WARNING, WARNING...........READ THIS.

[Ponce]

Posted 30 January 2011 - 08:54 AM

U.S DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY HAS TOLD BANKS - IN WRITING - IT MAY INSPECT SAFE DEPOSIT BOXES WITHOUT WARRANT AND SIEZE ANY GOLD, SILVER, GUNS OR OTHER VALUABLES IT FINDS INSIDE THOSE BOXES!

According to in-house memos now circulating, the DHS has issued orders to banks across America which announce to them that "under the Patriot Act" the DHS has the absolute right to seize, without any warrant whatsoever, any and all customer bank accounts, to make "periodic and unannounced" visits to any bank to open and inspect the contents of "selected safe deposit boxes."

Further, the DHS "shall, at the discretion of the agent supervising the search, remove, photograph or seize as evidence" any of the following items "bar gold, gold coins, firearms of any kind unless manufactured prior to 1878, documents such as passports or foreign bank account records, pornography or any material that, in the opinion of the agent, shall be deemed of to be of a contraband nature."

DHS memos also state that banks are informed that any bank employee, on any level, that releases "improper" "classified DHS Security information" to any member of the public, to include the customers whose boxes have been clandestinely opened and inspected and "any other party, to include members of the media" and further "that the posting of any such information on the internet will be grounds for the immediate termination of the said employee or employees and their prosecution under the Patriot Act." Safety deposit box holders and depositors are not given advanced notice when failed banks shut their doors.

If people have their emergency money in a safe deposit box or an account in a bank that closes, they will not be allowed into the bank to get it out. They can knock on the door and beg to get in but the sheriff’s department or whoever is handling the closure will simply say “no” because they are just following orders.

Deposit box and account holders are not warned of the hazards of banking when they sign up. It is not until they need to get their cash or valuables out in a hurry that they find themselves in trouble.

Rules governing access to safe deposit boxes and money held in accounts are written into the charter of each bank. The charter is the statement of policy under which the bank is allowed by the government to do business. These rules are subject to change at any time by faceless bureaucrats who are answerable to no one. They can be changed without notice, without the agreement of the people, and against their will. People can complain but no one will care because this is small potatoes compared to the complaints that will be voiced when the executive order that governs national emergencies is enforced.

That order allows the suspension of habeas corpus and all rights guaranteed under the Bill of Rights.

A look at the fine print of the contract signed when a safety deposit box is opened reveals that in essence the signer has given to the bank whatever property he has put into that deposit box. When times are good people will be allowed open access to their safe deposit box and the property that is in it. This also applies to their bank accounts.

But when times get really bad, many may find that the funds they have placed on deposit and the property they thought was secured in the safe deposit box now belong to the bank, not to them. Although this was probably not explained to them when they signed their signature card, this is what they were agreeing to.

During the Great Depression in the early 1930’s people thought that many banks were going to fail. They were afraid they would lose their money so they went in mass to take it out, in what is known as a run on the banks. The government closed the banks to protect them from angry depositors who wanted their money back. Throughout history, governments have acted to protect the interests of banks and the wealthy people who own them, not the interests of depositors or box holders.

In a time of emergency, people will have no recourse if access to their safe deposit box and bank accounts is denied. If they are keeping money in a bank that would be needed in an emergency or in a time when credit is no longer free flowing, they may not be able to get it out of the bank. The emergency may occur at night or on a weekend or holiday when the bank is closed.

The solution is to take emergency cash or valuables out of the safe deposit box or bank account and secure them somewhere else, like in a home safe. An even better idea may be to close the safe deposit box account completely, letting someone else entertain the illusion of safety.
Americans have learned a few things since the Great Depression. They now have the FDIC to liquidate any failed banks.

The FDIC promises to set up a series of dates and times when safe deposit box renters can access their boxes by appointment to remove their property and surrender their keys. The FDIC also promises to mail bank customers an announcement of the dates for such events and include a question and answer page that addresses safe deposit box access.

