If the Internet is shut down here like in Egypt what would be the Plan to Com

[BillBoard]

If the Internet is shut down here like in Egypt what would be the Plan to Communicate with each other?!

[DMac]

If the Internet is shut down here like in Egypt what would be the Plan to Communicate with each other?!



I have some walkie talkies ;)

I really wish I got a HAM. Maybe it will become a birthday priority.

[osoab]

If the Internet is shut down here like in Egypt what would be the Plan to Communicate with each other?!


Were you moving to South America?

[MNeagle]

I'd be SOL.

Then deciding whether to bug-in or bug out.

[Dogman]

Other than going back to the old BBS system over phone lines. The only real way for
a group to stay in touch real time. Is to use ham radios, Depending on solar conditions
and geomagnetic conditions, international communications are possible.

And to build back up the old BBS systems today so all members here can connect
would be a job of almost biblical proportions.

[Ares]

They cannot shut down the internet. All they did was shut off the DNS servers. Create a text file of the sites you visit and put in their IP addresses.

let's use gold-silver.us as an example. It's DNS resolves too 64.57.210.240

So you would put it in your web browser like this.

http://64.57.210.240/forum/general-discussion

Hmm gold-silver.us is a bad example apparently. Since it's on a share the dnsing is handled internally by JQP provider apparently.

But it works for other sites.

[Dogman]

They cannot shut down the internet. All they did was shut off the DNS servers. Create a text file of the sites you visit and put in their IP addresses.

let's use gold-silver.us as an example. It's DNS resolves too 64.57.210.240

So you would put it in your web browser like this.

http://64.57.210.240/forum/general-discussion

Hmm gold-silver.us is a bad example apparently. Since it's on a share the dnsing is handled internally by JQP provider apparently.

But it works for other sites.



If your provider flips the switch, you lose!

Edit: Or you can press this button (http://www.turnofftheinternet.com/).

[mamboni]

In populated areas, the wireless routers have overlapping ranges. Would it be possible for software that would allow routers to communicate with eachother independent of the internet infrastructure? If it were, then a virtual "people's internet cell network" could form spontaneously as it were. It might be slow, but it would probably be faster than dial up and certainly better than nothing at all.

[Ares]

If your provider flips the switch, you lose!

That would be the host for gold-silver.us.

But they have no incentive to do so since they would be losing money if they shut the site down.

[Ares]

In populated areas, the wireless routers have overlapping ranges. Would it be possible for software that would allow routers to communicate with eachother independent of the internet infrastructure? If it were, then a virtual "people's internet cell network" could form spontaneously as it were. It might be slow, but it would probably be faster than dial up and certainly better than nothing at all.


Mamboni,

ABSOLUTELY what you are talking about is a wireless bridge. And DD-WRT (a 3rd party developed router firmware) will do just that.

Would still need someone to setup a DNS server to keep track of the IP addressing, but it's doable.

http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/index

[Dogman]

In populated areas, the wireless routers have overlapping ranges. Would it be possible for software that would allow routers to communicate with eachother independent of the internet infrastructure? If it were, then a virtual "people's internet cell network" could form spontaneously as it were. It might be slow, but it would probably be faster than dial up and certainly better than nothing at all.


Doc, You are right , in hi-density living areas people could link together into add hock networks, but city to city across the nation would be the problem, unless one uses microwave links. And that would take major bucks and time. And the ptb if they shut down the net, methinks would not allow that. And the links would be too easy to find and shutdown.

[DMac]

In populated areas, the wireless routers have overlapping ranges. Would it be possible for software that would allow routers to communicate with eachother independent of the internet infrastructure? If it were, then a virtual "people's internet cell network" could form spontaneously as it were. It might be slow, but it would probably be faster than dial up and certainly better than nothing at all.


Not quite like you're thinking Mamboni. All of our ISP connections run through one of several central offices within CONUS. If they want to shut it off, for the most part, they can.

There are possible methods of piggy backing on some of the physical infrastructure. However not enough people are savvy to this sort of thing to accomplish the level we would require.

Some links on this subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darknet_%28file_sharing%29

http://www.darkreading.com/security/encryption/217801293/index.html

http://freenetproject.org/whatis.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend-to-friend

http://www.bearcave.com/misl/misl_tech/msdrm/darknet.htm

http://shareable.net/blog/the-next-net

[Book]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/150/342996815_b465563839.jpg

Me and Mamboni ran our own dedicated fiber optic cable last summer. He told me to keep it a secret.

:D

[mamboni]

Hey Book,

Whatever you do, don't mention fight club. ;)

[MNeagle]

I don't suppose you happened to run it north a bit through Minnesota??

Didn't think so.

Ah well. Back to Plan A.

[Book]

I don't suppose you happened to run it north a bit through Minnesota??



http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/NR/rdonlyres/1EEF2780-B2B6-4EB6-A905-8F77810343C4/0/090208Fiber510.jpg

Sorry, no. I dug the ditch and Mamboni paid for the cable and truck.

http://www.westcity.com/html/shop/shopimages/products/thumbnails/196491.JPG

:D

[Spectrism]

If the internet is taken down, start talking to yourself, laughing at your own jokes and crying when you tell yourself a sad story, but talk in halting slurred and unintelligible sounds. Walk around with your head down and swinging lightly side to side while picking your nose. When you have to look up, have a practiced dumb, empty stare at distant space. When the jack-booted thugs question you, let them see outer space when they look into your eyes.

And then you will be alright.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Does anyone know if there is a piece of software that will read your Bookmarks/favorites and insert the DNS equivalent IP address? Something that will create your own DNS address list?

I'm going to start looking for something like this. I'll post what I find.


Hatha

[MNeagle]

I don't suppose you happened to run it north a bit through Minnesota??




Sorry, no. I dug the ditch and Mamboni paid for the cable and truck.

