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Twisted Titan
6th February 2011, 08:05 PM
Oh this is too rich............ I can wait till those fat cop pensions get the ax.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/03/nyregion/03pension.html?_r=2&hp


Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg proposed sweeping changes on Wednesday to New York’s costly pension system, seeking to save billions of dollars by fundamentally altering long-established rules that have awarded generous retirement benefits to municipal workers and have deepened the city’s financial hole.



In trying to control soaring pension costs, Mr. Bloomberg is taking aim at retirement rules considered sacrosanct by the city’s powerful municipal unions and their political allies.

The mayor wants to require most new municipal workers to work at least 10 years, or double the current amount, to qualify for a pension, and bar them from receiving pension checks until age 65. Now most nonuniformed workers, including teachers, can get pension checks at age 57, and some police officers and firefighters can receive full pension checks after working 20 years, no matter their age.

New employees would also need to contribute more of their own money to their retirement accounts, according to the plan.

And Mr. Bloomberg would forbid all new employees to benefit from a time-honored practice: adding hundreds of hours of overtime at the end of their careers to balloon their final year’s pay and their pensions.

The mayor did not spare current retirees, vowing to eliminate a $12,000 annual stipend that retired police officers and firefighters get on top of their regular pension benefits.

“This reflects the dire fiscal circumstances the city faces, the devastating impact of increasing pension costs and the desperate need for aggressive reforms,” said Marc La Vorgna, a mayoral spokesman.

The mayor’s pension proposal — coming one day after a shrunken state budget from the new governor, Andrew M. Cuomo, with similar tough talk — represents a clear bid to capitalize on growing concerns about pension costs and rising anti-union sentiments, even among traditional labor allies.

Public pensions are being tightened in other states across the country where government employees, as in New York, receive far more generous retirement benefits than most private employees; many companies are eliminating pensions altogether.

But Mr. Bloomberg’s proposal also represents a departure from his own past practices. His administration has been responsible for a significant portion of the growth in city pension costs, offering generous pension sweeteners during contract negotiations and repeatedly missing opportunities to rein in spending.

Indeed, pension costs are now projected to eat up one of every eight city dollars next year, in contrast to 1 in 28 when he took office in 2002.

Mr. Bloomberg’s package could help the city save at least $200 million a year immediately, and billions of dollars more in the future. But his proposal faces a potentially major obstacle because any changes in the city’s pension system must be approved by the Legislature and the governor.

The mayor has potential allies in Mr. Cuomo and the new Senate majority leader, Dean G. Skelos, a Republican. But Sheldon Silver, the Assembly speaker, will most likely be the wild card.

A spokeswoman for Mr. Silver did not respond to an e-mail seeking comment. But one person close to Mr. Silver said it was quite possible that the speaker would support several proposals, if not the entire package, including the move to stop counting overtime for pension payments, and requiring employees to contribute more of their own money.

“Shelly is a realist about this, and clearly there is a movement to do something about the pension system,” said this person, who insisted on anonymity so as not to jeopardize relations with Democratic lawmakers in Albany.

A spokesman for Mr. Cuomo, meanwhile, offered words of encouragement.

“As the governor has said since the beginning of his campaign, he is committed to reforming the pension system in order to reduce costs,” the spokesman, Josh Vlasto, said. “We have discussed the mayor’s pension reform proposal with his staff and are reviewing the details.”

But one union official was irate after listening to Mr. Bloomberg’s proposal.

The official, Harry Nespoli, chairman of the Municipal Labor Committee, an umbrella group of unions, said that Mr. Bloomberg had become “a dictator” and that “the mayor has set back labor relations 40 years.”

Not long ago, Mr. Bloomberg was viewed as a reliable ally of labor. He offered generous salary increases in contract negotiations, and spoke with pride about the city’s municipal work force, which is now about 300,000. In 2008, as part of a merit-pay agreement with the teachers’ union, the Bloomberg administration shepherded a pension package through Albany that allowed teachers to retire five years earlier than before, but with full pension benefits.

And in late 2008, just as the financial crisis began to explode, Mr. Bloomberg granted 4 percent raises for two consecutive years to the city’s largest municipal workers’ union, District Council 37, without extracting support for pension givebacks.

