AZ Shooter Loughner Now Portrayed as Gold & Silver Bug

[gunDriller]

would be laughable but it's not -

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/01/giffords-alleged-shooter-made-video-showing-obsession-currency-tea-party-staple#

fresh from MoJo magazine -

"Jared Lee Loughner, arrested in connection with the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) and more than 20 others in Tucson, posted a series of often inscrutable YouTube videos outlining his philosophy. One video, posted in December, discusses, in a rather incoherent manner, the "new currency." Currency has been a staple issue of the Nativist right; its members fear that the shift from the gold standard to the Federal Reserve system (and the printing of paper money) has imperiled the country. The issue has lately been taken up by some within the tea party who have warned of the supposed dangers of printing money; some have even suggested using an alternative currency of silver and gold.

Concerns about currency stretch from extreme conspiracy theorists to traditional libertarians. For example, libertarian Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex.) has often warned against paper money, advocating a return to the gold standard. (Some Paul supporters have worried that Loughner's currency ramblings would unfairly tarnish them. "That [Loughner] was for gold and silver backed currency can only mean bad things for us," a commenter on RonPaulForums.com wrote today.)

In an online posting accompanying one of his videos, Loughner refers repeatedly to Article I, Section 10 of the Constitution, which states that "No State shall...make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts."


of course, MoJo is just one magazine.

i wonder if Loughner has any silver rounds or gold fracs tucked away.

[Shami-Amourae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecgt1JX_YY4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g76Jul_QMnQ

[chad]

i watched olberman the other night to see what insane thing he would say. he had a guy on from splc and they mentioned it.

[willie pete]

I read an article earlier saying the suspect was not cooperating with the authorities.....they said he hasn't said anything only asking for an attorney....if you cooperate and talk; all you're doing is to help convict yourself, never talk to the police ;D

[sirgonzo420]

Apparently the Congresswomen SUBSCRIBED to the "shooter's" youtube channel?!

She only subscribed to 2 channels, one of which was Loughner's....

Weird....


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=249381

[chad]

Apparently the Congresswomen SUBSCRIBED to the "shooter's" youtube channel?!

She only subscribed to 2 channels, one of which was Loughner's....

Weird....


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=249381


she personally knew him and had had run ins with him before. i expect some staffer subscribed to his channel to watch him and see what he was up to. :conf:

[mrnhtbr2232]

When the government starts popping caps with the same level of conviction at anyone who holds PMS, has guns, has anti-government sentiments, or acts as an individual, the same people aghast at the Loughner story will cheer the heroic efforts of the Fatherland.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

Mounting evidence has linked the 22-year-old gunman who severely wounded Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, killed a federal judge and killed or wounded 18 others in Tucson, Arizona to the political right.

According to a memo issued by the Department of Homeland Security in the aftermath of the shooting spree at a Tucson, Arizona strip mall Saturday, Internet activity by the gunman, Jared Lee Loughner, linked him to American Renaissance, which DHS described as an “anti-government, anti-immigration, anti-ZOG [Zionist Occupation Government], anti-Semitic.” The online publication of the organization advocates white supremacy and racial separation.

Giffords was critically wounded in the hail of gunfire unleashed by Loughner as the Democratic Congresswoman was holding a “Congress on the corner” event, meeting with constituents outside a local supermarket. Killed in the attack were federal Judge John Roll, Gifford’s aide Gabe Zimmerman, a nine-year-old girl, Christina Green, and three others.

Doctors voiced “cautious optimism” about Giffords’ prognosis after surgery for what they described as a “devastating wound.” She was reported to be in a medically induced coma Sunday night.

Loughner was charged in a federal indictment issued Sunday on first degree murder charges for the killing of Judge Roll and Gabe Zimmerman and the attempted murder of Congresswoman Giffords and two other of her aides. He is to appear in court today on the charges, which carry the federal death penalty. The gunman will face state charges in relation to the other victims who were not US government employees.

