Food riots to come.......no weapons to have.

[Ponce]

http://theintelhub.com/2011/01/14/confirmed-global-food-chain-stretched-to-the-limit/

[Book]

http://theintelhub.com/2011/01/14/confirmed-global-food-chain-stretched-to-the-limit/


Mountain House isn't critical. Still plenty of storable food on the shelves at Wal-Mart and every other grocer.

[platinumdude]

http://theintelhub.com/2011/01/14/confirmed-global-food-chain-stretched-to-the-limit/


Mountain House isn't critical. Still plenty of storable food on the shelves at Wal-Mart and every other grocer.


But the freeze dried has a much longer shelf life. Best to have both in my opinion.

[platinumdude]

http://stealthsurvival.blogspot.com/2008/12/canned-food-items-vs-dehydrated-or.html

Many people think that they need to spend thousands of dollars on a one year supply of freeze-dried foods in order to be properly stocked up. There are many people in the United States that don’t have the extra money that will allow them to spend major portions of their income on freeze-dried food items. While freeze-dried food items are great if you can afford them, there are several other ways you can build a year’s supply of food. Canned foods can be a great way to create a long term food storage program!


The Advantages

1.) Canned foods are generally less expensive and are already a major part of your food budget.

Special Note: Canned goods bought in bulk are approximately 25% of the cost of the same product offered in freeze-dried or dehydrated form.

2.) Canned foods will generally have more calories.

Special Note: Canned foods generally contain more calories in the form of fats than freeze-dried or dehydrated foods. Fat has more calories per ounce than most types of food.

3.) Many canned foods have additional water content. This will allow easier preparation. . The water content will vary depending on the type of canned food.

Special Note: Freeze-dried or dehydrated foods have little or no water content. This means you will need to store additional water to prepare your meals. This will be in addition to water needed for drinking and sanitation purposes.

4.) Canned foods have a very good shelf life of a year or more in most cases.

5.) Canned foods are readily available in a wide variety of types in most places.

6.) Canned foods are usually products that are familiar to your family and that they are already comfortable eating.

7.) The preparation of most canned foods is a familiar activity for most individuals and families.

8.) Many canned food items can be eaten without the need for additional cooking. If there is no power or heat available for cooking you will still be able to eat a satisfying meal.

9.) Many canned foods can be prepared or heated directly in the can. This makes the need for additional cooking gear minimal. This is great in an emergency situation.

10.) Canned foods are generally resistant to vermin (bugs, mice, rats, etc.).


The Disadvantages

1.) Canned foods take up more storage space. This is a very small sacrifice when compared with the money you will save.

2.) Canned foods are heavy. This is due mainly to their additional moisture content.

3.) Canned foods are more difficult to transport.

4.) They are susceptible to high moisture conditions and may rust and become unusable.

4.) You will need a good can opener! Most cans are difficult if not impossible to open without one. It would probably be a good idea to have several back-up can openers as well.

For persons or families on a budget, canned food items are an easy and simple way to build a long term food storage program.

Staying above the water line!

Riverwalker

[Cobalt]

If you have your heart set on Mountain House products, try any outdoor shop such as REI, they have plenty to select from.

http://www.rei.com/search?cat=4500001_Food&cat=4500042&page_size=109&seq=1&hist=cat%2C4500001_Food%3AFood^cat%2C4500042%3AFre eze-Dried+Food

Costco online also stocks a few

[Sparky]

http://stealthsurvival.blogspot.com/2008/12/canned-food-items-vs-dehydrated-or.html

Many people think that they need to spend thousands of dollars on a one year supply of freeze-dried foods in order to be properly stocked up. There are many people in the United States that don’t have the extra money that will allow them to spend major portions of their income on freeze-dried food items. While freeze-dried food items are great if you can afford them, there are several other ways you can build a year’s supply of food. Canned foods can be a great way to create a long term food storage program!

...


I'm a big fan of canned food preps. Stack 'em like bullion!

[Ponce]

Hey Dude?.........2.5 years of Mountain House alone and the other 5 years in can goods.........believe it or not, my main meals consist of rice, chile con carne, or vienna winnies........spaghetti with winnies and catshup......a meal is what you make it be and not what is supposed to be.

