KSG: Kel-Tec Shotgun

[SilverTop]

Couldn't find a gun forum so I will just put this here. Mods feel free to move if I missed something.



Kel-Tec plans to introduce, at this year's SHOT show, their first shotgun. It's a bullpup design, similar to their RFB .308 semi-auto, but with a pump-action, two 7-round magazine tubes, selectable with a switch, and top and bottom Piccatinny rails. Target price: around $800.

http://www.keltecweapons.com/news/preview-kel-tec-shotgun-ksg

https://billstclair.com/blog/images/kel-tec-shotgun-500x250.jpg

"Imagine slugs in one side and buckshot in the other." -- L. Neil Smith

[woodman]

Sweet.

[midnight rambler]

Couldn't find a gun forum so I will just put this here. Mods feel free to move if I missed something.



Kel-Tec plans to introduce, at this year's SHOT show, their first shotgun. It's a bullpup design, similar to their RFB .308 semi-auto, but with a pump-action, two 7-round magazine tubes, selectable with a switch, and top and bottom Piccatinny rails. Target price: around $800.

http://www.keltecweapons.com/news/preview-kel-tec-shotgun-ksg

https://billstclair.com/blog/images/kel-tec-shotgun-500x250.jpg

"Imagine slugs in one side and buckshot in the other." -- L. Neil Smith


No, you're right - there's not a gun forum on this site, there's a 'firearms' forum which isn't at all the same thing, but few people are able to make the distinction. A 'firearm' is a weapon which falls under the National Firearms Act and requires a tax stamp, like a full auto, short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun, etc. Calling anything which is strictly NOT a 'firearm' a 'firearm' is only playing into the hands of the controllers.

Interesting looking shotgun there. I think I'll stick with autoloaders, like the FN SLP or a Benelli.

[SilverTop]

Couldn't find a gun forum so I will just put this here. Mods feel free to move if I missed something.



Kel-Tec plans to introduce, at this year's SHOT show, their first shotgun. It's a bullpup design, similar to their RFB .308 semi-auto, but with a pump-action, two 7-round magazine tubes, selectable with a switch, and top and bottom Piccatinny rails. Target price: around $800.

http://www.keltecweapons.com/news/preview-kel-tec-shotgun-ksg

https://billstclair.com/blog/images/kel-tec-shotgun-500x250.jpg

"Imagine slugs in one side and buckshot in the other." -- L. Neil Smith


No, you're right - there's not a gun forum on this site, there's a 'firearms' forum which isn't at all the same thing, but few people are able to make the distinction. A 'firearm' is a weapon which falls under the National Firearms Act and requires a tax stamp, like a full auto, short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun, etc. Calling anything which is strictly NOT a 'firearm' a 'firearm' is only playing into the hands of the controllers.

Interesting looking shotgun there. I think I'll stick with autoloaders, like the FN SLP or a Benelli.



Thank you for the education.

[General of Darkness]

Couldn't find a gun forum so I will just put this here. Mods feel free to move if I missed something.



Kel-Tec plans to introduce, at this year's SHOT show, their first shotgun. It's a bullpup design, similar to their RFB .308 semi-auto, but with a pump-action, two 7-round magazine tubes, selectable with a switch, and top and bottom Piccatinny rails. Target price: around $800.

http://www.keltecweapons.com/news/preview-kel-tec-shotgun-ksg

https://billstclair.com/blog/images/kel-tec-shotgun-500x250.jpg

"Imagine slugs in one side and buckshot in the other." -- L. Neil Smith


No, you're right - there's not a gun forum on this site, there's a 'firearms' forum which isn't at all the same thing, but few people are able to make the distinction. A 'firearm' is a weapon which falls under the National Firearms Act and requires a tax stamp, like a full auto, short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun, etc. Calling anything which is strictly NOT a 'firearm' a 'firearm' is only playing into the hands of the controllers.

Interesting looking shotgun there. I think I'll stick with autoloaders, like the FN SLP or a Benelli.



I'm with Midnight on this one. FN bought Winchester, and the FN SLP has the internals of the expensive SX3. I got my SLP for about $800 before it was known the SLP uses the SX3 internals.

Here's the pimp of all shotguns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t1RjviWeV4&feature=related

[Rebel Yarr]

uh lol ..anyway...

This first run at this by Kel-Tec is nice...Kel-Tec has really been putting out some ingenious products lately. This bullpup, pump shotgun brings to market something unique - hope it makes it to a semi auto version. Not many bringing anything new to the table lately.