:D



Well, maybe we in MN can decipher some of your signals enroute cross-country...

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r116/DCONRAD3/Blowing_smoke.gif

[mick silver]

i will use smoke signal is one of the oldest forms of communication in recorded history. It is a form of visual communication used over long distance ... but with all the fires burning it may not work

[Dogman]

I don't suppose you happened to run it north a bit through Minnesota??




Sorry, no. I dug the ditch and Mamboni paid for the cable and truck.

:D






Well, maybe we in MN can decipher some of your signals enroute cross-country...

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r116/DCONRAD3/Blowing_smoke.gif



Got to love it..Thanks Mn


:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

[Book]

Well, maybe we in MN can decipher some of your signals enroute cross-country...



http://s3.hubimg.com/u/328454_f520.jpg

http://www.neatitems.com/images/LED_Keychain_Light_red_on.jpg

Mamboni sends his message using a white light then I answer using a red light. We need to practice our Morse Code...kinda slow so far...this fiber optic stuff is over-rated...

:D

[Book]

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/pigeon-carrier.jpg

I can send you updates MNeagle if you have a USB thumbdrive.

;D

[DMac]

We should petition Antonio to get involved with these folks:

http://www.manta.com/c/mmn1dkm/bronx-homing-pigeon-club

[mamboni]

i will use smoke signal is one of the oldest forms of communication in recorded history. It is a form of visual communication used over long distance ... but with all the fires burning it may not work

[Dogman]

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/pigeon-carrier.jpg

I can send you updates MNeagle if you have a USB thumbdrive.

;D


Used to raise them when a kid, They do work cheep and they do know where home is,
as long as the better half stays home. ;D

[MNeagle]

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/pigeon-carrier.jpg

I can send you updates MNeagle if you have a USB thumbdrive.

;D


You sir, are a pic wizard.... you never cease to amaze me w/ you ultra-fast images... always on topic or better.

[mamboni]

We should petition Antonio to get involved with these folks:

http://www.manta.com/c/mmn1dkm/bronx-homing-pigeon-club



I think that is tantamount to animal cruelty. ;D

[sirgonzo420]

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/pigeon-carrier.jpg

I can send you updates MNeagle if you have a USB thumbdrive.

;D


You sir, are a pic wizard.... you never cease to amaze me w/ you ultra-fast images... always on topic or better.


I bet book has a MASSIVE pornography collection.

[mamboni]

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/pigeon-carrier.jpg

I can send you updates MNeagle if you have a USB thumbdrive.

;D


You sir, are a pic wizard.... you never cease to amaze me w/ you ultra-fast images... always on topic or better.


I bet book has a MASSIVE pornography collection.


Yeah, and he won't share it with me - says it might cause our private cable link to melt. ???

[Antonio]

We should petition Antonio to get involved with these folks:

http://www.manta.com/c/mmn1dkm/bronx-homing-pigeon-club



Antonio is a feline/human hybrid. Whenever I see a pigeon I feel like violently tearing it apart and eating it. The only thing that stops me is knowing what kinda shit they eat here in cities, junk food leftovers etc.

PS. When THEY turn off the net here, nobody will even think about communicating with others, only thinking about their own precious asses.
Antonio/Occam has spoken and this is the truth (you fucking Randians).

[Book]

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/pigeon-carrier.jpg

I can send you updates MNeagle if you have a USB thumbdrive.

;D


You sir, are a pic wizard.... you never cease to amaze me w/ you ultra-fast images... always on topic or better.


I bet book has a MASSIVE pornography collection.


Yeah, and he won't share it with me - says it might cause our private cable link to melt. ???



http://media.bestofmicro.com/dsl-modem-condom,6-M-193342-13.jpg

:D

[sirgonzo420]

Antonio is a feline/human hybrid.


Is this your way of telling us you're a pussy?

:D

[Ash_Williams]

If the internet gets shut down then I'll have more important things to do than find a way to watch chimp-out videos.

[solid]

If the internet gets shut down then I'll have more important things to do than find a way to watch chimp-out videos.


Multiply that with the masses of sheep that need waking up.

Using the ghetto as an analogy, crime and murders always spike up in the summer. Why? because in the winter, people stay in doors more because it's cold. During the summer, they are out in the streets, if you saw the homes they live in you'd understand why. People idling around in the streets because their homes are miserable. More people out and about, and crime skyrockets.

So, this is why they would never shut down the internet or mass media in the country. Millions of folks, without their diversions, restless and angry, hitting the streets. Lot's of guns in the country too.

I think if the internet was shut down in America, we'd almost have instant SHTF. TPTB want folks docile, so they would not remove the internet addiction from them.

[ShortJohnSilver]

Does anyone know if there is a piece of software that will read your Bookmarks/favorites and insert the DNS equivalent IP address? Something that will create your own DNS address list?

I'm going to start looking for something like this. I'll post what I find.


Hatha


Yes, easiest to do if you are on Linux or Mac OSX.

[Cobalt]

http://www.wayneschulz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/tin-can-string1.jpg

[Dogman]

http://www.wayneschulz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/tin-can-string1.jpg


That should work, it was on tv. :o so it must be true!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5WKUrGH5hM



:ROFL:

[Hermie]

If the internet gets shut down then I'll have more important things to do than find a way to watch chimp-out videos.


Multiply that with the masses of sheep that need waking up.

Using the ghetto as an analogy, crime and murders always spike up in the summer. Why? because in the winter, people stay in doors more because it's cold. During the summer, they are out in the streets, if you saw the homes they live in you'd understand why. People idling around in the streets because their homes are miserable. More people out and about, and crime skyrockets.

So, this is why they would never shut down the internet or mass media in the country. Millions of folks, without their diversions, restless and angry, hitting the streets. Lot's of guns in the country too.

I think if the internet was shut down in America, we'd almost have instant SHTF. TPTB want folks docile, so they would not remove the internet addiction from them.


