Ayn Rand....opponent of “welfare state” received Social Security

[Twisted Titan]

Oh this is just too rich....but totally consistent with how those people operate.


http://www.patiastephens.com/2010/12/05/ayn-rand-received-social-security-medicare



Ayn Rand, Hypocrite?

Legendary opponent of “welfare state” received Social Security and probably Medicare

By Patia Stephens

Critics of Social Security and Medicare frequently invoke the words and ideals of author and philosopher Ayn Rand, one of the fiercest critics of federal insurance programs. But a little-known fact is that Ayn Rand herself collected Social Security. She may also have received Medicare benefits.

An interview recently surfaced that was conducted in 1998 by the Ayn Rand Institute with a social worker who says she helped Rand and her husband, Frank O’Connor, sign up for Social Security and Medicare in 1974.

Federal records obtained through a Freedom of Information act request confirm the Social Security benefits. A similar FOI request was unable to either prove or disprove the Medicare claim.

Between December 1974 and her death in March 1982, Rand collected a total of $11,002 in monthly Social Security payments. O’Connor received $2,943 between December 1974 and his death in November 1979.

According to a spokesman in the Baltimore headquarters of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, Rand and O’Connor were eligible for both Part A, which provides hospital coverage, and Part B, medical. The spokesman said their eligibility for Part B means they did apply for Medicare; however, he said he was not authorized to release any documentation and referred the request to the CMS New York regional office. That office said they could not locate any records related to Rand and O’Connor.

The couple registered for benefits shortly after Rand, a two-pack-a-day smoker, had surgery for lung cancer in the summer of 1974. Medicare had been enacted nine years earlier in the Social Security Act of 1965 to provide health insurance to those age 65 and older.

Evva Joan Pryor, a New York social worker, was interviewed on July 21, 1998, by Scott McConnell, then director of communications for the Ayn Rand Institute. Pryor later became a prominent film rights agent before her death in 2008. McConnell recorded interviews with at least 130 Rand friends and associates for ARI’s Oral History Program between 1996 and 2000. Most of the interviews remain unpublished, although McConnell, now listed as a researcher with the Institute’s Ayn Rand Archives, is working on a book containing material from them.

In the interview, Pryor recounts working as a consultant for Rand’s attorneys, who asked her to speak with Rand about applying for Social Security and Medicare. The two women ended up becoming friends, meeting regularly to play Scrabble and argue politics. While they had philosophical differences, Pryor’s respect and affection for Rand is clear.

“She was coming to a point in her life where she was going to receive the very thing she didn’t like, which was Medicare and Social Security,” Pryor told McConnell. “I remember telling her that this was going to be difficult. For me to do my job she had to recognize that there were exceptions to her theory. So that started our political discussions. From there on – with gusto – we argued all the time.

“The initial argument was on greed,” Pryor continued. “She had to see that there was such a thing as greed in this world. Doctors could cost an awful lot more money than books earn, and she could be totally wiped out by medical bills if she didn’t watch it. Since she had worked her entire life, and had paid into Social Security, she had a right to it. She didn’t feel that an individual should take help.”

McConnell asked: “And did she agree with you about Medicare and Social Security?”

Pryor replied: “After several meetings and arguments, she gave me her power of attorney to deal with all matters having to do with health and Social Security. Whether she agreed or not is not the issue, she saw the necessity for both her and Frank. She was never involved other than to sign the power of attorney; I did the rest.”

The interview continued with Pryor’s reminiscences about her friendship with Rand — their Scrabble playing, political discussions and shared love of Agatha Christie novels – and other observations about Rand, including her relationships with her cook Eloise Huggins, sister Nora and husband Frank. Pryor said that when Frank O’Connor died, she went with Rand to the cemetery in Valhalla, New York, to choose a burial plot and make his funeral arrangements. Rand chose to make her own arrangements at the same time. When Rand later became ill and died, Pryor, who still had power of attorney, made necessary decisions together with Leonard Peikoff, Rand’s legal and intellectual heir.



Winding down the interview, McConnell asked: “Would you say that Ayn Rand practiced what she preached?”

Pryor replied, laughing: “Yes, that’s why I had so much trouble with her.”

“You mean the Social Security issue and all that?” McConnell said.

“Yes,” Pryor said.

Peikoff went on to found the Ayn Rand Institute in 1985. In 1993, he delivered his now-famous speech, “Health Care is Not a Right,” in which he described “socialized medicine” as impractical, immoral and evil. “According to the Founding Fathers,” Peikoff said, “we are not born with a right to a trip to Disneyland, or a meal at McDonald’s, or a kidney dialysis (nor with the 18th-century equivalent of these things).” He continued:

Some people can’t afford medical care in the U.S. But they are necessarily a small minority in a free or even semi-free country. If they were the majority, the country would be an utter bankrupt and could not even think of a national medical program. As to this small minority, in a free country they have to rely solely on private, voluntary charity. Yes, charity, the kindness of the doctors or of the better off—charity, not right, i.e. not their right to the lives or work of others. And such charity, I may say, was always forthcoming in the past in America. The advocates of Medicaid and Medicare under LBJ did not claim that the poor or old in the ’60′s got bad care; they claimed that it was an affront for anyone to have to depend on charity.

But the fact is: You don’t abolish charity by calling it something else. If a person is getting health care for nothing, simply because he is breathing, he is still getting charity, whether or not any politician, lobbyist or activist calls it a “right.” To call it a right when the recipient did not earn it is merely to compound the evil. It is charity still—though now extorted by criminal tactics of force, while hiding under a dishonest name.