Judge Roll, who was the chief federal judge in Arizona, was himself the subject of hundreds of death threats in 2009 when he presided over a case brought on behalf of undocumented immigrants against an Arizona rancher. Vilified by right-wing talk show hosts in the state, Roll received hundreds of calls threatening to kill him and his family. “They said, ‘We should kill him. He should be dead,’” US Marshal David Gonzales told the Arizona Republic. Roll and his family were placed under 24-hour protection.

Speaking in Tucson Sunday, FBI Director Robert Mueller said that he did not believe any “specific threat remains” after the shooting, but that he did not “preclude that additional charges may be brought under the domestic terrorism statutes as the investigation continues.”

Investigators reported that a search of Loughner’s home uncovered an envelope with the words “My assassination”, “I planned ahead” and “Giffords”, together with what appeared to be Loughner’s signature. Also found in the house was a letter from Giffords thanking Loughner for attending a previous “Congress on the corner” in 2007.

Various classmates and neighbors have described Loughner as a loner who exhibited erratic behavior and signs of emotional and mental instability that led him to be suspended from a local community college last fall. Authorities demanded that he present a mental evaluation confirming that he did “not present a danger to himself or others” before he would be readmitted.

The gunman had attempted to enlist in the Army in December 2008, but was rejected. The media quoted unnamed sources as saying that he failed a drug test.

While he had a record of minor criminal charges, he was able to buy the Glock 19 semi-automatic pistol used in the shooting after passing an FBI background check.

Material posted by Loughner on the Internet included rambling and incoherent references to “conscience dreaming” and sleep walking. Intermixed with these seemingly irrational observations was rhetoric that appeared to have been absorbed from the stock in trade of the political right.

In a YouTube video posting consisting of scrolling text and music, Loughner railed against the “second constitution”, a term used by the political right to refer to the post-Civil War 13th Amendment banning slavery and the 14thAmendment guaranteeing citizenship to all those born in the US and equal protection under the law in every state.

On the eve of Loughner’s shooting spree, Republicans in the US Congress launched a vitriolic campaign seeking the scrapping of the 14th Amendment in order to deny the right to citizenship for children born to undocumented immigrants within the US. Arizona has been an epicenter of this reactionary anti-immigrant campaign. The incoming Republican leader of the Arizona State Senate, Russell Pearce, who authored the state law criminalizing immigrants without papers—since blocked by a federal court—is pushing this year for a state law denying citizenship to babies born to the undocumented and is leading a campaign nationally to promote similar legislation in other states.

Similarly, the YouTube video included the declaration, “No! I won’t pay debt with a currency that’s not backed by gold and silver.” This is a standard theme sounded by Fox News commentator Glenn Beck and others on the extreme right, who have joined to their reactionary ideology the promotion of gold sales as a lucrative side business.

Whatever Loughner’s mental issues, it is readily apparent that his violent actions were prepared and guided by right-wing political forces that openly promote and legitimize violence against their opponents. These forces have in turn been amplified far beyond any genuine popular base by the media network of Fox owner Rupert Murdoch and elements such as the Koch brothers and other wealthy financiers who have poured vast amounts of money into promoting the Tea Party and other phony political fronts for the extreme right.

Among the most frank and forthright in explaining this connection to the vicious crime was given by the seven-term sheriff of Pima County, Clarence Dupnik, who was leading the local investigation. In the immediate aftermath of the shooting, he denounced “the vitriol and rhetoric that we hear day in and day out from the people in the radio business and some people in the TV business”.

The sheriff’s remarks stood in sharp contrast to the response of so-called liberal Democrats from President Barack Obama and other elected officials to television commentators who, in their vast majority, cautioned against drawing any political conclusions other than the need for “civility.”

Dupnik cited previous attacks launched against Giffords over issues such as health care legislation and immigration. A former Republican, Giffords joined the conservative Blue Dogs Democratic caucus, but voted with the party leadership on these issues.

“Some of the vitriol got a lot of people very agitated,” said Dupnik. “There is no doubt in my mind that when a number of people night and day try to influence the public, there is going to be some consequences.”

“When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government—the anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country, is getting to be outrageous,” he continued. “And unfortunately, Arizona, I think, has become the capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry.”