When ever I make nimute rice I throw in the frozen vegetable and by the time the rice is ready then so is the frozen vegetables.

Remember that can goods might loose its vitamins but you can suplement that with a pill from a bottle.

[Mouse]

Hey Dude?.........2.5 years of Mountain House alone and the other 5 years in can goods.........believe it or not, my main meals consist of rice, chile con carne, or vienna winnies........spaghetti with winnies and catshup......a meal is what you make it be and not what is supposed to be.

When ever I make nimute rice I throw in the frozen vegetable and by the time the rice is ready then so is the frozen vegetables.

Remember that can goods might loose its vitamins but you can suplement that with a pill from a bottle.


That's some really crappy sounding diet. Maybe you should get a cat to feed the winnies to? I would be happy to eat some chili and rice, and some spaghetti and SAUCE, but the vienna winnies, that's what you catch fish with, unless you are in the SHTF already. Try making some decent food, probably would be good for you.

[woodman]

http://theintelhub.com/2011/01/14/confirmed-global-food-chain-stretched-to-the-limit/





Book, of all your avatars, that is the most disturbing. :yuk

[Bullion_Bob]

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2849/meloncrazy.gif

[vacuum]

Hey Dude?.........2.5 years of Mountain House alone and the other 5 years in can goods.........believe it or not, my main meals consist of rice, chile con carne, or vienna winnies........spaghetti with winnies and catshup......a meal is what you make it be and not what is supposed to be.

When ever I make nimute rice I throw in the frozen vegetable and by the time the rice is ready then so is the frozen vegetables.

Remember that can goods might loose its vitamins but you can suplement that with a pill from a bottle.

Hey Ponce, let me urge you to do one thing....look on the back of the can of chile con carne at the nutrition label. Many of those cans are atrocious. One tiny can probably has 100% of your daily sodium and saturated fat.

I've never contemplated buying those vienna wieners so can't say how had they are.

[Ponce]

You guys just don't get it.....and you call yourselves "survivalists?"......in what is to come you will become goats and eat even the cans themselves.............it won't be a matter of what you will eat but rather of will you be able to eat.........I do eat a healthy meal once in a while but like I said before "I like to live now as I would WTSHTF"

You have to get the hell away from your Gringo mentality and get into the Cuban refugee mode where everything that you have could be the only thing that you will ever have......

[RJB]

http://theintelhub.com/2011/01/14/confirmed-global-food-chain-stretched-to-the-limit/





Book, of all your avatars, that is the most disturbing. :yuk
Oh yeah? Just wait until the photo of Jared wearing a red thong comes out :o

[oldmansmith]

http://stealthsurvival.blogspot.com/2008/12/canned-food-items-vs-dehydrated-or.html

Many people think that they need to spend thousands of dollars on a one year supply of freeze-dried foods in order to be properly stocked up. There are many people in the United States that don’t have the extra money that will allow them to spend major portions of their income on freeze-dried food items. While freeze-dried food items are great if you can afford them, there are several other ways you can build a year’s supply of food. Canned foods can be a great way to create a long term food storage program!


The Advantages

1.) Canned foods are generally less expensive and are already a major part of your food budget.

Special Note: Canned goods bought in bulk are approximately 25% of the cost of the same product offered in freeze-dried or dehydrated form.

2.) Canned foods will generally have more calories.

Special Note: Canned foods generally contain more calories in the form of fats than freeze-dried or dehydrated foods. Fat has more calories per ounce than most types of food.

3.) Many canned foods have additional water content. This will allow easier preparation. . The water content will vary depending on the type of canned food.

Special Note: Freeze-dried or dehydrated foods have little or no water content. This means you will need to store additional water to prepare your meals. This will be in addition to water needed for drinking and sanitation purposes.

4.) Canned foods have a very good shelf life of a year or more in most cases.

5.) Canned foods are readily available in a wide variety of types in most places.

6.) Canned foods are usually products that are familiar to your family and that they are already comfortable eating.

7.) The preparation of most canned foods is a familiar activity for most individuals and families.

