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vacuum
22nd January 2011, 06:59 PM
I know this is pretty far down the rabbit hole, but its a nice, self-contained, article so I thought I'd share.

Neutrinos and 2012 (http://montalk.net/notes/neutrinos-and-2012)

In Roland Emmerich’s film 2012, “mutant neutrinos” were responsible for destabilizing the planet. Initially I found such a plot device hilarious, but as it turns out, such a mechanism may be grounded in truth. Consider the following news items:


Two Suns? Twin Stars Could Be Visible From Earth By 2012 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/20/two-suns-twin-stars_n_811864.html)
The Huffington Post – January 22, 2011.

Dr. Brad Carter, Senior Lecturer of Physics at the University of Southern Queensland, outlined
the scenario to news.com.au. Betelgeuse, one of the night sky’s brightest stars, is losing mass,
indicating it is collapsing. It could run out of fuel and go super-nova at any time.

[…] But doomsday sayers should be careful about speculation on this one. If the star does go
super-nova, Earth will be showered with harmless particles [neutrinos], according to Carter.
“They will flood through the Earth and bizarrely enough, even though the supernova we see
visually will light up the night sky, 99 per cent of the energy in the supernova is released in
these particles that will come through our bodies and through the Earth with absolutely no
harm whatsoever,” he told news.com.au.

Carter suggests Betelgeuse could go supernova at any moment (true), and when it does, 99% of its energy will be released as neutrinos that will irradiate our solar system (true). But he says there’s nothing to worry about since they are harmless (false).

Next item:

The strange case of solar flares and radioactive elements (http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/august/sun-082310.html)
Stanford Report, August 23, 2010

[…] It’s a mystery that presented itself unexpectedly: The radioactive decay of some
elements sitting quietly in laboratories on Earth seemed to be influenced by activities inside
the sun, 93 million miles away.

[…]The story begins, in a sense, in classrooms around the world, where students are taught that
the rate of decay of a specific radioactive material is a constant. This concept is relied upon, for
example, when anthropologists use carbon-14 to date ancient artifacts and when doctors
determine the proper dose of radioactivity to treat a cancer patient.

[…] On Dec 13, 2006, the sun itself provided a crucial clue, when a solar flare sent a stream of
particles and radiation toward Earth. Purdue nuclear engineer Jere Jenkins, while measuring the
decay rate of manganese-54, a short-lived isotope used in medical diagnostics, noticed that the
rate dropped slightly during the flare, a decrease that started about a day and a half before the
flare.

[…] Their findings strengthened the argument that the strange swings in decay rates were
caused by neutrinos from the sun. The swings seemed to be in synch with the Earth’s
elliptical orbit, with the decay rates oscillating as the Earth came closer to the sun (where it
would be exposed to more neutrinos) and then moving away.

Going back to take another look at the decay data from the Brookhaven lab, the researchers
found a recurring pattern of 33 days. It was a bit of a surprise, given that most solar
observations show a pattern of about 28 days – the rotation rate of the surface of the sun.

The explanation? The core of the sun – where nuclear reactions produce neutrinos –
apparently spins more slowly than the surface we see. “It may seem counter-intuitive, but it
looks as if the core rotates more slowly than the rest of the sun,” Sturrock said.

All of the evidence points toward a conclusion that the sun is “communicating” with radioactive
isotopes on Earth, said Fischbach.

There we see a possible link between neutrinos and radioactive decay on earth. Radioactive decay is a purely quantum mechanical thing, it’s not caused by any physical factor. Therefore neutrinos affect quantum processes, such as decay rates. Note that biological and neural activity are also based on quantum processes.

Why is this important? Next item:

Wikipedia Entry: Geothermal Gradient (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient)

The geothermal gradient is the rate at which the Earth’s temperature increases with depth,
indicating heat flowing from the Earth’s warm interior to its cooler surface. Away from tectonic
plate boundaries, it is 25-30°C per km of depth in most of the world. Strictly speaking,
geo-thermal necessarily refers to the Earth but the concept may be applied to other planets.
The Earth’s internal heat comes from a combination of residual heat from planetary accretion
(about 20%) and heat produced through radioactive decay (80%).

