Zeitgeist: Moving Forward 2011 [FULL LENGTH MOVIE]

[Twisted Titan]

I wonder what socialistic One world crap they are gonna spew in this edition???



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEA1CJehRHA

[MAGNES]

I am glad you see that, I was worried about many people on gim falling for it.
They even have a worse one they promoted, that Gymnastike, spelled wrong,
it was all about blaming Europeans.

I conceded some points about some of the common denominators about
Christianity and other beliefs in whole region, because of Indo European
movements, they had a common area they moved out of and beliefs evolved
but were similar, turns out after studying this further even my conceding
this is wrong and they have total misrepresentations, so they couldn't
even get that right, on my desktop I have a book written by a Prof on this.
This is the main and most important objective of zeitgeist, anti Christian.

Apparently Griffin even has problems with money section.

On gim we showed and pointed to the Occult being behind this.
Followers and believers of the Blavatsky Occult Witch, this also
overlaps with Masons and their beliefs, even Albert Pike apparently
was influenced by her, people should read her work, she is a
witch, they do believe in black magic and aliens and cosmic bagels.

Christians take offense, they should not, beliefs do have common basis,
and evolve, burrow, when you consider Indo European history you would
expect this, but Zeitgeist is full of it, they blew this too, even if true it is
not a proof against anything. I strongly believe in the historical Jesus,
man wrote about him in allegorical terms, that was the norm for the period.
They do the same to St Nicholas, a real man , real history, attribute superhuman
abilities to him. If we had a leader we may build him up as well over time,
a legend, a warrior, super man, Ron Paul. lol

There was 2 excellent videos online that showed people behind it. Blavatsky followers.
That is the one you should watch, then you should do your own research on Blavatsky.
Trust me it will freak you out.

Alex Jones gets it too. They are right, but they need to expose Blavatsky " Theosophics ".
Gkhan promoted this crap and Goldie did as well, everything she did, her playbook.
Read all the way through. I was respectful, after being confronted and outed she openly
starts posting about Lucifer in more than one thread. What disturbs me is seeing how
she fooled everyone on gim , including me for the longest time.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/religion-and-philosophy/parallel-universes-exist-time-travel-possible-(tough-one-for-religions)/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FuFt2hYjWw

[MAGNES]

ROFL !

The Gregg Braden videos are gone, Mr I see Lucifer,
the original post is gone too, posted on gim2, and
all the yoyo's thanked it, how stupid can you be,
it stunk like shit to me and one search on youtube
it is Mr Lucifer taking shots and lying about Constantine.
How predictable. See my Eustace Mullins Byzantine thread.

You can still see the titles of the videos, this is what passes as " historical truth ".
http://gold-silver.us/forum/religion-and-philosophy/parallel-universes-exist-time-travel-possible-(tough-one-for-religions)/msg14068/#msg14068

All this is the work of the same people that did Zeitgeist.

Blavatsky Theosophists, Masons.

[Twisted Titan]

http://www.pdf-search-engine.net/externalization-of-the-hierarchy-pdf.html

Externalization of the Heirarchy A Huge amount of Zietgiest is cribbed from this book

[MAGNES]

If you are interested in the Occult these are must watch videos.

Finding and reading Blavatsky online is easy as well, these people
as they tell you what not to believe, believe in the craziest things.
Real voodoo, or they pretend to, it is a con.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPd68VKvlhc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5GqxVPGhSg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Emb_logo.png

[iOWNme]

Thanks for the post T.

I watched around 45min of it. The 'Capitalism' bashing starts around 37min. As if Peter Joseph understands the Federal Reserve fractional banking system, and still blames Capitalism and the Free Market for all of our problems....LOL

[Awoke]

I'd rather watch a Magpul Dynamics video.

[MAGNES]

I'd rather watch a Magpul Dynamics video.


I watched after it went viral on the net long ago, didn't
think too much of it, then I started noticing many people
plugging it and that is when I took a greater interest.
I was trying to understand what people saw in this.
I think the anti Christian message was their main goal.
And I think that is what made it more popular with some.
Jesus fought the FED of his day, lol, what irony.

[Awoke]

I saw the first one and recognized the new-age mysticism agenda right away. I wasted a small amount of time watching a portion of part II: The venus project.

New-age humanist mysticism. The message? "Forget God. You ARE God".

Have fun with that one in the afterlife, suckers.