Rand herself called altruism a “basic evil” and referred to those who perpetuate the system of taxation and redistribution as “looters” and “moochers.” She wrote in her book “The Virtue of Selfishness” that accepting any government controls is “delivering oneself into gradual enslavement.” In a 1972 edition of her newsletter, she said:

Morally and economically, the welfare state creates an ever accelerating downward pull. Morally, the chance to satisfy demands by force spreads the demands wider and wider, with less and less pretense at justification. Economically, the forced demands of one group create hardships for all others, thus producing an inextricable mixture of actual victims and plain parasites. Since need, not achievement, is held as the criterion of rewards, the government necessarily keeps sacrificing the more productive groups to the less productive, gradually chaining the top level of the economy, then the next level, then the next.


Rand is one of three women the Cato Institute calls founders of American libertarianism. The other two, Rose Wilder Lane and Isabel “Pat” Paterson, both rejected Social Security benefits on principle. Lane, with whom Rand corresponded for several years, once quit an editorial job in order to avoid paying Social Security taxes. The Cato Institute says Lane considered Social Security a “Ponzi fraud” and “told friends that it would be immoral of her to take part in a system that would predictably collapse so catastrophically.” Lane died in 1968.

Paterson, according to Barbara Branden in her book “The Passion of Ayn Rand,” was for a time a close friend and mentor to Rand. After retiring in 1949, Paterson left the envelope with her Social Security card unopened. According to the Cato Institute, Paterson chose to “live well enough” on her investments, although according to Branden, she moved in with friends in 1959, “ill and poor.” She died in 1961.

Rand may have rationalized that since she had paid into Social Security and Medicare, she was entitled to receive benefits. In a 1966 article for The Objectivist newsletter, she wrote about the morality of accepting Social Security, unemployment insurance or similar payments:

It is obvious, in such cases, that a man receives his own money which was taken from him by force, directly and specifically, without his consent, against his own choice. Those who advocated such laws are morally guilty, since they assumed the “right” to force employers and unwilling co-workers. But the victims, who opposed such laws, have a clear right to any refund of their own money—and they would not advance the cause of freedom if they left their money, unclaimed, for the benefit of the welfare-state administration.

One of two biographies of Ayn Rand published in 2009, “Ayn Rand and the World She Made” by Anne C. Heller, contains a sentence about Rand’s receipt of Social Security benefits. Heller writes that Rand and her protégée, former chair of the Federal Reserve Alan Greenspan, “clashed over his leadership of a committee whose purpose was to bolster Social Security (a benefit she deplored but, unlike Isabel Paterson, accepted because she had paid into the fund).”

Rand often spoke of moral absolutism, saying “There can be no compromise on basic principles,” but the realities of aging and illness seem to have softened her stance. Social Security, and perhaps Medicare, allowed Rand and her husband to maintain their quality of life, remain in their apartment and live out their final years with dignity.

[SWRichmond]

She was, rationally, trying to recoup some of the money she'd paid into the system. If she hadn't paid anything into it, then I'd be skeptical.

[hoarder]

She was a Jewess, you don't think she would have let a nickel slide past her paws that she could have grabbed do you? ???

[Book]

She was a Jewess, you don't think she would have let a nickel slide past her paws that she could have grabbed do you? ???



http://www.aynrandsociety.org/photo.jpg
Only the goyim are looters.

[Antonio]

If you want to understand Stalinism, read Ayn Rand. Stalinism is the opposite of that ugly kike in a skirt.

[k-os]

Well, I am absolutely an opponent of the welfare state, but if SS is around when I retire (if I ever get to retire by their rules), I will damn sure take what I put in.

Why? To bust it faster.

Maybe she was behaving like Francisco de Anconia, in a very small, individual way.

[kregener]

It May Begin With Ayn Rand (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/salerno8.1.1.html)
But it usually ends with Murray Rothbard. Article by Joe Salerno.

[ximmy]

Well, I am absolutely an opponent of the welfare state, but if SS is around when I retire (if I ever get to retire by their rules), I will damn sure take what I put in.

Why? To bust it faster.

Maybe she was behaving like Francisco de Anconia, in a very small, individual way.


I'm against welfare state too... but I've put in quite a share, I want it back!!!

[kregener]

This is why it will never go away.

Everybody wants..."theirs".

[ximmy]

This is why it will never go away.

Everybody wants..."theirs".


Funny... If I were to get back just the tax dollars that have been taken from me I be much more self-sufficient than to need SS...

[Ash_Williams]

Up here you're forced to have insurance on your vehicle.

So when someone smashes into your car, do you say "oh well I don't agree with this mandatory insurance so I will not make a claim and I will just keep paying the premium too"? Of course not. You make a claim and you take it for all it's worth. The bastards invited you to play their game, actually forced you to play it, so screw them... win the game if you can.

If it ever comes my time to collect on any entitlement programs you can bet I'll milk them like crazy. They stole from me, I'll take it back.

Taking back what was stolen from you is 100% moral in my book.

[kregener]

Which is why it will never die...until complete collapse.

Politicians know this, and feed on it like carrion.

[osoab]

Which is why it will never die...until complete collapse.

Politicians know this, and feed on it like carrion.


While we pick over the scraps.

[k-os]

This is why it will never go away.

Everybody wants..."theirs".