[willie pete]

uh lol ..anyway...

This first run at this by Kel-Tec is nice...Kel-Tec has really been putting out some ingenious products lately. This bullpup, pump shotgun brings to market something unique - hope it makes it to a semi auto version. Not many bringing anything new to the table lately.


Agreed.........when (IF) the semi-version comes out, that'll be trick :D


Almost bought one of these back in the day....wish I had now... ;D


http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7918/spas12gauge.jpg

[platinumdude]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/firearm
a small arms weapon, as a rifle or pistol, from which a projectile is fired by gunpowder.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Firearm
A firearm is a tool that projects either single or multiple projectiles at high velocity through a controlled explosion. The firing is achieved by the gases produced through rapid, confined burning of a propellant. This process of rapid burning is technically known as deflagration. In older firearms, this propellant was typically black powder, but modern firearms use smokeless powder, cordite, or other propellants. Most modern firearms (with the notable exception of smoothbore shotguns) have rifled barrels to impart spin to the projectile for improved flight stability, increasing range and accuracy.

http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definitions/firearm?cx=partner-pub-0939450753529744%3Av0qd01-tdlq&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&q=firearm&sa=Search#922

A portable gun; "he wore his firearm in a shoulder holster".[Wordnet]
2. A gun, pistol, or any weapon from a shot is discharged by the force of an explosive substance, as gunpowder.

[midnight rambler]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/firearm
a small arms weapon, as a rifle or pistol, from which a projectile is fired by gunpowder.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Firearm
A firearm is a tool that projects either single or multiple projectiles at high velocity through a controlled explosion. The firing is achieved by the gases produced through rapid, confined burning of a propellant. This process of rapid burning is technically known as deflagration. In older firearms, this propellant was typically black powder, but modern firearms use smokeless powder, cordite, or other propellants. Most modern firearms (with the notable exception of smoothbore shotguns) have rifled barrels to impart spin to the projectile for improved flight stability, increasing range and accuracy.

http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definitions/firearm?cx=partner-pub-0939450753529744%3Av0qd01-tdlq&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&q=firearm&sa=Search#922

A portable gun; "he wore his firearm in a shoulder holster".[Wordnet]
2. A gun, pistol, or any weapon from a shot is discharged by the force of an explosive substance, as gunpowder.




I'm going by what the US Code says, and when you get down to it that's all that matters.

[Heimdhal]

I want to take it trap shooting. They already give me funny looks when I bring my mossberg out there (not the home defender type, the hunting type). ;D

[Ponce]

As long as a projectile comes out and it kills you I don't care what you call it.

[woodman]

It looks like a deadly little package. Kinda sexy. I don't know much about shotguns though. We have a basic 20 gauge but it is long and cumbersome single shot.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Kind of nice that you can have 14 in the tube.

[tater]

26.1" long is pretty compact for a shotty that holds 14 rounds. Just measured a fixed stock AK without flashhider and it was 34". I think I want one of these.

[freespirit]

i like the idea of switching between tubes. like was noted, shot in one, slugs in the other...

looks impressive enough...i'll be interested to see what else they have too...

[Heimdhal]

26.1" long is pretty compact for a shotty that holds 14 rounds. Just measured a fixed stock AK without flashhider and it was 34". I think I want one of these.


Would make a fantastic car/truck gun for sure.

[big country]

Kel tec sure has some cool guns out there. They are an innovative bunch for sure!

I'm going to have to see if the local gun store will have one of these when they come out. I want to check it out for sure. I also still have plans for a sub 2000 someday. I'm liking kel tec more and more these days...

[Heimdhal]

Kel Tec is a great company when you consider that they are regularly coming out with new designs and improvments to their existing products, they are american owned and operated (right here in flordia) using American labor and they offer their products at prices that all the import companies cant even touch.

[midnight rambler]

I see this shotgun as just a gimmick. Robust autoloading shottys which load one round at a time from the bottom will forever have the tactical advantage. A couple of 55 round bandoleers (where your slugs and other sundry loads are sorted out) and you're good to go. My Benelli M4 will hold a total of 9 rounds in the gun and the FN SLP will hold 10 rounds in the gun.