[MAGNES]

"Forget God. You ARE God".


Fits with Nihilism and Hedonism and all the other degeneracy promoted.

When I first saw it online I was not onto the Occult.

If you want to see something funny, even wiki rips it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist:_The_Movie

People actually wrote books refuting what was in it
due to it's popularity, or it seemed that way.

It's funny you should mention " new age ", this is where
my arguments with people started, " new age " is ripoffs
and corruptions.

[MAGNES]

Just reading wikipedia now, quickly, I strongly encourage you
to read through, they are using Zeitgeist to smear us as well,
we are all a bunch of conspiracy nuts that easily fall for hogwash,
to some extent that was true, people fell for the rambling,
you would think they were blaming the Christians for everything too.

Thanks Gkhan.

Michael Shermer, founder of the Skeptics Society, mentioned Zeitgeist in an article in Scientific American on skepticism in the age of mass media, and the postmodern belief in the relativism of truth. He argues that this belief, coupled with a "clicker culture of mass media," results in a multitude of various truth claims packaged in "infotainment units", such as Zeitgeist, Loose Change, Poltergeist, or The Twilight Zone.[26] [ ROFL ! ]

Some journalists have focused on it as an example of how conspiracy theories are propagated in the internet age. For example, Ivor Tossell in the Globe and Mail argued that contradictions in the film are overwhelmed by passion and effective use of video editing:

The film is an interesting object lesson on how conspiracy theories get to be so popular... It's a driven, if uneven, piece of propaganda, a marvel of tight editing and fuzzy thinking.

Chris Forbes, Senior lecturer in Ancient History of Macquarie University

Examining some of specific claims made by the film, Forbes points out that while there are parallels between the story of Jesus and many ancient mythological figures, many of the ones mentioned in the film are false, as are other aspects of the film's description of these myths. Forbes states that there is no evidence in Egyptian sources that Horus' mother Isis was a virgin, and says that Ra was the Egyptian god of the sun, not Horus. Similarly, neither Krishna nor Dionysus nor Attis were ever said to be born of virgins, as Krishna was the eighth child of his parents, Devaki and Vasudeva, and Dionysus' mother, Semele, had slept with Zeus.

[iOWNme]

At around 1:30:00 starts the Individualistic Private Property Ownership BASHING.

Bashing Locke and others for the idea that God gave the earth to us. And that applying our faculties to the natural resources we can create property that we own. (Read the book The Law by Fredrick Bastiat). As if it is bad to use your time, energy, resources, and skills to create something that NOBODY CAN TAKE AWAY FROM YOU.

Then into the 'Global Resource Management System' where everyone will make a wish list, and according to where you live, you will get products that reflect your needs.

Then into city's built in circles, vertical gardening, cars that drive themselves, etc.....

I actually like what Peter does with the human and their environment. Everything he says about how complex we are, about how our brains work in connection with our environment, and how we are molded from birth, all prove even more that their is a Creator to this universe, and that we are divine entities.

Thanks Peter!

[Awoke]

We are created in God's image and likeness, but we are not divine.

[oldmansmith]

I guess I liked the original more than you guys, but they blew it when they went into the "Venus project" and talked about how technology was going to save us. That guy gave me the freaking creeps...

There are many people I know for whom this film was their only introduction into the Fed, 911, etc.

[Twisted Titan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npYzRxNoyb0

[PatColo]

FWIW, before I saw Zeitgeist I was still 100% sheeple, it inspired me to research and led me to seek out many sources of info, ultimately leading me to discussions of religion, law, politics, America, and Money. At the time I considered Zeitgeist, End Game, Esoteric Agenda, and Money as Debt "must see" videos. By the time Zeitgeist Addendum came out and I saw it, I was able to spot the fallacies and am now much more aware of the 1% implanted poison along with the 99% of good and truth.

Were it not for Zeitgeist, I might still have been sheeple today, and perhaps never would have found GIM. Perhaps the motivation behind Zeitgeist backfired on people such as myself.


That's the same reasoning why I don't try to talk noobs out of AJ's shows & videos, despite that both largely omit the Elephant in the Room (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/the-zionist-elephant-in-the-room/msg2940/#msg2940). I learned alot from AJ earlier on, but the awakening person invariable seeks out further sources, and they eventually find where all roads seem to lead. AJ's presentation is lively & compelling, just what J6P needs to hold their attention. AJ and Zeitgeist are both good places to start for most noobs, provided they have the curiosity & intelligence to branch out.

