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Ares
8th February 2011, 08:10 PM
US diplomat convinced by Saudi expert that reserves of world's biggest oil exporter have been overstated by nearly 40%

he US fears that Saudi Arabia, the world's largest crude oil exporter, may not have enough reserves to prevent oil prices escalating, confidential cables from its embassy in Riyadh show.

The cables, released by WikiLeaks, urge Washington to take seriously a warning from a senior Saudi government oil executive that the kingdom's crude oil reserves may have been overstated by as much as 300bn barrels – nearly 40%.

The revelation comes as the oil price has soared in recent weeks to more than $100 a barrel on global demand and tensions in the Middle East. Many analysts expect that the Saudis and their Opec cartel partners would pump more oil if rising prices threatened to choke off demand.

However, Sadad al-Husseini, a geologist and former head of exploration at the Saudi oil monopoly Aramco, met the US consul general in Riyadh in November 2007 and told the US diplomat that Aramco's 12.5m barrel-a-day capacity needed to keep a lid on prices could not be reached.

According to the cables, which date between 2007-09, Husseini said Saudi Arabia might reach an output of 12m barrels a day in 10 years but before then – possibly as early as 2012 – global oil production would have hit its highest point. This crunch point is known as "peak oil".

Husseini said that at that point Aramco would not be able to stop the rise of global oil prices because the Saudi energy industry had overstated its recoverable reserves to spur foreign investment. He argued that Aramco had badly underestimated the time needed to bring new oil on tap.

One cable said: "According to al-Husseini, the crux of the issue is twofold. First, it is possible that Saudi reserves are not as bountiful as sometimes described, and the timeline for their production not as unrestrained as Aramco and energy optimists would like to portray."

It went on: "In a presentation, Abdallah al-Saif, current Aramco senior vice-president for exploration, reported that Aramco has 716bn barrels of total reserves, of which 51% are recoverable, and that in 20 years Aramco will have 900bn barrels of reserves.

"Al-Husseini disagrees with this analysis, believing Aramco's reserves are overstated by as much as 300bn barrels. In his view once 50% of original proven reserves has been reached … a steady output in decline will ensue and no amount of effort will be able to stop it. He believes that what will result is a plateau in total output that will last approximately 15 years followed by decreasing output."

The US consul then told Washington: "While al-Husseini fundamentally contradicts the Aramco company line, he is no doomsday theorist. His pedigree, experience and outlook demand that his predictions be thoughtfully considered."

Seven months later, the US embassy in Riyadh went further in two more cables. "Our mission now questions how much the Saudis can now substantively influence the crude markets over the long term. Clearly they can drive prices up, but we question whether they any longer have the power to drive prices down for a prolonged period."

A fourth cable, in October 2009, claimed that escalating electricity demand by Saudi Arabia may further constrain Saudi oil exports. "Demand [for electricity] is expected to grow 10% a year over the next decade as a result of population and economic growth. As a result it will need to double its generation capacity to 68,000MW in 2018," it said.

It also reported major project delays and accidents as "evidence that the Saudi Aramco is having to run harder to stay in place – to replace the decline in existing production." While fears of premature "peak oil" and Saudi production problems had been expressed before, no US official has come close to saying this in public.

In the last two years, other senior energy analysts have backed Husseini. Fatih Birol, chief economist to the International Energy Agency, told the Guardian last year that conventional crude output could plateau in 2020, a development that was "not good news" for a world still heavily dependent on petroleum.

Jeremy Leggett, convenor of the UK Industry Taskforce on Peak Oil and Energy Security, said: "We are asleep at the wheel here: choosing to ignore a threat to the global economy that is quite as bad as the credit crunch, quite possibly worse."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/feb/08/saudi-oil-reserves-overstated-wikileaks

RJB
8th February 2011, 08:17 PM
I apologize for preaching to the chior, but this is why wikileaks is FOS. The prices have less to do with lowered oil supply but rather raised dollar supply.

Still Barbaro
8th February 2011, 09:01 PM
Wikileaks only reveals the communications between diplomats and other official.

Does a diplomats belief in a possibility mean Peak Oil Theory is completely true? No.

But we do not that the Saudi Oil Ministry is very secretive about the amount of oil reserves it has. Worldwide oil production peaked in 2005, correct?

As for the Peak Oil Theory debate, I obviously don't have as much info as the industry Execs and Geologists.

Admitting this, I believe it to be true. The days of easy and cheap sweet crude are over.

Then there is Lindsey Williams who claims Peak Oil Theory is bunk, and that Alaska has a lot more than it claims to have.

Time will tell.

banjo
9th February 2011, 08:47 AM
"Reston, VA - North Dakota and Montana have an estimated 3.0 to 4.3 billion barrels of undiscovered, technically recoverable oil in an area known as the Bakken Formation."


http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911

mick silver
9th February 2011, 09:06 AM
but banjo that oil not for me and you ...

MNeagle
9th February 2011, 09:07 AM
Really Mick? Where's it going?

mick silver
9th February 2011, 09:09 AM
if it was for us all to used then why are we not drilling for it .