8.) Many canned food items can be eaten without the need for additional cooking. If there is no power or heat available for cooking you will still be able to eat a satisfying meal.

9.) Many canned foods can be prepared or heated directly in the can. This makes the need for additional cooking gear minimal. This is great in an emergency situation.

10.) Canned foods are generally resistant to vermin (bugs, mice, rats, etc.).


The Disadvantages

1.) Canned foods take up more storage space. This is a very small sacrifice when compared with the money you will save.

2.) Canned foods are heavy. This is due mainly to their additional moisture content.

3.) Canned foods are more difficult to transport.

4.) They are susceptible to high moisture conditions and may rust and become unusable.

4.) You will need a good can opener! Most cans are difficult if not impossible to open without one. It would probably be a good idea to have several back-up can openers as well.

For persons or families on a budget, canned food items are an easy and simple way to build a long term food storage program.

Staying above the water line!

Riverwalker



Lots of canned foods have BPA in them, that's why I no longer eat them. Otherwise, great list. I need to find non-BPA cans.

Edit: List of some here http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/03/7-bpa-free-canned-foods.php

[RJB]

You guys just don't get it.....and you call yourselves "survivalists?"......in what is to come you will become goats and eat even the cans themselves.............it won't be a matter of what you will eat but rather of will you be able to eat.........I do eat a healthy meal once in a while but like I said before "I like to live now as I would WTSHTF"

You have to get the hell away from your Gringo mentality and get into the Cuban refugee mode where everything that you have could be the only thing that you will ever have......
I've eaten lots of wild game from squirrel to muskrat. I also eat a lot of wild plants, but I hate the idea of canned, dried, processed anything. I'd rather eat a freshly killed raccoon (yuck) than a can of spam any day. Looking at my preps, I'm not looking forward to SHTF cuisine, but it beats dying.

Learning to trap is key. Unlike hunting you don't have to sit in a freezing (or hot, bug infested) woods all day. Also the lack of gunshots doesn't draw the attention of others. I read a story about a German lady whose father trapped pets gone wild in the neighborhood to feed his family towards the end of the war. I will NOT kill another person to take their food to survive, but I'll feed my kids cat, burdock, and spam if needed.

[oldmansmith]

Squirrels and chipmunk are first-rate, although I will never try porcupine again until TSHTF.

[gunDriller]

Squirrels and chipmunk are first-rate, although I will never try porcupine again until TSHTF.


i'm holding off on the Maggot Omelette myself.

i used to like Vienna sausages. now that i know what goes into them ... i still like them, but ... :o

as far as misc. wild game and road-kill, Tarragon helps. maybe a little Bearnaise sauce, too 8)

[RJB]

Squirrels and chipmunk are first-rate, although I will never try porcupine again until TSHTF.


i'm holding off on the Maggot Omelette myself.I had fried muddabber larvae at a primitive skills gathering. Not bad. Maggots... I'll have to be very VERY VERY hungry. Even I have standards :D

[General of Darkness]

When it gets bad enough, never fear the guberment will be here for us.

The RIOT CONTROL on the shovel truck is quite fitting.

http://twolongspoons.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/soylent_green.jpg?w=300&h=302

[gunDriller]

i'm holding off on the Maggot Omelette myself.I had fried muddabber larvae at a primitive skills gathering. Not bad. Maggots... I'll have to be very VERY VERY hungry. Even I have standards :D
[/quote]

i've been holding off myself.

what i learned about earthworms is, for me it's easier to swallow them whole. just wash them down with water, and don't chew.

however, earthworms can have tapeworm eggs, so earthworms need to be cooked.

as for maggots, they can be squirmy, so maybe it's better to boil them anyway.

but they are nutritious - full of protein & 3-6-9 omega oils. plus, no mercury - a definite plus. so you can eat the maggots without going mad-hatter. (or more mad-hatter, as the case may be ;D )

of course, Vitamin C is water soluble, so boiling the maggots will result in some loss of Vitamin C. might be better to steam them. :o

perhaps this would make a good plenary session at the next G-S.us conference. you first !


silver lining - zombies who break into your compound & find you eating earthworms & maggots may just decide to quietly retreat.

