats me, I aint a lawyer.

And I have to backtrack on something: it's not the constitutionality of trojan horse legislation really aimed at gummit’s intention to eventually grab retirement accounts which is at stake. There's no related pending legislation that I'm aware of, and the Sorcha story doesn't say there is, I just interpreted wrongly. Rather it's a gummit asset confiscation which has already taken place, and has been challenged in federal court, IE precedent & constitutionality are at stake, with Judge Roll allegedly having preliminarily ruled against the gummit's action-- which would set precedent and slam the door on future such gummit confiscations.

Where/how to verify Roll's "preliminary ruling", I don't know, that's another loose end in need of nailing down. About all we can verify re the basics of Sorcha's thesis (without PACER subscription as you said) is that the case existed, and was assigned to Judge Roll.

On you presscore.ca link, I see it's author is unattributed, but doesn't appear to be Sorcha, as I believe all his stories are listed at http://www.whatdoesitmean.com.

PatColo
19th January 2011, 04:38 PM
Look at this link Chief federal trial judge, John M. Roll, a victim of Obama’s extrajudicial death warrants? (http://presscore.ca/2011/?p=955)



BTW the content of that article was almost a carbon copy of Sorcha's, except it throws in the name of an AZ bank which was closed on Fri before the shooting. Beyond that it's much lower quality than even Sorcha's stuff, as it doesn't ref or link to one claim it makes... besides not attributing the writer. Such Jr. High drivel, appearing at such a professional looking site.. :-X

Sorcha's article had some good links, including to the vets/CIA lawsuit stuff in the latter half.

osoab
19th January 2011, 04:44 PM
Look at this link Chief federal trial judge, John M. Roll, a victim of Obama’s extrajudicial death warrants? (http://presscore.ca/2011/?p=955)



BTW the content of that article was almost a carbon copy of Sorcha's, except it throws in the name of an AZ bank which was closed on Fri before the shooting. Beyond that it's much lower quality than even Sorcha's stuff, as it doesn't ref or link to one claim it makes... besides not attributing the writer. Such Jr. High drivel, appearing at such a professional looking site.. :-X

Sorcha's article had some good links, including to the vets/CIA lawsuit stuff in the latter half.


I need to do some more looking around the site, but it seems lifted to me. I hadn't come across the site before, but I saw some nice top stories about vaccines and gmo food on a quick browse.

osoab
12th June 2011, 05:36 PM
It's been a full court press for Gabby's first pics with short hair. The machine is doing it's best to keep her in the spot light and not the Federal Judge that was offed.

D sciple
13th June 2011, 01:06 AM
I wonder if Nordic Berserker got swat teamed up or just left the forum. Appears hes gone either way.

Glass
13th June 2011, 06:17 AM
It's been a full court press for Gabby's first pics with short hair. The machine is doing it's best to keep her in the spot light and not the Federal Judge that was offed.

I had the same thoughts.

JDRock
14th June 2011, 08:17 AM
congressman and federal judge shot! fortunately no Americans were hurt.

equineluvr
2nd May 2014, 10:19 PM
Says she's not dead yet (according to this link). Also the gunman was tackled and described as a teen or early twenties but no race mentioned. She was also (according to this link) wanting to crack down on illegal immigration. Hmmmm...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/01/08/2011-01-08_us_congresswoman_gabrielle_giffords_shot_in_ari zona_multiple_wounded.html

...Despite earlier reports that the Congresswoman was killed, Reuters and Politico reported that she is in surgery...

...The shooter, described as a man in his teens or early 20s, was tackled by a bystander as he ran from the scene, according to NPR...

...The Congresswoman is known for cracking down on illegal immigration, urging deployment of the National Guard and new technology to protect the Arizona border...


LMAO! I live in her district, and her "cracking down on illegal immigration" is the BIGGEST load of STEAMING HORSESHIT I have heard all year!

Thank you for posting that; I needed the laugh. ;)

equineluvr
2nd May 2014, 10:45 PM
<snipped>

I know this sounds stupid, but how does a vehicle and currency become a defendant?