When the rioting started in Egypt the government began showing good movies on television.
Shows how TPTB know that people can be tranquilized by television.
Happening everyday here in the USA, and we get to pay for it too! (Cable bills)

[Gold_Striker]

Egypt's Internet Shutdown Can't Stop Mass Protests http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/01/egypts-internet-shutdown-cant-stop-mass-protests
By Spencer Ackerman - Wired.com

regime responded by ordering the withdrawal of over 3,500 Border Gateway Protocol routes by Egyptian service providers

Fight Club (1999) Tyler Durden: [to the police chief]
We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not... fuck with us.

We the people are in more control more than anyone yet realizes.

[Book]

When the rioting started in Egypt the government began showing good movies on television.
Shows how TPTB know that people can be tranquilized by television.



http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/36000/Black-Simpsons--36390.jpg

We didn't just send Egypt military aid...

:oo-->

[mick silver]

We the people are in more control more than anyone yet realizes.

i like that

[farbog]

These are some really excellent answers. Care to document them in a form that can be downloaded before-hand, and made ready?

http://unkill.wikispaces.com/

Is what I threw together when it came up on Reddit. A Google search found me your excellent thread, and I thought I'd invite you to play.

[sirgonzo420]

Egypt's Internet Shutdown Can't Stop Mass Protests http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/01/egypts-internet-shutdown-cant-stop-mass-protests
By Spencer Ackerman - Wired.com

regime responded by ordering the withdrawal of over 3,500 Border Gateway Protocol routes by Egyptian service providers

Fight Club (1999) Tyler Durden: [to the police chief]
We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not... fuck with us.

We the people are in more control more than anyone yet realizes.





These are some really excellent answers. Care to document them in a form that can be downloaded before-hand, and made ready?

http://unkill.wikispaces.com/

Is what I threw together when it came up on Reddit. A Google search found me your excellent thread, and I thought I'd invite you to play.


And who are you?

LOL

[Book]

I thought I'd invite you to play.


What's the name of your game?

VIRUS

:D

[PatColo]

Heard CNN say there's no internets, cell phone, SMS, the only way to communicate is by LAND LINE PHONE.

think: LAND LINE PHONE TREE. (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-phone-tree.htm)


A phone tree is a network of people organized in such a way that they can quickly and easily spread information amongst each other. Phone trees are especially common among parents, who often want to be able to communicate quickly about canceled events and other issues, and they are also used by activists and a variety of other groups as well. Setting up a solid phone tree takes time, but many people feel that it is well worth the effort, since the phone tree can be used again and again.

One easy to way to visualize a phone tree is as a phone pyramid. One person at the top of the pyramid calls two people, who each call two more people, and so on, until every person in the phone tree has been called. This allows people to distribute information quickly, without placing the burden of work on one person. As you might imagine, there are a number of advantages to setting up a phone tree, not least of which is the ability to distribute information quickly in a crisis.

Generally, a phone tree is organized by a single person, to eliminate confusion. The person organizing the phone tree collects information about all of the individuals who should be included in the phone tree. For example, a small rural school might have a phone tree which could be used to notify people about canceled school days and other events of relevance to the school.

Ideally, the organizer would collect at least two contact numbers for each person, including a contact number with an answering machine or voicemail. Once the list of people is collected, it can be divided up to create an organized phone tree, which is copied and given to all members of the group. Because the people at the top of the phone tree are crucial, it is a good idea to pick the most reliable members of the group for these positions, ensuring that information will be passed on.

The decision to activate a phone tree should not be taken lightly. It can be a good idea to discuss situations in which the phone tree would be activated with the people on the phone tree, to ensure that they know what they are getting into by agreeing to be included. As a general rule, phone trees are used for information which requires rapid action. For example, activists might use a phone tree to alert each other to an important event, or a small town might use a phone tree to notify people to evacuate their homes in the wake of a natural disaster. If the information someone wishes to spread is not time-sensitive, it might be better communicated through notes, casual phone calls, or email.

Setting this up in advance of a crisis would be necessary.

It's complicated in the States by the fact that so many/most have dispensed with their land line phones as redundant to their cell phones and internet/VOIP. My late Pops lived alone in his latter years, and had to keep a land line in addition to the usual cable TV & internet services, because he had that "Life Alert" service where he wore the little emergency button around his neck in case he fell and was immobilized, he pushed the button, service calls his designated contacts, and short of reaching them, an ambulance. You may want to get to know your neighbor who keeps a land line phone... more than one such neighbor, really.

[osoab]

These are some really excellent answers. Care to document them in a form that can be downloaded before-hand, and made ready?

http://unkill.wikispaces.com/

Is what I threw together when it came up on Reddit. A Google search found me your excellent thread, and I thought I'd invite you to play.


You found us on page 6?

[Awoke]

You know what pisses me off?

I remember studying up a little on Shortwave back on GIM. Twisted (Avatar, back then) posted an article where I guy was using a shortwave transmitter/receiver, and car battery, and a laptop with some kind of program to surf the net.

The author claimed that he could be absolutely anywhere and surf the net for free with this setup, but we could never find any more information out about it.

[k-os]

I think if communication was shut down, we could expect the flow of electricity to stop shortly after that.

Meet at your state's capital on the 15th of the month.

[sirgonzo420]

I think if communication was shut down, we could expect the flow of electricity to stop shortly after that.

Meet at your state's capital on the 15th of the month.


How's high noon work for everyone?



I agree with k-os; relying on electric means of communication is folly in a SHTF senario. Face-to-face meet-up is the only way.... although anyone with an internet connection can read this post....

[osoab]

I think if communication was shut down, we could expect the flow of electricity to stop shortly after that.

Meet at your state's capital on the 15th of the month.


I would think that most state capitols would be on lock down under such circumstances. Who would want to be around all the security that would be present anyway?