The people have the FDIC to give them back the money they had on deposit that they were unable to get out of any failed bank that carries FDIC insurance. Sheila Bair, head of the FDIC, promises that depositor`s money will be available in 24 hours or less. But people should remember that the FDIC is just another bureaucracy, and it`s probably best not to rely on a bureaucracy in an emergency.



THE SAME HOLDS TRUE FOR STORAGE FACILITIES

DON'T PUT ANYTHING VALUABLE AND/OR NON-REPLACEABLE IN ANY BANK OR STORAGE FACILITY




Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/52464-do-not-use-safety-deposit-boxes/?s=ffaabfaa0c80df46fd296d07c23220d7#ixzz1CrPvKiIx

[mamboni]

I'm hesitant to pass this along without corroboration. Personally, I believe it is true and have acted accordingly. The US government will not be bound by any law or rules when it is fighting for it's very own survival. Safe Deposit boxes are a joke and an invitation to get ripped off by the government.

Caveat Emptor!

[BabushkaLady]

I thought EVERYONE knew this! ;D

I heard; "If you don't hold it . . . ." hahahahahaha

[Ponce]

LOL Lady.........but.........I read that a few of them here do have a "bank box"

[joe_momma]

I'm with Mamboni - I'd like to see corroboration - two bits sound "fishy"

1) Warrantless entry - DHS may be given the right to abrogate the 4th amendment (Unreasonable Search and Seizure) but it certainly was not written to enable fishing expeditions

2) Forbidding notification of the safe deposit holder that entry occurred - I suppose, again, under narrow circumstance (ongoing criminal investigation - and the "ticking time bomb" scenario) - but not as a carte blanche.

Odd that the protestors, who were up in arms when Bush was in power, seem to be terribly quite these days.

[solid]

I am not surprised if this happens, actually. The patriot act flushed our constitution down the toilet, anyone who keeps their valuables in a bank may learn a harsh lesson in the future.

[Hatha Sunahara]

People keep their PMs in Bank Safety Deposit Boxes because they think it is safe from criminals. Hahahahahahaha!



Hatha

[Libertytree]

I am not surprised if this happens, actually. The patriot act flushed our constitution down the toilet, anyone who keeps their valuables in a bank may will learn a harsh lesson in the future.


Just a little amendment.

[Ash_Williams]

A less-detailed version of the same story, still involving secret memos, was on the old GIM about 4 years ago.

Not that I'd keep my gold or guns or porno in a safe deposit box anyway.

[Book]

http://www.fordycebank.com/images/bank_teller170.jpg

They gotta drill the locks without the customer key.

You think those ten-dollar-per-hour bank tellers wouldn't tell their husband and relatives and friends and neighbors if this was going on?

You think your neighbor would keep quiet if his box was robbed in broad daylight?

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[ximmy]

http://www.fordycebank.com/images/bank_teller170.jpg

They gotta drill the locks without the customer key.

You think those ten-dollar-per-hour bank tellers wouldn't tell their husband and relatives and friends and neighbors if this was going on?

You think your neighbor would keep quiet if his box was robbed in broad daylight?

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If that were to happen, anybody who came to empty their box would be suspect & subject to search... and yeah, if they can enter your home without so much as an apology, they will enter your box...

[Ponce]

The reason that I posted this thread is that as the old saying goes "Where there is smoke there is a fire", the way that the government operates is to "let go" of some kind of info to get the people used to the idea of what is to come.................as the state of Israel does, they will tell the press "Presidnt Obama is going to lend us 10 billions dollars" and Obama knows nothing of this, and it opens the doors for what the Zionist wants for Obama to do.

[EE_]

no corroboration needed

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[Bullion_Bob]

Martial law would have to be declared first.

As if they're just going to start drilling out, and raping everyone savings boxes for no apparent reason.

laughable

[General of Darkness]

Martial law would have to be declared first.

As if they're just going to start drilling out, and raping everyone savings boxes for no apparent reason.

laughable




I thought we've been under martial law since WWII and it was never recinded.

[MAGNES]

1) Warrantless entry - DHS may be given the right to abrogate the 4th amendment (Unreasonable Search and Seizure) but it certainly was not written to enable fishing expeditions

2) Forbidding notification of the safe deposit holder that entry occurred - I suppose, again, under narrow circumstance (ongoing criminal investigation - and the "ticking time bomb" scenario) - but not as a carte blanche.



