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iOWNme
9th February 2011, 07:00 PM
"Thats what Governments do. Its the Governments Job to redistribute Wealth to make sure Capitalism works for everybody......If we had no redistribution of wealth we would be back before the Magna Carta....."

-Howard Dean

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-NxDFGFhIY&feature=player_embedded


In the shocking video you are about to watch, Howard Dean declares that it is the job of the government to redistribute our wealth. Not only that, he says it in such a way that indicates that he believes that such a notion should be obvious to anyone with half a brain. Well, while it is true that the United States has become a highly socialized nation, the reality is that this is not what the founding fathers intended. The founders intended for us to live in a land where we would have enough freedom and enough liberty to be able to work hard and enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. They did not intend for a gigantic federal government to take huge amounts of money from one group of people and give it to another group of people. In any nation where a large scale redistribution of wealth is happening, the incentive to work goes right out the window. Pretty soon you end up with an entire class of people that have learned how to "make a living" by being a parasite of the government, and that is not good for any economy. (Read More....)

kregener
9th February 2011, 07:28 PM
Good GRIEF!!!

Dean is a complete statist asshat.

osoab
9th February 2011, 07:34 PM
Good GRIEF!!!

Dean is a complete statist asshat.


99% of our "leaders" names could be added in front of the highlighted.

TheNocturnalEgyptian
9th February 2011, 07:40 PM
I'd say this guy needs to go back to 2nd grade and learn the basics, unfortunately the basics aren't taught in school at all. 12 years of mandatory education and not one breath is wasted on the creation of money, the nature of credit, or the true legal position/status of the government.

madfranks
9th February 2011, 07:52 PM
This video is proof that capitalism does not mean "free enterprise" to most of the people who use that term.

jimswift
9th February 2011, 09:28 PM
That POS would do good to go get a real job and get off the handouts himself.

He may change his perspective if he actually had to find honest work in order to get what he has.

Which I can tell would be a lot less with his skill set.

Twisted Titan
9th February 2011, 09:34 PM
Jesus H Christ

I am totally embarrased to say this

But I campagined for this man.......like hard.

I wrote letters, had placards and even put a bumper sticker on my car.

That was when I was still under the strong illusion that voting ment something.

He didnt make the cut for cannidate but he was elected to the top of the DNC.

I watched this man slowy transform in what he always was.

A Socialist Bastard Masquerading like a populist canidate

I saw this prick offer up excuse after excuse for every out of control measure passed by the Democraps

It even got so bad they only thing he could say was ......if you think we did a effed up job if you elect the republican it will get worse.

I will Never wasite my precious time in conventional politics again.

Im much to busy stocking Preps for my Family, Silver for my store of Wealth, and Guns so that I can defend it from people who think they have a right to "distribute"it

Twisted Titan
9th February 2011, 09:40 PM
“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.”

Thomas Jefferson

po boy
9th February 2011, 09:47 PM
“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.”

Thomas Jefferson




Sound like ole TJ was trying to tell us about private property rights.

Ponce
9th February 2011, 09:47 PM
If I had $1'000,000 and the government were to take it away from me and then give 100,000 to ten people I can assured you that in about one year I would have my money back once again..........remember, is not what you have but what you do with it.

To many here may think that I am RICH but I am not...........but.......I do take care of the little that I have and know how to managed it................................................ ...but.......................when silver reaches even $100.00 I then YES would be very rich.................................but.......... ............. a gallon of milk would cost $25.00 so that in a way I would have exactly what I have now.....in other words, I am not making money but preserving what I now do have..

Orion
9th February 2011, 11:02 PM
I recall a saying by Lenin whereby he advocated killing the middle class through inflation and taxation. Both are needed to put their wealth at the disposal of the regime.

Low_five
10th February 2011, 12:33 AM
What he said made sense to me. The only thing government can do is take away wealth and spend it.. on fire stations, roads, food stamps etc.

chad
10th February 2011, 05:25 AM
If I had $1'000,000 and the government were to take it away from me and then give 100,000 to ten people I can assured you that in about one year I would have my money back once again..........remember, is not what you have but what you do with it.