So 80% of earth’s core and mantle heat comes from radioactive decay. Radioactive decay rates are affected by neutrinos. Supernovas release 99% of their energy as neutrinos. Taken to its logical conclusion, this implies that if Betelgeuse goes supernova and becomes bright enough to appear like a second sun, Earth will be irradiated by those neutrinos, decay rates will be altered, and there could be enough of a change in core-mantle temperatures to upset the convective processes and disturb the tectonic plates, hence global earthquakes and volcanoes. It need not be Betelgeuse nor 2012 specifically, but something else like detailed in LaViolette’s Galactic Superwave Theory (http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Predict.html).

Other implications:

1) Dating via Carbon-14 and other isotopes may be thrown way off by solar or interstellar
neutrino radiation, since it assumes a constant decay rate, which in actuality may be arrested or
suddenly accelerated by sporadic high intensity neutrino showers.

2) Wilhelm Reich discovered that orgone energy (crude form of etheric energy) affects radioactive
decay rates, even neutralizing certain radioactive materials. If neutrinos also have this effect,
perhaps orgone and neutrinos are closely related. If so, maybe supernovas and solar flares release
bursts of etheric energy.

3) As is known in occult and contactee writings, changes in etheric energy affect human
perception and consciousness. For instance, if Earth were to enter a dense region of etheric
energy, people would automatically shift into a state of consciousness similar to that of
clairvoyant trance or the kind of psychic activation experienced in the presence of powerful
shamans or alien entities. In the terminology of Carlos Castaneda, this would involve a radical
shift in the assemblage point. If this were to happen concurrently with global seismic upheavals,
that would make for an extremely entertaining ending to the World as We Know It.

I reference the above news articles not to predict doom, but to explore a single physico-etheric mechanism that could account for a broad range of end-time prophecies.

General of Darkness
22nd January 2011, 07:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzMHl4EZw-c

Twisted Titan
23rd January 2011, 03:54 AM
There is nothing that nobody can do so why even worry about it.

Forget about Betelgues going supernova

I am more worried about dollars going down the black hole.


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Neuro
23rd January 2011, 03:57 AM
Great! Now I have to be afraid of Betelgeuse blowing up too...

BillBoard
23rd January 2011, 07:20 AM
Great! Now I have to be afraid of Betelgeuse blowing up too...


ROFLMAO!!!

:ROFL:

Dogman
23rd January 2011, 07:23 AM
Great! Now I have to be afraid of Betelgeuse blowing up too...




Great! Now I have to be afraid of Betelgeuse blowing up too...


ROFLMAO!!!

:ROFL:


DITTO!


:ROFL:

;D

vacuum
23rd January 2011, 03:08 PM
Guys this has nothing to do with being afraid of anything, and in reality Betelgeuse and 2012 are kind of red herrings here.

The real takeaway is that the planet's core is heated 80% by radioactive decay, and neutrinos from either the sun or some other source have the ability to increase or decrease the rate at which the core produces heat.

This is fundamentally a new possibility we haven't thought of before. Ice ages and global warming now have three possible sources: atmospheric gasses, solar (em) radiation output, and neutrino flux. The last of these affect a mechanism that accounts for, oh, 80% of our planets internal heat. Not to mention possible links with the magnetic field.

The OP is not an article, simply a research note. Its not arguing anything, simply putting a few known pieces of information together so that the reader can factor them in to their own conclusions.

I thought a third mechanism affecting planetary temperature should be discussed.

edit: also, the sun itself is likely affected by neutrino flux. It also has a much greater cross section than earth, is much denser (so neutrinos which pass through almost everything are absorbed more), and is much more radio active. Now we can see how the sun's behavior could be affected by external factors.

JohnQPublic
23rd January 2011, 03:35 PM
See this thread for more relevant information on this topic.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/terrifying-scientific-discovery-strange-emissions-by-sun-are-mutating-matter/

Neuro
24th January 2011, 04:05 AM
What is the evidence that neutrino flow affects radioactive decay rates? In the article it is not even mentioned whether the neutrinos increase or decrease the rate? I think there is good evidence to suggest that decay rates are indeed variable, within a very small range, but as I understand it no-one has any clear understanding of what exactly creates these variations...

