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Ponce
11th January 2011, 10:21 AM
In a way this story is an old one because the deal was made four years ago, at first the US was buying back the "surplus" ammo that we gave them for free..........we don't need more ammo but rather better shooter......no wonder the civilians wants so much ammo for what is to come.
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US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed.

Forces using 1.8 billion rounds of ammunition a year

By Andrew Buncombe
Monday, 10 January 2011

US forces have fired so many bullets in Iraq and Afghanistan - an estimated 250,000 for every insurgent killed - that American ammunition-makers cannot keep up with demand. As a result the US is having to import supplies from Israel.

US forces have fired so many bullets in Iraq and Afghanistan - an estimated 250,000 for every insurgent killed - that American ammunition-makers cannot keep up with demand.

A government report says that US forces are now using 1.8 billion rounds of small-arms ammunition a year. The total has more than doubled in five years, largely as a result of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as changes in military doctrine.


"The Department of Defense's increased requirements for small- and medium-calibre ammunitions have largely been driven by increased weapons training requirements, dictated by the army's transformation to a more self-sustaining and lethal force - which was accelerated after the attacks of 11 September, 2001 - and by the deployment of forces to conduct recent US military actions in Afghanistan and Iraq," said the report by the General Accounting Office (GAO).


Estimating how many bullets US forces have expended for every insurgent killed is not a simple or precisely scientific matter. The former head of US forces in Iraq, General Tommy Franks, famously claimed that his forces "don't do body counts".


But senior officers have recently claimed "great successes" in Iraq, based on counting the bodies of insurgents killed. Maj-Gen Rick Lynch, the top US military spokesman in Iraq, said 1,534 insurgents had been seized or killed in a recent operation in the west of Baghdad. Other estimates from military officials suggest that at least 20,000 insurgents have been killed in President George Bush's "war on terror".


John Pike, director of the Washington military research group GlobalSecurity.org, said that, based on the GAO's figures, US forces had expended around six billion bullets between 2002 and 2005. "How many evil-doers have we sent to their maker using bullets rather than bombs? I don't know," he said.


"If they don't do body counts, how can I? But using these figures it works out at around 300,000 bullets per insurgent. Let's round that down to 250,000 so that we are underestimating."


Pointing out that officials say many of these bullets have been used for training purposes, he said: "What are you training for? To kill insurgents."


Kathy Kelly, a spokeswoman for the peace group Voices in the Wilderness, said Mr Bush believed security for the American people could come only from the use of force. Truer security would be achieved if the US developed fairer relations with other countries and was not involved in the occupation of Iraq. The President, said Ms Kelly, should learn from Israel's experience of "occupying the Palestinians" rather than buying its ammunition.


The GAO report notes that the three government-owned, contractor-operated plants that produce small- and medium-calibre ammunition were built in 1941.


Though millions of dollars have been spent on upgrading the facilities, they remain unable to meet current munitions needs in their current state. "The government-owned plant producing small-calibre ammunition cannot meet the increased requirements, even with modernisation efforts," said the report.


"Also, commercial producers within the national technology and industrial base have not had the capacity to meet these requirements. As a result, the Department of Defense had to rely at least in part on foreign commercial producers to meet its small-calibre ammunition needs."


A report in Manufacturing & Technology News said that the Pentagon eventually found two producers capable of meeting its requirements. One of these was the US firm Olin-Winchester.


The other was Israel Military Industries, an Israeli ammunition manufacturer linked to the Israeli government, which produces the bulk of weapons and ordnance for the Israeli Defence Force.


The Pentagon reportedly bought 313 million rounds of 5.56mm, 7.62mm and 50-calibre ammunition last year and paid $10m (about £5.5m) more than it would have cost for it to produce the ammunition at its own facilities.



Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/us-forced-to-import-bullets-from-israel-as-troops-use-250000-for-every-rebel-killed-15050027.html#ixzz1AjwuFdB3

palani
11th January 2011, 10:28 AM
an estimated 250,000 for every insurgent killed

Don't worry. They do better when nobody is shooting back at them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings


The Kent State shootings – also known as the May 4 massacre or Kent State massacre – [2][3][4] occurred at Kent State University in the city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by members of the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guardsmen (77 total) fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis

Low_five
11th January 2011, 10:37 AM
223 is very difficult to get in bulk in brass these days. The best prices i can get shipped to kodiak is some mexican stuff called aguilla. Everything else is mostly steel.

ShortJohnSilver
11th January 2011, 12:20 PM
an estimated 250,000 for every insurgent killed

Don't worry. They do better when nobody is shooting back at them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings


The Kent State shootings – also known as the May 4 massacre or Kent State massacre – [2][3][4] occurred at Kent State University in the city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by members of the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guardsmen (77 total) fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis


Of course, Kent State was started by an FBI informant shooting first, thought everyone knew that at this point?

Horn
11th January 2011, 12:25 PM
http://www.ehow.com/about_5056922_lead-paint-poisoning-symptoms.html

Apparition
11th January 2011, 12:54 PM
Hooray!

Instead of allowing market forces to use our domestic metallic resources for manufacturing the federal gov't wants to expend those resources to use for occupations and murders.

How glorious.

mamboni
11th January 2011, 01:00 PM
That's just great: we give ammo to Israel for free and they sell it back to us for shekels.

America: Land of the Goyim and Home of the Schmucks.

Serpo
11th January 2011, 02:56 PM
The message being........if you want bullets .......go to Israel........they have got heaps.......

nunaem
11th January 2011, 02:59 PM
On a related note, how much money is spent for every taliban killed? Wasn't it something like 10 million bucks for every single enemy killed?

Is the GDP of Afghanistan even 10 million dollars? :oo-->

willie pete
11th January 2011, 03:16 PM
That's just great: we give ammo to Israel for free and they sell it back to us for shekels.

America: Land of the Goyim and Home of the Schmucks.



...and if you could trace it back, you'd probably come up with some crafty congressman or senator that brokered the deal with israel

Ponce
11th January 2011, 03:23 PM
Don't forget folks that we have about eight city blocks warehouses full of US weapons of every kind in case there is a war in the Middle East.......but of course the Zionists have access to all this equipmen in case of an emergency.....but of course they have a minor emergency just about every day when ever they do something wrong and the world talks about it.

Cobalt
11th January 2011, 03:24 PM
We are going about it all wrong.

If you think about it, what do they offer some guy to become a suicide bomber over there?
The answer is they promise him Virgins

So we take the money we would spend on ammo an buy a bunch of virgins and then tell them to bring in a taliban head and we will give you a virgin.

Virgins aren't as rare as many people think, I know in Nam many of those girls were virgins several times a day

Uncle Salty
11th January 2011, 04:44 PM
You need to add in all the innocent civilian lives killed to get a true cost per kill. Geez.

FreeEnergy
11th January 2011, 05:41 PM
I have to add to this. You know, green card holders (permanent residents, but not US citizens) aren't allowed into defense companies.

You would think that everybody else but US citizens won't be allowed.

and that would make sense.

You guess wrong.

Guess who else is allowed, besides US passport holders? Into the realm of top secret US institutions?

You guessed it right this time. Israel passport holders.


World is a small place. Thinking that your country is #1 is good. Realizing that you are nothing but an oligarch and zionist puppet - Priceless.

For everything else - there's gold and silver.

Ponce
11th January 2011, 06:09 PM
Free? if you mean the armed forces they yes they are......six months ago about 150 of them were made US citizens in Iraq.