To many here may think that I am RICH but I am not...........but.......I do take care of the little that I have and know how to managed it................................................ ...but.......................when silver reaches even $100.00 I then YES would be very rich.................................but.......... ............. a gallon of milk would cost $25.00 so that in a way I would have exactly what I have now.....in other words, I am not making money but preserving what I now do have..


i've often said this same thing ponce.

you could take all of the money away from everyone tomorrow, dole it all out equally, and in 2 or 3 years the rich people would all be rich again, and the poor people would all be poor again.

some people just understand things, and some people just don't.

Twisted Titan
10th February 2011, 05:47 AM
That is why They had Jubilee.

Even though all debts were forgiven.... The slave still found himself a slave yet again at the end of the next 7 years.

Thy thought it was free ride....meanwhile the owners saw it as a way to keep the game going.


T

hoarder
10th February 2011, 07:12 AM
A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
George Bernard Shaw

Ash_Williams
10th February 2011, 10:49 AM
I've often said this same thing ponce.

you could take all of the money away from everyone tomorrow, dole it all out equally, and in 2 or 3 years the rich people would all be rich again, and the poor people would all be poor again.

some people just understand things, and some people just don't.

I suspect the poor would be even worse off, the way lottery winners often lose everything including what they had before winning.

I'd be richer in no time, I'd just set up business that delivers booze after-hours at a rate of $100 per case of beer. I'd also go door to door with a truck offering to take their old stuff "at no charge", so they could get it out of the way and upgrade their appliances and furniture and vehicles and so on.

Most of the poor have no capacity to plan ahead and also lack impulse control. That's why they're poor.

Panoptimist
10th February 2011, 10:51 AM
Wait, why was the U.S. Constitution written up in the first place? What was REALLY wrong with the AoC? What happened to the Anti-Federalists? What was their argument?

Government? The one that governs least, best not at all. Careful though, Thoreau was an illuminati member and complete scoundrel. How long did he stay in the woods? A couple of weeks before he would have ended up like that dipshit who died in the back of a bus?

Ponce
10th February 2011, 01:47 PM
There is a wide difference between using money and being used by money.

Gaillo
10th February 2011, 02:35 PM
I would argue that it's the government's (only) job to actively STOP those who seek to "redistibute" wealth.

Of course, reality is the complete opposite of this ideal. ALL governments in this modern era are kleptocracies - coercive plunder machines for the corrupt corporate world empire.

Panoptimist
10th February 2011, 02:40 PM
Wait, why was the U.S. Constitution written up in the first place? What was REALLY wrong with the AoC? What happened to the Anti-Federalists? What was their argument?
The Articles could not handle territories. Each state individually could have taken on new territories but collectively the group could not. Virginia had a huge block of land (up to Wisconsin and Michigan) that got split off, creating a need for the Northwest Ordinance (under the Articles but for the United States) to control a group territory under ALL states.

The U.S. constitution is written for TERRITORIAL control. Your mis-perception if you believe it controls within one of the several States.

As to the federalists and anti-federalists, the anti-federalists came on the scene late and their name was already taken. The anti-federalists were actually federalists while the federalists are actually nationalists.


That's a hell of a box you're stuck in. And it's preventing you from grasping the reality of the situation.

The point is exactly that the Federalists (spelled with a J) wanted to dominate as much space and people possible from a small, central location.

You've missed my point and fell into same old trap of spouting rhetoric fed to sheep.

Panoptimist
10th February 2011, 02:43 PM
Russian, Greek, French, German, Polish, Irish, etc. nationalism is the antithesis to "American nationalism."

What is an American? One raised not by culture but by capitalism? Georgia and California may as well be separate countries.

Low_five
10th February 2011, 04:07 PM
I would argue that it's the government's (only) job to actively STOP those who seek to "redistibute" wealth.

Of course, reality is the complete opposite of this ideal. ALL governments in this modern era are kleptocracies - coercive plunder machines for the corrupt corporate world empire.


They would have to redistribute wealth in order to sustain the act of opposing the redistribution of wealth.

Gaillo
10th February 2011, 05:31 PM
I would argue that it's the government's (only) job to actively STOP those who seek to "redistibute" wealth.

Of course, reality is the complete opposite of this ideal. ALL governments in this modern era are kleptocracies - coercive plunder machines for the corrupt corporate world empire.


They would have to redistribute wealth in order to sustain the act of opposing the redistribution of wealth.


Not necessarily. There are MANY ways that a properly operating government could be funded without resorting to taxation, property seizure, etc.

One way is voluntary contributions. Another is court costs for those using courts. Yet another is tarriffs on foreign trade.