[k-os]

I think if communication was shut down, we could expect the flow of electricity to stop shortly after that.

Meet at your state's capital on the 15th of the month.


I would think that most state capitols would be on lock down under such circumstances. Who would want to be around all the security that would be present anyway?




That's a good point. I don't have a better idea. :-[

[k-os]

I think if communication was shut down, we could expect the flow of electricity to stop shortly after that.

Meet at your state's capital on the 15th of the month.


How's high noon work for everyone?

I agree with k-os; relying on electric means of communication is folly in a SHTF senario. Face-to-face meet-up is the only way.... although anyone with an internet connection can read this post....


True, but only GSUSers will be able to answer certain questions. ;D

[Dogman]

I think if communication was shut down, we could expect the flow of electricity to stop shortly after that.

Meet at your state's capital on the 15th of the month.


How's high noon work for everyone?

I agree with k-os; relying on electric means of communication is folly in a SHTF senario. Face-to-face meet-up is the only way.... although anyone with an internet connection can read this post....


True, but only GSUSers will be able to answer certain questions. ;D


Someone wear a t shirt with the word "Bombers" printed on the front and back!
And we all would know the rest! ;D

[solid]

True, but only GSUSers will be able to answer certain questions. ;D


We are a pretty small group though. Honestly, if the internet went down and electricity, the last place I'd want to go is the state capital. I plan on avoiding any large gatherings. It would be bug-out time then, or very close at least.

Take away power, communications, and the cities will go insane. My state capital is a pretty darn big city.

[solid]

Someone wear a t shirt with the word "Bombers" printed on the front and back!
And we all would know the rest! ;D


How about Great Value Bombers? ;D No mistaking that! :lol

[osoab]

I think if communication was shut down, we could expect the flow of electricity to stop shortly after that.

Meet at your state's capital on the 15th of the month.


I would think that most state capitols would be on lock down under such circumstances. Who would want to be around all the security that would be present anyway?



That's a good point. I don't have a better idea. :-[


Waste treatment plant was the first thing that came to my mind. No one would purposely go there. :ROFL:

[sirgonzo420]

Someone wear a t shirt with the word "Bombers" printed on the front and back!
And we all would know the rest! ;D


How about Great Value Bombers? ;D No mistaking that! :lol


I think he was refering to the old thread "bombers scannned me", but the "Great Value" meme has really taken off here too.

[solid]

Someone wear a t shirt with the word "Bombers" printed on the front and back!
And we all would know the rest! ;D


How about Great Value Bombers? ;D No mistaking that! :lol


I think he was refering to the old thread "bombers scannned me".


;D I know. Bad joke on my part merging the two. ;)

[sirgonzo420]

Someone wear a t shirt with the word "Bombers" printed on the front and back!
And we all would know the rest! ;D


How about Great Value Bombers? ;D No mistaking that! :lol


I think he was refering to the old thread "bombers scannned me".


;D I know. Bad joke on my part merging the two. ;)


haha, I should've guessed you knew the backstory.


Although I'm not sure wearing a shirt with "BOMBER" on it is a great idea.... perhaps "bomber jackets"? lol

http://sheepskin-fans.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/bomber_jacket.jpg

[BillBoard]

If the Internet is shut down here like in Egypt what would be the Plan to Communicate with each other?!


Were you moving to South America?


Yes. Going through paperwork now.

[mightymanx]

It is simple:

Anyone willing to trade a magazine of ammo for 3 mercury dimes is part of the club.

Durring the night a challange and reply could be used.

"Bommers scanned me"

answer

"great value carrots"

"Welcome ___________"

[osoab]

If the Internet is shut down here like in Egypt what would be the Plan to Communicate with each other?!


Were you moving to South America?


Yes. Going through paperwork now.


So were you looking at communications locally or communications from South America.

Either way, HAM radio is the way to go.

[Antonio]

SHTF in USA is not a survivable situation for the majority of North Americans.
Karma is a bitch.
The only people who can survive SHTF are those whose entire histories are non-stop SHTF.


Think of a noble final exit.

[solid]

SHTF in USA is not a survivable situation for the majority of North Americans.


This is the whole point of this website, to NOT be part of the majority.

By preparing, we all here intend to not be part of that 'noble' final exit. This is why we prep. We all at least have that in common here. :)

[osoab]

SHTF in USA is not a survivable situation for the majority of North Americans.
Karma is a bitch.
The only people who can survive SHTF are those whose entire histories are non-stop SHTF.


Think of a noble final exit.


Immigrant junkie Russians won't get the best welcome in post SHTF. :oo-->

[Antonio]

SHTF in USA is not a survivable situation for the majority of North Americans.


This is the whole point of this website, to NOT be part of the majority.

By preparing, we all here intend to not be part of that 'noble' final exit. This is why we prep. We all at least have that in common here. :)


All my life I`ve prepped for a noble final exit. WTSHTF I`ll trade 50oz of Au for one bullet, two would be heaven cause I could kill one goon b4 going out myself.

[solid]

It is simple:

Anyone willing to trade a magazine of ammo for 3 mercury dimes is part of the club.

Durring the night a challange and reply could be used.

"Bommers scanned me"

answer

"great value carrots"

"Welcome ___________"



LOL...this. ^^

If I ever find myself, post SHTF, with my bug out backpack, and 45-70, walking the high road in the middle of nowhere...and I come across some gun-toting folks I need to identify. I'm going to remember this. "Hey, don't shoot, bombers scanned me!" ;D

[solid]

All my life I`ve prepped for a noble final exit. WTSHTF I`ll trade 50oz of Au for one bullet, two would be heaven cause I could kill one goon b4 going out myself.


Why not stockpile bullets now, when you can get them, and save your 50oz au for the future, afterwards.

The biggest prep investment you can make, is the mentality of never giving up.