The state has seen the increasing activity of vigilante white supremacist groups drawn to the border with Mexico in the hunt for undocumented immigrants. There is ample evidence that Giffords, the first Jewish woman elected to Congress in Arizona, was hated by these fascistic elements.

Last year, someone dropped a handgun at one of her public events, while an unknown attacker shot out the glass door to her campaign office.

Giffords was targeted by the Republican right in the 2010 elections and won a third term only by a 1 percent margin in the majority Republican district. Her political survival was a source of considerable frustration for the Republican right, which managed to oust Democrats in most other so-called swing districts.

Her opponent, Tea Party favorite and former Marine Jesse Kelly, had organized an event inviting supporters to join him in firing M16 assault weapons as part of the campaign to “help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office.”

In the course of the election campaign, right-wing protesters would gather weekly near her office carrying signs with slogans such as “It’s time to reload” and “One way or another, you’re gone.”

During the campaign, former Alaska governor Sarah Palin put up a web page that included Gifford among 19 other Democratic members of Congress whose districts were shown with a sniper sight’s crosshairs super-imposed upon them.

At the time, Giffords condemned the tactic, warning “When people do that, they have got to realize there are consequences to that action.” In response to such criticism, Palin replied on twitter, “Don’t retreat, reload.”

After the Tucson shootings, Palin’s web site removed the page, while an aide claimed incredibly that the crosshairs were not meant to represent a rifle sight, but rather a “surveyor’s symbol.”

Patricia Maisch, a 61-year-old woman whose actions in grabbing an ammunition magazine from Loughner as he was attempting to reload has been credited with helping to prevent an even more horrific massacre, was interviewed Sunday night on Fox News. Anchor Shepherd Smith asked her if she had any “words of hope” based on her experience.

“I don’t think so,” she responded. “Extreme right reporters on radio and TV have added to this problem. The extreme right has gone too far.”

Similarly, Congresswoman Gifford’s father, when asked if his daughter had any enemies, replied, “The whole Tea Party.”

[AndreaGail]

geraldo said anyone that wants to do away with paper money is a "whackjob"

[mamboni]

This Mother Jones piece is a total screed and pure yellow journalism. But I fear that the sheeple will buy all of it's many false and misleading premises.

Speaking of violence and political action, wasn't it a certain fellow named Thomas Jefferson that advocated for periodic watering of the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants?

[Antonio]

I read an article earlier saying the suspect was not cooperating with the authorities.....they said he hasn't said anything only asking for an attorney....if you cooperate and talk; all you're doing is to help convict yourself, never talk to the police ;D



I had to deal with the police recently and did a tiny time. I can assure you that you have no rights anymore, you can talk, keep silence or even play with yourself, the result will be the same.
When we begged for toilet paper in the cell, they laughed in our faces. I had to use my only peanut butter sandwich for the day to wipe my butt with.
Capisce?

[mamboni]

I read an article earlier saying the suspect was not cooperating with the authorities.....they said he hasn't said anything only asking for an attorney....if you cooperate and talk; all you're doing is to help convict yourself, never talk to the police ;D



I had to deal with the police recently and did a tiny time. I can assure you that you have no rights anymore, you can talk, keep silence or even play with yourself, the result will be the same.
When we begged for toilet paper in the cell, they laughed in our faces. I had to use my only peanut butter sandwich for the day to wipe my butt with.Capisce?


And then you ate it?

[MNeagle]

I read an article earlier saying the suspect was not cooperating with the authorities.....they said he hasn't said anything only asking for an attorney....if you cooperate and talk; all you're doing is to help convict yourself, never talk to the police ;D



I had to deal with the police recently and did a tiny time. I can assure you that you have no rights anymore, you can talk, keep silence or even play with yourself, the result will be the same.
When we begged for toilet paper in the cell, they laughed in our faces. I had to use my only peanut butter sandwich for the day to wipe my butt with.
Capisce?


What was the crime?