Mr. Bloomberg’s assiduous courting of labor paid political dividends: after getting virtually no labor support in his first campaign in 2001, he picked up dozens of union endorsements in his third-term victory in 2009.

But in recent years, Mr. Bloomberg has talked increasingly about the dangers of rising pension and health care benefits. And in his State of the City address, he vowed to make pension reform his top priority in Albany, and promised not to sign a contract with salary increases unless accompanied by reforms in benefit packages.

Twisted Titan
6th February 2011, 08:07 PM
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg is in a bed of his own making. When he took office in 2002 pension costs took 1 out of 28 revenue dollars. Today the cost is 1 out of eight dollars.

This is what happens when you buy union votes to get elected. Now Bloomberg is scrambling to undo the damage he caused, and the unions are not happy about it at all.

Twisted Titan
6th February 2011, 08:10 PM
And not to be outdone............


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-02/governors-reducing-pension-benefits-may-be-thwarted-as-workers-sue-states.html



Christie Says ‘Sue Me’ as Pensioners Challenge Cuts

New Jersey Governor Chris Christie said he doesn’t mind breaking promises to pensioners to close a $10.5 billion budget deficit -- even if they sue.

“I have bigger issues than who sues me,” said Christie, 48, a Republican and former federal prosecutor who wants to end cost-of-living increases for retirees. “Get in line.”

Public workers in Colorado, South Dakota and Minnesota are already suing their states, which are among 18 that want to pare pension costs by increasing employee contributions, raising the retirement age or curbing cost-of-living increases.

“We believe it’s unconstitutional,” said Gary Justus, 63, a retired mathematics teacher in the Denver public schools who’s a plaintiff in the Colorado suit. “These are contracts that I and 100,000 other retirees worked for.”

U.S. cities, counties and states face a $3.6 trillion gap between their pension assets and what they’ve promised retirees, according to a study by Robert Novy-Marx of the University of Rochester and Joshua Rauh at Northwestern University. States must also contend with $140 billion of budget deficits next fiscal year, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a Washington research group.

Pressured to cut spending and not raise taxes, public officials are focusing on pensions, said Ron Snell, senior fellow at the National Conference of State Legislatures. State plans cover 24 million active and retired workers, according to the Denver-based organization, about 8 percent of the U.S. population of 309 million in 2010.

Out of Proportion

Christie, saying New Jersey’s retirement benefits are “wildly out of proportion with the private sector,” proposed eliminating automatic cost-of-living increases last year. The state has also stopped paying into its pensions.

Illinois lawmakers lowered retirement benefits for new workers last year. The state will borrow $3.7 billion this month for its fiscal 2011 contribution, the second consecutive year it sold bonds to make payments.

States exhausted “more palatable” actions such as cutting staff and expenses, Fitch Ratings said Jan. 25 in a report that gave a negative outlook to the state-debt sector. They face the “most difficult” fiscal year since the U.S. recession began in December 2007, Fitch said, as federal stimulus payments end.

The strain of funding pensions intensified as markets fell during the 18-month economic contraction, the longest since the 43-month slump of the Great Depression, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research. Asset values fell to about 76 percent of obligations in 2009 from about 82 percent in fiscal 2008, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

Least-Sound System

Illinois has the least-sound system, with a funded ratio of about 51 percent, followed by Oklahoma and Kentucky, according to the Bloomberg data. Missouri, Oregon and Arkansas are in the middle with about 80 percent, a ratio considered adequate by actuaries.

The “rapid” growth of unfunded obligations prompted Moody’s Investors Service to issue a combined measurement of states’ debt and pension liabilities for the first time on Jan. 27 so investors can compare them with companies. Pressure to fund retirements will continue to have a “negative impact” on state credit ratings, Moody’s said.

The Novy-Marx and Rauh study puts unfunded pension liabilities for states alone at $3 trillion. It’s higher than the $1 trillion projected a year ago by the Pew Center on the States. The authors say governments understate liabilities because of over-optimistic assumed investment returns.