[Book]

Book, of all your avatars, that is the most disturbing. :yuk



Yeah...even Mamboni told me it was bad karma when I asked him to Photoshop it for me.

:D

[FunnyMoney]

You guys just don't get it.....and you call yourselves "survivalists?"......in what is to come you will become goats and eat even the cans themselves.............it won't be a matter of what you will eat but rather of will you be able to eat.........I do eat a healthy meal once in a while but like I said before "I like to live now as I would WTSHTF"

You have to get the hell away from your Gringo mentality and get into the Cuban refugee mode where everything that you have could be the only thing that you will ever have......


Man, if you've made it 70 years already on a diet that works for you, then here's to making it another 70, personally I try to buy low sodium cans but that's just my own opinion. Anyway, the survivalists' period is most likely quite a ways out still so watch the rotation and shelf life.

[Ponce]

Well Funny........if the "C Rations" that I ate in the army didn't kill me (or the bugs at Ft Bragg, and Panama) then nothing will........plenty of food walks right into my property everyday and night....once in a while I put out my left over food back there and every night I see them (night vision glasses) walking around looking for something.

[RJB]

as for maggots, they can be squirmy, so maybe it's better to boil them anyway.The thing that worries me about maggots is they eat rotting flesh and have undigested toxins in their guts. So just as cooking wouldn't kill the toxins of putrid meat, I'd wonder if it would be the same for maggots.

Personally, that's why I like chickens. They love eating earthworms, maggots etc., and then the nice little bird give back a nutrituous tasty egg.

A chicken's gut is the best processor for most survival type foods, IMO.

[woodman]

as for maggots, they can be squirmy, so maybe it's better to boil them anyway.The thing that worries me about maggots is they eat rotting flesh and have undigested toxins in their guts. So just as cooking wouldn't kill the toxins of putrid meat, I'd wonder if it would be the same for maggots.

Personally, that's why I like chickens. They love eating earthworms, maggots etc., and then the nice little bird give back a nutrituous tasty egg.

A chicken's gut is the best processor for most survival type foods, IMO.


Nothing tastes as good as a free-range chicken. Snapping turtle is pretty good too.

[nunaem]

I like split peas, very cheap protein. Not the best shelf life but I rotate them.

Eat what you store, etc.

Canned food can hardly be called food, and I can't imagine eating much of it unless my life depended on it. So it doesn't meet the 'eat what you store' rule.

[Ponce]

Numaen?..........I was in a certain country where two pieces of candy was my daily meal.......and a can of food would had been heaven.........................knock of your Gringo mentality and wake up........it really, really, REALLYYYYYYYYYYYY pisses me off when people talk that way..........we are talking about surviving and not about a buffet where you can choose and pick what you will eat.

You say.......canned food can hardly be called food, and I can't imagine eating much of it unless my life depended on it. ......... I can only hope that you will go to heaven because here on Earth you will die for being so choosy.

[nunaem]

You must have ALOT of canned food to be so sensitive about it.

I said, I'll eat it if my survival depends on it.

Please don't let me stop you from eating that poisonous crap though. :oo-->

[sirgonzo420]

You must have ALOT of canned food to be so sensitive about it.

I said, I'll eat it if my survival depends on it.

Please don't let me stop you from eating that poisonous crap though. :oo-->



I agree that canned food is not a good daily or maybe even weekly choice, but in an emergency situation, I'd say canned food is more than worthwhile.

[Ponce]

When you are in the desert and have no water, even your piss will taste good........when you are drowning in the ocean and you find a life vest even that is better than a Coast Guard cutter.

Many of you will live to agreed with me, but only if you are lucky........

[nunaem]

You need your health in an emergency situation too. It's not like canned food is the only choice either. Rice is cheaper per calorie than canned food by far, and healthier too.

And what if there is no emergency? I'll be stuck with a bunch of canned shit I don't want. Whereas with rice and legumes I have no problems eating it.

Canned high quality protein is fine by me though, it's worth the risk. I have many cans of tuna and salmon.



When you are in the desert and have no water, even your piss will taste good........when you are drowning in the ocean and you find a life vest even that is better than a Coast Guard cutter.

Many of you will live to agreed with me, but only if you are lucky........