MNeagle
9th February 2011, 09:17 AM
But we ARE drilling it. There's been a huge hiring boom in North Dakota just for those oil fields.

http://www.oiljobfinder.com/north_dakota_oil_jobs.php

Hatha Sunahara
9th February 2011, 12:02 PM
The price of oil has nothing to do with supply and demand.

There are a small number of big oil companies who know more about the supply of oil than they are talking about, and who provide all the data about demand because they sell it. All the information the public gets, and believes comes from the oil companies themselves. Would it be in their interest to tell us anything but that there is a shortage of oil?

I have read recently a book called The Deep Hot Biosphere by Thomas Gold. I have been persuaded that the supply of oil in the ground is astronomically larger than all the oil company guesses about their 'reserves'. We are not running out of oil A good part of the mantle of the earth consists of oil, and what we use is what seeps up through escape paths in the crust. Saying there is a shortage of oil is like saying that volcanos are running out of lava. All arguments about the supply of oil should be scrutinized for the validity of the ASSUMPTIONS made. This is one factor that would dismiss any connection of the price of oil and supply and demand. The price of oil is what we are willing to pay for it. Period.

The problem we are faced with now is the departure of our money system from any semblance of reality. If Saudi Arabia can't pump enough oil to stabilize the price, then this is a demonstration of how far the money system has deviated from reality. The problem of the oil price is the availability of too much money. Bernanke's helicopters have delivered too much money to the wrong people. And too little money to the people who work for a living. The people who got too much money want to invest it and get huge returns, so they started bidding up the price of commodities including oil, but selling short gold.

We don't have shortages of anything but money in the hands of the right people. It's because we don't have free markets. Or an honest money system. They don't exist in fascist economies.

Hatha

keehah
9th February 2011, 12:10 PM
We are not running out of oil
I agree.
But Peak Oil is a separate issue.

Hatha Sunahara
9th February 2011, 12:43 PM
What we are willing to pay for oil depends on what we believe.

We know very little about the supply. We know a lot about demand. All the information about both supply and demand comes from a handful of oil companies. They want us to believe oil is in short supply. And they raise their prices to reinforce this belief. The truth is that nobody knows how much oil is in the ground. If all of us believed that the mantle of the earth was 50% petroleum trying to bubble up through the crust would we be willing to pay a very high price for oil? No. But if we are brainwashed by a propaganda campaign of the oil companies (owned by the bankers) to believe that 'demand will outstrip supply' in 2005, we're much more likely to fork over more of the value of our labor for it. But it's not supply and demand now that is driving the price of oil.

It's the money supply that is driving the prices of all commodities (except gold which is the real money, and whose price needs to be suppressed for this whole scam to work). Everybody who produces commodities are starting to withhold them for sale in anticipation of higher prices. China is stockpiling its cotton to drive prices higher. Sounds like Saudi Arabia is trying to do the same with their oil. They shouldn't use the supply and demand argument to do this. But it's not correct to justify price increases any other way because it will shatter the myth of 'free markets'.

Two things they want us to believe exist. Free Markets and Democracy. Who could be against Free Markets and Democracy? I am. It's becasue what TPTB call free markets is really a fascist planned economy (planned by private corporations trying to maximize profits) and what they call democracy is vulture capitalism.


Hatha

Large Sarge
9th February 2011, 12:53 PM
wikilieaks is like a new intelligence agency (seriously)

it has enough dirt and intel to be credible.

aside from covering up Israels crimes, I am not sure what the end game is.

Mubarak was a good stooge as far as I can tell, and yet they are saying wikileaks is bringing him down

Same with good old whore-dog berlusconi from Italy, guy was kept rolling in the women, as long as he followed the script.

So what is the end game for wikileaks? I do not buy they are legit (9/11 is ignored for example)
there is more oil in N. Dakota than S Arabia, so who cares if they cannot pump it, let us drill here.....

Anyway none of the wikileaks thing adds up, and the moves are very strange IMO

DMac
9th February 2011, 12:59 PM
wikilieaks is like a new intelligence agency (seriously)

it has enough dirt and intel to be credible.

aside from covering up Israels crimes, I am not sure what the end game is.

Mubarak was a good stooge as far as I can tell, and yet they are saying wikileaks is bringing him down

Same with good old whore-dog berlusconi from Italy, guy was kept rolling in the women, as long as he followed the script.

So what is the end game for wikileaks? I do not buy they are legit (9/11 is ignored for example)
there is more oil in N. Dakota than S Arabia, so who cares if they cannot pump it, let us drill here.....

Anyway none of the wikileaks thing adds up, and the moves are very strange IMO




I think they are one of several 'moving parts' required to get us into the next ME war (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/the-aljazeera-palestine-and-israeli-deception/msg181623/#msg181623).

The ousting of Mubarak is going to have tremendous repercussions, IMO.

Silver Shield
9th February 2011, 03:47 PM
I apologize for preaching to the chior, but this is why wikileaks is FOS. The prices have less to do with lowered oil supply but rather raised dollar supply.


I pointed this out in my article...

http://dont-tread-on.me/and-now-for-my-next-magic-trick-no-inflation

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osoab
9th February 2011, 03:51 PM
http://www.finviz.com/fut_chart.ashx?t=CL&cot=067651&p=m5

Crude didn't really seem to mind the news.