The sun rises two days early in Greenland, sparking fears that climate change is

[Ponce]

I don't mind saying that this story scares the hell out of me.
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The sun rises two days early in Greenland, sparking fears that climate change is accelerating.

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 4:29 PM on 14th January 2011

Experts say the sun should have risen over the Arctic nation's most westerly town, Ilulissat, yesterday, ending a month-and-a-half of winter darkness.

But for the first time in history light began creeping over the horizon at around 1pm on Tuesday - 48 hours ahead of the usual date of 13 January.
The mysterious sunrise has confused scientists, although it is believed the most likely explanation is that it is down to the lower height of melting icecaps allowing the sun's light to penetrate through earlier.
Climate change? The sun rose in Ilulissat, Greenland, two days early on Tuesday, ending a month-and-a-half of winter darkness. One theory is that melting ice caps have lowered the horizon allowing the sun to shine through earlier
Thomas Posch, of the Institute for Astronomy of the University of Vienna, said that a local change of the horizon was 'by far the most obvious explanation'.
He said as the ice sinks, so to does the horizon, creating the illusion that the sun has risen early.

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This theory, based on the gradual decline of Greenland's ice sheet, is backed by recent climate studies.
A report by the World Meteorology Organisation shows that temperatures in Greenland have risen around 3C above average over the last year.
It also reported that December was much warmer than usual with rainfall instead of snow recorded for the first time in Kuujjuaq since records began.
Low horizon: The fishing town of Ilulissat is Greenland's most westerly habitation. Temperatures in Greenland have risen 3C above average over the last year
It has even been suggested that the sun's early appearance could have an astronomical explanation.

But Wolfgang Lenhardt, director of the department of geophysics at the Central Institute for Meteorology in Vienna, scotched this theory.
He said: 'The constellation of the stars has not changed. If that had happened, there would have been an outcry around the world.
'The data of the Earth's axis and Earth's rotation are monitored continuously and meticulously and we would know if that had happened.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1346936/The-sun-rises-days-early-Greenland-sparking-fears-climate-change-accelerating.html#ixzz1B1yV264K

[keehah]

Easy to tell (if one was a real reporter and not a propaganda pusher).

Did the sun 'set' earlier in December?

What is the spot that the sun rose from? Was it rock or ice? What has happened to the elevation at that point?

And it could be a shift in the earth's axis. Changes by 20 feet a year. As fast as Ice can melt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandler_wobble

The Chandler wobble is a small motion in the Earth's axis of rotation relative to the Earth's surface, which was discovered by American astronomer Seth Carlo Chandler in 1891. It amounts to 20 feet (9 meters) on the Earth's surface and has a period of 433 days. This wobble combines with another wobble with a period of one year so that the total polar motion varies with a period of about 7 years.

Sudden changes in the wobble are common:
http://www.michaelmandeville.com/earthmonitor/polarmotion/2006_wobble_anomaly.htm

[Fullpower]

Sun Rises.
Early.
Alert the media.
Man the lifeboats.
Start the emergency generators.
EVERYONE PANIC IMMEDIATELY.

[Gaillo]

Sun Rises.
Early.
Alert the media.
Man the lifeboats.
Start the emergency generators.
EVERYONE PANIC IMMEDIATELY.



Indeed! This would seem to imply at LEAST a "minor" pole-shift... scary stuff! :o

[oldmansmith]

This IS significant. The ancients built things like stonehenge because the heavens were so reliable. Melting ice could maybe account for it but we need more information.

[Ponce]

You may joke today.........but you will cry tomorrow.

Count the ways, and the different ways, that everything is going wrong.....and if you don't know what will happen you will then suffer for it.

[nunaem]

Easy to tell (if one was a real reporter and not a propaganda pusher).

Did the sun 'set' earlier in December?



If the ice caps were sinking, wouldn't the sun set later?

[Gaillo]

Easy to tell (if one was a real reporter and not a propaganda pusher).

Did the sun 'set' earlier in December?



If the ice caps were sinking, wouldn't the sun set later?


I don't think the full magnitude of this is sinking in for all of you yet...

The ice caps shrinking or growing would not affect the seasonal sunrise date by ONE SECOND. In order for the seasonal sunrise to occur earlier or later, THE AXIS OF THE EARTH'S ROTATION needs to shift. This can ONLY occur through two naturally occuring phenomenon - a huge asteroid collision, or a pole shift. Since we OBVIOUSLY have not experienced a collision, the only explanation (if the reports are true) is a small pole shift. VERY, VERY scary stuff! :o

[palani]

Suppose there is any relation to the changes in your zodiac sign dates?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110113/us_yblog_thelookout/earths-wobble-means-your-zodiac-sign-may-be-wrong

The shift isn't new, Kunkle says -- the zodiac world just hasn't taken the wobble into account.