Neuro
24th January 2011, 05:27 AM
I just read about Betelgeuse on wikipedia, absolutely fascinating. It is an enigma. It is believed that it's radius is around the same as the distance from the Sun to Jupiter, but it's mass is only 18-20 times that of the sun, which would give it a density of what would be the upper parts of earths atmosphere... Read more here:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betelgeuse?wasRedirected=true

boogietillyapuke
24th January 2011, 05:48 AM
Totally off topic, but as soon as I saw Betelgeuse in the OP I knew they weren't talking about Michael Keaton in the movie. ;D

For anyone that's interested;

Stellarium is a free open source planetarium for your computer. It shows a realistic sky in 3D, just like what you see with the naked eye, binoculars or a telescope.
It is being used in planetarium projectors. Just set your coordinates and go. (http://www.stellarium.org/)

SLV^GLD
24th January 2011, 08:25 AM
I just read about Betelgeuse on wikipedia, absolutely fascinating. It is an enigma. It is believed that it's radius is around the same as the distance from the Sun to Jupiter, but it's mass is only 18-20 times that of the sun, which would give it a density of what would be the upper parts of earths atmosphere... Read more here:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betelgeuse?wasRedirected=true


However, with distance estimates in the last century that have ranged anywhere from 180 to 1,300 light years from Earth, calculating its diameter, luminosity and mass have proven difficult. Betelgeuse is currently thought to lie around 640 light years away, yielding a mean absolute magnitude of about −6.05. That's a pretty wide variation in estimations. It also means if the sucker blew today it would be ~640 years before we could observe it from Earth. Maybe it already has?

vacuum
24th January 2011, 08:29 AM
What is the evidence that neutrino flow affects radioactive decay rates? In the article it is not even mentioned whether the neutrinos increase or decrease the rate? I think there is good evidence to suggest that decay rates are indeed variable, within a very small range, but as I understand it no-one has any clear understanding of what exactly creates these variations...

It's true that its unknown if neutrinos are the cause or if its some unknown particle, but what is known is that it is definitely connected to emissions from the sun. There is an article linked in the OP and JQP also linked another one. The conclusion is the same either way - either the sun or other events outside our solar system can directly affect radioactive processes in the earth and probably the sun itself.

JohnQPublic
24th January 2011, 11:20 AM
What is the evidence that neutrino flow affects radioactive decay rates? In the article it is not even mentioned whether the neutrinos increase or decrease the rate? I think there is good evidence to suggest that decay rates are indeed variable, within a very small range, but as I understand it no-one has any clear understanding of what exactly creates these variations...

It's true that its unknown if neutrinos are the cause or if its some unknown particle, but what is known is that it is definitely connected to emissions from the sun. There is an article linked in the OP and JQP also linked another one. The conclusion is the same either way - either the sun or other events outside our solar system can directly affect radioactive processes in the earth and probably the sun itself.


To your point, the universe may be very different than the picture painted by 20th century cosmologists and astrophysicists. This is of course expected (science advances on funeral at a time, attributed to Kuhn or Planck).

Neuro
24th January 2011, 11:35 AM
What is the evidence that neutrino flow affects radioactive decay rates? In the article it is not even mentioned whether the neutrinos increase or decrease the rate? I think there is good evidence to suggest that decay rates are indeed variable, within a very small range, but as I understand it no-one has any clear understanding of what exactly creates these variations...

It's true that its unknown if neutrinos are the cause or if its some unknown particle, but what is known is that it is definitely connected to emissions from the sun. There is an article linked in the OP and JQP also linked another one. The conclusion is the same either way - either the sun or other events outside our solar system can directly affect radioactive processes in the earth and probably the sun itself.
Yes I remember I read somewhere that radioactive decay varies with solar activity, I seem to recall their was even a diurnal rythm to it. I may be wrong on that though... And certainly it is not an impossibility that it is the neutrino that is responsible for the shift...