Real Life: Broker friend of mine, lurker here, off'ed himself this morning...

[Libertytree]

Eddie was his name, a tough, stocky guy from New York city. Starting from nothing and with enough drive and savvy to work his way up in the financial biz and do very well for himself, very well at times. I met Eddie in Nov 2008 right after I cam back from Costa Rica, he had bought the house I lost through the divorce and a shitty housing market, loving the move from NY to Fl and the slower, safer pace for his family (wife,son and daughter). He had moved during the 08 collapse.

He was a sheeple when we 1st met but given his occupation and my knowledge/beliefs of economic and monetary matters we quickly had long conversations, most of them about the things we here discuss and know. He knew very little at first but had become fully aware and I guess I'll always wonder if that much information and his financial matters were the things that made him pull that trigger. When we had our first conversation he thought I was a radical, crazy, militia kinda guy but after some time and more conversation he realized I wasn't full of shit and actually had a brain, he soaked all the info in and researched it, put it all together and was blown away by the truth. He even made some good calls based on this new information but I guess not enough?

I imagine this is the face of things to come, from all walks of life.

On the other hand I'm pissed he was such a coward.

[sirgonzo420]

I'm sorry to hear that.

[solid]

Damn, my prayers go out to that man's family. Sorry to hear about this, Liberty. It's a shock when it's close to home..all the best.

[bellevuebully]

Condolences LT. I'm sorry, I don't know what else to say.....

[RJB]

That's rough, man.

Don't blame yourself for opening his eyes. Someone warned you and you prepared. Aren't you better off now?

He probably had a lot of other issues going on. Think of everything bouncing around your head in your personal life. Maybe he was on prozac. You never know...

[gunny highway]

that's sad.

[Libertytree]

There really ain't anything to say really, he had a million dollar ins policy that paid even for suicide and I reckon he thought he was better off dead for his families sake? I mostly hate it for the kids and wife.

The second part of all this type thinkin' is how other people will react to things as they get even get worse. I thought Eddie was a fighter though and certainly never saw this coming.

[nunaem]

That's a shame, most people do it out of momentary hopelessness, never giving themselves time to clear their heads.

[hoarder]

Sad to hear your friend died, especially someone who was awake.
There may unknown undisclosed factors that you'll never know....disease, something he was ashamed of, who knows. Don't stop waking people up.

[General of Darkness]

Why did he off himself?

[Libertytree]

Why did he off himself?


I can only imagine that his business was F'd and was in the hole BIG time. This shit came up about a year ago but it passed with the ebb and flow as is the nature of the brokerage biz. That's the only thing I can think of..and one thing about Eddie, he was ALL about the dollar.

[MAGNES]

Wow, sorry to hear that, why do that, never give up, live your life,
people in the past survived far worse than this and didn't kill themselves,
they had hope and looked forward to better days lived their lives and moved
forward and survived and did well.

[Twisted Titan]

Some People just cant handle loss

But it is extra sad when the loss is about paper.

Paper.

A instrument that has no meaning at all above the illusion that a small coterie of men has sold us as being true.


A Real Death for Fake Paper

Christ.


My Condelences LT.


T

[Spectrism]

If you live by the dollar you will die by the dollar.


I will wax spiritual here (what else? right?).... there are spiritual entities with their strengths in certain areas, who go out and oppress people. There are suicidal spirits that tell people "all is lost", "you are worthless", "you are better off dead", "it is easier to end it", "you are in a hopeless box", etc. If you are unable to see the deceiver and you have no protective shelter, you will be beaten.

[Book]

...and one thing about Eddie, he was ALL about the dollar.



There it is.

[osoab]

Lib, sorry to hear about your friend. I feel for his family. Suicide is definitely not painless.

[MNeagle]

My condolences LT. Tragic.

[Sparky]

Hard to understand, what with a family and all. Think his family would rather have him back, or the million bucks?

[AOW]

I was a broker for 15 years before I was laid off at the end of 2009 for low production. I was awake all through that year and before and never wanted to put clients into "investments" I no longer believed in. The end came as a shock, and as I said my goodbyes to all the others there I was shocked even further by the despondency of some of the other brokers as they told me their stories. I hear the pressure at the firm increased 10 fold in 2010 and I can only imagine how awful it would be now if that was still the way I made my living.

[zap]

Sorry LT, I feel for his family, You never know what is going on in somebodys head.

I say fight till you can't fight anymore. (I guess he couldn't fight anymore.)

Hang in there my friend.

[LuckyStrike]

...and one thing about Eddie, he was ALL about the dollar.



There it is.


Indeed, not much else you can say.