Of course if lack of training is an issue I could see where some folks would be drawn to a gimmick. Also it's worth noting that this Kel-Tec shotgun has an action which isn't very smooth and would tend to lend itself to short-stroking under stressfire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwN8jHSEhCE

[tater]

To me the allure of the Kel-tec shotty is how compact it is. 26" Vs 40" (Benelli) or 43" (FN SPL MARK 1). As Heimdal mentioned it would seem to make a great truck or car gun. If I was forced to choose between these shotguns as a gift, I would certainly choose the Benelli M4 8) , but dang 26" is short and that could certainly be advantageous in certain situations...no?

The pump action does look a little stiff however the second guy in the vid seemed to work it better than the first one did. I've got a couple of pumps that friends have shot and I can testify they were a lot more herky jerky working the slide action than I am. I could see where a big, long armed fella would find the pump action challenging on the kel-tec. I would like to handle one before I purchased it.

Anyway, the length and the ability to hold 14 rounds has my interest and I don't really go for "gimicks" per se. The shotgun I consider my self defense shot gun is a Mossberg 590 perhaps I could trade it plus about $1500 more bucks and I'll buy that Benelli. It really is a nice shotgun, congrats on owning one :).

[midnight rambler]

The one predominate theme about Kel-Tec is their ability to manufacture guns which are not very reliable. However their warranty/customer service is GREAT! Guns which are fun to shoot but not worth betting your life on.

There are really only a handful of long guns which I consider reliable enough not feel the need to pack a back-up sidearm (and I limit those to proven mil-spec sidearms), some of those are John Browning's designs (e.g. the Model 12 and the 1886), the AK, and the FAL.

The Mossy 590 is a fine pump shotgun and won't let you down. I would never trust my life with anything Kel-Tec makes unless I had first rate back-up handy.

[tater]

The one predominate theme about Kel-Tec is their ability to manufacture guns which are not very reliable. However their warranty/customer service is GREAT! Guns which are fun to shoot but not worth betting your life on.

There are really only a handful of long guns which I consider reliable enough not feel the need to pack a back-up sidearm (and I limit those to proven mil-spec sidearms), some of those are John Browning's designs (e.g. the Model 12 and the 1886), the AK, and the FAL.

The Mossy 590 is a fine pump shotgun and won't let you down. I would never trust my life with anything Kel-Tec makes unless I had first rate back-up handy.


Don't beat around the bush brother, how do you really feel ? ;D. Seriously, thanks for being so candid. I have never shot a kel-tec of any kind so my first hand knowledge of them is nil. I'm really not a shotty expert by any means either, I grew up thinking if it wasn't a remington it wasn't a real shotgun. Thanks again for the input as it's given me pause. Agree on the rifles btw, got a DSA bout 12 years ago and have never regretted it and the cheapo Romanian always goes bang.

[tater]

Little more info. How to load, how to switch tubes etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAQ8KvuuOk4&feature=related

[midnight rambler]

From that last video:

- MSRP $880.00
- sights not included, expect to spend at least another $100 for sights
- will only shoot 2 3/4" shells
- reliability not necessarily available

With the added expense of the sights one is in range of an autoloader like the FN SLP (10 round capacity) or a Benelli M1 or M2, and all of those will also shoot 3" shells.

If you're hung up on having a very compact pump shotgun for a 'car gun' then I would suggest getting the most reliable pump shotgun ever made, the Model 12 (in the best possible condition you can find since it hasn't been manufactured in 50 years), and turn it into this. No disconnector makes it the quickest pump shotgun in the world, bar none. Plus it's one of John Browning's designs, which means the action is buttery smooth and extremely reliable. Bonus: it's also a takedown, turning it into a backpack gun with or without the full stock.


The very low round count Model 12 I picked up for $450. And yeah, I have the full length stock as well. 6 + 1 capacity.

[Low_five]

Saiga 12, way awesomer, SFA (semi-fucking-auto) and available 20 rd drums.

Saiga fingerbangs, holds more, shoots faster than that KSG all day and all night for 300 bucks less. And its russian, and can take a folding stock. Plus, you might actually be able to find a Saiga in stock, as opposed to KelTec, who never has anything they offer for sale.

summary: KSG can suck a fat one.

[Awoke]

Easy for you to say. Saiga shotguns are prohibited in Canada.

Dominion arms is making a box-magazine-fed shotgun available in Canada now, with 5 round mags.

Check Canada Ammo dot com.