Bankruptcy Proposal

Former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a Republican and potential 2012 presidential candidate, has proposed allowing states to restructure their finances in bankruptcy-like proceedings giving them more leverage in bargaining with employees over wages and pensions.

More than 20 states considered changes to pension plans last year, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

“Too many proposals to count” have been introduced so far in 2011, said Snell, the National Conference of State Legislatures’ pension expert. Lawmakers in at least a dozen states, including California, New York and Ohio, have “serious” proposals, he said.

Florida Republican Governor Rick Scott, facing a $3.6 billion deficit, said yesterday that state employees should contribute to their pensions. New Jersey Senate President Stephen Sweeney, a Democrat, said on Jan. 31 that he’ll introduce legislation that goes beyond Governor Christie’s in trimming benefits.

Real Savings

“We’re looking at a year of trying to make widespread and significant changes,” said Snell. “Some of these can provide real savings, if they can be done.”

Some states may switch from plans that provide specific benefits to so-called defined-contribution systems, which are like 401(k) plans used at companies. Three states -- Alaska, Nebraska and Michigan -- have required them, and Utah will beginning July 1. Six make them optional.

New Jersey’s Christie said in an interview that taking away cost-of-living increases for retirees would break a promise. It’s necessary, he said, because the state’s pension system is $46 billion short of funds.

“There is no alternative,” he said at Bloomberg’s New York headquarters on Jan. 25. Previous officials “knew when they promised it they couldn’t afford it.”

Missed Contributions

Christie’s statements don’t sit well with Steve Baker, a spokesman for the New Jersey Education Association, whose 200,000 members are covered by the state pension. He said the state failed to make contributions to its pension funds in 13 of the past 17 years, including two under the current governor.

“All his tough-guy, let-them-sue-me rhetoric fails to solve the problem,” said Baker. “Until the governor wants to sit down with all the parties and come up with a solution that solves the problem, the governor isn’t doing his job.”

The lawsuits filed in Colorado, Minnesota and South Dakota challenge changes in cost-of-living adjustments, according to court documents.

Colorado eliminated annual increases of at least 3 percent, according to court records. Justus, the retired Denver teacher, said losing the adjustments would erode his purchasing power by 35 percent over 30 years. He estimates it would cost all Colorado workers in the plan $40 billion.

Setting Precedent

“What allows the state to abrogate that contract?” said Justus, who lives in Evergreen, Colorado. “If it’s allowed to stand, it will set an incredible precedent for the state to cut benefits again.”

Colorado’s cuts, which included higher participant contributions and an increased retirement age, were in the public interest after investment losses in 2008, said Gregory Smith, general counsel for the Public Employees’ Retirement Association, known as PERA.

“The legislation was passed to keep the fund from running out of money,” Smith said in via telephone. “We had to reduce the payouts by the fund immediately.”

Joe Kafka, a spokesman for South Dakota Governor Mike Rounds, declined to comment on the lawsuit. Attorney General Marty Jackley’s spokeswoman, Sara Rabern, declined to comment. Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton’s spokesman, Jeremy Drucker, didn’t return a phone call and e-mail seeking comment.

No Rulings Yet

None of the three lawsuits has been ruled on and there is little precedent for some of the proposed pension changes, said Amy Monahan, a professor at the University of Minnesota Law School in Minneapolis, who studies the legality of changing pension benefits.

“A lot of states are flying blind because there aren’t a lot of cases,” said Monahan. “There is so much legal uncertainty about what is permitted.”

California and Illinois have constitutions that make it difficult to change benefits, said Monahan. Others, such as Maine and Connecticut, have fewer legal constraints, she said.

Courts have found that pensions are a property right, said Stephen Pincus, an attorney with Stember Feinstein Doyle & Payne in Pittsburgh, who brought the three lawsuits. The key to whether existing benefits can be cut will be language that determines if a pension is a legal contract and when the agreement becomes property, he said.

A state may be able to change the law if there is a “real substantial likelihood the government cutting is on the edge of financial ruin,” according to Pincus.

“The state has the power to protect its citizens,” said Monahan. “If your fiscal situation looks dire, you could do it to stay solvent.”