To me suicide is one of the most tragic ways to go, sadly I went from not knowing anyone who had killed themselves to 3 in the past 2 years. Nobody that I was really close to, but I didn't see any of them coming. When Curt Maynard killed himself it hit surprisingly hard considering I had never had any correspondence with him. Suicide is something that is hard to reconcile for those left behind.

I don't understand how someone gets to that point, where suicide even becomes an option.

If anyone on here, or lurking ever considers it or just wants someone to talk to about stuff don't ever hesitate to PM me. I would honestly hate to find out anyone here killed themselves.

I'm sorry for your loss LT.

[po boy]

Lt, I'm sorry you feel he was weak as I couldn't do it even though I have thought of it many times as a way out of the hell I was living in but stayed the course for my family and those that needed a helping hand and that I have seen the destruction it causes. I had a sister that has and please believe me it's not a easy thing to understand.

I had a friend kill himself on my birthday I knew it wasn't an accident as I had talked him down months prior his family did not know anything and I live with that knowledge everyday.

I've heard they were weak, selfish...but it was their pain and their life and to make them keep on living to please others seems to me now to to be selfish to make them live in misery so that others don't feel pain.

I'm not sure this post makes sense so take as you will.

[cedarchopper]

When everything goes wrong and the darkness sets in, it must make sense at the time. When you make money from doing deals and the deals don't happen anymore...there is no light at the end of the tunnel. The million bucks looked like the only way out...maybe.

[ShortJohnSilver]

What a shame that this guy who was a fighter, allowed himself to be broken, due to what? Maybe the way he thought others would think of him as he and his family went through a tremendously difficult financial time ...

Sad thing is, in a few years that million may only be worth 100 loaves of bread...

[Libertytree]

I appreciate all of your kind words and I share your sentiments and thoughts on the matter. Sense just can't be made from the senseless, it just is what it is and no amount of pondering will change it. It ain't the 1st time or the last that desperate acts will be committed because of the "dollar" but I do think we'll possibly see and hear more of these instances as time progresses and the decline continues.

The thought I'm left with this morning is who is gonna protect his kids in the future? Adding to that, they'll probably be moving back to NYC and the dangers that represents, especially as things worsen and the money he left them ain't worth squat either.

[DMac]

Damn shame LT. My condolences

[Silver Shield]

Between this and the Shooter in AZ...

You ain't seen shit yet.

Wait until the dollar collapses and reality sets in.

7 days of food and fuel in the system...

And only a month of anti depressants before 24 million Americans have psychotic breaks.

[Libertytree]

Between this and the Shooter in AZ...

You ain't seen shit yet.

Wait until the dollar collapses and reality sets in.

7 days of food and fuel in the system...

And only a month of anti depressants before 24 million Americans have psychotic breaks.




I agree SS, unfortunately. This is exactly where my thoughts are drawn to as well. Even perfectly right minded, healthy folks will watch their impervious paradigm come to an abrupt end, seemingly from out of nowhere and will be no more mentally prepared for it than a man in the moon. Reality is a hard customer and a bitter pill to swallow, especially if you never mentally accepted its possibility.

[gunDriller]

What a shame that this guy who was a fighter, allowed himself to be broken, due to what? Maybe the way he thought others would think of him as he and his family went through a tremendously difficult financial time ...

Sad thing is, in a few years that million may only be worth 100 loaves of bread...


but, if the family just received a million dollar payout and had the insight to put it into PM's - then they would be looked after for real, the way LT's late friend may have wanted.

[keehah]

A private act (except for his dependents and unless one plans to effect others on the way out) and quite sad.

Either this is related, or Winter is depressing.
http://www.hubberts-arms.org/index.php?topic=2877.msg26687#msg26687

: January 12, 2011
I was just over at Oil Age where Megadoom posted a VERY interesting firsthand account of responding to an accident (he's an EMT in VT) that appears to be the behind-the-wheel suicide of a Russian working for Merrill Lynch. He was found with a briefcase full of doomer porn: survival shopping lists, bunker docs, etc. I figured you guys would want to have a look:

http://www.theoilage.com/unusual-suicide-local-breaking-t1634.html

The post has since been removed. Although as of now its still in Google's cache.
(These are LATOC splinter sites)

[gunDriller]

A private act (except for his dependents) and quite sad.