[Awoke]

Here we go.
Dominion arms 12 gauge, pump action, box-mag fed, 3 inch, Ghost ring sights, available in the fall of 2011.

http://www.canadaammo.com/images/P/DSC05978.JPG



Dominion also makes a nice backpacker called the "Baby Grizzly" which is a pump action shotty, which comes with either an 8.5 inch barrel or a 12.5 inch barrel.
These sold out fast, and the 8.5 inch is perpetually out of stock.

http://www.canadaammo.com/images/P/8.5.jpg

Also, just FYI, the Grizzly barrels will fit on a remington 870. (just sayin, for you 870 owners who want a back-packer shotty.)

[mightymanx]

Here we go.
Dominion arms 12 gauge, pump action, box-mag fed, 3 inch, Ghost ring sights, available in the fall of 2011.

http://www.canadaammo.com/images/P/DSC05978.JPG



Dominion also makes a nice backpacker called the "Baby Grizzly" which is a pump action shotty, which comes with either an 8.5 inch barrel or a 12.5 inch barrel.
These sold out fast, and the 8.5 inch is perpetually out of stock.

http://www.canadaammo.com/images/P/8.5.jpg

Also, just FYI, the Grizzly barrels will fit on a remington 870. (just sayin, for you 870 owners who want a back-packer shotty.)



Unfortunatly In the states that would land us in jail unless you pass the background check and get a short barreled shotgun tax stamp. 18"s is the magic number to keep the 3 letter agencies off your door step for shotguns. 16" for rifles

[Awoke]

Double check your state laws.
I thought that 18" was the minimum for Canadians too, (and our firearms "laws" are much more stringent than most states I believe) but as long as the overall length of the firearm is minimum of 26.5 inches, we're "allowed" to have it.

Not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that it is worth looking into if you're interested in owning something like the ones I posted above.

[NOOB]

Double check your state laws.
I thought that 18" was the minimum for Canadians too, (and our firearms "laws" are much more stringent than most states I believe) but as long as the overall length of the firearm is minimum of 26.5 inches, we're "allowed" to have it.

Not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that it is worth looking into if you're interested in owning something like the ones I posted above.



18 is the minimum here in the states (without a tax stamp). I looked at the old dominion stuff after you posted it and I don't think they can import to usa. Cool looking shotguns though.

[Awoke]

Wow, that is very interesting. I'm honestly surprised that we are allowed to have something that you guys are not allowed to have.

That really blows me away. Amazing.

Like I said above, we're not even allowed to have saiga shotties, because they are based ont e AK platform or something like that. Stupidness.

Anyways, that just encourages me to buy one of each of those Dominion shotties, while I still can! (once they're available)

[mightymanx]

yep you have discovered one of the Oddities of gun laws We can also no longer import Chinese surplus weapons like SKS's or AK's but you folks can I am a SKS geek and you folks have a far wider selection for about 1/2 the price I looked into buying some up in Canada it is only about 2 hours away. The leagle mumbo jumbo to do it was going to be harder than convicting OJ simpson for murder. So I gave up.

Just proving gun laws make about zere sense.

[Rebel Yarr]

Double check your state laws.
I thought that 18" was the minimum for Canadians too, (and our firearms "laws" are much more stringent than most states I believe) but as long as the overall length of the firearm is minimum of 26.5 inches, we're "allowed" to have it.

Not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that it is worth looking into if you're interested in owning something like the ones I posted above.



18 is the minimum here in the states (without a tax stamp). I looked at the old dominion stuff after you posted it and I don't think they can import to usa. Cool looking shotguns though.


Yup - LEO and AoW only - can't even touch them in WA unless LEO. Pretty hilarious the differences with CAN and US laws - shows that there is no rhyme or reason to gun laws.

[Awoke]

Yeah, well I wouldn't be surprised if they changed some of the wording so that these shotguns are restricted or prohibited in Canada, now that I know you guys can';t have them in the USA!

That's quite surprising to me!

[Low_five]

Wow, that is very interesting. I'm honestly surprised that we are allowed to have something that you guys are not allowed to have.

That really blows me away. Amazing.

Like I said above, we're not even allowed to have saiga shotties, because they are based ont e AK platform or something like that. Stupidness.

Anyways, that just encourages me to buy one of each of those Dominion shotties, while I still can! (once they're available)


I heard that in Europe, where pistols are impossible to acquire, silencers are easy to get and expected almost. Its more polite to your neighbors when you are shooting at the range... over here, silencers means you are a bad guy.