Here's your new sign below:

Capricorn: Jan. 20-Feb. 16

Aquarius: Feb. 16-March 11

Pisces: March 11-April 18

Aries: April 18-May 13

Taurus: May 13-June 21

Gemini: June 21-July 20

Cancer: July 20-Aug. 10

Leo: Aug. 10-Sept. 16

Virgo: Sept. 16-Oct. 30

Libra: Oct. 30-Nov. 23

Scorpio: Nov. 23-Nov. 29

Ophiuchus: Nov. 29-Dec. 17

Sagittarius: Dec. 17-Jan. 20

[nunaem]

Easy to tell (if one was a real reporter and not a propaganda pusher).

Did the sun 'set' earlier in December?



If the ice caps were sinking, wouldn't the sun set later?


I don't think the full magnitude of this is sinking in for all of you yet...

The ice caps shrinking or growing would not affect the seasonal sunrise date by ONE SECOND. In order for the seasonal sunrise to occur earlier or later, THE AXIS OF THE EARTH'S ROTATION needs to shift. This can ONLY occur through two naturally occuring phenomenon - a huge asteroid collision, or a pole shift. Since we OBVIOUSLY have not experienced a collision, the only explanation (if the reports are true) is a small pole shift. VERY, VERY scary stuff! :o


If satellites start crashing into each other we'll know.

As was mentioned in the OP, this stuff is closely monitored.. but if they saw anything I highly doubt they would tell us.

[osoab]

Easy to tell (if one was a real reporter and not a propaganda pusher).

Did the sun 'set' earlier in December?



If the ice caps were sinking, wouldn't the sun set later?


I don't think the full magnitude of this is sinking in for all of you yet...

The ice caps shrinking or growing would not affect the seasonal sunrise date by ONE SECOND. In order for the seasonal sunrise to occur earlier or later, THE AXIS OF THE EARTH'S ROTATION needs to shift. This can ONLY occur through two naturally occuring phenomenon - a huge asteroid collision, or a pole shift. Since we OBVIOUSLY have not experienced a collision, the only explanation (if the reports are true) is a small pole shift. VERY, VERY scary stuff! :o


Powerful earthquakes can also shift the axis, andthere is the hypothesis that gravity waves by distant star explosions can affect Earth too.

[Dogman]

Easy to tell (if one was a real reporter and not a propaganda pusher).

Did the sun 'set' earlier in December?



If the ice caps were sinking, wouldn't the sun set later?


I don't think the full magnitude of this is sinking in for all of you yet...

The ice caps shrinking or growing would not affect the seasonal sunrise date by ONE SECOND. In order for the seasonal sunrise to occur earlier or later, THE AXIS OF THE EARTH'S ROTATION needs to shift. This can ONLY occur through two naturally occuring phenomenon - a huge asteroid collision, or a pole shift. Since we OBVIOUSLY have not experienced a collision, the only explanation (if the reports are true) is a small pole shift. VERY, VERY scary stuff! :o


Powerful earthquakes can also shift the axis, and there is the hypothesis that gravity waves by distant star explosions can affect Earth too.


Also I would think of all of the water weight locked up in ice , north and south, if it melts and the melt flows more to the equator that could effect the center of rotation. As it is the earth is not round anyway, and as ice
melts from the poles, it could have an effect of possibility changing the axis of rotation.

? ? ?

[osoab]

Powerful earthquakes can also shift the axis, and there is the hypothesis that gravity waves by distant star explosions can affect Earth too.


Also I would think of all of the water weight locked up in ice , north and south, if it melts and the melt flows more to the equator that could effect the center of rotation. As it is the earth is not round anyway, and as ice
melts from the poles, it could have an effect of possibility changing the axis of rotation.

? ? ?


The Ice Caps are Growing (http://icecap.us/images/uploads/The_Ice_Caps_are_Growing.pdf)

An Inconvenient Truth: The Ice Cap Is Growing (http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/jan/10/inconvenient-truth-ice-cap-growing/)

[kregener]

Science should ban wool socks!

[k-os]

This story scares me too, Ponce. Thanks for posting.

[PatColo]

Clif High, webbot guy, was on Rense in 11/09 for an hour, whole hour was devoted to Clif's belief that a pole shift is imminent within 1-2 years from then. He's building a boat, says billions in lower lying places will perish. Said he's gonna head for the Rockies- why he doesn't just do that in advance I don't know, I'd have to listen to the hour again. Free audio with "data sheet",

Clif High
Free Audio (http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_Clif_High_110309.mp3)
2012...The End Of
Life As We Know It?