[Antonio]

All my life I`ve prepped for a noble final exit. WTSHTF I`ll trade 50oz of Au for one bullet, two would be heaven cause I could kill one goon b4 going out myself.


Why not stockpile bullets now, when you can get them, and save your 50oz au for the future, afterwards.

The biggest prep investment you can make, is the mentality of never giving up.


I`m in NYC, here they outlawed the sale of boxcutters about a week ago.
I agree with you about never giving up.
Always choose life but never at the price of honor.
I ain`t going to no camps, that`s all.
I`m not gonna shoot my neighbors for a piece of bread neither WTSHTF.
There is only one thing that is priceless to me, the ability to face myself in the mirror.
If this ability is seriously threatened, I`m gonna turn the lights off.

[Cobalt]

I'm not going anywhere near the capitol building here, the entitled ones will be massing there complaining that their state issued welfare debit cards don't work as soon as they have looted every store that carries big screen tv's or beer

[solid]

There is only one thing that is priceless to me, the ability to face myself in the mirror.
If this ability is seriously threatened, I`m gonna turn the lights off.


Good post. ;)

Only adjustment would be if they threaten your ability to do that...you turn THEIR lights off, or die trying.

[Antonio]

There is only one thing that is priceless to me, the ability to face myself in the mirror.
If this ability is seriously threatened, I`m gonna turn the lights off.


Good post. ;)

Only adjustment would be if they threaten your ability to do that...you turn THEIR lights off, or die trying.




Excellent adjustment too.
PS.Being Russian I lost half of my family in WW2. I often think of how the last Nazi soldiers fought for every floor of every building in Berlin, especially the Hitlerjugend and how many had to kill themselves...They give me a certain inspiration (even though countless many more Russians also killed themselves and their wounded buddies when surrounded and out of ammo).
I wish I lived in a conservative state and owned a truckload of guns/ammo but the circumstances cannot allow me to move from the faggot sewer that is NYC.

Big liberal cities like NYC will be the worst death traps WTSHTF, that`s why I am sounding a bit suicidal.
I`m totally on your side.

[Book]

There is only one thing that is priceless to me...



http://www.omsj.org/wp-content/uploads/junkie-277x300.jpg

Actions speak louder than words typed at GSUS.

:)

[Antonio]

There is only one thing that is priceless to me...



http://www.omsj.org/wp-content/uploads/junkie-277x300.jpg

Actions speak louder than words typed at GSUS.

:)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Allan_Poe

Edgar Poe died from delirium tremens and opioid withdrawal on the streets of Bodymore,Murderland, probably in his own shit.
PS> Heroin is the most honest substance in the world, honesty in crystal form (only those who use it know what I am talking about).

[mick silver]

I'm not going anywhere near the capitol building here, the entitled ones will be massing there complaining that their state issued welfare debit cards don't work as soon as they have looted every store that carries big screen tv's or beer
i heard you , at that point i am in full bugout mode . leaving my place would be the last thing i would do . to much to lose if i was to leave it

[solid]

I wish I lived in a conservative state and owned a truckload of guns/ammo but the circumstances cannot allow me to move from the faggot sewer that is NYC.

Big liberal cities like NYC will be the worst death traps WTSHTF, that`s why I am sounding a bit suicidal.
I`m totally on your side.


What's keeping you in NYC? You sound trapped, which isn't a healthy way to live. Suicide is for cowards, I doubt any man wants to make his legacy one of that..

I do hear you though, I live in a shitty city as well. The only difference is that I can cut the docklines and bugout quickly. I may walk past pimps and prostitutes on occasion, but I'm behind a locked gate. That gives me some comfort, at least.

You ought to start working towards getting yourself out of there, imo. If you are clean and trying for a new start, the city is no place for that.

You are a bright fellow, and you know what the future is and will be, why not start making changes towards a brighter future for yourself?

[LuckyStrike]

In populated areas, the wireless routers have overlapping ranges. Would it be possible for software that would allow routers to communicate with eachother independent of the internet infrastructure? If it were, then a virtual "people's internet cell network" could form spontaneously as it were. It might be slow, but it would probably be faster than dial up and certainly better than nothing at all.


I can't talk now but yes there are ideas, and projects in the works. I tried to drum up support years ago for meshnet at GIM and my blog

http://www.truthinourtime.com/2009/11/project-skynet.html

Some of those links won't work now, and after the DHS shut down partyvan, a lot of skynet info was lost. I believe this is the new wiki for Project Skynet

http://insurgen.cc/index.php?title=Project_Skynet

[Antonio]

I wish I lived in a conservative state and owned a truckload of guns/ammo but the circumstances cannot allow me to move from the faggot sewer that is NYC.

Big liberal cities like NYC will be the worst death traps WTSHTF, that`s why I am sounding a bit suicidal.
I`m totally on your side.


What's keeping you in NYC? You sound trapped, which isn't a healthy way to live. Suicide is for cowards, I doubt any man wants to make his legacy one of that..

I do hear you though, I live in a shitty city as well. The only difference is that I can cut the docklines and bugout quickly. I may walk past pimps and prostitutes on occasion, but I'm behind a locked gate. That gives me some comfort, at least.

You ought to start working towards getting yourself out of there, imo. If you are clean and trying for a new start, the city is no place for that.

You are a bright fellow, and you know what the future is and will be, why not start making changes towards a brighter future for yourself?


I own a co-op here and now it`s nearly impossible to find a job in the art field outside of NYC. I`ve no money except for bare survival (blew all my savings and more on drugs). I can`t dig into my PMs in order to move out. I`m stuck with fags and artsy pimps.

[Ponce]

And why do you think that the phone, tv, cell phone, and now even the readio are now in a digital format?, they can close down EVERYTHING at will or to a selected group of people (like us here) or to individuals (like me).