I would much rather have the opportunity to opt out of it, but that doesn't exist. So what is my alternative, to magnanimously surrender what I have put in to feed the machine? I would rather opt out and give my (otherwise) tax dollars to a charity of my choice, or invest it as I see fit, or anything else, than lend it to TPTB, for them to use as they see fit.

[Antonio]

Nothing warms my Stalinist heart like seeing a middle-class Randian who`s just been given a leukemia diagnosis.

[keehah]

Ayn Shrugged.

[irmatvep]

Well if she paid into the system I can't fault her for collecting.

[Sparky]

Well, I am absolutely an opponent of the welfare state, but if SS is around when I retire (if I ever get to retire by their rules), I will damn sure take what I put in.

Why? To bust it faster.

Maybe she was behaving like Francisco de Anconia, in a very small, individual way.


That's what I was thinking. If they're going to give it out then I'm damn well going to take it.

[Book]

Well if she paid into the system I can't fault her for collecting.



Yeah...Rand herself was kinda understanding and forgiving with the looters in her Atlas Shrugged book. She, of all people, knew it is a pyramid scheme...lol.

:D

[willie pete]

just looking at the numbers in the article and going by that; she "collected" about $115 a month.... :D

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

Reading the article, Ayn didn't do shit. She gave power of attorney to someone who did it for her.

Had she not smoked TWO PACKS a day, she probably wouldn't have needed the expensive lung surgery. So where's the moral absolutism now?

[mamboni]

To criticize Rand as hypocritical for accepting SSI and Medicare is falacious. In the case of the latter, the individual, who was forced to participate ab initio, finds herself facing huge potential medical costs at the end of life. The costs are so high that to not accept the Social Welfare benefit is tantamount to suicide. But why are the medical costs so high? That's the rub: they are so high because of the Social Welfare system that has fed the medical establishment with ever increasing funds and encouraged care without restriction to the point of absurd. The Medicare system has caused the health care system to hypertrophy into a cost structure that is way beyond the realm of economic reality. It is typical for the system to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on a patient with 6 months or less to live, on experimental or cutting edge medicines, prosthetic devices, complex surgeries, radiation, implants and every thing else under the sun. While this sounds very noble and compassionate, one has to ask if we as a society can afford to indulge such resource consumption towards such comparatively non-productive ends.

[mamboni]

one has to ask if we as a society can afford to indulge such resource consumption towards such comparatively non-productive ends.

Lexicon:
We .... one who carries a mouse in his pocket
Society .... group of people living together in an ordered community
Afford ... have enough money ... (not specified is whether this is money of exchange or money of account)
Indulge ... to grant as a favor
Resource ... means of supplying a want or deficiency
Consumption .... a using up, wasting
Comparatively .... involving different branches of a subject
Production ... that which is produced
Non-productive ... that which is not produced, useless
Ends ... outermost part


one has to ask if one who carries a mouse in his pocket as a member of a group of people living together in an ordered community can have enough money to grant as a favor such means of supplying a want or deficiency using up towards such different branches of a subject that which is useless at the outermost parts.

Is this what meant?


I am stupified. :conf: :conf: :conf:

[Awoke]

I don't know the first thing about Ayn Rand 9Don't even know what she looks lie) but I can say this:

I have been on welfare before. Back in the 90's. Big deal. That doesn't mean anything. At the time I either just wanted a free ride, or I couldn't find work.

[mamboni]

I don't know the first thing about Ayn Rand 9Don't even know what she looks lie) but I can say this:

I have been on welfare before. Back in the 90's. Big deal. That doesn't mean anything. At the time I either just wanted a free ride, or I couldn't find work.


But it's not free, is it? Your free ride is someone else's obligation.Socialism encourages "free rides." That is why it eventually collapses. Most people do not have the work ethic and self-less generosity of the late Mother Teresa. Most people eventually succumb to the temptation of the "free ride." Some will say it is out of need or necessity, and that may be. But when I see patients coming in for free care with $300 cell phones and gold piercings and ornate tatoos, I find myself asking which was more necessary, the cell phone or the free care?

[Awoke]

No Mamboni, I understand it all now. At that time (Late teens, early twenties) I hadn't really worked a real job or had much focus/purpose in life, and I certainly hadn't paid my share of taxes to contribute.
(Trust me. I pay enough taxes now to make up for it.)

I'm not proud of my past conduct in regards to taking welfare, but at the time I didn't see any other avenues, and once I settled in I decided to stay longer than I shoud have.


I know it's not free. It's also one step closer to communism.

[Antonio]

I'm not proud of my past conduct in regards to taking welfare, but at the time I didn't see any other avenues, and once I settled in I decided to stay longer than I shoud have.


I know it's not free. It's also one step closer to communism.


How does welfare (I was on welfare in the early 90s too as an penniless immigrant) bring us closer to communism?
Communism means those who don`t work shall not eat. Not working in USSR was punishable by about 2-3 yrs in jail.
You are a smart guy as most are here but nobody knows shit about what really USSR was like.

[hoarder]

Communism means those who don`t work shall not eat. Not working in USSR was punishable by about 2-3 yrs in jail.That's what communism is like after the host has been eaten. Until such time it's a redistribution system designed to garner the support of the majority by living off the productive minority.

[Book]

Your free ride is someone else's obligation.