Images And Data (http://halfpasthuman.com/RadioSpecial.html)

[kregener]

I don't think the full magnitude of this is sinking in for all of you yet...

The ice caps shrinking or growing would not affect the seasonal sunrise date by ONE SECOND. In order for the seasonal sunrise to occur earlier or later, THE AXIS OF THE EARTH'S ROTATION needs to shift. This can ONLY occur through two naturally occuring phenomenon - a huge asteroid collision, or a pole shift. Since we OBVIOUSLY have not experienced a collision, the only explanation (if the reports are true) is a small pole shift. VERY, VERY scary stuff! :o


Okay...let us assume for the moment that this is the case.

What the hell is anybody gonna do about it?

[Bullion_Bob]

Sun Rises.
Early.
Alert the media.
Man the lifeboats.
Start the emergency generators.
EVERYONE PANIC IMMEDIATELY.



Indeed! This would seem to imply at LEAST a "minor" pole-shift... scary stuff! :o


Heck, this is nothing. I know at least two women in my office that cause significant pole-shift everywhere they go.

[Ponce]

Palani? recheck your numbers.......I am an Aries born way before April 18.

[Spectrism]

Be careful not to accept their premise of melting ice as the reason. That fits their global warming agenda but is likely not the cause.

When you see a sunrise, the sun is NOT visible in direct line of sight. You are seeing the refractive light BENDING around the horizon. In like manner, when the sun sets, it is already far below the horizon and still visible. If the index of refraction of the atmosphere changed, this would account for the time change in the visibility of the light.

air (–15 ℃) 1.00030942
air ( 0 ℃) 1.00029238
air (+15 ℃) 1.00027712
air (+30 ℃) 1.00026337
air (+60 ℃) 1.00023958

Notice that air index of refraction INCREASES as temperature decreases. If air is getting COLDER, then light bends more!

[EE_]

If a major pole shift was taking place..and I understand that can happen very quickly...would "they" tell us, or would "they" perpare to save themselves first?

[nunaem]

Sun Rises.
Early.
Alert the media.
Man the lifeboats.
Start the emergency generators.
EVERYONE PANIC IMMEDIATELY.



Indeed! This would seem to imply at LEAST a "minor" pole-shift... scary stuff! :o


Heck, this is nothing. I know at least two women in my office that cause significant pole-shift everywhere they go.




I don't know if that's a fat joke or a hottie joke. ??? :ROFL:

[EE_]

There are two major types of pole shifts.

They are:
A Geographical Pole Shift; also known as a Geophysical Pole Shift. This is the process wherein the North Pole changes positions somewhere between 0 degrees to 180 degrees with the South Pole. In a total positional change, the globe literally flips over, such that the two poles change positions. There is much evidence this has occured numerous times in the past. This would be a Slate Wiper! Continents would sweep over continents. Some continents would fall to the sea floor. Mountains would be hurled into the oceans; and, in some cases, be hurled into other mountains. The geography would change quickly. Ocean basins would sweep over continents wiping out all living things. There would be felt an instant tingling and then burning of the skin as humans would undergo flash freezing. At the same time cold areas would become tropic areas and vice versa.

Winds would reach 300 or more miles per hour, knocking down anything in their way. Giant tsunamis 3 and 4 miles high would sweep across most of the world, bringing enormous energy and pressure against whatever they strike. This would erase small countries and islands forever, leaving no trace of what was there for later history. But still, life has always survived to generate great civilizations.

Legends have it, and now proof exists, that there were advanced civilizations to rival ours and even far more developed than what we know as "modern." Those lost civilizations were Atlantis, the best–known, then Lemuria in what is now called the Pacific Ocean, Agartha, Shamballa, Yuga, Ultima Thule, and many more lost continents with far more advanced civilizations than what present day man is.

These global changes were Slate Wipers. They are the Ultimate Disasters. These gigantic cataclysms reset Time! and nearly wipe the slate clean of all traces of life.

Pole Shift is also known as a "shifting of the Poles," "Axis Flip," and "Axis Shift."

This type of Pole Shift involves the crust of the planet slipping on the rocky and liquid molten mantle. The second does not.

As the crust slips over the molten mantle, the locations of the Poles change. This means that the Poles of the North and South change too. The North could "flip" to the South and the South to the North. This is a complete Geographical Pole Shift. That is, there is a 180 degree shift in the respective poles, such that they physically change places with one another. However, they may "flip" somewhere between 0 degrees and 180 degrees, still a Pole Shift and not good for civilizations living on the crust of the Earth.

The former, Geographical Pole Shift, can take as little as a few hours to a few days! As we are now in the Galactic Plane, we may have several Pole Shifts of type one and type two.