[solid]

I own a co-op here and now it`s nearly impossible to find a job in the art field outside of NYC. I`ve no money except for bare survival (blew all my savings and more on drugs). I can`t dig into my PMs in order to move out. I`m stuck with fags and artsy pimps.


Why can't you dig into your PMs to build a better future? That's what PMs are for, to use to rebuild with. If you need to rebuild now, use them now...or some of them.

You aren't stuck, you just think you are. There's always a way to better a situation, always. If you give up looking, then you are stuck. To fall victim to the 'trapped' mentality. That's what the sheep do, you are too sharp for that.

I'm sending good vibes your way hoping you realize your potential.

[LuckyStrike]

I own a co-op here and now it`s nearly impossible to find a job in the art field outside of NYC. I`ve no money except for bare survival (blew all my savings and more on drugs). I can`t dig into my PMs in order to move out. I`m stuck with fags and artsy pimps.


Why can't you dig into your PMs to build a better future? That's what PMs are for, to use to rebuild with. If you need to rebuild now, use them now...or some of them.

You aren't stuck, you just think you are. There's always a way to better a situation, always. If you give up looking, then you are stuck. To fall victim to the 'trapped' mentality. That's what the sheep do, you are too sharp for that.

I'm sending good vibes your way hoping you realize your potential.


Just out of curiosity why do you even engage the troll?

[solid]

Just out of curiosity why do you even engage the troll?


I don't think he's a troll.

[hoarder]

But they have no incentive to do so since they would be losing money if they shut the site down.
The mass media tribe OWNS most of the ISP's, it has nothing to do with profit.

[LuckyStrike]

But they have no incentive to do so since they would be losing money if they shut the site down.
The mass media tribe OWNS most of the ISP's, it has nothing to do with profit.


Exactly, when you have literally all the money in the world you use it on power. As recent history has shown, if their companies lose money, their buddies at the fed print and distribute on OUR backs.

[MAGNES]

If the Internet is shut down here like in Egypt what would be the Plan to Communicate with each other?!


Why would you want to at that point ?

I'm all for keeping various comm lines open to world,
but for keeping this forum and connections going ?

Everyone is on their own. Spread knowledge on your own if you can.

Even if we shut down , go to other forums, contribute . It works.

If the net is shut down something serious will be happening,
get out of the cities breaking down, you should be ready already,
with a plan.

Be very careful as well, make sure you don't meet the bad trolls,
they will rob you and enjoy doing it, they hate us.

Lookout for mayhem.

[mick silver]

magnes i have said this many many times . if you dont have a plan to leave a big city you are looking for the worst . that why i bought land years ago . two years ago i move to my place and it been none stop getting stuff ready . i buy tools when i see them at yards sales , actions . you name . then there the big stuff tractors an the stuff that go with it . if things go bad i just hope all my family can make it , that the plan anyway.

[vacuum]

Question: How much does it cost to make a 10 mile microwave link capable of 100+ Mbps?

Answer: About $160.
http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=NB-5G22&eq=&Tp=

[Sparky]

I think if communication was shut down, we could expect the flow of electricity to stop shortly after that.

Meet at your state's capital on the 15th of the month.


I would think that most state capitols would be on lock down under such circumstances. Who would want to be around all the security that would be present anyway?




That's a good point. I don't have a better idea. :-[


This is a point that has been brought up before, so let me try to address it.

The appeal of the state capitol building is that every state has one, so most of us are within a reasonable drive, or even walking distance if necessary. Picking one date in the middle of the month means we are always within 30 days of an opportunity.

As for the notion of a lock-down or security, etc...

I could see some type of lockdown in Washington, because of its national visibility, and the logistics of locking it down are attainable with national resources. In contrast, most capitol buildings are reasonably close to residential or commercial areas. They would be logistically difficult to "shut down". And they are much less likely to be considered "targets", requiring a shutdown. Furthermore, because they are in residential and commercial areas, any lock down would have to be confined to a relatively small perimeter. Even in the event of a lockdown, the perimeter would be small enough for GSUSers to roam around and find one another, if they are looking for one another.

As for the GSUSer becoming some type of security threat that would be targeted in some way... My guess is that in such a situation, there will be lots of people wandering around, so there's no reason you'd be a target unless you were trying to be conspicuous. After all, there's no conspiracy being planned here. This is just a way for like-minded people to get back in touch. There's no plot. There's no threat. Why would there be a need for such paranoia? Now, if there's a freakin' riot already going on at the time, you'd stay out of it and wait until the next month.

As for someone reading this, so what? As I said, there's no plotting or scheming here. This is simply a way for people to get back in touch if electronic media are removed. Maybe to help one another in time of need, or simply to commiserate, or just have some companionship of like mind.

Having said that, the next requirement would be for inter-state interaction once there's been an opportunity to meet at the state level. Any suggestions on how to organize that?

[Book]

Having said that, the next requirement would be for inter-state interaction once there's been an opportunity to meet at the state level. Any suggestions on how to organize that?



K-os already has our addresses and is gonna just pick us up in the Mystery Tourmobile wtshtf. You got that memo right?

|--0--|

[Sparky]

Having said that, the next requirement would be for inter-state interaction once there's been an opportunity to meet at the state level. Any suggestions on how to organize that?



K-os already has our addresses and is gonna just pick us up in the Mystery Tourmobile wtshtf. You got that memo right?

|--0--|




Excellent! Problem solved!

(We'll have to chip in for gas when TSHTF and it's $100/gallon...)

[k-os]

Having said that, the next requirement would be for inter-state interaction once there's been an opportunity to meet at the state level. Any suggestions on how to organize that?



K-os already has our addresses and is gonna just pick us up in the Mystery Tourmobile wtshtf. You got that memo right?

|--0--|




Excellent! Problem solved!

(We'll have to chip in for gas when TSHTF and it's $100/gallon...)


Annie only sleeps 6 comfortably. Register today!