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_sLfJseTuipM/S1dOipU5ShI/AAAAAAAABfk/t5U6SEnrU-E/s400/handcuffs_new.jpg

Hospital billing? medical mafia? (http://www.ama-assn.org/) $12 aspirin charge at the hospital?

:D

[Antonio]

I`m a staunch social conservative and moderate fiscal liberal (that`s Stalinism for you in one phrase).
Those who don`t work shall not eat but free education and health care is your human right.
Humanity is a family and your parents/relatives didn`t charge you for teaching you the alphabet and changing your diapers.
But it doesn`t mean you can be idle when able to work.

PS.Individualism is a euphemism for satanism, the worship of the self.
Heroes are those whose dream is to die for their country.
This forum is full of the so-called US patriots.
How many have expressed the wish to DIE FOR AMERICA?
None, only caring about THEIR krugs and preps.
This is the reason why you will eventually lose to Russians,Chinese, Japanese and Muslims, my dear individuals.

[Awoke]

First of all, we don't agree period, so there is no point in debating with you. Stalinist VS Constitutionalist. Pfft.



PS.Individualism is a euphemism for satanism, the worship of the self.
Heroes are those whose dream is to die for their country.
This forum is full of the so-called US patriots.
How many have expressed the wish to DIE FOR AMERICA?
None, only caring about THEIR krugs and preps.
This is the reason why you will eventually lose to Russians,Chinese, Japanese and Muslims, my dear individuals.


This tripe is ridiculous. You're trying to paint people with the wrong colors.

Individualism has nothing to do with satanism or worship of the self, it is just reclaimation of your own sovereignity. AKA "You're not my boss"

And you're challenging the members about not "Being willing to Die for their Country"? HA! Laughable. You forget that 90ish% of us here are anti-establishment and recognize the war for what it is: Another step towards Globalization conducted by jewish imperialism.

WTF do you even try that crap around here for? Are you that bored? Or are they just paying you that well?

[mamboni]

Your free ride is someone else's obligation.



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_sLfJseTuipM/S1dOipU5ShI/AAAAAAAABfk/t5U6SEnrU-E/s400/handcuffs_new.jpg

Hospital billing? medical mafia? (http://www.ama-assn.org/) $12 aspirin charge at the hospital?

:D


Yep, and the $12 aspirin is a creation of the social welfare state. Note Antonio's attitude towards socialism, to paraphrase: "you are part of the collective whether you like it or not - you are entitled to free care - you will pay for it too!" ;D ;D ;D

[Antonio]

First of all, we don't agree period, so there is no point in debating with you. Stalinist VS Constitutionalist. Pfft.



PS.Individualism is a euphemism for satanism, the worship of the self.
Heroes are those whose dream is to die for their country.
This forum is full of the so-called US patriots.
How many have expressed the wish to DIE FOR AMERICA?
None, only caring about THEIR krugs and preps.
This is the reason why you will eventually lose to Russians,Chinese, Japanese and Muslims, my dear individuals.


This tripe is ridiculous. You're trying to paint people with the wrong colors.

Individualism has nothing to do with satanism or worship of the self, it is just reclaimation of your own sovereignity. AKA "You're not my boss"

And you're challenging the members about not "Being willing to Die for their Country"? HA! Laughable. You forget that 90ish% of us here are anti-establishment and recognize the war for what it is: Another step towards Globalization conducted by jewish imperialism.

WTF do you even try that crap around here for? Are you that bored? Or are they just paying you that well?


A fist always wins against outstreched fingers.
Okey dokey, you don`t wanna die for USA,me neither:).
Would you like to die to save say,K-OS (she has a cutie pic)?

[k-os]

A fist always wins against outstreched fingers.
Okey dokey, you don`t wanna die for USA,me neither:).
Would you like to die to save say,K-OS (she has a cutie pic)?


Awoke, don't answer that. Rude! What do I have to do with anything?

[Sparky]

...
... but free education and health care is your human right.
...


What is a "human right" really? I think if there is any such thing, it is that every human has the right to not be impeded by, intruded upon, or harmed by other humans. Education, health care, even food and shelter, are all gifts or blessings, and not rights. Once you start making them rights, you stop being grateful.

[Antonio]

A fist always wins against outstreched fingers.
Okey dokey, you don`t wanna die for USA,me neither:).
Would you like to die to save say,K-OS (she has a cutie pic)?


Awoke, don't answer that. Rude! What do I have to do with anything?


hehehehehe, this forum is fun,purrrrrrrrrr..... ;D

[Low_five]

Capitalist in name only. I would ruin that smokey vagina, personally. I would step in to there and write my name on the walls, start thrashing around and break stuff. She would need medicare for vagina reconstructive surgery.

[Awoke]

I would kill or die for the protection of my family and a few certain friends. End of story.

[ximmy]

What is a "human right" really?
Human is not man. Man is man. Man-like is human. Hu-man. Things that are similar are not the same.


A Wo-man is just a female man...

[Low_five]

And a manpanzee is a human that chimps out.

[Antonio]

I would kill or die for the protection of my family and a few certain friends. End of story.



Do you think Antonio/Occamsrazor`s feline cruelty ends here? Think again.
Here we are gonna up the ante a bit more:

You are walking down a dark alley and you have a 3-inch blade made of good carbon steel. All of a sudden you see a completely strange woman being raped by say, 5 male degenerates.
Would you walk away or go into an almost certain death in order to TRY to save that strange woman? ???