We spoke of the effects of such a Geographical Pole Shift earlier. John White, writing in his book, Pole Shift, says of this type of Pole Shift:

"What would result from a pole shift? We can describe it as 'the ultimate disaster.' Enormous tidal waves would roll across the continents as the oceans became displaced from their basins. Electrical storms with hurricane winds of hundreds of miles per hour would sweep the planet. Tremendous earthquakes and lava flows would wrack the land. Poisonous gases and ash would fill the skies. Geography would be altered as seabeds rose and land masses submerged. Climates would change instantly. And if the shift were less than a full end–over–end, the polar ice caps, exposed to strong sunlight by having moved out of the frigid zones, would melt rapidly...[Emphases added]

"...huge numbers of organisms would be destroyed, including people, with signs of their existence hidden under thick layers of debris, sediment and ice or at the bottom of newly established seas."

The poisonous gases would come from the excessive volcanic eruptions as molten rock (magma) in Earth's interior makes its way to the surface along newly created breaks in the underlying rocks. When the magma reaches the Earth's surface, it is then known as lava.

Toxic Gases (and what you must know to survive):

We suggest you print this section for future reference regarding toxic gases.

usgs.gov has this to say about volcanic gases:
"The volcanic gases that pose the greatest potential hazard to people, animals, agriculture, and property are sulfur dioxide, carbon dioxide, and hydrogen fluoride. Locally, sulfur dioxide gas can lead to acid rain and air pollution downwind from a volcano."

Sulfur Dioxide Pollution:

"Globally, large explosive eruptions that inject a tremendous volume of sulfur aerosols into the stratosphere can lead to lower surface temperatures and promote depletion of the Earth's ozone layer. Because carbon dioxide gas is heavier than air, the gas may flow into low–lying areas and collect in the soil. The concentration of carbon dioxide gas in these areas can be lethal to people, animals, and vegetation.

"A few historic eruptions have released sufficient fluorine–compounds to deform or kill animals that grazed on vegetation coated with volcanic ash; fluorine compounds tend to become concentrated on fine–grained ash particles, which can be ingested by animals."

"The most abundant gas typically released into the atmosphere from volcanic systems is water vapor (H20), followed by carbon dioxide (CO2) and sulfur dioxide (SO2). Volcanoes also release smaller amounts of others (sic) gases, including hydrogen2sulfide , Hydrogen (H2), carbon monoxide (CO), hydrogen chloride (HCL), hydrogen fluoride (FF), and helium (He)," they also write.

They further point out the dangers of such gases:

Hydrogen Sulfide:

"Hydrogen sulfide ... is a colorless, flammable gas with a strong offensive odor. It is sometime referred to as sewer gas. At low concentrations it can irritate the eyes and acts as a depressant; at high concentrations it can cause irritation of the upper respiratory tract and, during long exposure, pulmonary edema. A 30–minute exposure to 500 ppm results in headache, dizziness, excitement, staggering gait and diarrhea, followed sometimes by bronchitis or bronchopneumonia.

One can see from just the noxious gases the Earth would be belching out, if this occurs world–wide, many species will die from just this being effected from the Geographical Pole Shift.

Regarding Carbon dioxide, they write:

"Volcanoes release more than 130 million tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere every year. This colorless, ordorless gas usually does not pose a direct hazard to life because it typically becomes diluted to low concentrations very quickly whether it is released continuously from the ground or during episodic eruptions. But in certain circumstances, CO2 may become concentrated at levels lethal to people and animals. Carbon dioxide gas is heavier than air and the gas can flow into low–lying areas; breathing air with more than 30% CO2 can quickly induce unconsciousness and cause death. In volcanic or other areas where CO2 emissions occur, it is important to avoid small depressions and low areas that might be CO2 traps. The boundary between air and lethal gas can be extremely sharp; even a single step upslope may be adequate to escape death.

If the Earth flips on its axis from 0 degrees to 180 degrees, the safe areas from world–wide mile's high tsunamis, will be high ground. Even a small degrees flip will generate such waves. Since 90% of the world's population lives along the sea coast, grave devastation and destruction will result. In some cases, your first warnings will be rapidly moving skies as the axis shift begins; if the shift occurs over a few days, some areas may have 30 to 40 foot, or even 80 foot waves come ashore. Other signs will be voluminous volcanic eruptions world–wide. These signs and severe geoclimatic changes mean the solar system, with the Earth, is now caught in the throes of the Galactic Plane. There's no escaping it!

