Home fires: The world's most lethal pollution

[mick silver]

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/home-fires-the-worlds-most-lethal-pollution-2192000.html ... no more heating your home with wood ... i like how the un knows best

[mick silver]

the alway know what best for you an me .... It comes from within people's own homes. Smoke from domestic fires kills nearly two million people each year and sickens millions more, according to the World Health Organisation (WHO).


A new UN project has now been set up to try to reduce this appalling toll. It aims, over the next nine years, to put 100 million clean cooking stoves into homes in the developing world.

[mick silver]

we just got a wood cooking stove . i have not hook it up yet . but next winter we will be using it .

[kregener]

What a load of horseshit.

Recommended reading:

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At one time Americans valued hard work, ethics, and education. Today, many of these values seemed to have been replaced by the pursuit of easy money and materialism. In this book, Larry Burkett tells readers not only why we face this problem, but how to solve it--and how to recapture the lost American Dream. . .

FROM THE PUBLISHER. The American Dream. Our founding fathers envisioned it as one of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, as well as freedom of religion, freedom from the oppression of government, and the freedom to build a better future for one's family. . Their "dream" has been replaced by one based on rampant materialism funded by excess debt and accumulation of wealth by means other than hard work and savings. . There is no doubt that our country is preoccupied with material well-being, but lest we think that the problem is solely economic, we must look deeper. Documenting historical changes in the American Dream, Larry Burkett demonstrates clearly that the problems we face are not related exclusively to the debt and deficit. The debt, he says, is merely a symptom of a much greater issue - the deteriorating value system of our nation, a decline that began during World War I with the importation of "amoral" values from the European communities. . Government regulations, special interest groups, weakened work ethics - all have played a part in bringing us to where we are today. But it's not too late to transform the American Dream back into something worthwhile. That is why Burkett not only describes the problems we have but also shows what each of us can do to help solve those problems. Second, assuming that we don't rally together to bring about a change in "business as usual," Burkett tells you what you can do to provide for your own family once the American Dream collapses.

A whole chapter devoted to pollution, and its use as another weapon by the NWO.

[crazychicken]

This winter we installed two Vermont Castings Defiant stoves. Catalytic type. One each downstairs and up.

What a tremendous product.

CC

[skid]

This winter we installed two Vermont Castings Defiant stoves. Catalytic type. One each downstairs and up.

What a tremendous product.

CC


I had a Vermont castings Defiant in my last home. I quite liked it too. Beautiful design

In my current home I have the largest Regency woodstove they make, and it runs from late Oct to March virtually non-stop. It's not as attractive as the Vermont castings stove but is very functional. I go through 5-6 cords/year of dry hardwoods (maple, birch and red alder mostly), and the stove only smokes when lighting a new fire. Otherwise it burns very clean. The Regency's don't use a catalyst as their design doesn't require one.

Almost all of my neighbors use woodstoves as well and there is hardly any noticeable smoke or smell from them either. I think every new stove design today has to meet EPA standards of some kind. In my neck of the woods the environazi's woodn't:) dare try to take woodstoves out of use.

What I really want to get is a remote wood fired boiler so I don't have to haul firewood in the house every week. I'd install it right in my new woodshed...

[crazychicken]

Before you invest in a remote boiler look VERY closely at the wood consumption. Not as advertised, but for real. My neighbor at our place in northern NY put one in to replace the flooded heating unit from the floods in NY in 2005. He bought the best he could find, installed it quite correctly, and it does a heck of a job. But does that thing swallow wood. He has a pretty big place with a good sized woodlot, but was logging my place justy to feed it.

We heated with two furnaces, both inside. One wood and one oil. The oil being back up. Used maybe 400 gallons a year. My wood consumption was maybe 20% of my neighbors.

Just my opinion.

CC






This winter we installed two Vermont Castings Defiant stoves. Catalytic type. One each downstairs and up.

What a tremendous product.

CC


I had a Vermont castings Defiant in my last home. I quite liked it too. Beautiful design

In my current home I have the largest Regency woodstove they make, and it runs from late Oct to March virtually non-stop. It's not as attractive as the Vermont castings stove but is very functional. I go through 5-6 cords/year of dry hardwoods (maple, birch and red alder mostly), and the stove only smokes when lighting a new fire. Otherwise it burns very clean. The Regency's don't use a catalyst as their design doesn't require one.

