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osoab
14th January 2011, 06:38 AM
Congress quietly prepares to renew Patriot Act (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/congress-quietly-prepares-renew-patriot-act/#)


By David Edwards and Stephen Webster
Thursday, January 13th, 2011 -- 5:30 pm

Rep. Mike Rogers (R-MI) has introduced a little-noticed bill that intends to once again renew controversial provisions of the Bush administration's USA Patriot Act that are due to expire this year.

When the act was first signed into law, Congress put in some "sunset" provisions to quiet the concerns of civil libertarians, but they were ignored by successive extensions. Unfortunately, those concerns proved to be well founded, and a 2008 Justice Department report confirmed that the FBI regularly abused their ability to obtain personal records of Americans without a warrant.

The only real sign of strong opposition to the act was in 2005, when a Democratic threat to filibuster its first renewal was overcome by Senate Republicans.

Since the bill introduced by Rogers on Jan. 5 was virtually identical to the extension passed last year, its passage was seen as likely.

"Given the very limited number of days Congress has in session before the current deadline, and the fact that the bill’s Republican sponsor is only seeking another year, I think it’s safe to read this as signaling an agreement across the aisle to put the issue off yet again," the conservative-leaning Cato Institute's Julian Sanchez wrote.

"In the absence of a major scandal, though, it’s hard to see why we should expect the incentives facing legislators to be vastly different a year from now," he added. "I’d love to be proven wrong, but I suspect this is how reining in the growth of the surveillance state becomes an item perpetually on next year’s agenda."

As senator, Obama promised to support reforming the Patriot Act, but voted in favor of extending it in 2005 and 2008. Similarly, he signed last year's extension into law with little fanfare. FBI and Department of Justice officials had consistently argued that restricting their blanket authority to conduct warrantless searches would harm national security.

Candidate Obama said in 2007 that if he were elected president there would be "no more National Security Letters [NSL's] to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime" because "that is not who we are, and it is not what is necessary to defeat the terrorists."

Much like Obama's vow to close the Guantanamo Bay military prison, the use of NSL's has also continued. Most recently, Obama's Department of Justice sent an NSL to micro-blogging site Twitter, seeking information on all 635,561 users who followed secrets outlet WikiLeaks -- a list that included Raw Story.

Obama's campaign website insisted that he has consistently said he would support a Patriot Act extension that strengthens civil liberties.

Action on his campaign pledge had yet to emerge by the start of 2011, and no significant reforms were reflected in Rep. Rogers' proposed extension.

Former Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI), perhaps the Senate's strongest opponent of the Patriot Act, was defeated by Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) in the 2010 mid-term elections.

gunDriller
14th January 2011, 06:50 AM
if the Patriot Act was truly patriotic, they would use it to surveil corporate criminals, banksters, Israel supporters, etc., and they would use that surveillance to get INDICTMENTS and CONVICTIONS.

and they would make the criminals that are caught pay for their own incarceration.

and they (the US gov) would claw back the money stolen to help pay for bank bailouts and maybe a few roads and schools - or simply to reduce the deficit.

the Patriot Act is Israel's tool and the Zionists' tool to watch Americans (like us) who might present a present or future threat to their literal plans for world domination.


has Canada passed their own version of the Patriot Act yet ?

osoab
14th January 2011, 06:55 AM
has Canada passed their own version of the Patriot Act yet ?



Well, they did ban Dire Straits's Money for Nothing (http://gold-silver.us/forum/news-and-current-events/canadian-censors-rule-against-25-year-old-song/msg167722/#msg167722). Is that patriotic?

chad
14th January 2011, 07:02 AM
robby noel did a great piece on this once while he was on rbn.

he related that the patriot act thing going on right now is an almost exact replay of what happened in south africa during the 1980s. terror laws were implemented to be used against "terrorists," and then were later turned on the general populace. i wish i had a copy of it. it was creepy how similar the 2 stories were.

sirgonzo420
14th January 2011, 07:03 AM
robby noel did a great piece on this once while he was on rbn.

he related that the patriot act thing going on right now is an almost exact replay of what happened in south africa during the 1980s. terror laws were implemented to be used against "terrorists," and then were later turned on the general populace. i wish i had a copy of it. it was creepy how similar the 2 stories were.


there's nothing new under the sun


history is a brilliant teacher with almost no pupils

osoab
14th January 2011, 07:10 AM
robby noel did a great piece on this once while he was on rbn.

he related that the patriot act thing going on right now is an almost exact replay of what happened in south africa during the 1980s. terror laws were implemented to be used against "terrorists," and then were later turned on the general populace. i wish i had a copy of it. it was creepy how similar the 2 stories were.


I didn't think you listened to Statdmillers' radio network? :D

JohnQPublic
14th January 2011, 07:12 AM
...Well, they did ban Dire Straits's Money for Nothing (http://gold-silver.us/forum/news-and-current-events/canadian-censors-rule-against-25-year-old-song/msg167722/#msg167722). Is that patriotic?


We'll see if the US bans Ben Bernanke's Money for Nothing!

chad
14th January 2011, 07:13 AM
robby noel did a great piece on this once while he was on rbn.

he related that the patriot act thing going on right now is an almost exact replay of what happened in south africa during the 1980s. terror laws were implemented to be used against "terrorists," and then were later turned on the general populace. i wish i had a copy of it. it was creepy how similar the 2 stories were.


I didn't think you listened to Statdmillers' radio network? :D


i used to listen to the flipside. now, i only listen to stadmiller's tuesday show (because it has bob on it).

i would pay $10 for the chance to punch stadmiller in the mouth. ;D

osoab
14th January 2011, 07:18 AM
robby noel did a great piece on this once while he was on rbn.

he related that the patriot act thing going on right now is an almost exact replay of what happened in south africa during the 1980s. terror laws were implemented to be used against "terrorists," and then were later turned on the general populace. i wish i had a copy of it. it was creepy how similar the 2 stories were.


I didn't think you listened to Statdmillers' radio network? :D


i used to listen to the flipside. now, i only listen to stadmiller's tuesday show (because it has bob on it).

i would pay $10 for the chance to punch stadmiller in the mouth. ;D


The monday and wednesday shows are not that bad either.

Sure wish robbie would do another show from S.A. He was one of the better hosts.

chad
14th January 2011, 07:19 AM
robby noel did a great piece on this once while he was on rbn.

he related that the patriot act thing going on right now is an almost exact replay of what happened in south africa during the 1980s. terror laws were implemented to be used against "terrorists," and then were later turned on the general populace. i wish i had a copy of it. it was creepy how similar the 2 stories were.


I didn't think you listened to Statdmillers' radio network? :D




i used to listen to the flipside. now, i only listen to stadmiller's tuesday show (because it has bob on it).

i would pay $10 for the chance to punch stadmiller in the mouth. ;D


The monday and wednesday shows are not that bad either.

Sure wish robbie would do another show from S.A. He was one of the better hosts.


if you go to robbynoel.com he's doing a weekly podcast. it's exactly like the flipside, only he only does it once a week.

mike88
14th January 2011, 07:36 AM
this will expire after the gov't looting of private citizen wealth is complete. The state wants all of it.

DMac
14th January 2011, 07:45 AM
sometimes I wish I were rich. If I were, I would send many copies of this book to the CONgress pests in DC.

CIA Whistleblower Susan Lindauer on 9/11, Israel, Iraq (http://gold-silver.us/forum/911-28/cia-whistleblower-susan-lindauer-on-911-israel-iraq/)