[Antonio]

Hey fucking Randians,read this and weep:

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/26/vietnam-vet-ronald-flanagan-battling-cancer-loses-insurance-over/?icid=maing%7Cmain5%7Cdl4%7Csec1_lnk2%7C39535


Vietnam Vet Battling Cancer Regains Insurance Lost Over 2-Cent ShortfallJan 26, 2011 – 7:20 PM
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Ronald Flanagan was already exhausted. The Vietnam veteran was fighting cancer and was just about to get a biopsy before a stem cell transplant when his wife burst into the room with some very bad news: The couple had been dropped by their insurance carrier and couldn't pay for the procedure.

The reason for the dropped coverage? The Flanagans, from Thornton, Colo., were 2 cents short on their $328.69 premium payment, something Frances Flanagan says was a simple accounting error she made while paying the bill on the computer.

"I pressed the '7' instead of the '9,' " she told AOL News today by phone. "I created this and now my husband won't be able to get his transplant."

[Awoke]

As in your other incarnation, you are proving yourself to be a waste of time, Occam.

Give it up already.

[Antonio]

As in your other incarnation, you are proving yourself to be a waste of time, Occam.

Give it up already.


Thanks. I got my satisfaction of the day.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a7cHPy04s8

[Awoke]

Small things for small minds, I suppose.

[Carl]

~ PS.Individualism is a euphemism for satanism, the worship of the self.
Heroes are those whose dream is to die for their country.
This forum is full of the so-called US patriots.
How many have expressed the wish to DIE FOR AMERICA?
None, only caring about THEIR krugs and preps.
This is the reason why you will eventually lose to Russians,Chinese, Japanese and Muslims, my dear individuals.
What silliness.

Heroes don't "dream to die" for their country. Heroes may dream of facilitating the death of others in the name of their country. And they only become "heroes" when they are successful at it.

Real US patriotism is dedicated to the Ideal that is America against all enemies of that ideal, both foreign and domestic.

If we do eventually lose to the Russians, Chinese, Japanese and Muslims it will because we failed to guard against our enemies within more than anything the Russians, Chinese, Japanese and Muslims could put up against us.



.

[Antonio]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwlXllNkjtY

We can do the Carl philosophy as well.

[Antonio]

USA is not a nation but a group of people united by murderous greed and fear,
a satanic combo of casino/brothel/dope-shooting gallery/Mc Donalds.

Nobody in their right mind would wanna die for such an ideal, I don`t blame anyone for not being insane.

[Carl]

USA is not a nation but a group of people united by murderous greed and fear,
a satanic combo of casino/brothel/dope-shooting gallery/Mc Donalds.

Nobody in their right mind would wanna die for such an ideal, I don`t blame anyone for not being insane.


Thank you for sharing your puerile point of view, I'm sure the country that you live in appreciates your dedication to and participation in their group think oneness.



.

[Awoke]

USA is not a nation but a group of people united by murderous greed and fear,
a satanic combo of casino/brothel/dope-shooting gallery/Mc Donalds.

Nobody in their right mind would wanna die for such an ideal, I don`t blame anyone for not being insane.


You can thank your very own Ba'al/Moloch worshipping ilk for the state of North America.

Quit trying to blame the victims, when you know it is the jew who perpetrates and accelerates the downfall of these Nations (Canada/USA) and the morality if its inhabitants.

[Antonio]

USA is not a nation but a group of people united by murderous greed and fear,
a satanic combo of casino/brothel/dope-shooting gallery/Mc Donalds.

Nobody in their right mind would wanna die for such an ideal, I don`t blame anyone for not being insane.


You can thank your very own Ba'al/Moloch worshipping ilk for the state of North America.

Quit trying to blame the victims, when you know it is the jew who perpetrates and accelerates the downfall of these Nations (Canada/USA) and the morality if its inhabitants.


I don`t see no downfall in morality here. Actually I`m seeing an improvement. USA was based on genocide of the Natives and Black slavery. Now that all the indigenous people here are dead, USA is bombing the brown people in other countries for their resources and cheap labor.
Here and now in North America things are beautiful compared to the way this satanic orgy had started. The US satanists are kindly exporting the horrors to North Korea,Vietnam,Serbia,Iraq,Afghan etc.

[Book]

I was on welfare in the early 90s too as an penniless immigrant



http://numbertwoguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/poop-pants-caption-contest.jpg

From penniless immigrant to heroin addict in only twenty years!

Your mom in Poland must be very proud of her son in America.

:D

[Antonio]

I was on welfare in the early 90s too as an penniless immigrant



http://numbertwoguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/poop-pants-caption-contest.jpg

From penniless immigrant to heroin addict in only twenty years!

Your mom in Poland must be very proud of her son in America.

:D


Since you regularly quote our old PMs here, remember how you whined to me on the Agora how you used to be homeless?
Yeah,I shitted my pants once in the privacy of my elevator and woke up in shit in my own bed (I pay taxes) a few times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxKde2DMvdA

enjoy.
PS. By the way, I don`t shit my pants anymore. I`m clean but just can`t sleep that much.

[Book]

Yeah,I shitted my pants once in the privacy of my elevator and woke up in shit in my own bed...



:oo-->

[Antonio]

Book can`t get over the huge gold-related macroeconomic news that some junkie Antonio has shitted in his pants a few times so every other thread is derailed into pant-shitting.


PS. I can still get it up without viagra. Can you, Book?

[Book]

http://englishrussia.com/images/women_on_edge/1_025.jpg
"How am I going pay for Antonio's piano lessons this month?"