[vacuum]

So I've been watching the video

- first 40 minutes they have a long-winded discussion attempting to prove that one's environment determines one's behavior...especially that behavior isn't genetic
- next 30 minutes or so they discuss the economy and market system, explaining that it promotes inefficiencies
- next 20 minutes they talk about the monetary system....money = debt, fractional reserve banking, compounding interest
- next 10 - 20 minutes talking about how social/economic inequality is the cause of most violence and other problems
At 1 hour 30 minutes they go into 'project earth'....designing a society from the ground up
- the solution is not based on politics or religion, but on science. All resources are identified and tracked via a 'Global Resource Management System"
- use a computer to calculate the optimal way things should be done based on strategic preservation, strategic safety, and strategic efficiency....this is known as the 'Global Production Management System'
- also track the most efficient distribution of goods and how they are used.....does everyone need a car built if they only use it 45 minutes a day? The 'Demand Distribution Tracking System'
- this is the 'Resource-based Economy': the scientific method applied to social concern
- spend a lot of time talking about these circular, automated, planned cities
- they start talking about energy

Overall, I didn't find their arguments convincing. A centralized, computer-controlled society based on science is flawed....because, in my opinion
- science itself is now Science. Its based on funding, status quo, egos, and many other things before the scientific method.
- human behavior, while probably shaped by the environment to a great degree, will, at the very least, remain chaotic and entropic even under optimal conditions. A social system with negative entropy cannot exist made of individuals who are double-minded and inherently entropic. A spiritual transformation is the only thing that can change this.
- external forces, commonly known as evil or demonic forces, are not factored in. Any type of centralized control is very dangerous in that case.

[Twisted Titan]

Thanks for the break down I was doing something similar

I was cracking up when he was talking about science like its cut and dry.

Science is more Political then washington could ever HOPE to be.

Look up Immaunel Velokosky and the revolutionary theories he prosposed only to be proven correct later ( worlds in chaos) and see how TO THIS DAY he is still lambasted by the Scietific Comunity

Nikola Tesla how he had workable Wifi and electricity able to be transported WITHOUT the use of copper wire in the late 1890's

How there are Giant holes the size of Texas with the theroy of Darwinism yet he is still beyond reproach


Science is Politics
Polictics is corrupt
Corruption leads to Suffering of the vulnerable and the critical thinker is punished.

[osoab]

Haven't watched this one yet. Still downloading.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg5K07c72Tw&feature=player_embedded


I got through about 30-40 minutes of the Zeitgeist movie. I didn't care for it one bit when they were talking about DNA changing the brain structure of abused kids (I think) I called it quits.

[osoab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcp6ov9Md8U&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEduLQhn_dc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icUphRBeHxM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMb-gFeF5DM&feature=related

[wrs]

New-age humanist mysticism. The message? "Forget God. You ARE God".

Have fun with that one in the afterlife, suckers.

How do you know that isn't true? You sure have no proof of the existence of afterlife or what it's like. You believe a myth that is powerful to you, it controls your thinking and your attitudes towards others. That is evident in your second comment. In my view you are the sucker.

As to the Zeitgist stuff, it's just more people with beliefs that they want others to hold to. Blavatsky is just another person that claims to have esoteric knowledge, others were certainly willing to follow her. The Christian church is no different, it makes unfounded and unproven claims that millions of people swallow without any actual proof or consideration for the basis of these claims.

[vacuum]

New-age humanist mysticism. The message? "Forget God. You ARE God".

Have fun with that one in the afterlife, suckers.

How do you know that isn't true? You sure have no proof of the existence of afterlife or what it's like. You believe a myth that is powerful to you, it controls your thinking and your attitudes towards others. That is evident in your second comment. In my view you are the sucker.

As to the Zeitgist stuff, it's just more people with beliefs that they want others to hold to. Blavatsky is just another person that claims to have esoteric knowledge, others were certainly willing to follow her. The Christian church is no different, it makes unfounded and unproven claims that millions of people swallow without any actual proof or consideration for the basis of these claims.

Its also interesting....Jesus was both a man and God. We are supposed to be like Jesus...no, actually greater. Also, the kingdom of heaven (where God is) is within you.