Almost all of my neighbors use woodstoves as well and there is hardly any noticeable smoke or smell from them either. I think every new stove design today has to meet EPA standards of some kind. In my neck of the woods the environazi's woodn't:) dare try to take woodstoves out of use.

What I really want to get is a remote wood fired boiler so I don't have to haul firewood in the house every week. I'd install it right in my new woodshed...

[woodman]

Before you invest in a remote boiler look VERY closely at the wood consumption. Not as advertised, but for real. My neighbor at our place in northern NY put one in to replace the flooded heating unit from the floods in NY in 2005. He bought the best he could find, installed it quite correctly, and it does a heck of a job. But does that thing swallow wood. He has a pretty big place with a good sized woodlot, but was logging my place justy to feed it.

We heated with two furnaces, both inside. One wood and one oil. The oil being back up. Used maybe 400 gallons a year. My wood consumption was maybe 20% of my neighbors.

Just my opinion.

CC






This winter we installed two Vermont Castings Defiant stoves. Catalytic type. One each downstairs and up.

What a tremendous product.

CC


I had a Vermont castings Defiant in my last home. I quite liked it too. Beautiful design

In my current home I have the largest Regency woodstove they make, and it runs from late Oct to March virtually non-stop. It's not as attractive as the Vermont castings stove but is very functional. I go through 5-6 cords/year of dry hardwoods (maple, birch and red alder mostly), and the stove only smokes when lighting a new fire. Otherwise it burns very clean. The Regency's don't use a catalyst as their design doesn't require one.

Almost all of my neighbors use woodstoves as well and there is hardly any noticeable smoke or smell from them either. I think every new stove design today has to meet EPA standards of some kind. In my neck of the woods the environazi's woodn't:) dare try to take woodstoves out of use.

What I really want to get is a remote wood fired boiler so I don't have to haul firewood in the house every week. I'd install it right in my new woodshed...




This is a very good consideration CC. I have an outdoor wood-fired boiler. It smokes like a volcano and eats up a lot more wood than I used to use with an indoor stove. That said, it is worth every extra effort I make to give it wood. Overall it is a time saver. Yes, I use more wood, but my house is always up to heat and the whole house is heated, forced air and no need to freeze in the back bedrooms. My time is less overall because I no longer have to haul wood inside and clean up the mess and spend a bunch of time putting wood in the stove. I set the thermostat and that is that. If I fill it really full I only need to fill once a day. I find that it burns nicer if I fill it in the morning and at night. No massive build up or coals that must be shifted around to burn completely.

What I want now is the ultra-efficient E-series put out by Central Boiler. What I'm using now is truly a dinosaur. I have woodstoves for backup if we have a power outage.

[mamboni]

I'm using one of these, a fireplace insert:

[JDRock]

i heat my entire home for $5.00 a month in nw wyoming...... cant see why the un would have a problem with me being independant of the energy companies :oo--> :sarc:

it costs me 5.00 per cord from the forest service i usually use about 5 cords per winter.

[mamboni]

i heat my entire home for $5.00 a month in nw wyoming...... cant see why the un would have a problem with me being independant of the energy companies :oo--> :sarc:

it costs me 5.00 per cord from the forest service i usually use about 5 cords per winter.


$5 a cord!!! That's got to be the cheapest heat source in the solar system you lucky bastard.

Now if we could get our hands on one of those Star Trek transporters and beam those cords to Bucks County PA we would both be bazillionaires JD. ;D ;D ;D

[JDRock]

i heat my entire home for $5.00 a month in nw wyoming...... cant see why the un would have a problem with me being independant of the energy companies :oo--> :sarc:

it costs me 5.00 per cord from the forest service i usually use about 5 cords per winter.


$5 a cord!!! That's got to be the cheapest heat source in the solar system you lucky bastard.

Now if we could get our hands on one of those Star Trek transporters and beam those cords to Bucks County PA we would both be bazillionaires JD. ;D ;D ;D

M...i have to cut it myself, but i actually enjoy it...being up in mountains....and its all fir and lodgepole here ...not those savory hardwoods you have back east.