Move to high ground immediately hundreds of miles inland if possible, with as many provisions as you prepared with and can carry and haul along, and search out caves to live in. Watch out for inland low–lying areas that will collect carbon dioxide gas. Caves may collect these gases and cause dire consequences. Throw a burning rag(s) into the cave. If the carbon dioxide is dangerous, heavy and high, the rags will go out immediately. Progress along the cave doing this or with a lit torch. If the torch goes out, back up and live only so far in the cave. Build a fire immediately and keep it burning continuously. This will signal the safe line and oxygen present to support life. If the fire, burning vigorously, goes out suddenly, move closer to the entrances and use the test method of rag or torch to ascertain safe levels. Remember: "...even a single step upslope may be adequate to escape death.

If you have a small animal(s) travelling with you, know that: .......
Want more? http://www.ih2000.net/chembio/poleshift.html

[Serpo]

Richard A. Lovett in San Francisco

for National Geographic News

December 24, 2009

Earth's north magnetic pole is racing toward Russia at almost 40 miles (64 kilometers) a year due to magnetic changes in the planet's core, new research says.

The core is too deep for scientists to directly detect its magnetic field. But researchers can infer the field's movements by tracking how Earth's magnetic field has been changing at the surface and in space.

Now, newly analyzed data suggest that there's a region of rapidly changing magnetism on the core's surface, possibly being created by a mysterious "plume" of magnetism arising from deeper in the core.

And it's this region that could be pulling the magnetic pole away from its long-time location in northern Canada, said Arnaud Chulliat, a geophysicist at the Institut de Physique du Globe de Paris in France.

Finding North

Magnetic north, which is the place where compass needles actually point, is near but not exactly in the same place as the geographic North Pole. Right now, magnetic north is close to Canada's Ellesmere Island.

Navigators have used magnetic north for centuries to orient themselves when they're far from recognizable landmarks.

Although global positioning systems have largely replaced such traditional techniques, many people still find compasses useful for getting around underwater and underground where GPS satellites can't communicate.

The magnetic north pole had moved little from the time scientists first located it in 1831. Then in 1904, the pole began shifting northeastward at a steady pace of about 9 miles (15 kilometers) a year.

In 1989 it sped up again, and in 2007 scientists confirmed that the pole is now galloping toward Siberia at 34 to 37 miles (55 to 60 kilometers) a year.

A rapidly shifting magnetic pole means that magnetic-field maps need to be updated more often to allow compass users to make the crucial adjustment from magnetic north to true North.

Wandering Pole

Geologists think Earth has a magnetic field because the core is made up of a solid iron center surrounded by rapidly spinning liquid metal. This creates a "dynamo" that drives our magnetic field.

(Get more facts about Earth's insides.)

Scientists had long suspected that, since the molten core is constantly moving, changes in its magnetism might be affecting the surface location of magnetic north.

Although the new research seems to back up this idea, Chulliat is not ready to say whether magnetic north will eventually cross into Russia.

"It's too difficult to forecast," Chulliat said.

Also, nobody knows when another change in the core might pop up elsewhere, sending magnetic north wandering in a new direction.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/12/091224-north-pole-magnetic-russia-earth-core.html

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[palani]

Palani? recheck your numbers.......I am an Aries born way before April 18.

Evidently precession of the axis is going to change your astrological sign. Sorry.

[woodman]

I've gotta call bs on the whole theory that geographic pole shift could occur (in any signifigant way) without an extreme displacement of normality. It would be armegeddon for the earth to shift enough to effect a two day difference in the observed sunrise over Greenland. If this is so, it can only be attributed to a local phenomena and not a planetary shift in rotational axis. Spectrism stated an interesting possibility. I think this whole thing is based on junk observations though. Whoever made the observations were probably smoking some really good stuff.

[osoab]

I've gotta call bs on the whole theory that geographic pole shift could occur (in any signifigant way) without an extreme displacement of normality. It would be armegeddon for the earth to shift enough to effect a two day difference in the observed sunrise over Greenland. If this is so, it can only be attributed to a local phenomena and not a planetary shift in rotational axis. Spectrism stated an interesting possibility. I think this whole thing is based on junk observations though. Whoever made the observations were probably smoking some really good stuff.



Tampa Bay airport adjusting for magnetic pole shift (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/tampa-bay-airport-adjusting-for-magnetic-pole-shift/)

[woodman]

I've gotta call bs on the whole theory that geographic pole shift could occur (in any signifigant way) without an extreme displacement of normality. It would be armegeddon for the earth to shift enough to effect a two day difference in the observed sunrise over Greenland. If this is so, it can only be attributed to a local phenomena and not a planetary shift in rotational axis. Spectrism stated an interesting possibility. I think this whole thing is based on junk observations though. Whoever made the observations were probably smoking some really good stuff.



Tampa Bay airport adjusting for magnetic pole shift (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/tampa-bay-airport-adjusting-for-magnetic-pole-shift/)


Magnetic, not geographic. Magnetic pole shift will put us in a world of hurt too.