[Book]

Any type of centralized control is very dangerous in that case.



http://i.ytimg.com/vi/xpiNEQztqio/0.jpg

Nah...this old jew leader of his worldwide kibbutz Venus Project will treat us goyim just like his own Chosen Tribe. I watched the whole 180 minutes...lol.

:D


A kibbutz (Hebrew: קיבוץ, קִבּוּץ, lit. "gathering, clustering"; plural kibbutzim) is a collective community in Israel that was traditionally based on agriculture. Today, farming has been partly supplanted by other economic branches, including industrial plants and high-tech enterprises.[1] Kibbutzim began as utopian communities, a combination of socialism and Zionism. In recent decades, many kibbutzim have been privatized and changes have been made in the communal lifestyle.

[steyr_m]

FWIW, before I saw Zeitgeist I was still 100% sheeple, it inspired me to research and led me to seek out many sources of info, ultimately leading me to discussions of religion, law, politics, America, and Money. At the time I considered Zeitgeist, End Game, Esoteric Agenda, and Money as Debt "must see" videos. By the time Zeitgeist Addendum came out and I saw it, I was able to spot the fallacies and am now much more aware of the 1% implanted poison along with the 99% of good and truth.

Were it not for Zeitgeist, I might still have been sheeple today, and perhaps never would have found GIM. Perhaps the motivation behind Zeitgeist backfired on people such as myself.

'
Same for me, there are lots of Glenn Beck bashers out there; but he and that movie made me "wake up". I've moved past GB now, but know that he did hold up The Road to Serfdom by Friedrich von Hayek and said "read this". That's more than Oprah ever did.

[Awoke]

All those video serve a purpose of waking people up, although they conceal the root cause of our tread toward a true one world dictatorship.

Even the crypto-jew, Alex Jones, wake the blue-pillers up, and that's a good thing. At least it gets people started on wondering and questioning, but those videos and producers are not the "end of the road" as far as information regarding the conspiracy goes.

They run around the mouth of the rabbit hole, but don't venture inside.

[osoab]

Haven't watched this one yet. Still downloading.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg5K07c72Tw&feature=player_embedded


I got through about 30-40 minutes of the Zeitgeist movie. I didn't care for it one bit when they were talking about DNA changing the brain structure of abused kids (I think) I called it quits.


The above was a response by Stefan Molyneux to the latest Zeitgeist.

This is Peter Joseph's response to Molyneux.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozy52bZ6JTw

This is Molyneux's response to the response.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9WEWcbfnHg&feature=player_embedded

[iOWNme]

Here is Jacque Fresco explaining personal property, and equal Justice under the Law:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajsh1DtLxDw&feature=related

[Twisted Titan]

That guy is talking like he has got it all figured out.

If he does.......why dont he just build his Venus?

Its not like he needs "money" to create it.


T

[Nitz]

That guy is talking like he has got it all figured out.

If he does.......why dont he just build his Venus?

Its not like he needs "money" to create it.


T


I see Zeitgeist from a number of different angles...but I dont understand shitting on Fresco's ideas because he doesnt just "do them" Anyone with a vision for a better future should stick their ideas up their own asses unless they have money to bring it all to fruition themselves??? It is an idealistic proposal yes...but I don't knock him for conceptualizing a different future.

[iOWNme]

Jacque Fresco on Communism....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHiy4EuUD2U&feature=related


Edit: Why wont these videos embed?

[Shami-Amourae]

Jacque Fresco on Communism....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHiy4EuUD2U&feature=related


Edit: Why wont these videos embed?


The forums have a limit on YouTube videos, and once you go past it, they no longer embed.

[Santa]

After watching all these video's, especially Stefan's and then Peter's rebuttal, I can say this.

There is definitely more similarity between Marxism and Capitalism
than there is between Marxism and this Zeitgeist Resource Based Economy.

Marxist Communism, Socialism, Fascism and Capitalism all of them have at their elite pyramidal peak the same Central Fiat Fractional Banking Monetary System. All of them. The same Talmudic Bankster Cabal.

[Nitz]

After watching all these video's, especially Stefan's and then Peter's rebuttal, I can say this.

There is definitely more similarity between Marxism and Capitalism
than there is between Marxism and this Zeitgeist Resource Based Economy.

Marxist Communism, Socialism, Fascism and Capitalism all of them have at their elite pyramidal peak the same Central Fiat Fractional Banking Monetary System. All of them. The same Talmudic Bankster Cabal.










agreed...