You obviously missed a lot because this is all they have been doing.

Patriot Act is a scam and nothing but freedom erosion targeting law abiding citizens.

As you can see old school gimers are not surprised here, this OP is not news.

For the record Skyvike openly posted on more than one occasion in favor of Patriot Act.

Recently the FBI controlled by DHS Chertoff clowns is going around taking names of law a
abiding citizens protesting, of bloggers, shutting down websites even, this has happened.

GD on here could be much better, good info gets pushed down,
no encouraging for good posters, we need to get back to basics.

[osoab]

http://www.fordycebank.com/images/bank_teller170.jpg

They gotta drill the locks without the customer key.

You think those ten-dollar-per-hour bank tellers wouldn't tell their husband and relatives and friends and neighbors if this was going on?

You think your neighbor would keep quiet if his box was robbed in broad daylight?

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A few may speak up, but I would bet that all of them would be threatened with prosecution if they open their pieholes. The possibility of losing their job would be enough of a reason for 90% to zip their mouths.

[General of Darkness]

Off topic. Hey Ponce I just made you a new avatar.

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[Bullion_Bob]

Martial law would have to be declared first.

As if they're just going to start drilling out, and raping everyone savings boxes for no apparent reason.

laughable




I thought we've been under martial law since WWII and it was never recinded.


Quite possibly, but they'll at least need to reiterate via a new statement at the very least. Plus they're would be military vehicles already in the streets.

The thought of any group of individuals universally raping all the banks ("legally" in broad daylight with the bank manager present mind you) like common crooks (at this point) is about is fringe as it gets.

In the future perhaps. It's about as radical as it gets.

[ShortJohnSilver]

Martial law would have to be declared first.

As if they're just going to start drilling out, and raping everyone savings boxes for no apparent reason.

laughable




Yes, just like they declared martial law in Britain before mass-opening some 6000+ SDBs ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1222777/The-raid-rocked-Met-Why-gun-drugs-op-6-717-safety-deposit-boxes-cost-taxpayer-fortune.html

[Bullion_Bob]

Martial law would have to be declared first.

As if they're just going to start drilling out, and raping everyone savings boxes for no apparent reason.

laughable




Yes, just like they declared martial law in Britain before mass-opening some 6000+ SDBs ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1222777/The-raid-rocked-Met-Why-gun-drugs-op-6-717-safety-deposit-boxes-cost-taxpayer-fortune.html


That's one location though. A nation wide event, or a few locations in a row, would trigger chaos.

[Book]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/21/article-1221941-06CB5CA1000005DC-269_306x391.jpg

No way they can do it unnoticed.

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[MAGNES]

Yes, just like they declared martial law in Britain before mass-opening some 6000+ SDBs ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1222777/The-raid-rocked-Met-Why-gun-drugs-op-6-717-safety-deposit-boxes-cost-taxpayer-fortune.html


Good memory, I remember that, I also remember lots of other posts going way back.
With Patriot Act they can do anything and have. They caught ZERO terrorists.
Don't be surprised if they use it as a threat, to send a message, visit a website admin,
get info, scare him indirectly, FBI is basically doing this right now, it has made the news.
It is a threat.

[Book]

That's one location though. A nation wide event, or a few locations in a row, would trigger chaos.



Exactly. The OP is hyperbole.

[mamboni]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/21/article-1221941-06CB5CA1000005DC-269_306x391.jpg

No way they can do it unnoticed.

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You don't think there have been numerous bank robberies where safe deposit boxes were violated? How would you know if these weren't reported? You know for an absolute fact that the bank needs your key to open the box because there is no copy extant? When the bank seals your box indefinitely for 'National Security Reasons' who are you going to appeal to for help, Janet Napolitano, Eric Holder, your local judge or sheriff?

[Libertytree]

It makes no difference if it's a small number of intrusions or a nation wide event, tyranny is tyranny.

If you have the power of law and the fire power of weapons you do whatever you want to until a superior, more determined force stands in the way.