[palani]

Reports are that the Rocky Mountains were thrown up over the space of 6 years. Turns out they are too pointy at the top ... no erosion to speak of.

Must have been an interesting time on the good ole earth then.

[osoab]

I've gotta call bs on the whole theory that geographic pole shift could occur (in any signifigant way) without an extreme displacement of normality. It would be armegeddon for the earth to shift enough to effect a two day difference in the observed sunrise over Greenland. If this is so, it can only be attributed to a local phenomena and not a planetary shift in rotational axis. Spectrism stated an interesting possibility. I think this whole thing is based on junk observations though. Whoever made the observations were probably smoking some really good stuff.



Tampa Bay airport adjusting for magnetic pole shift (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/tampa-bay-airport-adjusting-for-magnetic-pole-shift/)


Magnetic, not geographic. Magnetic pole shift will put us in a world of hurt too.


Chile Earthquake Altered Earth Axis, Shortened Day (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/03/100302-chile-earthquake-earth-axis-shortened-day/)

[osoab]

Reports are that the Rocky Mountains were thrown up over the space of 6 years. Turns out they are too pointy at the top ... no erosion to speak of.

Must have been an interesting time on the good ole earth then.


I have never heard of that palani. Would the Himalayas have the same history? Is this backing for crustal displacement on a super shortened timescale?

[FreeEnergy]

Easy to tell (if one was a real reporter and not a propaganda pusher).

Did the sun 'set' earlier in December?



If the ice caps were sinking, wouldn't the sun set later?


I don't think the full magnitude of this is sinking in for all of you yet...

The ice caps shrinking or growing would not affect the seasonal sunrise date by ONE SECOND. In order for the seasonal sunrise to occur earlier or later, THE AXIS OF THE EARTH'S ROTATION needs to shift. This can ONLY occur through two naturally occuring phenomenon - a huge asteroid collision, or a pole shift. Since we OBVIOUSLY have not experienced a collision, the only explanation (if the reports are true) is a small pole shift. VERY, VERY scary stuff! :o


Actually, the axis isn't set in stone. It fluctuates, it rotates in a small circle around the pole. That explains everything BTW.

Abort the bunker routine.

[palani]

I have never heard of that palani. Would the Himalayas have the same history? Is this backing for crustal displacement on a super shortened timescale?

Just a theory anyway. I expect when all that ice builds up at the poles and an imbalance occurs, seeing as how the continents are floating on liquid magma, all that weight is going to want to transfer itself to the equator fairly quickly. Then you have the momentum of the thing causing interesting things to happen.

Something keeps that magma hot. I imagine the friction of continents shifting around would melt some rock.

[osoab]

I have never heard of that palani. Would the Himalayas have the same history? Is this backing for crustal displacement on a super shortened timescale?

Just a theory anyway. I expect when all that ice builds up at the poles and an imbalance occurs, seeing as how the continents are floating on liquid magma, all that weight is going to want to transfer itself to the equator fairly quickly. Then you have the momentum of the thing causing interesting things to happen.

Something keeps that magma hot. I imagine the friction of continents shifting around would melt some rock.


I have also read some some stuff that with the increasing ice @ the poles you get increased volcanic activity due to the pressure placed upon the crust.

[Ponce]

Now I have to worry about the economy, food, water, the world shifting, the Zionist, poletics, darnnnnnnn, the Indians in the Amazon are more ready than I am......and don't forget the sharks on main street......I just might have to get more more boxes of tp.......I feel naked ufffffffffffffffffffff :conf:

[keehah]

Globe and Mail: New documentary recounts bizarre climate changes seen by Inuit elders (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/movies/new-documentary-recounts-bizarre-climate-changes-seen-by-inuit-elders/article1763952/)

Published Tuesday, Oct. 19, 2010 4:00PM EDT

Imagine how this feels: The land and weather are turning erratic and dangerous. Warmer, unpredictable winds are coming from strange directions. Severe floods threaten to wash away towns. And native animals, the food supply, aren’t behaving as they used to, their bodies less capable in the changing climate.

Even stranger is the fact that the sun now appears to set many kilometres off its usual point on the horizon, and the stars are no longer where they should be. Is the Earth shifting on its axis, causing the very look of the sun and stars to change?

These are the drastic conditions Northern Canadians, whose lives depend from childhood on their knowledge of the most minute details of the Arctic land and skies, say they see all around them. These observations by Inuit elders are detailed in a groundbreaking new documentary, Inuit Knowledge and Climate Change, by acclaimed Nunavut filmmaker Zacharias Kunuk (The Fast Runner, The Journals of Knud Rasmussen) and environmental scientist Ian Mauro.