[lapis]

I call b.s. on this story too.

One of the world's 12 healthiest native peoples that nutrition researcher Weston Price studied lived in so-called "black houses," named because many of them didn't have a chimney:

"STORIES have long been told of the superb health of the people living in the Islands of the Outer Hebrides. The smoke oozing through the thatched roofs of their "black houses" has added weirdness to the description of their home life and strange environment. These stories have included a description of their wonderfully fine teeth and their stalwart physiques and strong characters. They, accordingly, provide an excellent setting for a study to throw light on the problem of the cause of dental caries and modern physical degeneration. These Islands lie off the northwest coast of Scotland, extending to a latitude nearly as far north as the southern part of Greenland. A typical view of their thatched-roof cottages may be seen in Fig. 5."

http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/Fig.5.jpg


"Isolated and modernized Gaelics," chapter 4 of Nutrition and Physical Degeneration.
http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/price4.html

[skid]

I call b.s. on this story too.

One of the world's 12 healthiest native peoples that nutrition researcher Weston Price studied lived in so-called "black houses," named because many of them didn't have a chimney:

"STORIES have long been told of the superb health of the people living in the Islands of the Outer Hebrides. The smoke oozing through the thatched roofs of their "black houses" has added weirdness to the description of their home life and strange environment. These stories have included a description of their wonderfully fine teeth and their stalwart physiques and strong characters. They, accordingly, provide an excellent setting for a study to throw light on the problem of the cause of dental caries and modern physical degeneration. These Islands lie off the northwest coast of Scotland, extending to a latitude nearly as far north as the southern part of Greenland. A typical view of their thatched-roof cottages may be seen in Fig. 5."

http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/Fig.5.jpg


"Isolated and modernized Gaelics," chapter 4 of Nutrition and Physical Degeneration.
http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/price4.html


Pretty fine looking teeth on that family too ;D ;D The whiskey in the background must help too :D

[skid]

[quote=woodman ]


All new wood boilers are low emissions type now, or they cannot be sold. I didn't realize they used so much wood, but I will have three buildings to heat (home shop and barn) and would like to heat them all with wood. Wood is free for me, but it is a lot of work to cut/split/stack it all.

[palani]

Rocket mass stoves ... Mostly made from COB, a 5 gal pail and a 55 gal drum. Always wanted to try one.

http://www.richsoil.com/rocket-stove-mass-heater.jsp


http://www.richsoil.com/images/rocket_stove_butt_warmer_4.gif

[skid]

Thanks for the link Palani! I may install one of those in my greenhouse I am building

[lapis]

Pretty fine looking teeth on that family too ;D ;D The whiskey in the background must help too :D


Haha, sorry, but those are not barrels of whiskey, those are barrels of fish.

These people were very religious and didn't drink:

"One would expect that in their one seaport town of Stornoway things would be gay over the week-end, if not boisterous, with between four and five thousand fishermen and seamen on shore-leave from Saturday until midnight Sunday. On Saturday evening the sidewalks were crowded with happy carefree people, but no boisterousness and no drinking were to be seen. Sunday the people went in throngs to their various churches. Before the sailors went aboard their crafts on Sunday evening they met in bands on the street and on the piers for religious singing and prayers for safety on their next fishing expedition. One could not buy a postage stamp, a picture card, or a newspaper, could not hire a taxi, and could not find a place of amusement open on Sunday. Everybody has reverence for the Sabbath day on the Isle of Lewis. Every activity is made subservient to their observance of the Sabbath day. In few places in the world are moral standards so high."

Price himself was a Methodist minister. He was surprised to find that the 12 groups, despite living in different parts of the world shared similar dietary principles and personality traits.

They all ate some kind of meat and copious amounts of fat, especially saturated fat. Despite most of them living in extremely harsh weather conditions like these Gaelic peoples, they were cheerful, gentle, and had no need for any type of hospital or police force.

Is it no wonder that Price's research is considered fringe by the "authorities"?

[tater]

This winter we installed two Vermont Castings Defiant stoves. Catalytic type. One each downstairs and up.

What a tremendous product.

CC


We have one of these too. When it's operating properly, or when I'm operating it properly I should say. You can look at the stack and only see the heat rising, no smoke :) nice. Very efficient.