[Twisted Titan]

Rule of thumb

ANYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO GET TO IN EVENT OF A EMERGENCY DO NOT PLACE IN A SAFETY DEPOSIT BOX.

SBD's ARE THERE TO SECURE NON ESSENTIAL ITEMS.


T

[Book]

You know for an absolute fact...?



Playing the desperate absolutist card buddy? The OP is hyperbole. We already know to not keep our PMs in the bank for various other logical reasons.

:D

[Book]

It makes no difference if it's a small number of intrusions or a nation wide event...



http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/108/l_daf8731c1684d5954f15fc0961660e3d.jpg
One Nut

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National Zombie Invasion

It makes all the difference in the world. One nut is not a national zombie invasion. Let's try and keep things in perspective kids.

:D

[ximmy]

You know for an absolute fact...?



Playing the desperate absolutist card buddy? The OP is hyperbole. We already know to not keep our PMs in the bank for various other logical reasons.

:D


Actually, there are about two reasons not to have them there.. they may not be accessible (bank closure) and they could be seized, (big brother).

[Bullion_Bob]

In any event, it's all a gigantic cluster fuck at this point. That's what you get when you let foreign parasites in, and allow them to run loose at the controls.

No matter what the govt tries to do now, it will have the opposite effect, and backfire in their faces.

The gig is up.

[Ponce]

Off topic. Hey Ponce I just made you a new avatar.

http://i.picasion.com/pic38/a162a9179f728dcc18ffaa1c2208fb11.gif


Hey General? anyway that can capture that picture and reposted as my avatar so that I can see it again?, is not is ok, as long as the world can see it ;D

[General of Darkness]

Off topic. Hey Ponce I just made you a new avatar.

http://i.picasion.com/pic38/a162a9179f728dcc18ffaa1c2208fb11.gif


Hey General? anyway that can capture that picture and reposted as my avatar so that I can see it again?, is not is ok, as long as the world can see it ;D


Yup, just use this link.

http://i.picasion.com/pic38/a162a9179f728dcc18ffaa1c2208fb11.gif

[Ponce]

I don't want those freaking "Jews" in my avatar, only my flag......thanks.

[mamboni]

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[Ponce]

The only way to stay ahead of the game is to think ahead of the game.......play the game (as I do) of "What would happen if"......

[Libertytree]

Of course it's a what if/common sense exercise but that's common knowledge here, NOT your special freakin' secret. "WARNING, WARNING, WARNING Will Robinson!!" WTF kind of header for an OP is that? So, this deserves a "WARNING"? I thought there were troops on your front porch demanding TP.

[madfranks]

You know for an absolute fact that the bank needs your key to open the box because there is no copy extant?


I used to have a safety deposit box, and it required two keys to open, one that the bank held and the other only I had a copy of (I remember when they gave it to me they were very adamant that I don't lose this key, because "the box won't open without it and you'll be responsible for drilling fees to open the box"). Then one day I walked in to visit my box and they had changed the locks on it and forgot to tell me about it. Unless they drilled it out, I wonder how they changed the locks on it when only I had the key required to get in? Regardless, after knowing my box had been opened without my knowledge, I emptied it out as soon as I could and never looked back.

[Serpo]

Thats why they are called a SAFE DEPOSIT BOX.........its only safe to deposit something................................

Otherwise they would be called SAFE WITHDRAWAL BOX...... ;D

[mick silver]

i will be going to the bank today to get a safe deposit box . and fill it with new pennys

[ShortJohnSilver]

They will get you for unsafe storage of zinc!

[Quad]

Other than copies of wills and insurance policies, they only thing I’d be tempted to place in any bank’s “safe deposit” box would be a few massively encrypted USB flash drives filled with heavily encoded gibberish.

On the other hand, with the DHS and IRS being the easily offended bores that they are, they'd no doubt lie, and say it contained 100 gigs of child pornography, and arrest me anyway.

Do modern strip mall and supermarket banks even have safe deposit boxes? The very phrase is redolent of bygone eras.