What makes you think I have no food at all? I have plenty of rice and legumes. Just because I don't agree with you on your oh so precious canned food doesn't mean I am unprepared.

[Nordmann]

http://workbench.cadenhead.org/media/jimmy-dean-pancakes-and-sausage-on-a-stick-chocolate-chip.jpg

America.jpg

[nunaem]

^ That is about as healthy as canned food.

[Nordmann]

I'm thinking about drying meat and vegetables to try and make some instant meal (just add hot water) to use when SHTF TEOTWAWKI. i will need a vacuum sealer and non-msg flavors.

[ShortJohnSilver]

When you are in the desert and have no water, even your piss will taste good........when you are drowning in the ocean and you find a life vest even that is better than a Coast Guard cutter.

Many of you will live to agreed with me, but only if you are lucky........


Prepare today for the way you want to live tomorrow ... how about "Eat right today so you can be healthy tomorrow" as a corollary ???

[nunaem]

I'm thinking about drying meat and vegetables to try and make some instant meal (just add hot water) to use when SHTF TEOTWAKI. i will need a vacuum sealer and non-msg flavors.


It wouldn't last too long, even if your sanitation is impeccable IIRC dried meat's shelf life is only 6-12 months.

[Ponce]

Nunaem........rice..............1,200 lbs or1,400? not sure
black beans......700 lbs
pintos..........450 lbs don't like but food is food.
sugar.............650 lbs
salt.............400 lbs
cooking oil.......30 gallons........this one worries me
frosted flakes....50 WalMart large bags
peanut butter....50 containers
flour...........300 lbs
bread flour.......200 lbs
loudry liguid..... 250 loads
soap............. 150 bars
tooth paste........ 50 each..........funny, I have no teerh hahahahahah
tooth brush........25 each
champoo hair......40 bottles
pancake syrup.....20 super large bottles
pancake mix....... fogot, but a lot.
Mountain House.... 2.5 years
butter in a can.......about 25 containers
bacon in a can.......20 cans.............they are very good.


I wont go into everything because it would take me all night and also because I have fogotten most of them.......clothing from the "Senior Thrief Store" about 75 full bags, for trading.


Iwont go into my alarm system because it will take me to long and the same for my home build booby traps.

Almost forgot the best one.......1,750 rolls of tp hahahahahah.

[Nordmann]

I'm thinking about drying meat and vegetables to try and make some instant meal (just add hot water) to use when SHTF TEOTWAKI. i will need a vacuum sealer and non-msg flavors.


It wouldn't last too long, even if your sanitation is impeccable IIRC dried meat's shelf life is only 6-12 months.


It's still better than having to eat Lord Ponce's Vienna Wieners.

[nunaem]

Nunaem........rice..............1,200 lbs or1,400? not sure
black beans......700 lbs
pintos..........450 lbs don't like but food is food.
sugar.............650 lbs
salt.............400 lbs
cooking oil.......30 gallons........this one worries me
frosted flakes....50 WalMart large bags
peanut butter....50 containers
flour...........300 lbs
bread flour.......200 lbs
loudry liguid..... 250 loads
soap............. 150 bars
tooth paste........ 50 each..........funny, I have no teerh hahahahahah
tooth brush........25 each
champoo hair......40 bottles
pancake syrup.....20 super large bottles
pancake mix....... fogot, but a lot.
Mountain House.... 2.5 years
butter in a can.......about 25 containers
bacon in a can.......20 cans.............they are very good.


I wont go into everything because it would take me all night and also because I have fogotten most of them.......clothing from the "Senior Thrief Store" about 75 full bags, for trading.


Iwont go into my alarm system because it will take me to long and the same for my home build booby traps.

Almost forgot the best one.......1,750 rolls of tp hahahahahah.


That's impressive!

How do you use all of that before it goes bad? Or do you offload and renew your stockpile periodically?

[ShortJohnSilver]

I'm thinking about drying meat and vegetables to try and make some instant meal (just add hot water) to use when SHTF TEOTWAKI. i will need a vacuum sealer and non-msg flavors.


It wouldn't last too long, even if your sanitation is impeccable IIRC dried meat's shelf life is only 6-12 months.