[Antonio]

Book, the more you post of your brilliant pics and the faster, the more I`m convinced that you are a brigade.

[Book]

http://australiansforpalestine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Russian-immigrants.jpg
"We finally made it to America! Where's the heroin dealer?"

[mamboni]

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"We finally made it to America! Where's the heroin dealer?"



I just dropped my left testicle laughing so hard.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

[JDRock]

If you want to understand Stalinism, read Ayn Rand. Stalinism is the opposite of that ugly kike in a skirt.


stalin WAS a kike btw... :oo-->

[Antonio]

If you want to understand Stalinism, read Ayn Rand. Stalinism is the opposite of that ugly kike in a skirt.


stalin WAS a kike btw... :oo-->


Sure and so are you. Anyone remotely aware of the kike question has some kike DNA, pure goym are watching TV.

[Antonio]

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"We finally made it to America! Where's the heroin dealer?"


Book, let`s get back to basic physiology. Is GSUS a gold and silver forum or a shit and heroin forum?
I AM TIRED of both shit and heroin, that`s why I decided to drink the cup of indescribable pain and get clean.
Seems like you ain`t tired of shit and heroin yet.
I can help you, get a good heroin connection, start snorting, then skin-popping
(PM me about all the intricasies of filtering and cooking dope, I don`t want your old ass die of an infection).
Shitting in pants starts after a reaching about 100$/day skin-pop habit, if sustained for a month or 2.

PS. Your WASPish Shadenfreude is open for everyone to see, just as my Russian magnanimity is.

[Awoke]

I don`t see no downfall in morality here. Actually I`m seeing an improvement. USA was based on genocide of the Natives and Black slavery. Now that all the indigenous people here are dead, USA is bombing the brown people in other countries for their resources and cheap labor.
Here and now in North America things are beautiful compared to the way this satanic orgy had started. The US satanists are kindly exporting the horrors to North Korea,Vietnam,Serbia,Iraq,Afghan etc.


Again, you can thank the jew.



Another thing they don't teach you in school is that Columbus was financed by jews, a majority of his crew were jews, and the first people he told about America were jews. Also, some of the first settlers in America were jews.

Read "The International Jew: The world's foremost problem" by Henry Ford. It's in the first chapter I think.


I'm sorry Occam, but you're beat. Again. The hand of the jew unveiled. Again.

[Book]

Is GSUS a gold and silver forum or a shit and heroin forum?



Since you returned as Antonio or since forever?

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[Antonio]

I don`t see no downfall in morality here. Actually I`m seeing an improvement. USA was based on genocide of the Natives and Black slavery. Now that all the indigenous people here are dead, USA is bombing the brown people in other countries for their resources and cheap labor.
Here and now in North America things are beautiful compared to the way this satanic orgy had started. The US satanists are kindly exporting the horrors to North Korea,Vietnam,Serbia,Iraq,Afghan etc.


Again, you can thank the jew.



Another thing they don't teach you in school is that Columbus was financed by jews, a majority of his crew were jews, and the first people he told about America were jews. Also, some of the first settlers in America were jews.

Read "The International Jew: The world's foremost problem" by Henry Ford. It's in the first chapter I think.


I'm sorry Occam, but you're beat. Again. The hand of the jew unveiled. Again.




Why am I beat, Awoke? Here we are in complete agreement. Come to NYC, we`ll trade some knives and I`ll buy you a beer.

[Antonio]

Is GSUS a gold and silver forum or a shit and heroin forum?



Since you returned as Antonio or since forever?

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Book ( or an ADL brigade posting as Book), you are a legend. I don`t dream about ever attaining the type of influence on GSUS that you hold.
I`m a just a kitten who fell in love with catnip too much...

[Book]

shitting in pants starts after a reaching about 100$/day skin-pop habit, if sustained for a month or 2.



http://www2.tbo.com/exposure/ar/385/255/2009/06/16/3986_061609purse-snatch-1.jpg

Did you sell your very last silver coin before going on your purse-snatching spree? You were gone for way longer than two months...

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[Antonio]

shitting in pants starts after a reaching about 100$/day skin-pop habit, if sustained for a month or 2.



http://www2.tbo.com/exposure/ar/385/255/2009/06/16/3986_061609purse-snatch-1.jpg

Did you sell your very last silver coin before going on your purse-snatching spree? You were gone for way longer than two months...

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I hadda part with a tiny bit of both Au and Ag,maybe 5% of my PMs. I owe some money to Chase though.
I prefer to think that soon I`ll be paying the shylocks with Weimar FRNs.
I am a bad, bad motherfucker, Book, really bad...
But I never robbed no one and the scariest thing of all Book, uh ain`t stoopid.

[Book]

I hadda part with a tiny bit of both Au and Ag,maybe 5% of my PMs.



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I`m clean after shooting dope every 1-2hrs for the past 3 yrs.

[Antonio]

I hadda part with a tiny bit of both Au and Ag,maybe 5% of my PMs.



:oo-->




I`m clean after shooting dope every 1-2hrs for the past 3 yrs.




Like I said, I ain`t stupid and I ain`t weak.

You seem to be infatuated with my shit.

How about I send you a jar of my piss so you can buy an opioid dipstick test at your local drugstore and see how magnificently dope-free it is?

[Awoke]

I personally have no doubts that you're blood would test clean.
What I doubt is that you were ever into drugs at all. It's a front.