The documentary – screening at Toronto’s imagineNATIVE film and media arts festival this weekend and streaming live at isuma.tv – is the first to ask Inuit elders to describe the severe environmental changes in the Arctic they are seeing and to do so in their own language. The tone of the film is intimate. The elders aren’t trying to cross a language barrier, or even speak to the Southern scientific community. They’re simply imparting their expert knowledge and wisdom – and the result will undoubtedly cause controversy.

“Over the years, nobody has ever listened to these people. Every time [the discussion is] about global warming, about the Arctic warming, it’s scientists that go up there and do their work. And policy makers depend on these findings. Nobody ever really understands the people up there,” Kunuk says...

When the filmmakers presented some of their findings at the Copenhagen conference on climate change last year, the media picked up on these views of the Inuit subjects, film co-director Ian Mauro says, and alarm bells started to ring in the scientific community. “We had a litany of scientists come back to us, responding after seeing this news, saying, ‘This was great to be speaking to indigenous people about their views, but if you continue to perpetuate this fallacy that the Earth had tilted on its axis, [the Inuit] .... would lose all credibility.’ And so there was really this backlash by the scientific community.”

Still, the Inuit insist they see changes in the sun’s course and the position of the stars in the night sky. “These elders, when they were growing up, they were told to go out every morning, before having anything to eat. They were told to go out at the age of 5 every morning to observe the weather,” Kunuk says. “So when they started talking about the sun and the sunset, I was puzzled too. Everywhere I went, each community, I was getting the same answer: The sun does not settle where it used to. I mean, it [causes] alarm.”

The scientific explanation is that the warming Arctic air is causing temperature inversions, which in turn cause the light of the sunset to refract so that the sun appears to be setting a few kilometres off-kilter. “There is so much garbage in the air, it’s refraction that’s causing our elders to think our world has tilted,” Kunuk says.

But the filmmakers don’t include that scientific explanation in the film, nor any other comments from the scientific community.

Just as an aside, as I child I lived for two years in the same Inuit community as Zacharias Kunuk (Igloolik) and we are about the same age. I don't remember him (6 years is a big age difference for a kid) but my mother does. Igloolik is near the bottom part of the solid blue section of the magnetic field lines in Serpo's image above. It would have been even more directly under the magnetic north pole a little over 40 years ago when I lived there.

[Serpo]

How does the sun know what day it is supposed to rise anyway....unless of course it has a sun dial.............haha......and sorry....haha

[Neuro]

Legends have it, and now proof exists, that there were advanced civilizations to rival ours and even far more developed than what we know as "modern." Those lost civilizations were Atlantis, the best–known, then Lemuria in what is now called the Pacific Ocean, Agartha, Shamballa, Yuga, Ultima Thule, and many more lost continents with far more advanced civilizations than what present day man is.

Agartha! I remember Agartha ;)...
http://www.crystalinks.com/agarthamap.jpg

[keehah]

Getting off topic here, but I felt a need to respond after listening to Cliff's talk (again).


Clif High, webbot guy, was on Rense in 11/09 for an hour, whole hour was devoted to Clif's belief that a pole shift is imminent within 1-2 years from then. He's building a boat, says billions in lower lying places will perish. Said he's gonna head for the Rockies- why he doesn't just do that in advance I don't know, I'd have to listen to the hour again. Free audio with "data sheet",

Clif High
Free Audio (http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_Clif_High_110309.mp3)
2012...The End Of
Life As We Know It?
Images And Data (http://halfpasthuman.com/RadioSpecial.html)

I normally support Cliff, but his science (such as this interview) show him lacking.
Must have been a repeat. He talks of having waited for the graphics but the graphics page says 2009. So I think that is why I knew I had seen them years ago.

I'm pretty sure I wrote a critique on this juvenile (magnetism, 'old school' tetrahedron understanding, internal inconsistency of the images, 'leaps' in explaining his theory) approach to understanding the sun years ago. And still talking of the 'great new cycle (NASA and others after another two years of solar minimum have downgraded this next solar cycle). And talk of local effects that sound like HAARP games. It would also explain why his more recent interviews have moved on from this solid core talk to hollow talk (he always gives us something new).

This quote can sum up a review of Cliff's presentation:


There are many crippling agreements that hold up progress in astrophysics. One was succinctly expressed at a recent public meeting by a professor of astrophysics who admitted, "'When we don't understand something we blame it on magnetism."' The Sun has had more features blamed on magnetism than any other celestial object.
http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=s9ke93mf
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060414sunspots.htm

[DMac]

The hype in the news about this is just regular MSM fear mongering (2012 etc). If aurora borealis was showing up in NY and Florida, we'd have reason to be concerned.

The reports of a shift in the pole we've seen (tampa airport, greenland, russia & magnetic north) is normal behavior and happens every XYZ years.