In civil forfeiture cases. The government can seize a person's property EVEN IF that person has
been acquitted of criminal charges. It is a "legal fallacy" because it presumes that the person's
property is "guilty" because it "played some role in the commission of a crime."

Bottom line, it is unfair to property owners and a way for the government (not just feds, but
county or whatever) to get RICH!! It is absolutely WRONG IMHO.

equineluvr
2nd May 2014, 11:27 PM
Pat, I saw that case brought up over at glp. There were no legs in that thread, so I dismissed it.
Have you read anything about this case? You are only able to view the docket, not the actual meat and bones of the case. One has to subscribe to the PACER system to read it.


<snipped>


Here ya go:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/47987545/U-S-v-333-520-in-United-States-Currency-2007

equineluvr
3rd May 2014, 05:47 PM
“Top US Federal Judge Assassinated After Threat To Obama Agenda” (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1438.htm)

It’s Sorcha Faal, yes I know I know, but follow the links in this story- they’re legit and the thesis adds up- Loughlin is a mind controlled assassin; Judge Roll was the real assassination target based on his imminent unfavorable (to fascist gummit), precedent-setting ruling on the constitutionality of an asset confiscation which the gummit had done, and which was being challenged legally. It's speculated that a positive ruling from Judge Roll towards the gummit, would clear the way for gummit’s intention to eventually grab citizens' retirement accounts. Giffords and the others were to distract and parlay into different agendas. Federal Judge Roll wielded multiples more “real power” than Giffords, who’s only 1 of 435 votes in the House. Who has the MSMs attention been on almost exclusively? mmm hmmm, that’s a clue! Judge WHO??

Hey maybe all the blatant BS Sorcha Faal (alleged to be AKA David Booth, but whatever) has put out in the past was to make such a joke out of him & his “Sorcha brand”, that when he finally poops out a TRUE nugget like this, it’s categorically dismissed as BS..?

Later half of the article also gets into the area of CIA's history of mind-control experimentation, linking to current lawsuits from vets groups who, as young recruits, were fraudulently induced to volunteer for the experiments, deceived about the safety and true intentions of the experiments- and now they're damaged goods for life...

This might be worth it's own thread-- following which Federal Judge is assigned the “United States of America v. $333,520.00 in United States Currency et al” (http://dockets.justia.com/docket/arizona/azdce/4:2010cv00703/568697/) case, and how they ultimately rule, will confirm or debunk this story. Intriguing, though.


*edit to correct the nature of the case Judge Roll was tasked to rule on. See further parsing below.


First of all, the case in question here appears to be a standard civil asset forfeiture case; there are TONS of those, so nothing new here. The government has been seizing assets of innocent citizens for over three decades (began with the "War on Drugs"). Its most recent embodiment in federal law is CAFRA, The Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act of 2000. We can all thank Republican Congressman Henry Hyde for fighting to raise the standard of proof to clear and convincing. Unfortunately, the results fell short of that goal, and we are stuck with preponderance of the evidence (more likely than not, i.e. 51%).

It is a myth that Roll was some uberconservative; after all, he was a nominee of RINO Poppy Bush. You may recall the uproar when Roll allowed lawsuits brought by illegal aliens against American ranchers to proceed in our court system. Many folks were pissed, and rightly so.

Finally, for Roll to rule against forfeiture in the case (U.S. v. $333,520 or whatever) would be for him to completely ignore federal statute plus 30 years of precedence. That is NOT going to happen unless he wants his ruling to be overturned on appeal and possibly face sanctions for ignoring the law. In other words, he would piss off the DOJ all for naught. We conservatives complain about liberal judges legislating from the bench; well, for Roll to do that would be just as bad if not worse. Because usually lib judges fill a vacuum with their own crap where there is no established law to go by; in this case, Roll would be completely ignoring established law. That may cost him his judgeship, and frankly I just can't imagine that happening.

IMO David Booth has once again fooled a lot of well-meaning folks by connecting dots that aren't even related (I don't see the connection between U.S. v. $333 and the Arizona bank closure) and spinning something (Roll's prelim ruling) into something that it's not. That IS sensational, though, and it DOES get him readers. Why I will never know, that that's for another time. ;)