[Book]

I hadda part with a tiny bit of both Au and Ag,maybe 5% of my PMs.



:oo-->




I`m clean after shooting dope every 1-2hrs for the past 3 yrs.




Like I said, I ain`t stupid and I ain`t weak.



Heroin addict "shooting dope every 1-2hrs for the past 3 yrs" is smart and strong.

:D

[Antonio]

I personally have no doubts that you're blood would test clean.
What I doubt is that you were ever into drugs at all. It's a front.


6 months from now when my opioid receptors get back to clean slate and I cannot get re-addicted from one snort, come to NYC and we`ll share a baggie.
I could do a line of coke with you right now.
The reason I don`t is I`ve done all this shit countless 1000s times.

PS.A Russian joke.
A gorgeous whore is getting some tan on a beach. A dude comes up and starts some small talk with her.
She is completely disinterested.
Finally she says: "What do you do for a living?"
The dude says: "I`m a machinist in a steel shop".
She says: "Imagine, you go to the beach and all you see is grinders,grinders,grinders..."

[sirgonzo420]

I personally have no doubts that you're blood would test clean.
What I doubt is that you were ever into drugs at all. It's a front.


6 months from now when my opioid receptors get back to clean slate and I cannot get re-addicted from one snort, come to NYC and we`ll share a baggie.
I could do a line of coke with you right now.
The reason I don`t is I`ve done all this shit countless 1000s times.

PS.A Russian joke.
A gorgeous whore is getting some tan on a beach. A dude comes up and starts some small talk with her.
She is completely disinterested.
Finally she says: "What do you do for a living?"
The dude says: "I`m a machinist in a steel shop".
She says: "Imagine, you go to the beach and all you see is grinders,grinders,grinders..."



You know you're a junky when you are already planning your first hit "after you get clean".

LOL


I don't care what they say about ya, I like ya antonio!

Вы смешно !

[Book]

...I've done all this shit countless 1000s times.



:oo-->




Like I said, I ain`t stupid and I ain`t weak.

[Antonio]

I hadda part with a tiny bit of both Au and Ag,maybe 5% of my PMs.



:oo-->




I`m clean after shooting dope every 1-2hrs for the past 3 yrs.




Like I said, I ain`t stupid and I ain`t weak.



Heroin addict "shooting dope every 1-2hrs for the past 3 yrs" is smart and strong.

:D




Sure smarter and stronger than an old geezer drowining in Shadenfreude and begging a junkie for more of the eerie shit stories and to reveal how the 1st indescribable heroin high feels like.
Ok, here is a free gift for you, the 1st dope high is akin to a death dress rehearsal, it`s a twilight zone between life and sleep where you can customize your own dreams. How about it,Book? Go buy a baggie...
http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&tbs=isch:1&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&q=heroin%20bag%20stamps

[Antonio]

I personally have no doubts that you're blood would test clean.
What I doubt is that you were ever into drugs at all. It's a front.


6 months from now when my opioid receptors get back to clean slate and I cannot get re-addicted from one snort, come to NYC and we`ll share a baggie.
I could do a line of coke with you right now.
The reason I don`t is I`ve done all this shit countless 1000s times.

PS.A Russian joke.
A gorgeous whore is getting some tan on a beach. A dude comes up and starts some small talk with her.
She is completely disinterested.
Finally she says: "What do you do for a living?"
The dude says: "I`m a machinist in a steel shop".
She says: "Imagine, you go to the beach and all you see is grinders,grinders,grinders..."



You know you're a junky when you are already planning your first hit "after you get clean".

LOL


I don't care what they say about ya, I like ya antonio!

Вы смешно !


So give me a thank you, you cheap hook-nosed kike with a gun pic.

[Book]

How about it, Book?

[ximmy]

How about it, Book?






It happens to all of us

Don't be ashamed, it happens to everyone. Maybe it was that second sausage you had at the ballgame, or you had too much bourbon at the bachelor party, or maybe you forgot that you're lactose intolerant. It happens to the best of us, even you. How much you wanna bet that the Queen of England has pooped her panties? Tell your story. Go on now. It's anonymous if you'd like it to be. Just get it off your chest and move on with your life.

http://www.ishatmyself.com/

[JDRock]

If you want to understand Stalinism, read Ayn Rand. Stalinism is the opposite of that ugly kike in a skirt.


stalin WAS a kike btw... :oo-->


Sure and so are you. Anyone remotely aware of the kike question has some kike DNA, pure goym are watching TV.


ummm...no. stalin, had a convient name change before taking power, and his old name translated in russian was "joe jewison"

[Book]

Come to NYC



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_blM38AGWqvs/R7bMwbXDVDI/AAAAAAAACMI/O2At4hyYQy0/s400/MidnightCowboyshot.jpg

"I'll take you to the GSUS NYC Meetup right after I introduce you to my only friend Tyrone under this bridge Book."

:o

[mamboni]

I personally have no doubts that you're blood would test clean.
What I doubt is that you were ever into drugs at all. It's a front.


6 months from now when my opioid receptors get back to clean slate and I cannot get re-addicted from one snort, come to NYC and we`ll share a baggie.
I could do a line of coke with you right now.
The reason I don`t is I`ve done all this shit countless 1000s times.

PS.A Russian joke.
A gorgeous whore is getting some tan on a beach. A dude comes up and starts some small talk with her.
She is completely disinterested.
Finally she says: "What do you do for a living?"
The dude says: "I`m a machinist in a steel shop".
She says: "Imagine, you go to the beach and all you see is grinders,grinders,grinders..."