[Antonio]

I read an article earlier saying the suspect was not cooperating with the authorities.....they said he hasn't said anything only asking for an attorney....if you cooperate and talk; all you're doing is to help convict yourself, never talk to the police ;D



I had to deal with the police recently and did a tiny time. I can assure you that you have no rights anymore, you can talk, keep silence or even play with yourself, the result will be the same.
When we begged for toilet paper in the cell, they laughed in our faces. I had to use my only peanut butter sandwich for the day to wipe my butt with.Capisce?


And then you ate it?

No, dutifully flushed it down the toilet.
PS>I hope you at least realize that one kinda loses his appetite in jail anyway. ???

[chad]

I read an article earlier saying the suspect was not cooperating with the authorities.....they said he hasn't said anything only asking for an attorney....if you cooperate and talk; all you're doing is to help convict yourself, never talk to the police ;D



I had to deal with the police recently and did a tiny time. I can assure you that you have no rights anymore, you can talk, keep silence or even play with yourself, the result will be the same.
When we begged for toilet paper in the cell, they laughed in our faces. I had to use my only peanut butter sandwich for the day to wipe my butt with.
Capisce?


What was the crime?


i don't know, but it sounds like it might have been an italian job.

[sirgonzo420]

LOL.

Methinks Antonio a bit of a coprophile...

[Antonio]

I read an article earlier saying the suspect was not cooperating with the authorities.....they said he hasn't said anything only asking for an attorney....if you cooperate and talk; all you're doing is to help convict yourself, never talk to the police ;D



I had to deal with the police recently and did a tiny time. I can assure you that you have no rights anymore, you can talk, keep silence or even play with yourself, the result will be the same.
When we begged for toilet paper in the cell, they laughed in our faces. I had to use my only peanut butter sandwich for the day to wipe my butt with.
Capisce?


What was the crime?


I was stopped while walking out of a convenience store after buying a pack of cigs at midnight in da Bronx for ZERO probable cause, 2 guns in my back, cuffs, search and they found a straw with heroin residue on it. I DID ZERO WRONG. Regular stop and search,baby:).
Welcome to freedom.

[MNeagle]

You didn't answer my question.

What was the crime? Heroin?

I thought you couldn't afford to buy cigs... ???

[mamboni]

LOL.

Methinks Antonio a bit of a coprophile...


And he barks at the moon? ;D

[Antonio]

You didn't answer my question.

What was the crime? Heroin?

I thought you couldn't afford to buy cigs... ???

Yes,misdemeanor dope possession. Why do u care?
Worry about YOUR chance of stop and search and subsequent search of your house because they also found a 3" long knife on you.
That in NYC gives them the right to suspect you have guns in yoiur house and break the door.

[mamboni]

Father of young girl victim DOES NOT want further restrictions on freedoms:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Rj47lB1a-0Y

[willie pete]

I read an article earlier saying the suspect was not cooperating with the authorities.....they said he hasn't said anything only asking for an attorney....if you cooperate and talk; all you're doing is to help convict yourself, never talk to the police ;D



I had to deal with the police recently and did a tiny time. I can assure you that you have no rights anymore, you can talk, keep silence or even play with yourself, the result will be the same.
When we begged for toilet paper in the cell, they laughed in our faces. I had to use my only peanut butter sandwich for the day to wipe my butt with.
Capisce?



C'mon antonio...you're starting to sound like Antrollio :lol

[MNeagle]

You didn't answer my question.

What was the crime? Heroin?

I thought you couldn't afford to buy cigs... ???

Yes,misdemeanor dope possession. Why do u care?
Worry about YOUR chance of stop and search and subsequent search of your house because they also found a 3" long knife on you.
That in NYC gives them the right to suspect you have guns in yoiur house and break the door.


Just trying to follow the story here, that's all.

So when do they search your house? While you're in jail?

I'm trying my best to give you the benefit of my doubt, but a lot of things don't add up in your recollections.