Either this is related, or Winter is depressing.
http://www.hubberts-arms.org/index.php?topic=2877.msg26687#msg26687

: January 12, 2011
I was just over at Oil Age where Megadoom posted a VERY interesting firsthand account of responding to an accident (he's an EMT in VT) that appears to be the behind-the-wheel suicide of a Russian working for Merrill Lynch. He was found with a briefcase full of doomer porn: survival shopping lists, bunker docs, etc. I figured you guys would want to have a look:

http://www.theoilage.com/unusual-suicide-local-breaking-t1634.html

The post has since been removed.


i think another trigger for this kind of behavior is the loss of fuel sources for one's automobile.

because people rely on their cars for, well everything - e.g. getting to the gym for a little stress reduction, going for a drive just to get away from home - what happens when that psychological safety valve is taken away, at the same time that the real problem onsets ?

TROUBLE. desperation. a bull market in locking gas caps.

long story short, it seems logical to expect Virginia Tech/ Jared Loughner incidents to occur at an accelerating rate, and the same thing for suicide.

i can understand why printing money seems like the logical thing for the government to do. they know what will unfold when people don't have money - so they keep making more of it.


if i was president, the one thing i would do is go back to the "40 acres and a mule" type thinking that occurred at the end of the Civil War. one real thing that the US government has is a lot of land. they could afford to hand out 5 acre parcels to every single unemployed person. there is something about focussing one's energy on a piece of land - as opposed to worrying about money - that helps people.

there's even a word for it, "agro-therapy". of course people need to be willing to do the work to grow their own food and hunt, and not everyone is willing to do that, so the government can't help everybody.

[Libertytree]

A private act (except for his dependents) and quite sad.

Either this is related, or Winter is depressing.
http://www.hubberts-arms.org/index.php?topic=2877.msg26687#msg26687

: January 12, 2011
I was just over at Oil Age where Megadoom posted a VERY interesting firsthand account of responding to an accident (he's an EMT in VT) that appears to be the behind-the-wheel suicide of a Russian working for Merrill Lynch. He was found with a briefcase full of doomer porn: survival shopping lists, bunker docs, etc. I figured you guys would want to have a look:

http://www.theoilage.com/unusual-suicide-local-breaking-t1634.html

The post has since been removed.


i think another trigger for this kind of behavior is the loss of fuel sources for one's automobile.

because people rely on their cars for, well everything - e.g. getting to the gym for a little stress reduction, going for a drive just to get away from home - what happens when that psychological safety valve is taken away, at the same time that the real problem onsets ?

TROUBLE. desperation. a bull market in locking gas caps.

long story short, it seems logical to expect Virginia Tech/ Jared Loughner incidents to occur at an accelerating rate, and the same thing for suicide.

i can understand why printing money seems like the logical thing for the government to do. they know what will unfold when people don't have money - so they keep making more of it.


if i was president, the one thing i would do is go back to the "40 acres and a mule" type thinking that occurred at the end of the Civil War. one real thing that the US government has is a lot of land. they could afford to hand out 5 acre parcels to every single unemployed person. there is something about focussing one's energy on a piece of land - as opposed to worrying about money - that helps people.

there's even a word for it, "agro-therapy". of course people need to be willing to do the work to grow their own food and hunt, and not everyone is willing to do that, so the government can't help everybody.




That's a great common sense idea Driller! It wouldn't even have to be 40 acres, 10 or 20 would be ample for most. This deserves it's own thread IMO.

As far as Eddie's Ins $$$ goes, it will be handed over to a financial planner and we all know the end result of that. There's a small chance I'll get to talk with his best friend and have some influence in the matter, but not likely. It's weird, ironic and twisted...By him in his mind doing "the right thing" he really achieved the exact opposite. Twilight Zone material.

[JohnQPublic]

Sorry to hear that LT. Times are getting crazy, and we are only seeing the beginning. I hope we find ways to pull through this.

[beefsteak]

Lib,
I just now found this thread. I'm so sorry for your loss. And your proximity to the grief of the gulf of waves of grief overtaking this man's family.

WOW.

None of us truly know the lives of quiet desperation others live inside, health, mental or physical.

Please trust the Creator to deal with that tortured soul with great kindness and compassion!!! And the widow and children? God has a heavy protective hand over them now, and will use you and others in her life / their lives, to see them through this.

Please don't judge him harshly, nor yourself harshly either.

beefsteak

[Libertytree]

Yeah, it was just as I suspected, it was ALL about the dollars, no two ways about it. He'd been planning this since at least Jan 4th, the date of his letter and instruction papers. He was very explicit in his wishes in what to do with the money... gold, silver , housing and preps and I can only hope they follow through with his requests.

He did shoot twice, one through the garage door (test?) and the final shot.

For as much of a stupid bastard I think he was, he wasn't crazy. In one fell swoop he fucked the government and in his mind did his best he could for his family.

It ain't in my power to exonerate him or to demonize him, all I can say is adios.

[Awoke]

I will pray for his family to be consoled in this time of loss, and pray that the Father can forgive him for murdering himself.