[Book]

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http://www.pixelsandpills.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Rich-Doctor.jpg
"I don't have a bank security box. I keep all my gold and silver at home"

Nice public internet invitation for a home invasion robbery at Casa del Mamboni.

:o

[Twisted Titan]

You know for an absolute fact that the bank needs your key to open the box because there is no copy extant?


I used to have a safety deposit box, and it required two keys to open, one that the bank held and the other only I had a copy of (I remember when they gave it to me they were very adamant that I don't lose this key, because "the box won't open without it and you'll be responsible for drilling fees to open the box"). Then one day I walked in to visit my box and they had changed the locks on it and forgot to tell me about it. Unless they drilled it out, I wonder how they changed the locks on it when only I had the key required to get in? Regardless, after knowing my box had been opened without my knowledge, I emptied it out as soon as I could and never looked back.



Be glad you found out you can NEVER trust what any company selling you a service to be the truth.

I wonder if they wanted you to fill out a exit questionare.

[mamboni]

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http://www.pixelsandpills.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Rich-Doctor.jpg
"I don't have a bank security box. I keep all my gold and silver at home"

Nice public internet invitation for a home invasion robbery at Casa del Mamboni.

:o


Apparently, you never heard about my boating accident. ;D

[Twisted Titan]

I was there to take pics

The insurance company wouldnt pay the claim unless there was proof

[Santa]

A less-detailed version of the same story, still involving secret memos, was on the old GIM about 4 years ago.

Not that I'd keep my gold or guns or porno in a safe deposit box anyway.


I remember the same thing. Sometime back in 2007 or thereabouts.

There was also a news story about a big sting operation that confiscated many boxes.
They do these things in dribs and drabs. I doubt they'd go balls out and confiscate nationwide, unless they planned on following up with armored convoys.

I think the Feds have been able to do this shit for years, even before the patriot bs using the Rico Act... I'm too lazy to look it up so don't quote me though.

[Ponce]

Of course it's a what if/common sense exercise but that's common knowledge here, NOT your special freakin' secret. "WARNING, WARNING, WARNING Will Robinson!!" WTF kind of header for an OP is that? So, this deserves a "WARNING"? I thought there were troops on your front porch demanding TP.


If the was the case I then would not be here to type anything because I would be dead........give me my toilet paper or give me death.

[Libertytree]

Of course it's a what if/common sense exercise but that's common knowledge here, NOT your special freakin' secret. "WARNING, WARNING, WARNING Will Robinson!!" WTF kind of header for an OP is that? So, this deserves a "WARNING"? I thought there were troops on your front porch demanding TP.


If the was the case I then would not be here to type anything because I would be dead........give me my toilet paper or give me death.


You might have well posted that they were on you front porch wanting TP as to make a post saying "WARNING, WARNING". Just old bullshit that we already know. Oh, I forgot the great soothsayer has spoken and we should all stand in reverence, LMFAO.

[Ponce]

You will listen only if your ears are clean......in your case you can only read :oo-->

By the way........in the UK two years ago they closed two banks and place guards all aroung them, went in the bank and oppened every single "bank box" and took everything out, the owners had to go one by one to the governnment and tell then the why of what ever in the boxes.

[Libertytree]

You will listen only if your ears are clean......in your case you can only read :oo-->

By the way........in the UK two years ago they closed two banks and place guards all aroung them, went in the bank and oppened every single "bank box" and took everything out, the owners had to go one by one to the governnment and tell then the why of what ever in the boxes.


My ears are quite clean and not only can I read but I can think and write quite well on my own as well.

BTW, two years ago was two years ago and we discussed that then as being a harbinger for the future. IF any of us had anything in those boxes at the time I'd bet that they have been empty for quite awhile now.

[Ponce]

"harbigender".........new word for me, thanks.

[Book]

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Hot flash. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_flash)

[Ponce]

Hey Book? stop posting pictures of my immediate family........I'll tell them and they will come after you... and will you ever be sorry.

[willie pete]

I certainly wouldn't trust the banks, but this "memo" has been circulating for at least 5 years now

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

I keep my gold painted tungsten in those boxes.

You know, throw off their scent.

[Buddha]

What will happen when they raid mine?

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