[Antonio]

I read an article earlier saying the suspect was not cooperating with the authorities.....they said he hasn't said anything only asking for an attorney....if you cooperate and talk; all you're doing is to help convict yourself, never talk to the police ;D



I had to deal with the police recently and did a tiny time. I can assure you that you have no rights anymore, you can talk, keep silence or even play with yourself, the result will be the same.
When we begged for toilet paper in the cell, they laughed in our faces. I had to use my only peanut butter sandwich for the day to wipe my butt with.
Capisce?



C'mon antonio...you're starting to sound like Antrollio :lol


Have you done time in NYC Central Booking? I have.
Jeesus.....

[Antonio]

You didn't answer my question.

What was the crime? Heroin?

I thought you couldn't afford to buy cigs... ???

Yes,misdemeanor dope possession. Why do u care?
Worry about YOUR chance of stop and search and subsequent search of your house because they also found a 3" long knife on you.
That in NYC gives them the right to suspect you have guns in yoiur house and break the door.


Just trying to follow the story here, that's all.

So when do they search your house? While you're in jail?

I'm trying my best to give you the benefit of my doubt, but a lot of things don't add up in your recollections.


I`ve given you enough food for thought. Now, go and think.

[MNeagle]

Sure, I'll give you all the time you need for your answer.

[mamboni]

This has the makings of a TV series. Byline:

His is a world of hate and violence. He worships Stalin and has a penchant for feces. When he isn't feeding his heroin addiction or getting rousted by police, he is lecturing others on the superiority of all things Jewish and Socialist.

Stalinist Jew Historian Coprophiliac Drug-Addict

He's a complex man only his gay lover understands!

He's Antonio, and he's surviving in......
NEW YORK GULAG

Weeknights 9 PM Channel 35

[Antonio]

This has the makings of a TV series. Byline:

His is a world of hate and violence. He worships Stalin and has a penchant for feces. When he isn't feeding his heroin addiction or getting rousted by police, he is lecturing others on the superiority of all things Jewish and Socialist.

Stalinist Jew Historian Coprophiliac Drug-Addict

He's a complex man only his gay lover understands!

He's Antonio, and he's surviving in......
NEW YORK GULAG

Weeknights 9 PM Channel 35


Not bad but could be funnier.

[Ponce]

I read an article earlier saying the suspect was not cooperating with the authorities.....they said he hasn't said anything only asking for an attorney....if you cooperate and talk; all you're doing is to help convict yourself, never talk to the police ;D



I had to deal with the police recently and did a tiny time. I can assure you that you have no rights anymore, you can talk, keep silence or even play with yourself, the result will be the same.
When we begged for toilet paper in the cell, they laughed in our faces. I had to use my only peanut butter sandwich for the day to wipe my butt with.
Capisce?

...........
Si mi amici, capisco...................and that's why I always carry a wholeeeeeeeeee carton of tp when ever I go out hahahahahah well, at least aroll under the seat of each vehicle........

[Olmstein]

What was the crime?


Please don't encourage this troll in his attempts to hijack this thread, or any others. This thread is about the shooting in AZ, not Antonio's personal life.

[MNeagle]

What was the crime?


Please don't encourage this troll in his attempts to hijack this thread, or any others. This thread is about the shooting in AZ, not Antonio's personal life.


You're right. I've been avoiding the bait, but now got sucked in.
Sorry.

[nunaem]

We're being unfairly demonized in the media?


What's new? ;D

[Olmstein]

I'm beginning to understand why G-Khan shut down GIM(RIP). Can you imagine how the owners of the websites that the shooter frequented are feeling now? And how much unwanted government attention they are getting?

The more members and visitors a forum has, the higher the odds that one of them is going to be a nutjob who does something stupid and discredits the entire group.

[gunDriller]

This thread is about the shooting in AZ, not Antonio's personal life.


i guess it remains to be seen how much they play that up, i mean the fact that he advocated gold backed money.

one Mother Jones article does not a pattern make, unless it's a pattern for Mother Jones, which usually follows PC morays.

[ShortJohnSilver]

Using this same reasoning, you can "prove" that George Soros and John Maynard Keynes are affiliated with the "Nativist Right" ... after all Soros has talked about a new currency to replace the USD and Keynes was pushing the "bancor" ...