[Twisted Titan]

I own a co-op here and now it`s nearly impossible to find a job in the art field outside of NYC. I`ve no money except for bare survival (blew all my savings and more on drugs). I can`t dig into my PMs in order to move out. I`m stuck with fags and artsy pimps.


Why can't you dig into your PMs to build a better future? That's what PMs are for, to use to rebuild with. If you need to rebuild now, use them now...or some of them.

You aren't stuck, you just think you are. There's always a way to better a situation, always. If you give up looking, then you are stuck. To fall victim to the 'trapped' mentality. That's what the sheep do, you are too sharp for that.

I'm sending good vibes your way hoping you realize your potential.


Just out of curiosity why do you even engage the troll?


Is Ant a Bit sharp around The Edges?

Absolutely.

But if nothing else you got to respect the fact that he defends his views with a passion that you dont see to often.


Defenately makes this Asylum a tad bit more lively then it already is

[crazychicken]

Good one!

CC



http://farm1.static.flickr.com/150/342996815_b465563839.jpg

Me and Mamboni ran our own dedicated fiber optic cable last summer. He told me to keep it a secret.

:D

[crazychicken]

Right on!

CC






I'm not going anywhere near the capitol building here, the entitled ones will be massing there complaining that their state issued welfare debit cards don't work as soon as they have looted every store that carries big screen tv's or beer
i heard you , at that point i am in full bugout mode . leaving my place would be the last thing i would do . to much to lose if i was to leave it

[sunshine05]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/218155/get_internet_access_when_your_government_shuts_it_ down.html

Get Internet Access When Your Government Shuts It Down

By Patrick Miller, David Daw, PCWorld Jan 28, 2011 3:50 PM

These days, no popular movement goes without an Internet presence of some kind, whether it's organizing on Facebook or spreading the word through Twitter. And as we've seen in Egypt, that means that your Internet connection can be the first to go. Whether you're trying to check in with your family, contact your friends, or simply spread the word, here are a few ways to build some basic network connectivity when you can't rely on your cellular or landline Internet connections.
Do-It-Yourself Internet With Ad-Hoc Wi-Fi

Even if you've managed to find an Internet connection for yourself, it won't be that helpful in reaching out to your fellow locals if they can't get online to find you. If you're trying to coordinate a group of people in your area and can't rely on an Internet connection, cell phones, or SMS, your best bet could be a wireless mesh network of sorts--essentially, a distributed network of wireless networking devices that can all find each other and communicate with each other. Even if none of those devices have a working Internet connection, they can still find each other, which, if your network covers the city you're in, might be all you need. At the moment, wireless mesh networking isn't really anywhere close to market-ready, though we have seen an implementation of the 802.11s draft standard, which extends the 802.11 Wi-Fi standard to include wireless mesh networking, in the One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) XO laptop.

However, a prepared guerrilla networker with a handful of PCs could make good use of Daihinia ($25, 30-day free trial), an app that piggybacks on your Wi-Fi adapter driver to turn your normal ad-hoc Wi-Fi network into a multihop ad-hoc network (disclaimer: we haven't tried this ourselves yet), meaning that instead of requiring each device on the network to be within range of the original access point, you simply need to be within range of a device on the network that has Daihinia installed, effectively allowing you to add a wireless mesh layer to your ad-hoc network.

Advanced freedom fighters can set up a portal Web page on their network that explains the way the setup works, with Daihinia instructions and a local download link so they can spread the network even further. Lastly, just add a Bonjour-compatible chat client like Pidgin or iChat, and you'll be able to talk to your neighbors across the city without needing an Internet connection.
Back to Basics

Remember when you stashed your old modems in the closet because you thought you might need them some day? In the event of a total communications blackout--as we're seeing in Egypt, for example--you'll be glad you did. Older and simpler tools, like dial-up Internet or even ham radio, could still work, since these "abandoned" tech avenues aren't being policed nearly as hard.

In order to get around the total shutdown of all of the ISPs within Egypt, several international ISPs are offering dial-up access to the Internet to get protesters online, since phone service is still operational. It's slow, but it still works--the hard part is getting the access numbers without an Internet connection to find them.

Unfortunately, such dial-up numbers can also be fairly easily shut down by the Egyptian government, so you could also try returning to FidoNet--a distributed networking system for BBSes that was popular in the 1980s. FidoNet is limited to sending only simple text messages, and it's slow, but it has two virtues: Users connect asynchronously, so the network traffic is harder to track, and any user can act as the server, which means that even if the government shuts down one number in the network, another one can quickly pop up to take its place.

You could also take inspiration from groups that are working to create an ad-hoc communications network into and out of Egypt using Ham Radio, since the signals are rarely tracked and extremely hard to shut down or block. Most of these efforts are still getting off the ground, but hackers are already cobbling together ways to make it a viable form of communication into and out of the country.
Always Be Prepared

In the land of no Internet connection, the man with dial-up is king. Here are a few gadgets that you could use to prepare for the day they cut the lines.

Given enough time and preparation, your ham radio networks could even be adapted into your own ad-hoc network using Packet Radio, a radio communications protocol that you can use to create simple long-distance wireless networks to transfer text and other messages between computers. Packet Radio is rather slow and not particularly popular (don't try to stream any videos with this, now), but it's exactly the kind of networking device that would fly under the radar.

In response to the crisis in Egypt, nerds everywhere have risen to call for new and exciting tools for use in the next government-mandated shutdown. Bre Pettis, founder of the hackerspace NYC Resistor and creator of the Makerbot 3D printer, has called for "Apps for the Appocalypse," including a quick and easy way to set up chats on a local network so you can talk with your friends and neighbors in an emergency even without access to the Internet. If his comments are any indication, Appocalypse apps may be headed your way soon.