Axial precession (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_precession_%28astronomy%29)

A reversal of the magnetic poles takes many years to happen and didn't seem to cause any extinctions in the past.

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/29dec_magneticfield.html

Media induced fear.

Be afraid of the deficit not a pole shift...

[keehah]

It may be about media induced fear DMac, but your soothsaying about magnetic pole shift does not address geographical pole shift and leaves me soothless. ;D

[gunDriller]

The ice caps shrinking or growing would not affect the seasonal sunrise date by ONE SECOND. In order for the seasonal sunrise to occur earlier or later, THE AXIS OF THE EARTH'S ROTATION needs to shift. This can ONLY occur through two naturally occuring phenomenon - a huge asteroid collision, or a pole shift. Since we OBVIOUSLY have not experienced a collision, the only explanation (if the reports are true) is a small pole shift. VERY, VERY scary stuff! :o


but there might be a silver lining.

some of us could find ourselves owning beachfront property. in Arkansas or something.

[Nordmann]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7mxxyniYq8

[Horn]

I'm going with the "cosmic dust bending light optical illusion" theory.

http://www.astrophoto.com/ZodiacalLight.jpg

It brings me comfort anyway.

[keehah]

Cosmic dust does not comfort me Horn.
From what I have learned, this is the root of much evil! At the same time it brings the energy for life though. Always to the conundrum.

C. E. R. Bruce of the British Electrical Association for many years sought recognition of the place of electricity and lightning in the creation and destruction of whole galaxies of the universe. He described lightning discharges of 6x1011 miles in width and ten times as long generating temperatures of 5x108 degrees Celsius and lasting for 106 years or more. The discharges occur amidst accumulations of cosmic dust.

Thats gotta hurt! 8)


Bruce's colleague, Eric Crew, who shares his views, has given more attention to cosmic lightning within the solar system and particularly in encounters involving earth. How he handles electrical problems of large-body encounters can be exemplified in the following passages:

If a charged body B (such as a large comet) approaches a planet A which has an atmosphere, opposite charges are induced and the atmosphere will be pulled out towards B. This increases the voltage gradient between B and the extended atmosphere very rapidly and violent discharges may take place even though the two bodies are separated by a considerable distance. The effect is intensified if both A and B have atmospheres, and even more so if they have opposite charges.

The effect... is to cause jet of compressed material to form and for the substance to be ejected on to the negatively charged body, or the induced negative charge.

Charges induced in the solid surface of A as B approaches will cause a ground current to flow and the resistance of its path will cause the induced charge to lag behind the line joining A and B. The electrical force will produce a turning moment on A and B and the resultant motion will depend on the direction of the force in relation to the axis of rotation of A and B. The displacement may be increased if B has a crust floating on a molten interior, as the moment of inertia of this would be much smaller than that of a completely rigid sphere, even if the possible tilting of the axis is ignored.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/torturedearth/tortured_earth06.htm

[BillBoard]

Does this has to do anything with all those dead fish, birds and animals that are being found dead in large amounts?

[Horn]

Cosmic dust does not comfort me Horn.
From what I have learned, this is the root of all evil! At the same time it brings the energy for life though. Always to the conundrum.

With all the crap they're putting into the atmosphere these days, you've got to be prepared for more than bit of static discharge?

Add to that a re-entry into Oort major & at least we'll go out with a boom & not a whimper.

We get it from all sides...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUW_8cWG7YA

[gunDriller]

maybe it was just some Reykjavikian
firing up a grow light,
in the middle of
the Iceland winter night.

[PatColo]

Sorcha Faal has spoken; further speculation will be unnecessary at this time.


January 19, 2011

Greenland Sunrise Shocks World As Superstorms Pound Planet (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1439.htm)

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

Reports that the Arctic sunrise in Greenland arrived two-days early on January 11th has shocked scientists the world over as this historic event leaves many wondering if, in fact, the End of Days are now truly here. [more]

[Horn]

Sorcha Faal has spoken; further speculation will be unnecessary at this time.


Whew, I'm gonna have to get my head gear & boots on to wade any further out.

I'll get back to ya...

[ximmy]

If the sun rose two days early... wouldn't that mean Calendar Change? :-\

[Horn]

If the sun rose two days early... wouldn't that mean Calendar Change? :-\


No, only that there would be less need for daylight savings time... 8)

[keehah]

Yes. Calendar change!

http://www.ancient-world-mysteries.com/egyptian-calendar-360-days.html

Perhaps once HAARP is perfected and accepted, the elites will claim a tax to save us from future calendar change as well as climate change. ;D

[Horn]

Once HAARP is perfected to standard subroutines, only the western hemisphere will receive regular doses of sunshine.