It's still better than having to eat Lord Ponce's Vienna Wieners.


Which is holier - Hebrew National's kosher all-beef wieners ("we answer to a higher authority") or "God Jr.'s Vienna Wieners - we bust a gut so you don't have to" ...

[StackerKen]

Nunaem........rice..............1,200 lbs or1,400? not sure
black beans......700 lbs
pintos..........450 lbs don't like but food is food.
sugar.............650 lbs
salt.............400 lbs
cooking oil.......30 gallons........this one worries me
frosted flakes....50 WalMart large bags
peanut butter....50 containers
flour...........300 lbs
bread flour.......200 lbs
loudry liguid..... 250 loads
soap............. 150 bars
tooth paste........ 50 each..........funny, I have no teerh hahahahahah
tooth brush........25 each
champoo hair......40 bottles
pancake syrup.....20 super large bottles
pancake mix....... fogot, but a lot.
Mountain House.... 2.5 years
butter in a can.......about 25 containers
bacon in a can.......20 cans.............they are very good.


I wont go into everything because it would take me all night and also because I have fogotten most of them.......clothing from the "Senior Thrief Store" about 75 full bags, for trading.


Iwont go into my alarm system because it will take me to long and the same for my home build booby traps.

Almost forgot the best one.......1,750 rolls of tp hahahahahah.


That's impressive!

How do you use all of that before it goes bad? Or do you offload and renew your stockpile periodically?



Ponce should make Peanutbutter cookies! (thats what I do ;)

[Nordmann]

Yeah, that's a great idea. I've heard they are quite tasty.

[nunaem]

I have a case of canned octopus. It tastes good actually, like chewy sardines but less fishy.

[StackerKen]

Yeah, that's a great idea. I've heard they are quite tasty.


Yep. I loves em :)

Hey Nordmann, I got a kick out of your sig line! :D

[Nordmann]

I'm thinking about drying meat and vegetables to try and make some instant meal (just add hot water) to use when SHTF TEOTWAKI. i will need a vacuum sealer and non-msg flavors.


It wouldn't last too long, even if your sanitation is impeccable IIRC dried meat's shelf life is only 6-12 months.


It's still better than having to eat Lord Ponce's Vienna Wieners.

Which is holier - Hebrew National's kosher all-beef wieners ("we answer to a higher authority") or "God Jr.'s Vienna Wieners - we bust a gut so you don't have to" ...

I'll go with the kosher in this instance since I've given up swine. I'm sorry Ponce, but I'm gonna stick with da jooz on this one.

[Nordmann]

Yeah, that's a great idea. I've heard they are quite tasty.


Yep. I loves em :)

Hey Nordmann, I got a kick out of your sig line! :D


I got it from some silly American commercial for boat insurance. I believe i posted it here somewhere.

*edit* found it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omOS8fdHsr4&feature=player_embedded

[Ponce]

There are things that wont go bad and if they do it will take a while.....like rice, blk beans and so on, I don't rotate the food and the stuff from frezeer number one is going next week into the woods to feed the animals, if they are so brave as to eat it.......and then I'll buy a fresh load.....most of it is of that dollar Banquet meals........about $270.00.

I posted a while back how I keep it fresh..........a 44 gallons greek barrels that was used for shipping oil sateside.....a 55 gallong bag inside, fill it with rice, hole at the top with a water valve, suck the air out with a vaccum cleaner, shut the water valve and .......voila, the food is in a vaccum......once every six months I release the air and do it again and that way I make sure that is working.

All my packages of Rits crackers wen bad on me and now I have to buy a new load, this time I'll make sure to eat them and rotate them......same for Vanilla Whaffers.

Tomorrow after the gun show I'll be going to the dollars store and buy about three more cases of my favorite Vienna winnies.........almost forgot.........12 cases of tuna in water in stock.


Also have about 15 25 lbs of dry cat food and 10 cases of 48 cans of wet food........but no cat.

[StackerKen]

get a cat ponce :)

http://www.catsofaustralia.com/images/cute_baby_kitten.jpg

[zap]

ohhh Ponce, you really should get a cat. :)

[nunaem]

Dogs like cat food too. ;D