Tons of cool tech are also just waiting to be retrofitted for these purposes. David Dart's Pirate Box is a one-step local network in a box originally conceived for file sharing and local P2P purposes, but it wouldn't take much work to adapt the Pirate Box as a local networking tool able to communicate with other pirate boxes to form a compact, mobile set of local networks in the event of an Internet shutdown.

Whether you're in Egypt or Eagle Rock, you rely on your Internet access to stay in touch with friends and family, get your news, and find information you need. (And read PCWorld, of course.) Hopefully with these apps, tools, and techniques, you won't have to worry about anyone--even your government--keeping you from doing just that.

[gunDriller]

If the Internet is shut down here like in Egypt what would be the Plan to Communicate with each other?!


* resurrect old-fashioned dial-up bulletin boards, maybe using cell-phones.

can't keep a good geek down - there's almost always a way to do an end-run around The Authorities. the trick is sharing the tech with the less-geeky folks so everyone can participate.

[RJB]

If it gets that bad, none of us here will matter to you. This forum chat is no better than talking to ghosts or voices in your head. If electronic communication is cutoff the only people who matter are those who can walk to your house or drive if they can afford gas and get around roadblocks.

Know and love your family, friends, and neighbors. Join the Vol fire dept, CERTS etc. Get to know the people around you. In SHTF the people behind the avatars on this forum will be no more real to you than the avatars of mythology.

[sunshine05]

If it gets that bad, none of us here will matter to you. This forum chat is no better than talking to ghosts or voices in your head. If electronic communication is cutoff the only people who matter are those who can walk to your house or drive if they can afford gas and get around roadblocks.

Know and love your family, friends, and neighbors. Join the Vol fire dept, CERTS etc. Get to know the people around you. In SHTF the people behind the avatars on this forum will be no more real to you than the avatars of mythology.




Right. But it still would be nice to be able to communicate, if nothing else to find out what is going on across the country and the rest of the world. Now is the time to figure out a way to do that.

[Sparky]

If it gets that bad, none of us here will matter to you. This forum chat is no better than talking to ghosts or voices in your head. If electronic communication is cutoff the only people who matter are those who can walk to your house or drive if they can afford gas and get around roadblocks.

Know and love your family, friends, and neighbors. Join the Vol fire dept, CERTS etc. Get to know the people around you. In SHTF the people behind the avatars on this forum will be no more real to you than the avatars of mythology.




Nobody is claiming that this is a replacement for that.

However, you've bothered to spend your time writing a thousand posts, and reading thousands more, with much discussion of TSHTF. If it were to actually happen, you're saying it would no longer worth your while to maintain this exchange of thoughts with like-minded people? Why is that? Once you've protected your own interests, and are warm and fed, then what? Why is gathering there then any less valuable or entertaining than gathering here now?

[LuckyStrike]

If it gets to the point where they shut down the internet I think they would be doing so in concert with rounding up dissenters. I would consider a shut down of the internet to be the signal to hunker down/bugout depending on the scenario.


Until that time though I think meshnet/project skynet would be a great use of ones spare time. If you could have city and or county wide uninterrupted uncontrolled communications it could end up paying in spades.

[RJB]

Nobody is claiming that this is a replacement for that.

However, you've bothered to spend your time writing a thousand posts, and reading thousands more, with much discussion of TSHTF. If it were to actually happen, you're saying it would no longer worth your while to maintain this exchange of thoughts with like-minded people? Why is that? Once you've protected your own interests, and are warm and fed, then what? Why is gathering there then any less valuable or entertaining than gathering here now?
Actually SHTF would be a great time to break my stupid addiction to the blasted internet. LOL.

As for like minded people, I guess I was in one of my darker moods this morning. I read the thread with people accusing others of being secret shills, keyboard commandos etc...

Tonight, I've gone back to being an old softie. I'll miss all you freaks ;D

[Antonio]

Actually SHTF would be a great time to break my stupid addiction to the blasted internet. LOL.



New definition of SHTF: " Internet Methadone Maintainance Program."

[Antonio]

Actually SHTF would be a great time to break my stupid addiction to the blasted internet. LOL.



New definition of SHTF: " Internet Methadone Maintainance Program."


I`m in bad need of this myself.
PS. I`m in a pessimistic mood today, feel like we are fucked no matter what.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en1qw9xnwJ4

[Book]

I`m in a pessimistic mood today, feel like we are fucked no matter what.



Can't imagine why heroin withdrawal would do that.

:dunno

[Antonio]

I`m in a pessimistic mood today, feel like we are fucked no matter what.



Can't imagine why heroin withdrawal would do that.

:dunno




Coke would do this too:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahbpzmir-k0&feature=fvw

[vacuum]

Just curious - are those with satellite connections shut down too?

[hoarder]

If it gets that bad, none of us here will matter to you. It will matter more then than now. As hard as it is to figure out what's going on, it will be much harder without a hundred GSUSers to help us figure it out, analyze the state of the herd, discuss how to adapt and how to resist.
A few days without the net and no one but your clueless teevee addled relatives and neighbors to talk to about it and you'll see what I mean.

[Horn]

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/jdi/lowres/jdin333l.jpg

[MNeagle]

If it gets that bad, none of us here will matter to you. It will matter more then than now. As hard as it is to figure out what's going on, it will be much harder without a hundred GSUSers to help us figure it out, analyze the state of the herd, discuss how to adapt and how to resist.
A few days without the net and no one but your clueless teevee addled relatives and neighbors to talk to about it and you'll see what I mean.


A few days?? Heck I can achieve that in a few hours over a holiday meal!

[Awoke]

I think the T-shirts should just say "Carrots scannned me"

Maybe on the back it can say "Dick stapper"

[PatColo]

might be repost, haven't kept up with the thread &gotta run,

Lesson 1
Short Wave Internet Replacement (http://www.zetatalk.com/nonproft/radio/l1intro.htm)

[Horn]

might be repost, haven't kept up with the thread &gotta run,

Skywriting lessons?