States shouldn’t be allowed to make pension cuts a priority over other liabilities, said Pincus.

“It’s our position that a state can’t pick and choose obligations it doesn’t want to pay,” said Pincus. “Are you going to creditors and saying you can’t pay your 30-year bonds?”

The cases are: Gary R. Justus et el v. State of Colorado et el, 2010CV1589, District Court, Denver County, Colorado; Howard Swanson et el v. State of Minnesota et el, 62-CV-lO-5285, Second Judicial District, Ramsey County, Minnesota; Merton B. Tice Jr. et el v. State of South Dakota et el, Civ No. 10-225, Sixth Judicial Circuit, Hughes County, South Dakota

Twisted Titan
6th February 2011, 08:14 PM
New Jersey Governor Chris Christie said he doesn’t mind breaking promises to pensioners to close a $10.5 billion budget deficit -- even if they sue.

“I have bigger issues than who sues me,” said Christie, 48, a Republican and former federal prosecutor who wants to end cost-of-living increases for retirees. “Get in line.”


See how shyt works when you hold your wealth in paper???

See how hard the lesson is when you understand what counterparty risk means???

See why you must hold physical silver and gold at all times???

ShortJohnSilver
6th February 2011, 09:44 PM
New Jersey Governor Chris Christie said he doesn’t mind breaking promises to pensioners to close a $10.5 billion budget deficit -- even if they sue.

“I have bigger issues than who sues me,” said Christie, 48, a Republican and former federal prosecutor who wants to end cost-of-living increases for retirees. “Get in line.”


See how shyt works when you hold your wealth in paper???

See how hard the lesson is when you understand what counterparty risk means???

See why you must hold physical silver and gold at all times???


"Get in line" is what will happen to :

NJ govt retirees
NY and NYC govt retirees
all other states' govt retirees
Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
SNAP (food stamp) recipients

etc. etc.

Funny, no one with preps or PMs will be in that line ...

Still Barbaro
6th February 2011, 09:46 PM
The reduced pensions (or not paying them) will be a topic in other areas of the nation in the future. Some steps even more drastic, IMO.



Indeed, pension costs are now projected to eat up one of every eight city dollars next year, in contrast to 1 in 28 when he took office in 2002.

Now $1 out of every $8 dollar? This is now. Just wait.

As for Christie, he's doing what needs to be done. I respect his position. TT notes that most folks have all of the wealth and expected investments in paper. S.O.L.

Cobalt
6th February 2011, 10:10 PM
So Bloomberg wants to shut off pensions until you reach 65.

What are you going to do with a police and fire force where you have a large percentage of old timers because they certainly aren't going to be able to afford to retire without the pension.
If you start kicking them to the curb you are going to have a hard time getting any new hires and if you keep them on until 65 you are going too have to hire more in order to get the job done

willie pete
6th February 2011, 11:54 PM
I have an idea....bloomberg can just finance it himself every year, ...he's worth $18b....his revenues probably cover the cost of the city workers retirement plan every year....his $18b principle would never be touched.. :D ...and I think I heard a story that he (bloomie) was gonna follow in step with buffett and gates and "donate" the majority of his fortune anyway...

Silver Shield
7th February 2011, 04:28 AM
Just rearranging deck chair on the titanic.

I say the best way to kill the system is to accelerate the system.

No more half assed reforms.

Twisted Titan
7th February 2011, 06:45 AM
New Jersey Governor Chris Christie said he doesn’t mind breaking promises to pensioners to close a $10.5 billion budget deficit -- even if they sue.

“I have bigger issues than who sues me,” said Christie, 48, a Republican and former federal prosecutor who wants to end cost-of-living increases for retirees. “Get in line.”


See how shyt works when you hold your wealth in paper???

See how hard the lesson is when you understand what counterparty risk means???

See why you must hold physical silver and gold at all times???


"Get in line" is what will happen to :

NJ govt retirees
NY and NYC govt retirees
all other states' govt retirees
Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
SNAP (food stamp) recipients

etc. etc.

Funny, no one with preps or PMs will be in that line ...




Maybe for the purposes of blending in with the masses as not to direct attention to enormous bounty they have under their direct control.


T