Once exposed to heroin and the like, your opioid receptors are permanently downregulated, forever. You can never achieve a high like the first one. Once a junkie always a junkie, even if "clean," because your brain can never forget that first pleasurable experience. I know some "clean" ex-junkies and they are forever preoccupied with possibly getting high. I feel sorry for them because it is a curse - the monkey is dormant but always on your back ready to reawaken. All these friends and relatives who participated in the "fabulous '60s" drug experimentation made a tragic and permanent mistake when they chose to screw around with their own bodies, encouraged by irresponsible assholes like Timothy Leary and the like. Once you've tasted horse, you never lose the memory of it. It's not a subject to joke or boast about; to do so is depraved.

[Book]

Once a junkie always a junkie...



Can never be trusted. Never.

[Antonio]

I personally have no doubts that you're blood would test clean.
What I doubt is that you were ever into drugs at all. It's a front.


6 months from now when my opioid receptors get back to clean slate and I cannot get re-addicted from one snort, come to NYC and we`ll share a baggie.
I could do a line of coke with you right now.
The reason I don`t is I`ve done all this shit countless 1000s times.

PS.A Russian joke.
A gorgeous whore is getting some tan on a beach. A dude comes up and starts some small talk with her.
She is completely disinterested.
Finally she says: "What do you do for a living?"
The dude says: "I`m a machinist in a steel shop".
She says: "Imagine, you go to the beach and all you see is grinders,grinders,grinders..."


Once exposed to heroin and the like, your opioid receptors are permanently downregulated, forever. You can never achieve a high like the first one. Once a junkie always a junkie, even if "clean," because your brain can never forget that first pleasurable experience. I know some "clean" ex-junkies and they are forever preoccupied with possibly getting high. I feel sorry for them because it is a curse - the monkey is dormant but always on your back ready to reawaken. All these friends and relatives who participated in the "fabulous '60s" drug experimentation made a tragic and permanent mistake when they chose to screw around with their own bodies, encouraged by irresponsible assholes like Timothy Leary and the like. Once you've tasted horse, you never lose the memory of it. It's not a subject or joke or boast about; to do so is depraved.


We gots ourselves an honest doc here on GSUS. I cannot find a single lie in this post.

[Antonio]

Once a junkie always a junkie...



Can never be trusted. Never.


You wouldn`t trust Edgar Poe,Dickens,Goethe,Delacroix,Flaubert, Chopin, Berlioz,Victor Hugo, shit I could go on and on?

[sirgonzo420]

I personally have no doubts that you're blood would test clean.
What I doubt is that you were ever into drugs at all. It's a front.


6 months from now when my opioid receptors get back to clean slate and I cannot get re-addicted from one snort, come to NYC and we`ll share a baggie.
I could do a line of coke with you right now.
The reason I don`t is I`ve done all this shit countless 1000s times.

PS.A Russian joke.
A gorgeous whore is getting some tan on a beach. A dude comes up and starts some small talk with her.
She is completely disinterested.
Finally she says: "What do you do for a living?"
The dude says: "I`m a machinist in a steel shop".
She says: "Imagine, you go to the beach and all you see is grinders,grinders,grinders..."


Once exposed to heroin and the like, your opioid receptors are permanently downregulated, forever. You can never achieve a high like the first one. Once a junkie always a junkie, even if "clean," because your brain can never forget that first pleasurable experience. I know some "clean" ex-junkies and they are forever preoccupied with possibly getting high. I feel sorry for them because it is a curse - the monkey is dormant but always on your back ready to reawaken. All these friends and relatives who participated in the "fabulous '60s" drug experimentation made a tragic and permanent mistake when they chose to screw around with their own bodies, encouraged by irresponsible assholes like Timothy Leary and the like. Once you've tasted horse, you never lose the memory of it. It's not a subject to joke or boast about; to do so is depraved.


Timothy Leary may have been an irresponsible asshole, but I don't recall him advising people to do heroin.

I associate the 60's more with marijuana and LSD than heroin.... and marijuana and LSD cause virtually zero harm compared to heroin, and they aren't addictive either.

I don't know anybody jonesing for an acid fix... although I make it a point to partake once a year or so. It's kinda my way of going to church.

[sirgonzo420]

Once a junkie always a junkie...



Can never be trusted. Never.


You wouldn`t trust Edgar Poe,Dickens,Goethe,Delacroix,Flaubert, Chopin, Berlioz,Victor Hugo, shit I could go on and on?


Should I trust a man, simply because he's good with a pen or a piano or I've heard his name before?

[Antonio]

Once a junkie always a junkie...



Can never be trusted. Never.


You wouldn`t trust Edgar Poe,Dickens,Goethe,Delacroix,Flaubert, Chopin, Berlioz,Victor Hugo, shit I could go on and on?


Should I trust a man, simply because he's good with a pen or a piano or I've heard his name before?


Don`t blame you. I don`t know the meaning of the word trust, I trust no one,period.
I can use the word "trust" correctly in a sentence but I don`t know that feeling, kinda like a sociopath who can correctly use the word "compassion" but has none.

[Book]

I can use the word "trust" correctly in a sentence but I don`t know that feeling, kinda like a sociopath who can correctly use the word "compassion" but has none.



Thus: Never trust a junkie.

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[MAGNES]

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